The problem is the hero system is broken, because game balance is not where it needs to be.
People are complaining when are heroes going to be fixed, my personal opinion……..
Please remove them for good!!!!
One or 2 powerful character classes can farm points from the server and drop points to clan mates. And I’m sorry to say some classes can not compete unless it is same class vs. same class.
On my server one clan has all but 3 or 4 heroes every time. Even with 5 to 1 odds no one on my server can stand against them. 22+ heroes can dominate 8 or 9 times their numbers.
They run their own farmer groups for funds and do bosses daily / weekly. Several have +12-+16 A grade items.
I play 5 + hours a day and have been playing from open beta. And I’m just now getting to the point where I even compete on a low level again. Pre-c3 was very balanced. From C4 on, the curve has gotten almost where if you’re not in the top 10% you might as well quit…..
New Players don’t want to play this game, because who wants grind for 3 months to 70’s and die in one hit.
At one point until they took away this clans hero power they owned all but 3 castles on our server. Even without hero power they managed to hold off 5 or 6 times their number at aden this weekend. I’m 76/75 and a tank and I died 3 times. An archer hit me for 2500+ 4 times in a row. (The archer don’t need nerfing)
But……..
When the highest HP tank with the most pdef can’t manage to stay alive for more than 1 min unless they use UD and have 77 skill, something’s not working and broken.
Yes I can run into the middle of 22 heroes, UD and AE aggression for the 10 seconds it take them to kill me =/ But then one of them AE fears 100 people and they pick people off like picking up gold.
I've been playing since Prelude for 5 hours a day as well. And i want my hero back. As for your " they run farmer groups" who's to say, but you sound just like everyone else that hasn't learned to play and continues to lag behind. " If they are better then me , then they cheat" type of person.
Now for the rest ...
What are the 2 powerful character classes that are farming all these points?
You stated that this weeked they held you off, ummm thats not a hero problem. That you not being able to compete.
So hurry up and fix the hero's, im going broke :)
And missing 1k rep points that others got because they play at a earlier time then i do just sucks
The hero system is messed up because you have to have 9 ppl on to compete in the olympiad. You can bug it by being overweight and not go in but still put urself in the spot. It isnt fair to expect certain classes to be able to evenly match up against others. Support clases are support classes for a reason. Your doing the hero compete to be the hero for your class. Wouldnt it make more since to fight your own class. If there is no competition u automatically become hero. or something like that.
Heros are amazingly overpowered. But thats the advantage to working towards being one. So yes it sucks to fight them at times, but if they only way they can win is with heros then rather than complain about not having heros at all finding a way to compete with them is better. Sure its a lot of work.
And i know I my server they used the wrong means to get where there at some ppl. but its just like real life... just stick it out, and dont give up. Things will get better.
There are class-internal matches - but I don't think they're being used anywhere: Those classes of which plenty of noblesse exist are usually not interested in a match against their own, since they're quite powerful.
but you sound just like everyone else that hasn't learned to play and continues to lag behind. " If they are better then me , then they cheat" type of person.
Hmmmmm, Yeah I been around since OB myslef. I play almost every day but not sure how often on average. I suppose I haven't "learned to play" either. I would wonder what "learning" I would need to do to become a Hero with a +16 S weapon.
Hero status and enough money to have the leetest gear on the server takes either very unhealthy dedication to the game, or a willingness to do whatever it takes to get ahead. Neither of which I find terribly admirable.
I look at L2 like I look at pro sports. Someone like myself, who has no ability to do my own investigations, can't say for sure who does and does not take steroids. But I am willing to bet it is incredibly hard to be something like a pro football player without some performance enhancement.
It is equally impossible for a normal player to tell the legit Heros from the more dubious. So I would agree accusations are pointless, and often due to being upset. But I think one alliance having 20+ heros is sort of suspicious. But maybe its just cuz I don't know how to play L2.
Regardless of the legitamacy of our Heros, I think the OP raises a reasonable concern. I think with each chronicle they add new end game buffs, end game items, end game skills, and such things as Noblesse and Hero. With every chron the strong get much stronger, and the weak get all the weaker.
“If they are better then me , then they cheat" type of person.”
