Doubts about Hawkeyes

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Hi everybody, I’m thinking of doing an archer, but first I’ll like to solve a doubt, reading the information on the server apparently Sagittarius/Hawkeye with the snipe is a killing machine, and I want to know the values of the attributes of the chars:

Patack - with and without snipe
Atack Speed - with and without snipe
Critical - with and without snipe
If it is possible say the set you are using and the lvl of the snipe…

Thanks…….. a lot
:cool:
I dont know much about hawkeyes as i never got above lvl 15 on mine before i got bored and deleted it, lol, but from conversations i've read, overheard etc HE's are supposed to kick *** and be the biggest DD archer of all archers
Get your HE above 70 and you fall in love with it, Snipe is really only good for pve imo in small room or something. Cant log in right now to tell you my stats at 76.

Hi everybody, I’m thinking of doing an archer, but first I’ll like to solve a doubt, reading the information on the server apparently Sagittarius/Hawkeye with the snipe is a killing machine, and I want to know the values of the attributes of the chars:

Patack - with and without snipe
Atack Speed - with and without snipe
Critical - with and without snipe
If it is possible say the set you are using and the lvl of the snipe…

Thanks…….. a lot
:cool:




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Get your HE above 70 and you fall in love with it, Snipe is really only good for pve imo in small room or something. Cant log in right now to tell you my stats at 76.



I love my hawkeye already at level 41 8D

I've played almost every class in the game and the only ones i can even stand are HE/SWS/BD/Prophet

The new range on snipe is insane... Our hawkeyes have sniped when our enemies try to linehop... lol nukers and other archers cant even touch them

I dont know much about hawkeyes as i never got above lvl 15 on mine before i got bored and deleted it, lol, but from conversations i've read, overheard etc HE's are supposed to kick *** and be the biggest DD archer of all archers



best DD archer is pr, most damage done^^. (due to dead eye +20% crit dmg)

btw, <3<3<3 quiver of holding. BEST PASSIVE EVER.




yeah thats so true!! if you can carry 8k SS, 3k arrows, and all kinds of pots, VS only being able to carry 5K ss, and 2k arrows at 58 is really awesome.

dead eye lowers your atk speed to boost your atk power, crt power. not crt rate.

but geting a 1200 range on snipe is just sweet, but it's only good in sieges and catas or very few out side spots.. Like FoTD.
It's as simple as this: HE's Kick-A...

-Mekora, The Hawkeye In White
better enjoy your HE while you still can...
before the nerf bat hit it like they did on SH...


/me cry

:mad:
If you're just talking PvE DPS, where you really don't need the range, SRs look **** sick. ><;

But yeah, all archers are good.
I do so enjoy stunning the HE's that go the full -9 con ... thanks for makin it easier to kill you ... +++ like mages SPEED is power more then matk is ... a sps can hose a sh if he doesnt go all fancy and just speed nukes .
So who is the Fastest Shooting archer and there by who can deal out the most dpm when the poor HE is stunned .........

If you're just talking PvE DPS, where you really don't need the range, SRs look **** sick. ><;

But yeah, all archers are good.



Why? After Draconic, even a HE (lowest dex archer) can reach the crit rate cap. At which point, strength and passive crit damage make a high lvl HE far superior to the SR.
Since Phantom Ranger is my favourite class with Paladin so far, here's screen of PR from C4, imagine the P. Atk with Dead Eye.

SCREENSHOT (http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/2167/chang78prbzrz2.jpg)

About archers - well, it's hard to say, in C1 Hawkeye rolled everything, the same in C2, but within C3, then C4, and now, when in C5 PR got skill called Dead Eye and SR got Rapid Fire, they all can hurt, thought I don't like SR too much, however, here's what I can say about archers, 'cause I played 'em all.


Hawkeye;

Stats: Highest CP/HP (in form '...of all archers'), lowest MP, strong P. attack, but not strongest, regular P. Def, lowest accuracy, within Hawk Eye skill it's best but P. Def is getting dropped, fastest attack speed, good critical rate and power, low m. attack - but it's not needed for this class anyway, lowest M. Def, lowet speed, casting speed doesn't matter here, lowest Evasion.

