Hero system

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Is hero system working on other servers? ... we were able to get hero statsu/passes/weapons right when last period was over and when I logged now, noone is hero...and its kinda broken tho.
Looks like hindemith got more of a trick than the treat last night :eek:

I blame Xaen
Our hero system was not working like 3 weeks at the beginning of C4. So i guess ncsoft just hates our server.
I wish the hero system on my server wasn't working.. Would make sieges a lot more interesting..
We have no heroes? Bummer.
I am hindemith hero, no matter whether I glow or not or our hero system is not working ...

But yes, we have no heroes atm and no hero chat for mammon (which i hate)
Did you lose your clan rep points like we did after the hero system crashed last night?
before server crashed we had clan points and nobless passes like we would be heroes, dunno what will happen when servers will be up again...

We have no heroes? Bummer.



Did we ever?

(except Nya, he cool :))
The GM team is aware of the issue with the Hero system on Hindemith, and we're working to correct the problem.
Ok Mistryl, ty

But I heard this sentence for 3 weeks at the beginning of C4 and I still miss 52k noblesspasses i didnt get cuz of that. With all the interests and inflations I demand cookies or 200k more noblesspasses.


We have no heroes? Bummer.



Did we ever?

(except Nya, he cool :))


The only "good" thing I can recall coming out of the hero system was hearing about Frankee going on a PK spree. Other than that, I have no use for them and don't care one way or another if there are any. I don't know who any are on Hindemith.

I don't know who any are on Hindemith.



Me :p

% chat is good during 7signs evaluation period.



We have no heroes? Bummer.



Did we ever?

(except Nya, he cool :))


The only "good" thing I can recall coming out of the hero system was hearing about Frankee going on a PK spree. Other than that, I have no use for them and don't care one way or another if there are any. I don't know who any are on Hindemith.



u know me!!!!

My noblesse passes appear to be unchanged but the glow and the weap are gone


I don't know who any are on Hindemith.



Me :p

% chat is good during 7signs evaluation period.


Perhaps but I never use it. I never have problems finding either mammon within 15 minutes.
siege server uses hero chat to find wared clans, sell high items, and just trash talk the other heros...it's great fun to read.
If you are not lazy to look for him by yourself then % chat is really useless for you. But I am lazy and dont like spending adena to port to all catas/necros to find mammon.

siege server uses hero chat to find wared clans, sell high items, and just trash talk the other heros...it's great fun to read.


Yeah, on Hinde for a while it was used to grief at cata/necs. People would tell the heroes that mammon was at a certain place (which he wasn't) and then they'd grief whomever showed up. Good times.

Ok Mistryl, ty

But I heard this sentence for 3 weeks at the beginning of C4 and I still miss 52k noblesspasses i didnt get cuz of that. With all the interests and inflations I demand cookies or 200k more noblesspasses.



like you dont get enough money from getting hero allready....
Well i dont get that much like some other classes, and i think i deserve that, and if tehrea are some rules and i dont get the amount of noblesspasses according those rules cuz of bug, i can complain...
As noted, some people have never been hero, and this may be their only shot, so it's important this get fixed asap. Thanks!
I think Gustin is having the same issue, I think it has something to do with the change from 5 --> 9 Matches, and I think some heros did the 5 required fights when they needed the 9, even though NCsoft said that the new system wouldn't take effect until November's hero competion.
Nah it's not that, I did 78 matches, won 71, got 523 points and I'm the only one in my class that is noble and fought in Olympiad, yet I'm not glowy and can't get the hero weapon for the new cycle. Notice how the NPC also says there were no hero's in past cycle, nor any current ones. The system is bugged. Hope they fix it soon.
I beat you 4 times if I remmber well :)

I think Gustin is having the same issue, I think it has something to do with the change from 5 --> 9 Matches, and I think some heros did the 5 required fights when they needed the 9, even though NCsoft said that the new system wouldn't take effect until November's hero competion.



