well in gustin server opinion hierophant > all classes in olympiad, hierophants win amost all classes with more than 90% chances. they are lv 78, with full buffs + prophecy fire , heavy armor mastery, robe mastery, mana burn , block ww , block shield battle heal, lol and to complete boss jewls + draconic bow with focus, also melee weapon with focus or whatever
vs mages, hierophants keep mana burn the mages and in few seconds the mages will have no mp, with elemental protection + resist element + magic barrier + mental aegis the mage will do very low damage without use blessed sps, the hierophant just battle heal himself and mana burn the mage untill mage no mp, cancell? hm, the prophet can buff him self again, hm nuke fast? hum he have so many resistence, silence ?paralise ?, with mental aegis boss jewls , dark resist, magic barrier ur chances are really low, well mages have like 5% chances to win a hierophant
tanks:
prophet can block ww , block shield, and use a draconic bow + imperial crusader to rock the tank
vs archers
again heavy armor, draconic bow + pof + mana burn, + block ww block shield
vs daggers
lol 3 mana burn and the dagger have no mp, then just use a dual sls*tsu for finish the dagger
vs gladiator 78
use mana burn, soon the gladiator have no mp, and with block ww and block shield the gladiator will just cry
vs another healers....
only ptophets have heavy mastery ,haste , acumen etc, block ww+block shield
well the server is waiting doomcryer with cov for try anything vs prophets
i hope prophets get nerfed so bad in interlude, like no more mana burn, no mp fights === ******ed fights, dagger no mp, tank no mp, mages no mp , archers no mp, lol, really trash fights see a prophet very weird with heavy mastery and a bow destroying a big orc lol or a handsome dark avenger,
mana burn === no good fight, maybe make mana burn just work against mages, for the stupid c5 system healers > mages work, but healers > dagger , archers melle , tanks etc, is really stupid, and where in the hell mages > archers lol, archers in olympiad with full boss jewls + focus skill critical a mage like 9/10 for 1k damage, and mages do max 600 damage with this normal sps, daggers 3 hits mages, tyrants dont let the mage move, tanks dont let mages move, lol, hope that mages get more nerfed in interlude, make mages dont do critical magic atk anymore
I found it scary that I actually managed to beat Prophets 3 times out of 3 times, sure this was not an Olympiad fight, but still, I was completly unbuffed she was not ^^.
Guess I got **** lucky with stun :P Usually the prophet had a hard time to knock both my HP/CP regen away, and by the time she spent healing I usually regend up quite a bit.
Plus to counter the 'root' they got, just gonna say, make sure you got a bow yourself.
Sure they got mana burn, thought it burns out a fair amonth of there MP. Then they also gonna need to spend MP on healing them self and the buffs.
But as I should say, this was at lv 72, so not an olympiad fight.
( And note for the coming patch Interlude, you can't sleep target you mana burn :), thoght more an EE, Bishop, nerf )
in olympiadfights my ratio vs hierophants is 50% win 50% loss.
hierophant will manaburn me, when I am out of mana, hierophant goes heavyarmor with dagger (not sure bow is so good, even drak focus)
I lost all the fights where i stayed mage, meaning I was in robes with a mage weapon.
I won all the fights where I also switched to heavy armor (borrowed crusader set) and used soul separator +3 crit SA.
when the fight starts i KNOW i will be out of mana fast (the 100% landrate is just a little bit overpowered) anyway. I dump all my mana in drains and throw in a flamestrike.
When i'm oom and the prohpet goes melee then DC with COV wins, each time i got like 30/40 mana back i turn on soulcry, if the prophet decides to burn it, she looses 1 hit vs me :)
When i later tested in regular arena my own manaburn spell ... well it landed zero times :(
Prophets are disgusting in Olympiad fights if they have all top end game gear. So far I have won 1, lost 2 against prophets, but watching them fight everyone else... its pretty LOL.
u can mana drain my destroyer all you want. i dont need mana for anything. however i do happen to think that mana drain is one of the dumbest skills ever, it is conceptually flawed, no matter how much it does, it doesnt do enough and at the same time does too much.
Or ebil, the mage can silence the hierophant and he's done for, ever think of that? stun shot? something?