I did not even go into cheating botng ect…………
I mean hero farming, full hero groups running the hero rift over and over for crystals, 22+ heroes and friends doing pretty much every raid boss, and boss mob.
If 1 or 2 have full boss mob jewels that alone swings power, now imagine 10 or 12 with almost full boss mob equipment and full s grade.
When an entire server pretty much cant stand up to the power of one clan because of gear items and levels something is wrong. When one clan can hold all but 3 castles on a server until hero status is revoked something is wong.
i never seen a hero fight but i think it's wrong to give a Mage a UD skill talking about balance yes hero's must be thougth to beat thats why they are hero's but they not gods =/ witch they are atm from what i understand
The hero system is messed up because you have to have 9 ppl on to compete in the olympiad. You can bug it by being overweight and not go in but still put urself in the spot. It isnt fair to expect certain classes to be able to evenly match up against others. Support clases are support classes for a reason. Your doing the hero compete to be the hero for your class. Wouldnt it make more since to fight your own class. If there is no competition u automatically become hero. or something like that.
Heros are amazingly overpowered. But thats the advantage to working towards being one. So yes it sucks to fight them at times, but if they only way they can win is with heros then rather than complain about not having heros at all finding a way to compete with them is better. Sure its a lot of work.
And i know I my server they used the wrong means to get where there at some ppl. but its just like real life... just stick it out, and dont give up. Things will get better.
Miz!
Pay attention to the olympiad, you do know that some of the support classes are the strongest classes in the olympiad right? Also, the overweight item thing dosent work anymore, you forfeit teh fight if that happens and lose points accordingly.
I'm inclined to agree with the OP. Remove the hero system. I can't see where it serves any kind of logical purpose besides unbalancing the server even more. Only the top clans have heroes and this is largely because they tend to have S grade gear , epic jewelry, and over the top plussed up weapons. The only way to make the hero competition fair would be to make competitors in the Olympiad use equal weapons and gear during competition. In other words when a competitor goes in, they have to choose two weapons, a special olympiad armor (heavy, light, and robes), and olympiad only jewelry. At that time only the tattoos, level, and skill would be a factor in the competition. Then everyone would know if you really know how to play your character or if you keep winning because you have better stuff.
I'm sorry if I can't get into the bandwagon of "They worked hard for their levels" garbage. I'm a realist and I've taken a look around this game. I know people that play constantly and with the same toons and haven't reached 76/75 status. I know peeps that have extremely good business savvy and make millions upon millions and still can't afford full draconic with draconic bows and epic jewelry. I don't like the hero situation because it further rewards some of these questionable players with more in game assets than is reasonably fair. And it keeps these players as dominant forces in the game. This just kills the spirit of the rest of the server and makes the game noticeably drag in certain areas.
I can live without heroes in their current incarnations.
2) You wouldnt have to worry about who has Heros if they would leave out the Hero skills that they never should have put in anyway.
3) Who in our ally has highly enchanted weapons? How many bot parties do we have going? ROFL I didn't even know we have this stuff... where can I get my share? Lian's been short changing me I think.
4) You cant get full S grade just by playing the market unless you are really really good at it. You have to get off your lazy bum and do quests, do 4 seps, do boss raids. This goes back to a problem with the playerbase... Noone does this stuff besides Catalyst and, very very rarely, ICA.
Do you wonder why Catalyst has so much good gear? We farmed Antharas, we farmed Baium, we farm Frintezza, we had daily groups in IT/FoG, we did regular 4seps runs, we had multiple groups at Varka daily. Something in this game would be really screwed up if we weren't the first ones with full S grade.
2) You wouldnt have to worry about who has Heros if they would leave out the Hero skills that they never should have put in anyway.
3) Who in our ally has highly enchanted weapons? How many bot parties do we have going? ROFL I didn't even know we have this stuff... where can I get my share? Lian's been short changing me I think.
4) You cant get full S grade just by playing the market unless you are really really good at it. You have to get off your lazy bum and do quests, do 4 seps, do boss raids. This goes back to a problem with the playerbase... Noone does this stuff besides Catalyst and, very very rarely, ICA.