They then posted a correction to this saying that you would infact need 9 matches.
its not only on Hindemith server , look the same on Gustin , was hero yesterday then today no more and all desapear
keep it this way rest of the month imo on sieghardt one clan has 24 heroes gg

keep it this way rest of the month imo on sieghardt one clan has 24 heroes gg



lol omg


keep it this way rest of the month imo on sieghardt one clan has 24 heroes gg



lol omg



they had the first noble doomcryer heirophant ES dominator and soultaker... it was all down hill from there
same on gustin
i have a feeling those clans work harder than the others :P
if by working harder getting the first ultimate olympiad nobles then everyone jumping ship to them so they could get fed points then.... yea your right.
no i mean harder as in they get more xp while asleep than the average person



keep it this way rest of the month imo on sieghardt one clan has 24 heroes gg



lol omg



they had the first noble doomcryer heirophant ES dominator and soultaker... it was all down hill from there



Consito and Fstar...what?


If the other clans were to have the same amount of noblesses as us, the same amount of experience and coordination in the olympiad as us, and the same determination as us, we wouldn't be able to have 24 Heros.... But guess what? The dont, so we do. Stop crying on the official boards for the game to be changed just because our enemies have been too lazy until now to even attempt to stop us.
did you enjoy your fed points?

did you enjoy your fed points?



no other alliances feed points......riiiiight, were the only ones, how dare us :O

Actually we're just the best at it 8P

And, actually, I did. Didn't need them to win, would have beaten Zea anyway, but put me over 50 points so ++more gate passes, woo!

Way to avoid the subject with a pathetic attempt at flaming me.


did you enjoy your fed points?



no other alliances feed points......riiiiight, were the only ones, how dare us :O

Actually we're just the best at it 8P

And, actually, I did. Didn't need them to win, would have beaten Zea anyway, but put me over 50 points so ++more gate passes, woo!

Way to avoid the subject with a pathetic attempt at flaming me.



enjoy being hero on a dead server ^.^
lionna hero gone too..
Wonder if they just kept Hero disabled. Would NCsoft lose 10 players and gain 1000?

Wonder if they just kept Hero disabled. Would NCsoft lose 10 players and gain 1000?



god I love you senti

Wonder if they just kept Hero disabled. Would NCsoft lose 10 players and gain 1000?



I'd be ****** if they completely removed heros, but I honestly wouldnt mind if they removed the hero skills. There was occasional complaing of infinity rods being over powered but Heros werent overpowered in c4. The main draw to hero for me is the glow/weapon/chat and mostly, the Noblesse Gate passes. I wouldnt really care if the skills got taken away, they are a huge bonus that really didnt need to be given. I think that would be a great compromise to satisfy most people.
Anyone who busts their rear for years to get to that level deserves a few perks.

Anyone who busts their rear for years to get to that level deserves a few perks.



yea that totally ******* imbalance the game
Envy is a terrible thing . . . .

Envy is a terrible thing . . . .


A hope for balance does not envy make.

Anyone who busts their rear for years to get to that level deserves a few perks.


Unfortunately, they are the exception and not the rule.

Anyone who busts their rear for years to get to that level deserves a few perks.



300m+ per month depending on how you perform in the olympiad

a free SG weapon with like 5 different SAs on it all at once

1k rep points for your clan (when we get 20k+ rep at month's beginning its like christmas with clan buffs ^.^)

the greatest trade channel ever 8D (every shout ive done in the few hours ive gotten to be hero ive recieved atleast 2 responses from)

...Id be more than happy without the hero skills. Perhaps leaving in hero zerk and maybe valor, but those arent even really neccessary to leave in... They arent TOO overpowered 8)
BS it took me 2.5 yrs to get hero and i had it for 1 hour im not happy.
Same here, lol.
Im not saying i dont want my hero status back, lol

Im saying id be happy with it in the form that it was in c4

if you dont think hero skills are overpowered you are ignorant. I worked my *** off leveling my prophet subclass from 40-75 in 4-5 months so i could be heros as it was in c4... when these new skills came out it was a surprise to me, I really dont care if i have them or not... PvP would be more fun with out them. I want the blessed enchants, i want the glow, i want the weapon, i want the shout... but honestly i would prefer not having the skills. people dont wanna PvP when they dont stand a chance.
The hero skills make doing it for all the years worthwhile. I'd rather have the short skills then the $$.
Buying Lineage II - $29.95

Playing Lineage II - $15.00 per month

Spending mom and dads money to "play at the next lvl" - $xxxx.xx

Watching thoes players pay to get hero for 1 hr before server rest and poof hero is gone - Priceless

No offence ment to the ppl that got it legit.

The hero skills make doing it for all the years worthwhile. I'd rather have the short skills then the $$.