Full boss Jewls, buffs and so on... Mages don't even have empower, or can't use blessed shots, so goodluck landing silence. Stun shot will land, but when they are wearing Imp. Crusader, your damage is pretty sad.
Boss jewels are the biggest problem atm in pvp balance.
I dont have any, and i lose fights.
WC can beat me, dagger can beat me, archer can beat me, glad/titan/tyrant can beat me, silence lands on me, root doesnt land much.
But I do agree, that manaburn is pretty overpowered skill, but hell, who is playing life proph anyway. And try life proph in open pvp, and full buffed 1v1 we are the worst class. PvE = buffpets...etc etc...let us have some fun atleast in oly ****....it doesnt change anything about you beeing hero, are you whining just becuase some "healer" can own you?
Guys, what if I have a Dwarf (for Example lvl 78) with it's special skill called "Riposte Stance" and I simply reflect damage the hierophant gives me, or should I say: Ignore the damage??
Or..ok, here is another situation, I go agains Hierophant with Golem. While he does: //erase skill, and has his MP lowered a little bit, I'm running towards him. When he does //manna burn skill or block WW skill or anything like that - I still walk/run in his direction. Finally, if he even erases ALL MY MP, I Still have enough MP for 1 shot with SOUL BOW Cheap SHOT....and the problem is that: he has lower P.def and lower General Amount of Health than Dwarf has. So... what are the chanses???
Besides... how can Prophet do Manna burn on Hell Knight for exaple, if Hell Knight and lot's of Tanks has skill which increases their M.def!? Thus, we can't say that there is 100% chance to drain MP.... But the problem is: will he ever go out from Stun if Hell Knight Reaches him....??
And here is another tactics. If I play for Dark Archer. Can't I simply stun him??? Or do double shot/hex/Power break... ?? Because my Atack speed is faster than Prophet's atack speed... and the RANGE of spell is far LOWER than Archer's shot distant!!!
We can have top gear and weapons and jewels and whatnot, but if the skills don't land (block ww, block shield) and mana burn does crap - erase doesn't erase - then what?
If you want to nerf prophets just for olympiad, well, I hope they don't. Prophets get so little else. Have to be flagged in PvP to try to root, to try any of our meager attempts to protect ourselves. Oh, yeah, we have return 2. Big woo.
archers cant beat prophets, archers dont do damage if a prophet have imperial crusader , buffs:shield, greater shield and POF, mana burn, block shield and block ww untill the archer with draconic bow +3 with focus, 4 boss jewls , and focus buff from sa weapon have no mp, if the prophet hp came to the half that will not happen just battle heal, then start atcking the archer with a draconic bow with focus lol,
about try silence, prophet with zaken + antharas, mental aegis lv 4 , magic barrier, is very awesome vs a spellholer without empower and using normal spirit shot ...., same to necromancer, i think in a battle vs prophet a spellhowler will have 2 chances to try silence, and in the second chance u will have amost no mp, if the second chance sucess u will can nuke 1 more time and the prophet gonna kill u in 4 draconic bow hits.
about overlords , OL will lose all mp in 3 or 4 drains and 3 or 4 mana burn , maybe the ol try a imperial crusader + a draconic bow, but the prophet will have more than half mp and still can battle heal and mana burn
summoners are very hard too, even oenchanted pets will go away with 3 or 4 erases, keep burning the mana of the summoner and when the pet go away , play a bit to the summoner, go hit him with a chrono weapon
about tanks , even dont need mana burn a tank just erase the pet, use block ww block shield and keep hiting him with a bow, his sun will never land if u have zaken + antharas and imperial crusader, maybe a dark avenger with phanter +9 may be a bit annoying but i suggest the prophet 3 hits his panther with a draconic bow if cant erase it, but it always land, just use 3 or 4 erases
the imortal prophets like to wear dark crystal set, arcana mace with acumen , imp crusader shield, draconic bow with focus, imperial crusader set, zaken + baium+ ant queen +antharas + a +3 tateossian necklace and start the fight with crystal staff
in the end the olympiad doesnt show who is the best char of each class, for example the alliance that transfer points to chars that even arent active players and let the friends play his account in the olympiad time get hero , because play 9 matchs win 7 lose 2, against people that play 90 matchs win 65 lose 25, many times the heros are buffbots and inactive players that everone recognize that its not the best char of the class, its very sad this system non class specfic matchs, really dont know why it, first of all noone like to play olympiad 6 hours per day everday, my clan did it in octuber and in the end no heros for 20 days, in november i lost so many nobless that quit the game about it and amost noone want play olympiad , and when we start playing we need fight prophets ... dunno how is going on another clans, but in my clan amost each char that get nobless quit the game after 1 month with nobless, because cant get hero because this stupid system, only people that share accounts are able to play olympiad everday for 6 hours
please tell me if anyclass can win a prophet lv 78 with imp crusader draconic bow and 4 boss jewls
Guys, what if I have a Dwarf (for Example lvl 78) with it's special skill called "Riposte Stance" and I simply reflect damage the hierophant gives me, or should I say: Ignore the damage??
