Soulbow SA : quick recovery or cheap shot

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I'd like to know, for a normal player (few PVP lot of pex), will i get more fun with quick recovery on my soul bow in PVP, or pexing with cheap shot ?
I mean... Does quick recovery worse the sacrifice of no-break pexing session ?

I'd like to know, for a normal player (few PVP lot of pex), will i get more fun with quick recovery on my soul bow in PVP, or pexing with cheap shot ?
I mean... Does quick recovery worse the sacrifice of no-break pexing session ?



If you hunt in areas with herbs, then you have to use your skills all the time to get lack of MP. Quick Recovery all the way imo.
go quick recovery, what class are you?
PvP~QR
PvE~CS
you don't need to get CS now, with all the herbs dropping

PvP~QR
PvE~CS



Outdated, herbs anyone?
You don't get Herbs in alot of places that you party in. Quick Recovery only really affects your skills like stun shot. Since most of your time will be PvE, get Cheap Shot then work on getting enough funds for a Quick Recovery Bow for PvP if you can afford it. Running out of mp all the time and running to pickup herbs gets annoying when you solo. I have a +7 Soul Bow w/QR and with CS. I feel I have enough time with both to give you the correct choice.
QR
For my part I lean toward CS. As an archer before herbs came out it was never really efficient to use your skills...even with CS you would eventually run out of mana...

Now with CS AND herbs you can stay full all the time and sometimes throw in a double shot or something just for the heck of it....makes playing the class a lot more fun when you're grinding...and let's face it...you'll spend a lot of time grinding.

The other thing is this. I used a soul bow from 61 to 77 to grind with....it worked fine from a PvP stand-point on those occassions that I wanted to use it as such...and I think everyone would agree that a draconic bow/focus is a far cry better for PvP than a soul bow/QR.

The idea of having a grinding weapon and a PvP weapon is a fine one if you can afford it at some point...but I wouldn't bother with 2 Soul Bows....you just don't need the QR bad enough to bother with.

As LollyPop mentioned your skills like Stun shot and such will see a noticed improvement with QR...but with the exception of 1v1 PvP it doesn't matter a ton...your mana pool isn't big enough to chain-spam skills at a siege, group PvP needs your crits more than it needs your piddly attempts to stun once it gets going...and with Rapid Shot and Haste2 you should be able to get a couple shots off without QR in the time it will still take you to use your stun shot and get it back to try again with it...

1v1...you'll see a difference there no doubt about it...and with QR you might be able to get a second stun shot off against a Sorc or spellhowler if the first one fails...if it fails on a necro or an SpS, you're dead anyway....archers will have the same decision you do, depending on your race you can kite most everything else except a good TH or a tyrant...and both of them will kill you anyway.

SwS will catch you...but probably can't kill you...and you're going to have a tough time killing them unless they were too stupid to pop deflect arrow.

All of this is my opinion of course...there are a ton of threads arguing for and against this class vs. that in PvP...bottom line to my long winded post is this...you just don't have an application for QR often enough to spend the 100+ mil on a lvl 12 crystal....get CS...get some use out of it...and get a drac/focus when you have money to blow.
I have played in archer partys a lot with my TH, and at least if you have a soulbow, your MP will drain fast without CS. solo or small groups in the fields may work with QR, but no it pagans or pytans or toi. you will be out of mana "fast" and will need to sit or use a dagger.

go quick recovery, what class are you?



Silver Ranger

Does QR affect both skill and general attack or only skills ?
And what about using a soul bow with QR and a tallum set wich increase MP recovery speed ?

And about getting one bow with CS and an other one with QR i would say "lol" :p i had to do lv40 -> 64 with C grade gears / D grade jewels to get that bow... I think when i'll have enough adena/mats to get a second one, it'll be time to get a Draconic bow with focus ^^

Well, i think i'll get critical bleed... no, just joking...
QR makes you shoot faster because of shorter reuse time between shots. So more DPS.

The way I see it, only SR would benefit from CS in C5. PR and HE got body to mind that works great. Add herbs and MP elixirs.

Cheap Shot is outdated for A-grade at least, I'd still go CS on C-grade, but once you get into PVP you want a PVP oriented SA.
It all depends on the place where you normally fight at. If you PvE in a place without herbs, get CS. If you do, get QR.

QR does not make you fire stun shot faster. It does not allow you to use stun shot faster either.
It should lower reuse time on skills too.. but I've never tested so could be wrong on that.