Playstyle: ??? - that is my comment, Hawkeye is good because of the passive skills, but have nothing useful in active skills, all you have to do is get full buffs and spam attack/stun shot/potions - that's the reason I don't play Hawkeye anymore, it made me lose my minds spamming attack button whole day... that's sick!

Skills useful in PvP: Stun Shot, Double Shot and Hamstring Shot within Lethal Shot as 3rd profession skills, and NO! I'll not count Snipe as a good skill, 'cause it has a self-root effect, enemy can just run away from you or a tank/dagger can get very close to you and you can't do much when this happens.

I give Hawkeye note 5/10 - yes, it's a killing machine, but everyone can play it, even 3 years old brainless kid :o


Silver Ranger;

Stats: Medium CP/HP, high MP, lowest P. Attack, regular P. Def, best accuracy (if Hawkeye doesn't use Hawk eye skill), medium attack speed, best critical rate but weakest critical power, low M. Attack (comparing to Phantom Ranger), good M. Def, best speed, good casting speed, best Evasion.

Playstyle: SR puts his strength in agility - means he doesn't miss a lot, and he avoids enemy's attacks, also he's good class to catch guy who is running away.

Skills useful in PvP: Stun Shot, Double Shot, Hamstring Shot within Lethal Shot and Evade Shot (Hawkeye doesn't get it) as 3rd profession skills. PS. when fightning Sniped Hawkeye you can simply run out of his range and heal by Silver Ranger's self heal magic skill, then come back and smash the Hawkeye.

I give Silver Ranger note 7/10 - it is pretty good class, but I don't like side of light and virginity, also I don't like weak P. Attack of SR and how SR male looks.


Phantom Ranger;

Stats: Lowest CP/HP, high MP, highest P. Attack (incerases even more with Dead Eye), regular P. Def, medium accuracy (lowest if Hawkeye uses Hawk Eye skill), slowest attack speed, lowest critical rate and strongest critical hits power, strong M. Attack, good M. Def, medium speed, slow/medium casting speed, medium Evasion.

Playstyle: The point in PR life is get close enough to enemy, there are 2 ways to do it, one is stun and just come enough close, second is just run in... but the question is: what for? Well, PR as Dark Elven Archer have strong debuffs but they are at 600 range, what they do? Hex - decreases enemy's p. def by 30%, Power Break - decreases enemy's p. attack by 30%, Poison - Poisons enemy (at highest level of poison it's not cureable!), Freezing Strike - deals damage to enemy and makes it slow down, and last one (if we can count it as debuff) will be Drain Health - drain enemy's life/cp and transfom some % it to PR.

Useful skills in PvP: Stun Shot, Double Shot, Fatal Counter (PR is the only class to get Fatal Counter skill), Hamstring Shot within Lethal Shot and Evade Shot (Hawkeye doesn't get it) as 3rd profession skills. And the C5 skill is Dead Eye - decreases attack speed and increases p. attack and critical attack power, I've tested it on PTS on 75 PR (max level of Dead Eye) and critical power on one mob went from 3,800 to 5,000 - that's a huge difference in my opinion, it would be even over 6,500 with Hex skill landed! The attack speed loss is bad, yeah... but when you have Haste/Berserker Spirit/Dance of Fury/and CoV or PoF the attack speed is high enough anyway.

I give Phantom Ranger a note 10/10 - this is the class I love, comparing to Hawkeye it's not as powerful when both sides are fully buffed, but PR in good hands still kills a lot! I love how PR male looks, and I also love Hex skill, it makes my enemies beg for some extra p. def, but my critical attack doesn't let them beg for a long time, they have to click some small button To Village.


Hope my post will help you somehow with picking an archer that suits you, good luck.
Hawkeye doesn't have any good active skills?oO

Blessing+pain+snipe D8

best PvE archer, by far.


If you're just talking PvE DPS, where you really don't need the range, SRs look **** sick. ><;

But yeah, all archers are good.