Do you wonder why Catalyst has so much good gear? We farmed Antharas, we farmed Baium, we farm Frintezza, we had daily groups in IT/FoG, we did regular 4seps runs, we had multiple groups at Varka daily. Something in this game would be really screwed up if we weren't the first ones with full S grade.
It usually isn't my style to poke fun at any clans by name, but since you put it out there about the Cat guys I just had to drop down laughing at your claims to honor and fair play.
I won't dispute your farming Antharus or doing raids or any of the other things you said your crew does. But I've known your group since it's humble beginnings (and no, not as any of the names you see in my sig) and I can tell you straight out that the ability to do all those things weren't fairly earned. Even now I personally have seen guys from that clique using so much automation to level it would make George Jetson jealous. And for the record, I'm sure that if anyone could get to high levels that way...it sure would make farming high level raid bosses you're so proud of alot more possible, wouldn't you say. It may even make competing in the Olympiad a tad more simpler than just having to grind it out like the rest of the broken playerbase.
I won't call any of your crew out by name...because 1) it's not permitted. 2) it's not my business. 3) It wouldn't make any difference. But please....PLEASE....stop putting up the front that you guys are just top shelf because you have some great skill and determination (aside from clicking a mouse button) that everyone else lacks.
Well, the truth is that the OP was partially right. Aden was indeed held. But what he forgot to say was that all those Clans and Alliances forced Catalyst to keep their entire force in Aden and three other castles were taken away that weekend.
I.E. having them lose Hero made it so their was actually a balanced fight.
P.S. Catalyst should be happy about this. They've wanted the server to rise up against them for months now.
Guess it took Hero to drop for some of the animosity between some of the alliances to drop.
Oh, and flcon, you're right. Some of the hero skills make them practically Raid Bosses.
While I agree that the hero system is not very fair, I am one of the few who HAVE worked hard to earn my hero status. I never botted, bought adena, ebayed or used any other exploit to gain advantage, and I've made it hero. It is a shame that I can't get those benefits now.
To all those that think all heros cheat...while I'm sure many do, I don't, and I'm sure there are others that earned it the same way I did.
Oaks it dont matters if you did or did not what matters the hero system is broken a hero's weapons are already good enough for a hero not to mention the scrolls they get
basically all I see on these forusm are people who spend to much time on them complaining about people who in game have worked hard and dedicated themselves, like oaks, and myself to get to the point to be able to ocmpete int the olympiad. NOw while some my have cheated scammed or illegaly gotten to this point there are those have earned it rightfully so. Some say the weapon is worthit, well that can be right for osme classes others just use thier own sgrade item. The scrolls, well that's mostly a joke now with the new prices on enchants I don;t know how they think that it is worth it. I am sure abisha and co knew about those changes and still complain about the heroes. Honestly heroes have not dominated any seige I have seen, UNLESS people refuse to change thier tactics. Guild think that because they seiged in C2-C4 in a ertain way they should be able to continue using the same stale tactics. Don;t clump up don't mass charge and If 1 heroes can throw a guild charge into choas the guild needs to learn form that and react. Not come on the boards and cry about it.
NCsoft as one person who has not been hero, please note that not everyone feels heroes are unbalanced. the vocal minority here is just that, the minority. For the most part we know yoru working on it and with the new modifications to the olympiad you are making it even more difficult to stack points on certain ppl.
Good luck ncsoft I hope to have our heroes back in all thier glory by months end.
Man if our server would have had the attitude "hell we cnt beat em we should quit" The server would have died long ago.
What ever happened to the drive to beat those that have done ou wrong. Instead of taking the "Remove all hero's" route why not go for the "Just wait I'll be glowing one day, and then ill get my revenge"
If you want S grade, do what the other legit people do. Spend 4 hours a day for 2-3 months at silenos and get it. Nothing is hard just takes time and a willingness to achieve it.