Or..ok, here is another situation, I go agains Hierophant with Golem. While he does: //erase skill, and has his MP lowered a little bit, I'm running towards him. When he does //manna burn skill or block WW skill or anything like that - I still walk/run in his direction. Finally, if he even erases ALL MY MP, I Still have enough MP for 1 shot with SOUL BOW Cheap SHOT....and the problem is that: he has lower P.def and lower General Amount of Health than Dwarf has. So... what are the chanses???
Besides... how can Prophet do Manna burn on Hell Knight for exaple, if Hell Knight and lot's of Tanks has skill which increases their M.def!? Thus, we can't say that there is 100% chance to drain MP.... But the problem is: will he ever go out from Stun if Hell Knight Reaches him....??
And here is another tactics. If I play for Dark Archer. Can't I simply stun him??? Or do double shot/hex/Power break... ?? Because my Atack speed is faster than Prophet's atack speed... and the RANGE of spell is far LOWER than Archer's shot distant!!!
Wow, +1 for complete and utter lack of knowledge of LineageII. I'm not even going to break down how stupid this post is, please leave it to people who know what they are talking about.
all I gotta say is at least prophets are good at SOMETHING.
not to mention in order to be good in olympiad they need the following gear:
Arcana robes
DC robes
arcana mace /acumen
IC heavy
Angel slayer /haste
AQ
Baium
Antharas
Zaken
they also have to be 78.
gl.
and a focus drac is barely decent vs mages, mage classes have such low accuracy with it, however PoF gives some accuracy, so you can acually hit mages with a shield with it, sometimes.
Hey Ebil now you know what its like for the rest of us who pvp you with your "legit" buffers on a daily basis, quit your moaning and deal with it like we do. Just because people have got up to your level and now you are getting your rump handed to you on a plate gives you no reason to cry.
1st off, stop being so angry, you brought this on yourself by telling us you'd take all heros away from our alliance this month.
2nd, you have two of your own lvl 78 noble heirophants that you try so desperately to use in the olympiad, however fail in doing so - maybe if you removed the antharas, zaken's, aq, and baium ring from your spellsinger and gave them to your other prophet then you guys would fair a little bit better.
3rd, after we ***** all your olympiad points this month you started signing your prophets, however, you just fail with them - don't hate the class, hate the player.
And finally, you cry about classes taking hero who clearly aren't the best or who are buffers etc.
Lets look at the heros who clearly aren't the best in your alliance who have had or will have hero.
Goju - worst bishop ever, tbh cecella should get this
Frees/Dewmonya - your two lvl 78 prophets - neither of which are active last i checked! (yet at the end of last month you worked overtime to stack dew last minute to take hero from our active prophet who had just gotten noble, gj)
Eurybi - worst swordsinger ever, also not active from what you say.
coolbaby07 - farmer SE hero ftw
coolbaby08 - farmer BH hero ftw
coolbaby11 - farmer SH hero ftw
I'm sure there's more but you get the hint!
I'm sorry that you're not winning so you cry, lets not forget how you used to exploit the olympiad before the patch. Have 5 people signed, if you didn't receive 4 counts you'd leave them all overweight except for your 78 gladiator in full boss jewels and an IC heavy set. If you got all the counts you wanted everyone would drop an item on the ground and enter for point transfers, leaving your weaker classes untouchable as far as point stacking went.