Why? After Draconic, even a HE (lowest dex archer) can reach the crit rate cap. At which point, strength and passive crit damage make a high lvl HE far superior to the SR.



endgame pr can almost reach the crit cap as well. which means its not about crit rate anymore, only about how much dmg you can deal. and even with everything a HE has, a HE wont reach the dmg output of pr. i have screenshots of my pr critting mobs in IT for 14000-14500. a same lvl HE was doing about 12000 with about same setup and same buffs.

pure dmg wise, a pr is far superior.but yes, HE does have more con^^.
I like PR's, if I'd make an archer from scratch I'd make a PR, just seems like more fun and varied, even though Dead Eye lowers attack speed, which is very bad, I like huge crits :>

Extreme -11 CON Sagittarius without boss jewels :p

Stun is a [censored], but meh, my stun +6 is more of a [censored] =)

Sagittarius 77 (http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/8838/shot00060ci8.jpg)

I like PR's, if I'd make an archer from scratch I'd make a PR, just seems like more fun and varied, even though Dead Eye lowers attack speed, which is very bad, I like huge crits :>

Extreme -11 CON Sagittarius without boss jewels :p

Stun is a [censored], but meh, my stun +6 is more of a [censored] =)

Sagittarius 77 (http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/8838/shot00060ci8.jpg)



430 pvps...
i play a SR pretty long time and i have to admit atm its PR>SR=>HE. PR at lvl 75+ is a killing machine (until lvl 70 they suck tho), HE is not more powerful than a SR imo.



If you're just talking PvE DPS, where you really don't need the range, SRs look **** sick. ><;

But yeah, all archers are good.



Why? After Draconic, even a HE (lowest dex archer) can reach the crit rate cap. At which point, strength and passive crit damage make a high lvl HE far superior to the SR.



endgame pr can almost reach the crit cap as well. which means its not about crit rate anymore, only about how much dmg you can deal. and even with everything a HE has, a HE wont reach the dmg output of pr. i have screenshots of my pr critting mobs in IT for 14000-14500. a same lvl HE was doing about 12000 with about same setup and same buffs.

pure dmg wise, a pr is far superior.but yes, HE does have more con^^.



PR still dosent do more damage over time over a hawkeye, still may hit harder per hit, but def not over time.


I like PR's, if I'd make an archer from scratch I'd make a PR, just seems like more fun and varied, even though Dead Eye lowers attack speed, which is very bad, I like huge crits :>

Extreme -11 CON Sagittarius without boss jewels :p

Stun is a [censored], but meh, my stun +6 is more of a [censored] =)

Sagittarius 77 (http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/8838/shot00060ci8.jpg)



430 pvps...



I'm carebear :o

/careface

i play a SR pretty long time and i have to admit atm its PR>SR=>HE. PR at lvl 75+ is a killing machine (until lvl 70 they suck tho), HE is not more powerful than a SR imo.



Kinda disagree on the SR part. In my experience SR's run like little girls when a HE comes along, I rarely lose against SR's (freak crits/stuns). I often hamstring shot SR's so they can't run away from me and avoid death :P

However the SR is alot stronger when kiting is needed. Within 600 range they're very strong too, and can chain stun shot and dbl-shot faster than me, slightly faster.
i didnt say SR is better than HE, but imo HE is a lot weaker than a PR and not better than a SR. If someone wanna go Archer and doesn know anything about archer and how to play them they should go HE. It takes a lot more skill to play a SR or PR imo (kiting for example). HE just stands and shoots. Sometimes u win sometimes u lose. But as SR or PR it depends a lot more on your playing style.
You say SR runs when HE comes, but u forget that with this kiting i can kill tanks, for a HE its a lot harder to kill a tank. U will most likely lose 90% of ur pvps against tanks. A pr or sr when played well can kill tanks as well, even in c5.

U will most likely disagree again, but thats ok, many ppl rerolld HE when they heard they rule, but slowly but surely ppl will realize HE gonna get nerfed again next patch and u guys will reroll again lol.
Dunno about more skill to play elven archers. But I think it's true about HE's, many people that play HE's don't kite! Even if you're pretty slow as a HE, kiting saves lives, use dash >.< Else you might as well snipe, and that makes a [censored] archer! I have trouble against tank classes, it's more like 50/50 unless I have BD/SWS then it's easy, hamstring shot really boosted HE's against those classes.

