Abyss Walker & B Grade Armor

Is there really any point to switching from Plate Leather to Leather Armor of Doom?

I'd gain higher crit, higher p.def, faster attack speed and movement speed, and a click more evasion.

But I'd lose 70 - 80 points in p.atk. PVE, is it really worth it?

Can anyone think of a valid reason to upgrade from PL to LOAD? Appreciate your input in advance.

Doom Light sucks, I have no idea why people wear it, cause DEX increase is hardly noticeable.

If you would want to go for BG Light, Zubei and BW comes to mind.

I roll with Zubei, still at 63 I use Zubei and will use it till im 76 I think if I manage to +6 my set for the m.def bonus and evasion bonus. It's really all you need, most classes you'll run into will be a nuker or an archer, so having those 2 bonuses only seems logical. You can + your CON and DEX with dyes. I'm doing for a -STR +DEX and +CON setup soon. But thats me, I want as much evasion as possible, and as much m.def as possible.

I ran into an equal level BD (suprise! not a nuker or archer)a week ago who jut had a hell of a time trying to hit me.

Doom Light sucks

All of the B and A grade light armors look suspect. I hate that mage classes get essentially the same great robe bonus choices at every level, but the melee classes get good armor bonuses at some grades and terrible armor choices at others.

If you would want to go for BG Light, Zubei and BW comes to mind.

I don't see the merits of BW Light based on the bonus. Please explain.

Zubei gives +4 Evasion. But I have SE buffs and VR at all times. At C and B grade, I can't think of any mobs that would make me want to increase my evasion. The bonus is ok, but weighing that against +4 STR of Plate Leather, I'd have to pick the PL set...for the same reasons why I chose it over Mith Set, Drake, etc.

Yep, looks like I'll stick with the PL. Too bad the designers didn't create a B grade version of this armor. Sigh. :(

I roll with Zubei, still at 63 I use Zubei and will use it till im 76 I think if I manage to +6 my set for the m.def bonus and evasion bonus. It's really all you need, most classes you'll run into will be a nuker or an archer, so having those 2 bonuses only seems logical. You can + your CON and DEX with dyes. I'm doing for a -STR +DEX and +CON setup soon. But thats me, I want as much evasion as possible, and as much m.def as possible.

I ran into an equal level BD (suprise! not a nuker or archer)a week ago who jut had a hell of a time trying to hit me.

Yeah, when I get to A grade and PVP, I'll definitely shelve the Plate Leather Set. I see quite a few daggers running around in heavy armor at A grade. Imagine that.

I used PL untill 61, where I switched to DC light. worked fine, wouldent want to use any other armors.

BW Light adds P Def and +3 Men lets your MP regen faster, give you more MP for skills and a bit more M Def, thats decent as bonus.

Zubei is indeed about the evasion bonus, personally I think its worth it, cause it has no down sides to it.

Plated Leather will soon start to lack P Def, for example on my HE i used Drake till lvl 56 where I switched to BW and now Majestic.

PLeather is for daggers that will always be in group and never tanking. :p

I'm not disliking my Doom light that much, though I'll be happier in DC (assuming I can succeed the crafts).

I went up to Doom because I group semi-infrequently and was getting my *** handed to me in PL at lv52. But I can always get my PL back I sold it to a friend cheap and he still has it.

Finally made it to 52 last night on the AW. Went to Schuttgart, EV, and Outlaw Forest to compare the PL and LAOD sets to see if maybe I was wrong about LAOD.

The goods:

LAOD: +6 top/bottom, +3 boots, gloves & sky
PL Set: +6 top, +6 bottom, +4 boots, +3 Doom gloves & sky
+10 Kris
+5 STR, +4 DEX, -9 CON


(Before anyone comments, this is a solo PVE DD build with a buffbot to complement...designed purely to level quickly. Not trying to PVP with this setup or tank a raid boss. :))

What I like about the Doom is the speed with which I get to the mobs and the attack speed. The extra pdef was noticeable, but with VR my HP never drops below 75% in PL anyway with multiple aggro...so I considered that a wash. There wasn't a significant difference in the number of crits, despite the +3 DEX that LAOD gives.

Primarily because of the SE buffs, the PL more than holds it's own. I deliver much more damage per hit, which made for more XP at the end of a buff round then with LAOD.

Yep, I'm sticking with the PL Set. At least until A grade.

We'll take up this discussion again next week when I get to 61, where the two options will be Tallum Heavy (because I already have it) and DC Light (because I only need to craft the gaiters to complete that set).

I used PL untill 61, where I switched to DC light. worked fine, wouldent want to use any other armors.

I like the bonus on DC Light. I just don't like the LOOK of DC Light. That is no way to dress an assassin!

By the way, Maline, from another post which I'm too lazy to search for...

I can confirm that with Demon Set and a sufficiently OE'd weapon, a mage can 2 shot White and Green mobs without Empower at level 60+ using Death Spike. With Blessed shots, of course. Took the SH out on a stroll last night with a +14 Homu that I recently made (176 m.atk -- a bit more m.atk than a +5 SOM) and didn't need the SE buffs. In fact, with Shadow Flare, I could one shot quite a few of the greens in VOS, Forbidden Gateway and the Devestated Castle areas.

I'll keep that in mind next time I happen to pull out my +14 homu...I think its right next to my +20 Draconic Bow.

I'll keep that in mind next time I happen to pull out my +14 homu...I think its right next to my +20 Draconic Bow.

Give me the enchant scrolls and I might just make one for ya. :D