Id rather have PvP than skills i never get to use, but to each their own

BS it took me 2.5 yrs to get hero and i had it for 1 hour im not happy.



It didn't take anyone 2.5 years to get hero. Did you start the game thinking, ok I'm level 1 now, it'll be 2.5 years of nothing but busting my rear but I'm really doing it for stupidly overpowered Hero skills?

No, you didn't.
eat me

eat me


Sounds like the typical useless hero chatter.


Quote:
eat me


Sounds like the typical useless hero chatter.


haha
Its down on Devianne too, might be a north american thing


eat me


Sounds like the typical useless hero chatter.


u are so right! :D .... lilwench = fortune seeker hero on erica this month (she was at least first in class ranking when i checked it a few days ago :p)


eat me


Sounds like the typical useless hero chatter.



lol yea seriously, i thought the same.
any news about this ? i miss my glow :(

only had it for like 30 minutes -.-
I don't know about the rest of ya, but Teon has the biggest issue with heroes... the gms need to regulate some of the nonsense... serriously.

if I had a dollar for every childish, inane, or otherwise irritating thing the heroes had to say here...I'd have enough money to buy out NCsoft and personaly ban each and every one of their accounts... and I would love every minute of it...

it's like a bad TV show... it's terrible, but some how you just can't stop listening to the idiots speak... you feel your brain cells dieing trying to comprehend the drpavity and all-around sptupidity of the words.. and then you tell yourself you should turn off hero chat... but then you need to find mammon and have to listen to the BS all over again...

I have no other problems with the hero system, but NCSoft should just undo what they did when devising Hero Chat... I would happily live with finding mammon on my own and having to hear the idiots babble...
Oh, and not to get all flamed up.. but balance issues in the hero system... please...

there are 24 heros... and 14 million subscribers... if every other person could have hero sttatus, then yes it would be "imbalanced" but if 24 pre-pubescent little debutants with daddy's credit cards manage to ebay enough to get hero status, I say let them... once they get it, they keep it and that's 24 bright shiny tagers for a whole opposing clan to take a whack at in the next seige...

but don't stand around crying becouse 24 of 14 million people got ubbered up... ****... bigger problems to worry about
Why so much hate? :( We are actually people too, you know. You'd probably act a little funny too if you got hundreds of PMs a day asking stupid stuff!


- Oh, and just a sidenote: There are 31 heroes. o.o
why so much hate... hmm... I guess I am hateful... downright mean even...

To be honest, I only have things against the heros from IA... I won't name individuals names becouse that would just be uncalled for, but they all exhibit the same traits...

Players on Teon are well aware of what I mean, though they may have a different opinion of it than I do, it doesn't change the fact... the hero chat on teon goes pretty much like this...

<IA hero> we so bad, we got 20+++ heros Ex got 2... we so bad

<Ex hero> can't all afford to buy our way to the top :P

<IA hero> ... we so bad... you suck...

<Ex hero> nuh uh! you suck!

...and it goes on and on... of course my reinactment is a tiny tiny bit exadurated (can't spell, too many drinks :P)... but it pretty much sums it all up... there are a few heros that don't irritate the hell out of me...

my only real hypothesis is that they need the attention for some reason... maybe too much time playing lineage and not enough time being social makes them... starved or desperate for the pixialted text that comes as a responce from other players interested in their silly exhibitions... I dunno, hell... the heads spinnin' too much from the drinks.. I think I need to go happy sleep sleep now...
31 x 10 servers is 310 heros

only 100k accounts in NA i dont know where u get 14 million from lol.

Take away farmers and dual boxed accounts you got roughly 50,000 people.

310 people out of 50,000 is significant or more into perspective per server its like 31 people out of 4,000 - 5,000 people.
Yep gotta love people who exagerate... lol

Why so much hate? :( We are actually people too, you know.


Hahahahaha.

Okay, I'm done.


Hahahahahahaa.

Sorry, really done now.

i dont know where u get 14 million from lol.



Thats an NCSoft announcement. They are referring to the total number of accounts that has ever existed in Lineage 2 worldwide since it began.


Take away farmers and dual boxed accounts you got roughly 50,000 people.