in my server alright have many nobless, is very hard transfer points nowdays, havent any class in gustin that can beat all other classes yet, the last olympiad period i remember my clan sleeping very later because we did in the last 7 days, fighting enemies and transfering points. IMO the enemies cry to me coz they dont have good equipament is really weak, if u havent good equipament go blame ur lazy leader that doesnt organize quests for varka, raids, IT ,FOG, antharas, frinteza. my clan been doing thoose quests since c4 started, we done many antharas and baium, if we have good gears is because we did a good job and worked all together to get good gears, we are friends that are playing together for long time, i guess if we play together, have fun and got nobless for it, and want to be heros, sure that the leaders will organize a good strategy to get as many heros possible for the friends. My enemies also have many nobless, if they cant get heros is because their leader doesnt give a [censored] to his clan get heros, all i saw he doing since he got hero is he getting free points from his alliance and showing everbody that he is getting the points, serious, so easy control olympiad when people do things like it, about gears... i only see the leader of my enemies have grade s and full boss jewels, after he got it lolz, he just dont organize anything anymore, if u guys keep crying about olympiad cheats and ur enemies have good gears and u not, lolz u are just a [censored] that is waiting things came from the sky, it will not happen, gears come with hard work, nobless come with hard work, heros come with hard work, btw my alliance fight against 4 or 5 big alliances, that have an awesome zerg number, u guys havent a good leader, the lazy of ur leader doesnt organize anything, and in the end all that u guys do is cry
in my server alright have many nobless, is very hard transfer points nowdays, havent any class in gustin that can beat all other classes yet, the last olympiad period i remember my clan sleeping very later because we did in the last 7 days, fighting enemies and transfering points. IMO the enemies cry to me coz they dont have good equipament is really weak, if u havent good equipament go blame ur lazy leader that doesnt organize quests for varka, raids, IT ,FOG, antharas, frinteza. my clan been doing thoose quests since c4 started, we done many antharas and baium, if we have good gears is because we did a good job and worked all together to get good gears, we are friends that are playing together for long time, i guess if we play together, have fun and got nobless for it, and want to be heros, sure that the leaders will organize a good strategy to get as many heros possible for the friends. My enemies also have many nobless, if they cant get heros is because their leader doesnt give a [censored] to his clan get heros, all i saw he doing since he got hero is he getting free points from his alliance and showing everbody that he is getting the points, serious, so easy control olympiad when people do things like it, about gears... i only see the leader of my enemies have grade s and full boss jewels, after he got it lolz, he just dont organize anything anymore, if u guys keep crying about olympiad cheats and ur enemies have good gears and u not, lolz u are just a [censored] that is waiting things came from the sky, it will not happen, gears come with hard work, nobless come with hard work, heros come with hard work, btw my alliance fight against 4 or 5 big alliances, that have an awesome zerg number, u guys havent a good leader, the lazy of ur leader doesnt organize anything, and in the end all that u guys do is cry
Just take away hero chat, on hinde most of the heros are just annoying, and i can do without the updates of where mammon is, i got by long enough with out it. If something needs to get across the server quick have all your friends message friends or have a clan leader message a clan leader who will tell their clan. I think that having the hero's for pvp is good. I like the idea of a server wide pvp event and it will take off w/ more and more people leveling because they wish to participate.
Just take away hero chat, on hinde most of the heros are just annoying, and i can do without the updates of where mammon is, i got by long enough with out it. If something needs to get across the server quick have all your friends message friends or have a clan leader message a clan leader who will tell their clan. I think that having the hero's for pvp is good. I like the idea of a server wide pvp event and it will take off w/ more and more people leveling because they wish to participate.
I agree that Hero skills should be revamped. But like everything else in this game, when something get buffed, NC Soft means it! Heroes are godlike, unless you're a hero yourself (or have Zariche) you can only dream of beating one. Not to mention the group buffs and UD.. Hero should give a slight advantage only.
I agree that Hero skills should be revamped. But like everything else in this game, when something get buffed, NC Soft means it! Heroes are godlike, unless you're a hero yourself (or have Zariche) you can only dream of beating one. Not to mention the group buffs and UD.. Hero should give a slight advantage only.