IMO to play an archer isn't that hard at all, use your skills blah blah blah, it's more about tactics that makes you stand out. By that I mean how you move around, when you use certain skills, playing smart even though you're pretty much the most powerful PVP-char on the field, but there are many others just like you, so be careful ^^;

No I do not disagree with you, your 2nd post explained it better, each archer has certain advantages.


PS. I rerolled HE end of C1, when daggers were the craziest thing on the field, the HE craze hadn't even started yet (only whispers). I just liked the look better than PR. Draconic on Female fighter >> all! So I'm happy! :)




If you're just talking PvE DPS, where you really don't need the range, SRs look **** sick. ><;

But yeah, all archers are good.



Why? After Draconic, even a HE (lowest dex archer) can reach the crit rate cap. At which point, strength and passive crit damage make a high lvl HE far superior to the SR.



endgame pr can almost reach the crit cap as well. which means its not about crit rate anymore, only about how much dmg you can deal. and even with everything a HE has, a HE wont reach the dmg output of pr. i have screenshots of my pr critting mobs in IT for 14000-14500. a same lvl HE was doing about 12000 with about same setup and same buffs.

pure dmg wise, a pr is far superior.but yes, HE does have more con^^.



PR still dosent do more damage over time over a hawkeye, still may hit harder per hit, but def not over time.



wrong again. i wish there was a damage meter for Lineage2 too like in WoW so i could prove it.
kiting is hard? lol.
What are the stats on Dead Eye? I know 20% crit damage and about 200 patk, but how much does it decrease attack speed?

DPS between PR and HE must be close, as long as HEX isn't figured into the equation, then again HEX can come from any DE fighter.. I lean towards the HE because of superior accuracy.
stats on rapid shot are +80 atk speed and +100patk (for me)

Since Phantom Ranger is my favourite class with Paladin so far, here's screen of PR from C4, imagine the P. Atk with Dead Eye.

SCREENSHOT (http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/2167/chang78prbzrz2.jpg)

About archers - well, it's hard to say, in C1 Hawkeye rolled everything, the same in C2, but within C3, then C4, and now, when in C5 PR got skill called Dead Eye and SR got Rapid Fire, they all can hurt, thought I don't like SR too much, however, here's what I can say about archers, 'cause I played 'em all.


Hawkeye;

Stats: Highest CP/HP (in form '...of all archers'), lowest MP, strong P. attack, but not strongest, regular P. Def, lowest accuracy, within Hawk Eye skill it's best but P. Def is getting dropped, fastest attack speed, good critical rate and power, low m. attack - but it's not needed for this class anyway, lowest M. Def, lowet speed, casting speed doesn't matter here, lowest Evasion.

Playstyle: ??? - that is my comment, Hawkeye is good because of the passive skills, but have nothing useful in active skills, all you have to do is get full buffs and spam attack/stun shot/potions - that's the reason I don't play Hawkeye anymore, it made me lose my minds spamming attack button whole day... that's sick!

Skills useful in PvP: Stun Shot, Double Shot and Hamstring Shot within Lethal Shot as 3rd profession skills, and NO! I'll not count Snipe as a good skill, 'cause it has a self-root effect, enemy can just run away from you or a tank/dagger can get very close to you and you can't do much when this happens.

I give Hawkeye note 5/10 - yes, it's a killing machine, but everyone can play it, even 3 years old brainless kid :o


Silver Ranger;

Stats: Medium CP/HP, high MP, lowest P. Attack, regular P. Def, best accuracy (if Hawkeye doesn't use Hawk eye skill), medium attack speed, best critical rate but weakest critical power, low M. Attack (comparing to Phantom Ranger), good M. Def, best speed, good casting speed, best Evasion.

Playstyle: SR puts his strength in agility - means he doesn't miss a lot, and he avoids enemy's attacks, also he's good class to catch guy who is running away.