Probably more around 20.000 players.
Correct... for those of you who can read, I plainly stated that there were 14 million subscribers... 100% accurate... I never stated 14 million players...

and in truth, you wind up having closer to 150k players per server, with anywhere from 15k to 50k active at a time... (counting bots and individuals breaking the EULA by running 3rd party software)

on a good day, with an active server you still have a miniscule numer of heros in corolation to the number of active players... 31 to even 1000 is substantial enough...

not that the point need be left there, there aren't may instances of all the heros being on the same 'side' although it is on one server, and with the heros making big enough fools of themselves, there is no need to worry about how the other playersstack up sinse they are more than happy to take each other out...
Although one hero is not a lot compared to the amount of players on a server, I dare say a hero has more influence in a siege as many non hero individuals, just because of the skills they get aimed at pvp/siege.

Its strange though a discussion started about what to fix first. Like you have a say in that. I'd say fix both/all, ok?
I don't think that was ever in dispute... what I think was being communicated was that the the heros, while powerful, are reletively insubstantial given the number of opponents they have that are non-hero... any way you look at it, a hero is stronger than a non-hero, that is a given, maybe twice as strong, maybe ten times as strong... s 1 hero vs 2 non heros... or 10 non heros... fair... but's is more like 1 hero vs 1000 non heros, and that hero quite frankly doesnt have the faintest hope of taking down more than 1 or two people in a seige before getting taken out himself, just like every ones else on the feild...

but there are a billion little factors that play into how that would work out, and the ourcomes vary... anyway, not much point in arguing... you are are right, they are more powerful, but they are still sooo few in number that it makes absolutely no difference...

I personally hate the hero system, wish it was never thought up... same as Zariache (NCSoft admitted it came up while drinking... and that's what too many booze can do to you).

look at this way, seiges and pvp before heros is not far changed from seiges and pvp with them, only small alterations have been made... wars are fought and won the same way, some of the target just glow realy bright and hurt realy bad...

I think it is a given (especially on teon) that the hero of a given class is not the most skilled or talented player of that class... but the player IRL clearly has a bigger bank account and can afford to ebay the +10 S grade gear needed to win... nuke for nuke / blow for blow you can't win in a fight when your opponent outgears you that badly... (some fights youy can win against the odds, sure, but not like that)...

so again, I disdain the hero system, and mostly the chat... gg, to I hate the hero chat... but even though they are a blemish on l2s otherwse fair features, they are tolerated becouse they are so very few...

anyway, I need to stop talking, ya'll are makin me get carried away... I don't even know what I am talking about anymore :confused:
None of the hero's here have outrageously high OE-ed weapons or anything, so that might be just your server. Besides that hero income allows for extreme income once you get it. Most classes on my server have no competition so they win by default (like my class).
sigh... (adds this to the tally of reasons to not play on Teon)

someday when server transfers are allowed I will put all this nonsense behind me... I should move to your server :P
Our problem is finding 9 noblesse to actually fight :p

I plainly stated that there were 14 million subscribers



The word being "were". Right now in NA there is around 86-90K active accounts. (Now NCSoft has never clarified wether this is counted as NCSoft main accounts or individual game accounts), so there couldn't be 150K on a server.

Correct... for those of you who can read, I plainly stated that there were 14 million subscribers... 100% accurate... I never stated 14 million players...

and in truth, you wind up having closer to 150k players per server, with anywhere from 15k to 50k active at a time... (counting bots and individuals breaking the EULA by running 3rd party software)

on a good day, with an active server you still have a miniscule numer of heros in corolation to the number of active players... 31 to even 1000 is substantial enough...

not that the point need be left there, there aren't may instances of all the heros being on the same 'side' although it is on one server, and with the heros making big enough fools of themselves, there is no need to worry about how the other playersstack up sinse they are more than happy to take each other out...



Where the hell did it ever say they had 14 million subscribers anywhere?

NA never went best 110k accounts with 9 servers now we got 10 servers and maybe 85k account making 8,500 per server on avg.

WoW only have 6.5 - 7 mil subscribers, and worldwide there is only about 14 - 15 million people who even play MMORPG, please stop pulling numbers out of thin air.

Worldwide Lineage 2 has about 1 million subscribers and Lineage 1 has about 1.5 million (says something when you 2d predssor has more subscribors then your 3d flagship game.)
ummm linage 1 toped out at 23mil users
Just curious, has anyone recieved any updates on this yet? They said my petition was elevated and that I will recieve an e-mail, but nothing yet.

