Bumping a thread is not a way to get an answer. :p But I will answer the question -- we currently do not have plans to implement server transfers. However, we are still open to discussion on this topic and always interested to hear your opinions. Thank you!
Bumping a thread is not a way to get an answer. :p But I will answer the question -- we currently do not have plans to implement server transfers. However, we are still open to discussion on this topic and always interested to hear your opinions. Thank you!
Most people know by now that koreans have server transfer.. Does this mean that NCNA have to add it sooner or later or can you guys choose to not add it at all?
And any news on name change and transfer character bewtween accounts? Same thing with this, korean has it but what about NCNA?
yea koreans get alot more stuff than us because were not the main market for L2, however the server transfer thing is needed alot more and makes more sense to do in NCNA because of the lack of people on some of the servers.
yea koreans get alot more stuff than us because were not the main market for L2, however the server transfer thing is needed alot more and makes more sense to do in NCNA because of the lack of people on some of the servers.
Other then not the same events (most of the times it is, just abit later) and that anti-hacker thing they got I can't recall anything they have but we don't or won't get.
And please don't say interlude or something outside the game..
That would be the first I hear of that that's not a completely unfounded rumour, if there was a source for 'knowing' this - not saying it ain't true, but I do remember that people recently went gaga over account transfer thinking it was server transfer when it was not.
Koreans have had transfers for a while not. Everytime NC even hints at it on the NA server the forums are flooded with people vehemently opposed to them.
Koreans have had transfers for a while not. Everytime NC even hints at it on the NA server the forums are flooded with people vehemently opposed to them.
Koreans have had transfers for a while not. Everytime NC even hints at it on the NA server the forums are flooded with people vehemently opposed to them.
By people who it wouldnt affect at all mosly..
Just because I wouldn't use it doesn't mean I wouldn't be affected by it.
Nope. I'd be more worried about people coming through, griefing lower level characters and then switching to yet another server. While this might not be the case in Korea, it most assuredly would be the case in the US. Mostly because of the number of children with no sense who play this game. I live in the US, so I think I can state this type of opinion.
At this point there are high level [censored] on all servers...and if they want to spent a lot of money on jumping back and forth, then let them, maybe it can pay for some ads for the game finally :p
Elronhir is just afraid I'd transfer over to his server and PK him over and over again.
Being affected does not mean I'm scared of it. Nice reply, though. Shows you cannot make an intelligent response.
How funny, all you say is no but no argument for why you would say no.. And you are telling me to make an intelligent response..
Nope. I'd be more worried about people coming through, griefing lower level characters and then switching to yet another server. While this might not be the case in Korea, it most assuredly would be the case in the US. Mostly because of the number of children with no sense who play this game. I live in the US, so I think I can state this type of opinion.
Say no to server transfers.
This is a easy fix, make it so you can transfer once every 5 months or so and it will cost some money.. Im sure people won't be switching servers to just grief every 5 months..
You're the one making the assertion that we need this. Prove it.
Where did I say we need it? I want it cause it would give me and my alliance a new challange in this game. There would be new people to fight that probably would be around the same level and such as my alliance. New goals to meet and more fun for us and whoever we would have to fight.
Couldnt an alliance of high level people go to a server, dominate its castle ownership then somehow allow one of their "owned" clans take ownership so the alliance can go do the same thing on the other servers? Does anyone see this as a great monopoly of adena making?
Couldnt an alliance of high level people go to a server, dominate its castle ownership then somehow allow one of their "owned" clans take ownership so the alliance can go do the same thing on the other servers? Does anyone see this as a great monopoly of adena making?
And then lose the castle when the ally transfer again(an alt clan can't protect a castle)? And like I said before, if you make it so you can only transfer once every 5 months or so.. I doubt anyone would transfer for that reason..
Another argument is the euros that started playing in prelude but have to stick with really bad siege/olympiad/event times..