Now all of a sudden stuff isn't going your way so you cry your eyes out - get over it. You lost your hero's this month because you thought you were something more than you really are, I hope this opened your eyes a bit. Oh and gf!
BTW - Lyrene says: WTS 372 Olympiad points, pm him for more info
I swear first it was nerf prophets in OB because they beat all other classes in selfbuffed fights.. next it was everyone and their grandma getting a 2nd account so they too could have prophet buffs all the time.. which nerfed live prophets because soloing costs so much in gear (heavy + robes+ weapons+jewels+SS+bSPS) that is for those who dont just solo all the time.. which is just need heavy and cheap robes.. but for those like me who solo / and group.. need to have the robes and heavy armor.. plus everything else..
People who play PP for just a buffbot, who dont solo it alot, who dont PVP with it.. shouldnt talk about nerfing anything. infact they shouldnt talk at all, becuase most of them turn out to be the OMG my ubermain was nerfed time to reroll to next flavor of the month class..
Used to be you couldnt find a prophet.. then its like prophet invasion but 95% are buffbots.. alt accounts used to buff everyone, they normaly have the acumen weapon, and some kind of robes.. spend most of the time sitting around outa party regening..
Live prophets.. truly live prophets.. DONT like to sit all the time.. heck I would rather fight then sit around all day.
now say I dont know how to play other classes.. surprise your wrong, I do have a tank, a archer, and a SH. all into 2nd class.
im sure they could say I dont know how to play a lvl 78 SH.. and they would be right.. but. just because someone played a lvl 56 PP or even lvled one up dualboxed to 56.. DOES not make them experts on prophets.
I say.. nerf everyone outside of olymiad to give a prophet a fair fight outside of that.. oh wait those melee / tanks / archers / nukers cant live without their buffbots for full buffs.. you know full buffs of everything from PP they need and toss in BD dances, and SS songs then any summoner buffs.. also they have to be in the perfect all archer 1 BD 1 SS party with outside buffs / heals.. or all nuker party with SE/BD maybe SS... etc etc.. yeh.. nerf prophets for Olympiad..
NO THANKS we are nerfed enough as it is. I just hope interlude makes my WORD OF FEAR work on Players.. the one skill I know I would enjoy useing in mass pvp..
Everyone who said that any class / some class has a decent chance against a stacked prophet is a complete ******. And there are many of you in this thread (you dont have experience in the olympiad against a knowledgable/ well equipped prophet.) Also, everything I say is 100% truth, which also proves me to be right. Thank you.
Everyone who said that any class / some class has a decent chance against a stacked prophet is a complete ******. And there are many of you in this thread (you dont have experience in the olympiad against a knowledgable/ well equipped prophet.) Also, everything I say is 100% truth, which also proves me to be right. Thank you.
as much as thats a joke its also true
if you havnt been in the olympiad you really cant say
but it does freak me out hearing ppl say "man i hope i fight a spellsinger or necro this time instead of another overpowered prophet"
also they have to be in the perfect all archer 1 BD 1 SS party with outside buffs / heals.. or all nuker party with SE/BD maybe SS... etc etc.. yeh.. nerf prophets for Olympiad..
NO THANKS we are nerfed enough as it is.
Why do people contridict themselves in the same lines? "have to be in perfect party with *various buffs listed*." Generally, this is the prophets job. Then you say youre nerfed enough as it is. Actually sport, what youre saying is prophets are a key component to making a perfect party. And that youre upset because the characters who have natural passives for offense do much better with these buffs. This is of course true and what makes up the teamplay factor of the game. However, you cant compare this to a 1v1 self buffed scenario. The olympiad proves if nothing else, that prophets are the most essential class (granted the equipment factor). They will win any self buffed 1v1 95% of the time. The issue here isnt which class is the most fun to play in your average pvp. Im sure a warsmith isnt the most enjoyable class to play in pvp either. However, you need them for crafts. But the issue isnt crafts, or not nerfing prophet because youre not fun enough. Its "Subject: Re: How to beat a prophet in olympiad?"
well the only classes with more range than prophets are mages and archers
even those guys cant keep out of range forever in the tiny space that is the olympiad
also prophets will have more run speed than 90% of classes (possibly all classes with the right build)
Of course, unfortunately, the one who provides 'perfect buffs' to a party at higher level is the WC, not the PP - but carry on. :p
Nice PvE buffs. The only big up they have is COV has some more offensive abilities than POF. However, the prophet is still getting haste/pdef/focus and upped hp which doesnt matter much. What really makes the difference, is the fact that he can clear the WC's mana out and heal himself. Not to mention, prophets have more defensive abilities than WC.
