what does the rest of the live playing se's think and i know they arnt much left.
Admitted we never been much of a pvp class but if we getting put into same position as prophet buffbots / batteries only why not give us heavy masteries also
and im not whining for all EE's and Bishops which love to brag at complaints of Se's which said the greater heals nerfs sucks yeah it does - it needs more mp to heal now - and except EE's and Bishop a SE cant keep itself alive in pvp.
now dont come with light armor its still partly 1 shot or 2 shot.
so if we get the disad of not having major heal id love to c have masteries like prophets have on a SE.
did u ever look at a prophet passive skills ? what heavy says ?
looks it up it says :
Increases P. Def., Casting Spd., and Atk. Spd. when wearing heavy armor.
and besides imy se is a bit over 800 casting in dc robe / som acumen and +4 wit tats
in dc light its like almost 700 i can live with 100 castspeed less in heavy as u wont be the pvp healer anyway but have a bit longer survive rate
Se's do fine in light armor, grab some DC light/+4 str,+4 dex,-8 con/crit or haste duals = good stuff just don't pull aggro with -8 con ^.^ Could hit around 750-800 patk with a bladedancer (and +4 kesh*kesh)maybe. Find a bladedancer to duo. VR. Fight. Don't need heals. Pwnage. BD will probobly kill 60% faster still. But a 40% increase in kill speed is worth the effort :)
I had BW light and sls*tsu+4 on my SE and he ccan solo at high 50's and low 60's.
I do not think heavy masteries will have any impact for SEs. We are not PVP healers, our role is more like stay in town and rebuff everybody respawned or stay back and occasionaly root if enough mana. We die easily, being it 2 or 4 hits make no differenece really.
Se's do fine in light armor, grab some DC light/+4 str,+4 dex,-8 con/crit or haste duals = good stuff just don't pull aggro with -8 con ^.^ Could hit around 750-800 patk with a bladedancer (and +4 kesh*kesh)maybe. Find a bladedancer to duo. VR. Fight. Don't need heals. Pwnage. BD will probobly kill 60% faster still. But a 40% increase in kill speed is worth the effort :)
I had BW light and sls*tsu+4 on my SE and he ccan solo at high 50's and low 60's.
SE can do fine soloing melee in robes. More mp + faster casting = less downtime, faster self healing.
..I didn't say it was fast. It's slower than duoing with any class or partying at all.
You're talking about a 14% damage reduction in A grade. If you're getting 2 shotted now you'd be 2.3 shotted then. Maybe with a +CON armor you could be lucky enough to last 2.5 shots.
I might be not the *most* experianced SE's out there, since im only playing my SE for 8 months now. (surrently 73) lvl . but they role in pvp for SE is rather good.
first noone consider us as a thread in mass pvp so we are not being killed as first targets, that means we can spam our low battle heals(with good m atack weapon bsps, and acumen setup) we can still save some ppl. heck even managed to heal a necro getting ********ed by 2 daggers and he survived;-)
we are not meant to be neither survivers nor pvp healers. we just buff and pve heal(which got nerfed bad, but still is doable).
as for SE solo, you either have no friends, are mega impolite, or cannot speak english , to have to solo.
last time i solo was at lvl 20. after that i never had to solo.
So if any SE uses melee weapons+light i dont know what are they doing....
Couldnt you pick up a Health Weapon, BW Light Set, and a Shield and be pretty defensive in pvp? At least long enough to mana burn, erase, root, and trance ppl?
sighs thx to c5 im not using my se for HEALING ANYWAYS !!!!
I DONT HAVE MAJOR HEAL wake up
and guy i have a prophet i love her in heavy shes owns in that
and for the light yeah sure imma go -con on a Se hell i dont have that much hp and 1500 cp ya sure i go - con with that no thx
for the wearing light and dont know what im doing i do but i like the light armor and yeah i SOLO my SE sometimes and believe it it works.
my point is if we are put same with prophets then god give us heavy masteries also. c5 bascially made se battery i still heal in small grps but i need more mp then b4 cause that HoT = i dont like it
If I can't always outheal the damage done by nuker and archers insane crits with full battle heal cracking out 1500 or so mp every half second, a SE is really going to be out of luck healing for 400 or whatever they do with battle heal bsps.