Mec don't even listen to Elwhore. He is a non factor in our server and he is in a non factor alliance. All he dose is agree with gm's so when the PTS comes around hes gets the first peak :).
server transfers have thier good points, and thier bad... yes, you could move a character to a server with more suitable siege times yay! but, that character could also be carrying lets say 10 maje helms which he purchased on -his- server for 30mil each, yet on -your- server they usually sell for 120mil... and it doesnt have to be top A things either, or 1 character at a time. this could seriously change both server's economies quite a bit.
doesnt have to be economical either, how many of you played on the PTS and witnessed the server wars? what do you think would happen to some poor fool who transfered to a server for better siege times or better ping and it was full of idiots who did nothing but harrass him for building his character on the "wrong server". and he would be stuck there for 5 months!
server transfers have thier good points, and thier bad... yes, you could move a character to a server with more suitable siege times yay! but, that character could also be carrying lets say 10 maje helms which he purchased on -his- server for 30mil each, yet on -your- server they usually sell for 120mil... and it doesnt have to be top A things either, or 1 character at a time. this could seriously change both server's economies quite a bit.
doesnt have to be economical either, how many of you played on the PTS and witnessed the server wars? what do you think would happen to some poor fool who transfered to a server for better siege times or better ping and it was full of idiots who did nothing but harrass him for building his character on the "wrong server". and he would be stuck there for 5 months!
Sure there is bad points with server transfer but I think the good ones makes up for the bad ones.. Im sure some people would make some adena out of it, just like people do when there is a new chronicle out. But in the long run the prices on stuff would balance out to be almost the same on all servers.
There is no way you can compare PTS to server transfer, people dont care on PTS but they sure as hell care on live.
people are people :p the way you behave dictates the kind of person you are, doesnt matter where... and i think if it was a well developed clan of lets say 50 people vs 2-3 individuals, the ugliness would come out again one way or another. tell me you haven't seen that kind of behaviour in a clan war, or a particular clan giving 'special attention' to an ex-member they felt was a traitor? it may not be as widespread as on PTS but the general stupidity and animosity would affect the fun factor greatly i think.
people are people :p the way you behave dictates the kind of person you are, doesnt matter where... and i think if it was a well developed clan of lets say 50 people vs 2-3 individuals, the ugliness would come out again one way or another. tell me you haven't seen that kind of behaviour in a clan war, or a particular clan giving 'special attention' to an ex-member they felt was a traitor? it may not be as widespread as on PTS but the general stupidity and animosity would affect the fun factor greatly i think.
I disagree, people can behave like [censored] ingame and be really nice in general.. They play for fun and they have fun being an [censored] from time to time..
I just dont see a problem with pvp/pk in this game.. And its rather easy to avoid it these days if you want to..
Saying no to server transfer just cause you are scared of a few that might come to your server and pk you once or twice I suggest people should think over it again..
Mec don't even listen to Elwhore. He is a non factor in our server and he is in a non factor alliance. All he dose is agree with gm's so when the PTS comes around hes gets the first peak :).
I do not have the will to move to a new server and start at level 1. I would change games first, the grind is such that is way out of the question for me. And I bet most casual gamers like me feel the same way. L2 does not seem to cater to casual folks much, but long term these are the folks that play a game for several years. I played M59 for 4 years, UO for 5 years and moved to lineage2 when it came out with the same though that I would play for several years. UO also went though this stage, but they merged servers several times over the years. I don’t get the impression L2 would do mergers.
I play maybe 2 to 3 hours if I’m lucky a day. I’m not a power-gamer or a Teen/college student with 10 hours on weekends to grind grind grind. I have one computer and I play for the stress relief, because my RL job as a manager of sorts is stressful.
I like the game, but for me the draw is other players, sieges, PvP, and clan dynamics. My server (seig) is dead, because simply put all the power-gamers are in one clan and the server does not have the levels or numbers to overcome 25 heroes, so my server is vanishing. I know of 25+ that have moved to WoW or given up on L2 simply because they can’t compete on a casual gamer’s time schedule.
The issue for me is we all pay $14.99 Casual, Pro-Power-Gamer, Teen and College. Yet to this point L2 has not realized long term casual players will be here for years as long as the game is run right. Look at M59 and UO as examples the residual players for years outweigh the 6months-1year and one month-run-back and forth update players.
Some folks in this tread put in some interesting thoughts and this would be my answers to their ideas:
1) I’d pay $50 to server transfer because my server is dead, and this fee would negate in my mind undesirables doing it daily or monthly. It also would add to the income of the game to keep this game fresh.