PoF doesnt have focus/dw effect , CoV does...+ acu/emp/mdef/healeffect/...and its easy to buff ...so WC is **** better buffer (at 78lvls) than proph.
I was fighting PW in oly...and he did few blows untill i burned him mp, and he was just running around and in that 4minutes i wasnt able to hit him w/ my dracobow , so he won...but i dont have bossjeweleries, maybe w/ those it would be different...but he dont have any afaik too
root doesnt work in oly in 90% cases...everoyne has mental aegis SA buffstick, antiroot boss jewelery and Narem had nm light...root just doesnt work
and PW w/ block shield is still fast enough especialy if I have pof on me
kay, i know why, but what should I do, i was trying to get a hit in melee range (not possible), trying to root him (not possible), trying to hit him w/ bow (not possible)...ill nuke him w/ windstrike and hope for some uber crit next time
Well our prophet puts IC on and tanks the daggers blow. If the dagger is lucky, he might crack his CP. Shortly after his mana is gone, hes block shielded and beat to submission in a under 30 seconds if he doesnt flee. Having problems hitting with a drac bow? Hi accuracy. Boss jewels will help here too. A boost in dex can as well. Our prophet has a +11 meteor shower with focus for them though. Lol @ evasion~
As for the post about archers, they can win. They have the better chance too. If the guy isnt tweaking his dex and/or using boss jewels, its gonna be a problem. But odds in no way favor the archer.
A good archer will win, SR is best but PR can win too HE have abit of a disadvantage I think. You just shoot and kite, and UE right away (you'll pretty much be shooting with mp you regen as you kite). Its simple but works and archers win 99% of the time if they have proper jewels and gear and don't suck.
WC has 50% chance with proper gear as well open with robe setup spam dots and drains till mp is gone switch to drac bow or FB focus and go toe to toe. WC hits hella harder and has VR if he tries to melee you. I can go into more detail if you really need but have your archers try and you can beat prophets NP, I suggest training a WC though since archers lose to every other class there is pretty much. (Though WC lose to alot of classes too now)
Sorry to offend you Kronine but your a [censored]. You need to watch some experienced 78 Prophets in the Olympiad. With the right gear and boss jeweles they win 90% of all the matches. We have many 78 archers in their pimped in the best gear and the boss jewels. PP can win most matches. Archers win alot but no where near as much as you make it out to be. Our PP beats the tar out of people most fights in the Olympiad.
please tell me if anyclass can win a prophet lv 78 with imp crusader draconic bow and 4 boss jewls
level 78 titan with a 2h blunt chrono, in imperial crusader armor. oh, and a drac bow +focus. i am assuming, however, that the prophet isnt running some sort of cheater program so they can see the hp of the destroyer. omg cheaters are overpowered, nerf them NC!
ffs, how about people who know what the [censored] they are talking about only respond in this thread. KingdomofCoin, you obviously have no clue what your talking about.
Isn't the whole Idea of a rare, unique and hard to get item supposed to be overpowered ?!
No, because then certain people who just happened to get lucky will have an enormous advantage simply because they got lucky and for no other reason. And if they are very rare, no one else can hope to match the cheesiness of their one lucky moment.
If its rare let it be rare and a status symbol and epeen extender, but let it not be overpowering.
Isn't the whole Idea of a rare, unique and hard to get item supposed to be overpowered ?!
No, because then certain people who just happened to get lucky will have an enormous advantage simply because they got lucky and for no other reason. And if they are very rare, no one else can hope to match the cheesiness of their one lucky moment.
If its rare let it be rare and a status symbol and epeen extender, but let it not be overpowering.
You make no sense sir! How do you get lucky on landing boss jewls? Usually the people who have them, have them for a reason.