I want my bow back 8( and I love my circlet, but it just sits in my inventory and i cant equip 8/
Teon heroes have not just been disabled recently. Quite a few of them got shifted over to the other side of two main server-dominating forces.
New list of heroes has received the gate passes, and the 1k reputation award was given out, too.

To fix that, would it take a week-long roll-back?
Somehow, i think it's going to be left as it is currently. Who could care about server forces stand, cushy rewards out of the blue?
Not to mention the way it's complicated with the overweight sign up exploits during the competition.
Sounds like a Chaotic Chronicle to me.


Correct... for those of you who can read, I plainly stated that there were 14 million subscribers... 100% accurate... I never stated 14 million players...

and in truth, you wind up having closer to 150k players per server, with anywhere from 15k to 50k active at a time... (counting bots and individuals breaking the EULA by running 3rd party software)

on a good day, with an active server you still have a miniscule numer of heros in corolation to the number of active players... 31 to even 1000 is substantial enough...

not that the point need be left there, there aren't may instances of all the heros being on the same 'side' although it is on one server, and with the heros making big enough fools of themselves, there is no need to worry about how the other playersstack up sinse they are more than happy to take each other out...



Where the hell did it ever say they had 14 million subscribers anywhere?

NA never went best 110k accounts with 9 servers now we got 10 servers and maybe 85k account making 8,500 per server on avg.

WoW only have 6.5 - 7 mil subscribers, and worldwide there is only about 14 - 15 million people who even play MMORPG, please stop pulling numbers out of thin air.

Worldwide Lineage 2 has about 1 million subscribers and Lineage 1 has about 1.5 million (says something when you 2d predssor has more subscribors then your 3d flagship game.)



alright eistein... "where does it say 14m" on the ****ed box that's where... you don't like my words... read it from NCSoft themselves... and sinse you seem to be pulling these numbers out of your *** how exactly do you justify your info? hmm? where do your imaginary figures come from?
One of my fellow hero friends got an e-mail back.

The problem was caused by a glitch in code dealing with day-light savings time. Kind of lame though on Teon our enemy got 9k free points T_T. Oh well =).

One of my fellow hero friends got an e-mail back.

The problem was caused by a glitch in code dealing with day-light savings time. Kind of lame though on Teon our enemy got 9k free points T_T. Oh well =).



Another proof that daylight saving time is evil. :)
Whats more unbelievable is that this happened last time day-light savings happened too, so this shouldn't have come at a surprise and they should've had plenty time fixing it before it happened again.. 6 months!
I want an official response from NCsoft about this issue asap.

Should we be signing up to compete for next months heroes at this current time on teon? Or would it be pointless to compete in the olympiad atm cause all the results will get back tracked or what's up?

I just want to know so, everyone of our nobles knows if it's smart or not to compete atm with all the havoc going on with your cruddy hero system atm.
LF Working Hero System.............

LF Working Hero System.............


qft mr. cog.
Wouldn't mind an update from Mistryl or someone else atm, since they removed the "hero not working" msg from logging in as well, while its still messed up after nearly 2 weeks.
just insert the 300k passes to my quest inventory, and the 1k rep points to my clan and ill be good for a month.
I want 600k passes, i'm paying to play a broken game. It shouldn't be like that.

I want 600k passes, i'm paying to play a broken game. It shouldn't be like that.


It's actually less broken now, IMO..

I want 600k passes, i'm paying to play a broken game. It shouldn't be like that.



there were no hero in prelude/C1/C2/c3 something and nobody cry about it :)
When your enemy benefits strongly from the glitch it can really piss you off, don't you think?

When your enemy benefits strongly from the glitch it can really piss you off, don't you think?



true..even I play Bartz I hate hypocrite such as f2bmauluz too :(


When your enemy benefits strongly from the glitch it can really piss you off, don't you think?



true..even I play Bartz I hate hypocrite such as f2bmauluz too :(



I didnt see you whine when you and your ally exploited with overweight and letting only your 2 botted nobles play to transfer points and ensure your ally 12 hero's, did you?
Stop your melodramatic bs here Skirn. People might actually think you're in a legit clan and ally.

Sure waiting for an answer from GM's cause almost no olympiad now, cause nobody sure what's happening. But stop acting like angel Skirn. Your clan/ally has got [censored] written all over it.

edit: lol botprogram name is censored ;o
edit2: before calling me hypocrit again: http://www.megaupload.com/es/?d=UKAI6VI8
Robin, your guys signed up over weight too. So, please cut the politics in this thread.