2) I think most of the folks I know would agree to a limiting of the amount of items that could be moved from one server to another. (example: only the set of armor and equipment equipped and adena on the toon would be moved)
3) And lastly name changes only if an exact match existed would your name change and use the namechange101 system already in place. Unless you all wanted to do what UO did and let folks pay $10 extra after a server move & and a name change. But even then your still using the namechange101.
yes to server transfers
yes to account transfers
yes to name change
yes to relaxed servers
in a few words, yes to everything !
L2 servers need new blood, new active players. give choices to players and motivate 'em to come and taste the game.
Oddly enough, we seem to have a pretty steady flow of real new players just to our clan.
I think the economic repercussions would simply make server transfer unfair. If high level alliances are looking for a challenge, they can simply split and fight themselves - makes for the best drama there is, too. Of course the ability to 'clean' your name with a simple hop when you might be a known whatever on your home server is also stupid - 'I didn't ebay this gear, I worked for it hard on [wherever].'
Server transfers? Yes, but only if they mean a severe (and permanent) hit to your wealth.
Here is one suggestion that i know will not please everyone but could help some people.
Make sever transfers to servers that is " dying out " or what people call them.
But i am sry to say i dont think they should have transfers to every server from any server.
As then the low population servers will soon be all empty and the crowded once will be ram packed.
I always vote yes for server transfers. There will always be vocal opposition to something new but once a done deal then it's a done deal. But if server wars ever happen then there might be no need for server transfers. Imagine going to a gatekeeper and hop into another server? You get logged out but when you log back in you go to the new server.
Here is one suggestion that i know will not please everyone but could help some people.
Make sever transfers to servers that is " dying out " or what people call them.
But i am sry to say i dont think they should have transfers to every server from any server.
As then the low population servers will soon be all empty and the crowded once will be ram packed.
And then people on the jampacked servers will get tired of griefing and fighting over spots/castles/prestige/etc. and transfer to low population servers.
For some people, the option to transfer the Server, is the only (realistic) way to come together. Like my clan, splittet between Bartz and Teon :/
Without Server Transfer, our clan cant come together anymore. I agree that restarting at a new Server is allways possible .... in theory, but in reality it is a dream and stays a dream ...
However, a Server Transfer would be great ... even if it costs a few dollars.
I'm not sure about Character server transfer, but i'd certainly like to see Items server transfer, i miss my Dual +6 Knight Swords here on Lionna, and once i'm C-Grade i know i'll miss my Dual +4 Raid Swords even more :confused:
That's the thing though - you didn't earn them on Lionna, under Lionna circumstances.
I'd have a full BW robe set waiting for me if I could transfer servers - far from fair, considering how much easier it was to get on Devianne than on Lionna.
Hm yes, you're right, i didnt really think about that, it's true that the economy isnt the same on each server, so then some people would reroll on another server just to get easier stuff...
Ok, but i still miss my Swords :p
The thing I don't like about this idea is: There are some players who mis-behave so badly they end up having to start over on another server. It is good that those kind of players have to start over from scratch. Most of the policing in this game is done by the servers, and I'd rather not take away the apin of a server transfer.
FYI, until I became aware that some players were having to move around servers because of their bad behaviour, I was also in favor of making server transfers easier.
but, that character could also be carrying lets say 10 maje helms which he purchased on -his- server for 30mil each, yet on -your- server they usually sell for 120mil... and it doesnt have to be top A things either, or 1 character at a time. this could seriously change both server's economies quite a bit.
Yes, he could, but considering helmets on that server cost 120 mil, he would have need to spend 1.5 bil on S weapon instead of 400 mil (as on his "original" server) and the effect of selling helmets would be nullified.
I would have to agree with Demon-Knight.... I have alts on Sieg (my AW), and I see exactly the problems there. I have friends with 70+ toons there and they have essentialy left the game and gone to WoW. But if they could transfer there toons to a more "even" populated server such as where my mains are on Lionna, they would rejoin the game to move here to where there is a more even spread of power among alliances. Yes, with server transfers that power spread could change <shrugs> such is life. So.. Yes you would have some changes in servers, but eventualy things would settle down. And I agree also that they should only be able to carry what they wear, and adena... with nothing else for such a transfer. This way it would minimaly affect the economy of the server there transfering too.
A new server might be interesting and won't affect the economy of an old one.
I actually missed those when teon - later franz - opened up. I would've moved.