Their root would be handy if 90% of the population weren't ranged anyway.
as for SE solo, you either have no friends, are mega impolite, or cannot speak english , to have to solo.
last time i solo was at lvl 20. after that i never had to solo.
So if any SE uses melee weapons+light i dont know what are they doing....
LOL.
Sometimes it's a choice, sometimes it's because everyone on the server seems to have a 2box SE.
Soloing melee @ 1/2-3/4 of the time I wanted a party is what led to my SE becoming a 2box in the first place.
Couldnt you pick up a Health Weapon, BW Light Set, and a Shield and be pretty defensive in pvp? At least long enough to mana burn, erase, root, and trance ppl?
Could do, but what would you do with that setup in PVP? Just stand there and ...? You cast slow, without acumen weapon it's terribly slow in PVP which is fast-paced in L2. MP burn is useless for it's damage, you cast too slow and it takes too much mana for you - so after you buffed people, without robes and MP++ weapon you use it few times and you are out of mana = useless. Erase could work. Root hardly lands. SEs do not get trance.
We do not get down first, because others think we are harmless - and mostly they're right.
I've solo'd my SE prob about 95%. I did this by choice as I don't like to party for extended periods of time. A buff round here and there and back to RL. Most want to go for hours, I just can't do that. This being said, I would LOVE to have Heavy masteries. I could actually solo on "alive" mobs in the green or maybe even white range, instead of barely suviving a deep blue. With my health duals and some heavy armor, I could actually make some decent exp. I don't do too bad with BW light, but I could see using heavy be more fun and much more welcome. With the way the new heals work, I can barely heal myself in a pinch.
I've solo'd my SE prob about 95%. I did this by choice as I don't like to party for extended periods of time. A buff round here and there and back to RL. Most want to go for hours, I just can't do that. This being said, I would LOVE to have Heavy masteries. I could actually solo on "alive" mobs in the green or maybe even white range, instead of barely suviving a deep blue. With my health duals and some heavy armor, I could actually make some decent exp. I don't do too bad with BW light, but I could see using heavy be more fun and much more welcome. With the way the new heals work, I can barely heal myself in a pinch.
/signed
piro ty so much u got my point and know what i mean <3
But ncsoft very clearly doesn ot WANT an SE to be able to solo more easily. Every change they make recently which touches the SE points to that conclusion.
But ncsoft very clearly doesn ot WANT an SE to be able to solo more easily. Every change they make recently which touches the SE points to that conclusion.
Isn't this the exact opposite of what they were saying about SE's when they came out with VR?
But ncsoft very clearly doesn ot WANT an SE to be able to solo more easily. Every change they make recently which touches the SE points to that conclusion.
lol yes, they should just write somewhere "SE is supposed to be a buffbot and not intended for live players" :P
Bishop and EE needed some love, true (even though Bishop already WAS very useful in C4 and there were places where you wanted one unless your party was totally uber), but they overdid it by buffing up Bishop and EE and at the same time nerfing SE. L2 is a game where you want specialists, because the devs have not understood how to make hybrid classes which actually work (they either are too weak like the SE or overpowered like the Necro). Sure, if you go to a relatively easy place, you can get away with any healer or buffer class, and so SE works there, too. But in higher level places, you want a GOOD healer and a GOOD buffer (i.e. you want CoV, PoF or PoW depending on party, you want clarity, btb, bts, and you DEFINITELY want major heals and/or restore life), and in those places, SE is useless, full stop.
Have you seen the "this works" party combinations e.g. for 4 sepulchers? Nobody uses SE there. Instead the recommendation for parties with nukers is "use EE for PoW and an emp scroll" :(
SE/ShS is not an end game class. So at the very least they could make soloing a bit easier for us, that way we have something to do when the others enjoy PvP and high lvl PvE...
If prophets can solo in heavy without Windshackle and VR, I don't understand how an SE would be off any worse - unless they were, say, not using haste pots or out of grade weapons/nerfed str tattoos.