hero skills are only good for hardcore nukers
give hero skills to a tank and basically all you have is some guy the is invincible for 20 seconds every 1 hour
Hero valor? Or what it was called that increase pdef 500(!!!!!) and patk 250.. I just saw a pic of an Eva's Saint with 1950ish pdef.. lol? And as I understand, it's an ALLY buff. So it's good for everyone, not only nukers.. jeeez
Point of the matter is, hero skills ruin ye good old fun pvp.. like it's not broken enough from overpowering buffs and gear haha
I'm inclined to agree with the OP. Remove the hero system. I can't see where it serves any kind of logical purpose besides unbalancing the server even more. Only the top clans have heroes and this is largely because they tend to have S grade gear , epic jewelry, and over the top plussed up weapons. The only way to make the hero competition fair would be to make competitors in the Olympiad use equal weapons and gear during competition. In other words when a competitor goes in, they have to choose two weapons, a special olympiad armor (heavy, light, and robes), and olympiad only jewelry. At that time only the tattoos, level, and skill would be a factor in the competition. Then everyone would know if you really know how to play your character or if you keep winning because you have better stuff.
I'm sorry if I can't get into the bandwagon of "They worked hard for their levels" garbage. I'm a realist and I've taken a look around this game. I know people that play constantly and with the same toons and haven't reached 76/75 status. I know peeps that have extremely good business savvy and make millions upon millions and still can't afford full draconic with draconic bows and epic jewelry. I don't like the hero situation because it further rewards some of these questionable players with more in game assets than is reasonably fair. And it keeps these players as dominant forces in the game. This just kills the spirit of the rest of the server and makes the game noticeably drag in certain areas.
I can live without heroes in their current incarnations.
Da Smookster...
+1 Smookster... +1... eerr 2... w/e!
Totally agree with you. Skill doesnt come from having the best gear/buffs, but from knowing your class and how to play it. This idea you stated Smookster and same class matches are the 2 most logical ideas to hero system. we can only wonder why it hasnt been implemented :confused:
I'm inclined to agree with the OP. Remove the hero system. I can't see where it serves any kind of logical purpose besides unbalancing the server even more. Only the top clans have heroes and this is largely because they tend to have S grade gear , epic jewelry, and over the top plussed up weapons. The only way to make the hero competition fair would be to make competitors in the Olympiad use equal weapons and gear
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lions and still can't afford full draconic with draconic bows and epic jewelry. I don't like the hero situation because it further rewards some of these questionable players with more in game assets than is reasonably fair. And it keeps these players as dominant forces in the game. This just kills the spirit of the rest of the server and makes the game noticeably drag in certain areas.
I can live without heroes in their current incarnations.
Da Smookster...
+1 Smookster... +1... eerr 2... w/e!
Totally agree with you. Skill doesnt come from having the best gear/buffs, but from knowing your class and how to play it. This idea you stated Smookster and same class matches are the 2 most logical ideas to hero system. we can only wonder why it hasnt been implemented :confused:
How could one want to post any opinion after Smookster's?
He's **** right.
Also don't forget that a single clan can hijack the hero system as easy as farmers could hijack raid bosses.
The problem is the hero system is broken, because game balance is not where it needs to be.
People are complaining when are heroes going to be fixed, my personal opinion……..
Please remove them for good!!!!
One or 2 powerful character classes can farm points from the server and drop points to clan mates. And I’m sorry to say some classes can not compete unless it is same class vs. same class.
On my server one clan has all but 3 or 4 heroes every time. Even with 5 to 1 odds no one on my server can stand against them. 22+ heroes can dominate 8 or 9 times their numbers.
They run their own farmer groups for funds and do bosses daily / weekly. Several have +12-+16 A grade items.
I play 5 + hours a day and have been playing from open beta. And I’m just now getting to the point where I even compete on a low level again. Pre-c3 was very balanced. From C4 on, the curve has gotten almost where if you’re not in the top 10% you might as well quit…..
New Players don’t want to play this game, because who wants grind for 3 months to 70’s and die in one hit.
At one point until they took away this clans hero power they owned all but 3 castles on our server. Even without hero power they managed to hold off 5 or 6 times their number at aden this weekend. I’m 76/75 and a tank and I died 3 times. An archer hit me for 2500+ 4 times in a row. (The archer don’t need nerfing)
But……..
When the highest HP tank with the most pdef can’t manage to stay alive for more than 1 min unless they use UD and have 77 skill, something’s not working and broken.
Yes I can run into the middle of 22 heroes, UD and AE aggression for the 10 seconds it take them to kill me =/ But then one of them AE fears 100 people and they pick people off like picking up gold.