Skills useful in PvP: Stun Shot, Double Shot, Hamstring Shot within Lethal Shot and Evade Shot (Hawkeye doesn't get it) as 3rd profession skills. PS. when fightning Sniped Hawkeye you can simply run out of his range and heal by Silver Ranger's self heal magic skill, then come back and smash the Hawkeye.

I give Silver Ranger note 7/10 - it is pretty good class, but I don't like side of light and virginity, also I don't like weak P. Attack of SR and how SR male looks.


Phantom Ranger;

Stats: Lowest CP/HP, high MP, highest P. Attack (incerases even more with Dead Eye), regular P. Def, medium accuracy (lowest if Hawkeye uses Hawk Eye skill), slowest attack speed, lowest critical rate and strongest critical hits power, strong M. Attack, good M. Def, medium speed, slow/medium casting speed, medium Evasion.

Playstyle: The point in PR life is get close enough to enemy, there are 2 ways to do it, one is stun and just come enough close, second is just run in... but the question is: what for? Well, PR as Dark Elven Archer have strong debuffs but they are at 600 range, what they do? Hex - decreases enemy's p. def by 30%, Power Break - decreases enemy's p. attack by 30%, Poison - Poisons enemy (at highest level of poison it's not cureable!), Freezing Strike - deals damage to enemy and makes it slow down, and last one (if we can count it as debuff) will be Drain Health - drain enemy's life/cp and transfom some % it to PR.

Useful skills in PvP: Stun Shot, Double Shot, Fatal Counter (PR is the only class to get Fatal Counter skill), Hamstring Shot within Lethal Shot and Evade Shot (Hawkeye doesn't get it) as 3rd profession skills. And the C5 skill is Dead Eye - decreases attack speed and increases p. attack and critical attack power, I've tested it on PTS on 75 PR (max level of Dead Eye) and critical power on one mob went from 3,800 to 5,000 - that's a huge difference in my opinion, it would be even over 6,500 with Hex skill landed! The attack speed loss is bad, yeah... but when you have Haste/Berserker Spirit/Dance of Fury/and CoV or PoF the attack speed is high enough anyway.

I give Phantom Ranger a note 10/10 - this is the class I love, comparing to Hawkeye it's not as powerful when both sides are fully buffed, but PR in good hands still kills a lot! I love how PR male looks, and I also love Hex skill, it makes my enemies beg for some extra p. def, but my critical attack doesn't let them beg for a long time, they have to click some small button To Village.


Hope my post will help you somehow with picking an archer that suits you, good luck.



This is by far one of the worst breakdowns of the 3 archers I have ever read. Your so incredibly Bias, that it negates anything useful in which you might have said, which reading it, was hardly anything. You try to make some points which makes no sense whatsoever, and your knowledge of the three archers seems pretty terrible.

My overall review of what you said, 1/10 and thats me being generous.





If you're just talking PvE DPS, where you really don't need the range, SRs look **** sick. ><;

But yeah, all archers are good.



Why? After Draconic, even a HE (lowest dex archer) can reach the crit rate cap. At which point, strength and passive crit damage make a high lvl HE far superior to the SR.



endgame pr can almost reach the crit cap as well. which means its not about crit rate anymore, only about how much dmg you can deal. and even with everything a HE has, a HE wont reach the dmg output of pr. i have screenshots of my pr critting mobs in IT for 14000-14500. a same lvl HE was doing about 12000 with about same setup and same buffs.

pure dmg wise, a pr is far superior.but yes, HE does have more con^^.



PR still dosent do more damage over time over a hawkeye, still may hit harder per hit, but def not over time.



wrong again. i wish there was a damage meter for Lineage2 too like in WoW so i could prove it.



Your critical rate as a PR is terrible. Your Attack speed comapred to Hawkeye is significant lower. Both the Hawkeye and PR get Crit damage passives, but the hawkeye also gets crit chance. Your P.Attack is more, but not nearly as much as people try to make it out to be.

Please tell me how you manage to out DPS a hawkeye logically, and not based on your bias to your class?