It should lower reuse time on skills too.. but I've never tested so could be wrong on that.



It lowers reuse time, and lets you shoot your arrows faster, yet is not inflicting attack speed ;)

For my part I lean toward CS. As an archer before herbs came out it was never really efficient to use your skills...even with CS you would eventually run out of mana...

Now with CS AND herbs you can stay full all the time and sometimes throw in a double shot or something just for the heck of it....makes playing the class a lot more fun when you're grinding...and let's face it...you'll spend a lot of time grinding.

The other thing is this. I used a soul bow from 61 to 77 to grind with....it worked fine from a PvP stand-point on those occassions that I wanted to use it as such...and I think everyone would agree that a draconic bow/focus is a far cry better for PvP than a soul bow/QR.

The idea of having a grinding weapon and a PvP weapon is a fine one if you can afford it at some point...but I wouldn't bother with 2 Soul Bows....you just don't need the QR bad enough to bother with.

As LollyPop mentioned your skills like Stun shot and such will see a noticed improvement with QR...but with the exception of 1v1 PvP it doesn't matter a ton...your mana pool isn't big enough to chain-spam skills at a siege, group PvP needs your crits more than it needs your piddly attempts to stun once it gets going...and with Rapid Shot and Haste2 you should be able to get a couple shots off without QR in the time it will still take you to use your stun shot and get it back to try again with it...

1v1...you'll see a difference there no doubt about it...and with QR you might be able to get a second stun shot off against a Sorc or spellhowler if the first one fails...if it fails on a necro or an SpS, you're dead anyway....archers will have the same decision you do, depending on your race you can kite most everything else except a good TH or a tyrant...and both of them will kill you anyway.

SwS will catch you...but probably can't kill you...and you're going to have a tough time killing them unless they were too stupid to pop deflect arrow.

All of this is my opinion of course...there are a ton of threads arguing for and against this class vs. that in PvP...bottom line to my long winded post is this...you just don't have an application for QR often enough to spend the 100+ mil on a lvl 12 crystal....get CS...get some use out of it...and get a drac/focus when you have money to blow.



Everything here is 100% correct. I would seriously not waste your money into QR at all. Only reason I had suggested 2 bows is IF you had the money to do so. Considering you spend 95% of your time in this game xping vs PvPing then CS would fare you much better then QR. In mass PvP you won't be using your skills such as stun shot that much anyways. Get Soul Bow w/CS then start saving ur pennies for Drac Bow w/Focus.
Well... i think i'll get CS then...

You don't get Herbs in alot of places that you party in. Quick Recovery only really affects your skills like stun shot. Since most of your time will be PvE, get Cheap Shot then work on getting enough funds for a Quick Recovery Bow for PvP if you can afford it. Running out of mp all the time and running to pickup herbs gets annoying when you solo. I have a +7 Soul Bow w/QR and with CS. I feel I have enough time with both to give you the correct choice.



Shows how much you know. QR affects normal arrow reload time (the red bar), not skills.
Orly? Shoot an NPC for exactly 1 minute with QR bow and non-QR bow. Write down the results of how many arrows each. Then stun shot the NPC till you run out of mp for each, write down time it took then come back here and post. See which one had more of an effect.
ya rly.

anyway w/e, soul bow is a piece of crap.

and I know I'm right.

ya rly.

anyway w/e, soul bow is a piece of crap.

and I know I'm right.



If people really want a Soul Bow, isn't that their own right to do so ;)

Personally I would never get a Soul bow on my HE but hey that saves me money for the bow I do use...
Ahh, yes Soul bow sucks.. I can't use a Very slow bows, too sluggish. I used a Carnage until I got Draconic bow.

Ahh, yes Soul bow sucks.. I can't use a Very slow bows, too sluggish. I used a Carnage until I got Draconic bow.



It's what I am doing myself, I give up the extra P Attk for speed anytime.
But carnage's SA really really sux... exept mana up : it sux a bit less but it sux...
If carnage bow could have a good SA, i'd buy it...

Umm somone know MP consuption of carnage and soul bow per shot ?
IIRC 9mp for Carnage and 10mp for Soul bow.

Mana up is a decent SA.. but nothing like Quick recovery or focus.. too bad the new top A bow in Interlude will be very slow as well.
That's a low end S grade bow......
it's top a. current top a is reduced to mid.
So what's the Soul Crystal level gonna be? There gonna be a level 12.5 Soul Crystal for those? Or is S Grade gonna be 14 and top A 13?
12
thx