++ncsoft fix the heroes.


Edit: Gotta love my butt hurt enemies :)
Mistryl any word on this?

I believe becoming a Hero is what drives many people in this game to pursue noble, get better gear, OE skillz etc. Having this reward be down for 2 weeks is quite disheartening...
Would be nice to have a game developer that actually cared and did soemthing, besides writting messages "we are working on it" Really NCsoft. GG Do they send thies messages from korea aswell or do u actaully configrated ur auto responds ur self?

Mistryl any word on this?

I believe becoming a Hero is what drives many people in this game to pursue noble, get better gear, OE skillz etc. Having this reward be down for 2 weeks is quite disheartening...



Regardless of when they fix this they should reinstate all the Heroes so they can serve out their tenure.


Mistryl any word on this?

I believe becoming a Hero is what drives many people in this game to pursue noble, get better gear, OE skillz etc. Having this reward be down for 2 weeks is quite disheartening...



Regardless of when they fix this they should reinstate all the Heroes so they can serve out their tenure.




mmm 2 heros of each class in december?^^
I would just like to know, if we can expect to get hero added this month, or if we should just forget this month, and fight for it for next cycle. Im guessing we wont see any glow for the rest of the month tho. But it would be nice to know.

My first time as hero, lasted a whole 30 minutes >.<


When your enemy benefits strongly from the glitch it can really piss you off, don't you think?



true..even I play Bartz I hate hypocrite such as f2bmauluz too :(



LOL, cut the BS... only reason Fade has an imperfect rep on teon is becouse all his enemies whine like schoolgirls everytime they realize they can't compete with his ally...

****, you all start callin names and sinse IA is nothing but botted accounts with ebayd gear its no wonder you can't compete... stop accusing your enemy of the very things you do.... everyone knows IA is full of [censored], and everyones sees right through your BS Skirn



When your enemy benefits strongly from the glitch it can really piss you off, don't you think?



true..even I play Bartz I hate hypocrite such as f2bmauluz too :(




LOL, cut the BS... only reason Fade has an imperfect rep on teon is becouse all his enemies whine like schoolgirls everytime they realize they can't compete with his ally...

****, you all start callin names and sinse IA is nothing but botted accounts with ebayd gear its no wonder you can't compete... stop accusing your enemy of the very things you do.... everyone knows IA is full of [censored], and everyones sees right through your BS Skirn


Let me see here -

Exile - Allied with every single farmer in c2 toi/dvc.
Exile - Gave the the farmers 2 castles oren and gludio
Exile - Allied with raid farmers for c3/c4 to get lilith/antharas help
Exile - Dumped the raid farmers because they were giving them a bad rep and probably because they didn't need them to raid antharas anymore, lol.

So pls pudding if you do not know teon history then do not open your mouth, ok son?

Could you explain to me the [removed] groups at the dvc heart as well of the russians that came over from private servers? Instant force logging when we bring pvp squad / train or just logging out completely when we reach the money room? LOL
Riiiiight...

Alliances are always suspicious if your pointing fingers... especially from some one like you who's never botted, or used walker... I see more bot parties in ToI and the cats with IA tags, mostly Unforgiven (and your little affiliate clans) than any other... you're whole alliance is a giant friggen bot group...

You can't list a single seige, or pvp with exile, or any other alliance for that matter, where your guys didn't use walker... and your justification? "becouse they did it first?" doesn't work son... and it sure as hell won't fly sinse your just making biased accusations about your enemy... they win a few heros and you cry to NCSoft about you wasting money to play a broken game? what about all the money you and your friends waste on the adena you ebay from the famers... where do you think all that adena comes from, Skirn? doesn't just magically appear...

before you accuse your enemy of 'botting' just remember that you benefit more from the bots than anyone... all the gear your clannies buy, with that money they buy... FROM BOTS... yeah... bots... so whose the real fool skirn?

and don't lecture me about 'teon history', i'll take you to school on that kid, just stick to what you know best... keep on whining, but do everyone a favor and take it off the forums, or at least to another thread, if I am not mistaken this is a thread about heros, and the glitch in that system...a glitch I like to call "ImmortalAlliance"
Closing due to flaming and accusations.