But as it is right now I'm for an official survey with the following choices:
If a new server would open up
- I would transfer all of my characters of a server of my choice to the new server
- I would transfer all of my characters of a server of my choice to the new server with euro times.
- I would not transfer
- I would transfer all of my characters of a server of my choice to an already running server of my choice.
- I would transfer all of my charactesr of a server of my choice to an already running server of my choice with euro times.
On the other hand, if server transfer then with conditions:
1.) Paid service
2.) Transfer penalty (xx time until next transfer possible)
2.1.) alternative: one-way-ticket only
3.) Set amount of max. cash (like 10m)
4.) Only the equipped items to be transfered
Why am pro transfers?
Simply put, I'm not that much of a powergamer and for those there isn't much left on Kain. At least for my playtime. I'd like a litte bit of a start over for the community. As mentioned, I would move to teon or franz.
Od Of course the ability to 'clean' your name with a simple hop when you might be a known whatever on your home server is also stupid - 'I didn't ebay this gear, I worked for it hard on [wherever].
I'm pretty uneducated on this subject... but a thought occurred to me: Would it work to have the requests for server transfers be posted somewhere? Then they would be public knowledge and the known scammers etc etc could be also made public. Don't know if this is a good/bad/viable option.
Copied from another thread...since there are so many on the topic you would think NCSOFT would get the hint...
"Well account transfers are just stupid...they serve no point and don't compete with any other game account feature wise. However, server transfers would as most any other MMO has server transfers. And lets be honest every idiot out there is gonna be an idiot on any server he/she goes to anyway. Just gives me more people to PK IMO which is fun!!! And the effect on the economy would be minimal as the economy is already jacked anyway and you know it is. Don't even deny it. The only people that don't want it are carebears who end going to WOW anyway. "
I disagree with only being able to bring what you can carry. I have an allymate who has collected all the robe sets throug the grades. Its his thing, he likes to collect and it keeps teh game interesting for him. He obviously wouldn't be able to ear them all so he should just abandon all that hard work?
How about people who have been farming tons of mats and parts? They just have to abandon all that hard work? If server transfers ever happpen people should be allowed to bring all they have. The economy will readjust itself. yes, some people will be able to make a killing out of it if the economies of teh servers are very different but such if life.
Quick question..."general discussions" does that also include GM's and Forum Mods...I would like to hear there input as well...so that I may object to anything they say as usually...just kidding...but I like there input...except for Mistryl...anyone else is welcome...
Mec don't even listen to Elwhore. He is a non factor in our server and he is in a non factor alliance. All he dose is agree with gm's so when the PTS comes around hes gets the first peak :).
If this post is the basis for the general consensus of wanting server changes, then I am led to believe that the people who want it the most are avid cheaters.
For the band of rebels on the 24 hero clan server, I feel for you. It sucks to grind for a few years and see no chance at reaching high end rewards due to a flawed hero system.
That was just a joke Mystryl...she knows she is the venting channel...but anyway...as far as what the paint chip fed toon said about those wanting server trasnfers are all cheaters...I am not...well i might be the only one...I have never broken the EULA using the 3rd party crap or websites for exchange of real world currency for in game items...I have however used a bad name or two towards a red but thats about it..
Everyone say yes to server transfers!!!! Yeah!!!!...and Say good by the Christmas Event YEAH!!!!! YEAH!!!!! I would almost give up on Server Transfers if they never brought back the Christmas Event...nah....Server Transfers YEAH!!!! YESSSSSS!!!!...And some put duck tape over Elro mouth please..
Also it would put an end to ppl calling back the accounts they sold :-p
Seriously, why would you care if they called them back? I find it funny, myself.
WHat is behind that is servers transfers would reomve the only deterrent to account purchasing.
And it's the only valid CON I found.
But it's far outweighed by the PROS
too many to read them all posts...
my 2 cents: if you could transfer to franz from any other servers it would mean that franz all of a sudden had MM daggers and other crap that doesn't exist anymore. Franz is the only clean server thatonly has C5 stuff. Let's keep it that way.
How about Bartz, Teon and Franz stays the same. NCSOFT copies all accounts and all items and wipes the other servers. Restarts two US and one Euro server. All ppl that was on a wiped server get to choose one of the new servers. That would leave us with 3 US and 3 Euro servers instead of 8 US and 2 Euro. This would probably give NCNA 6 fun and well populated servers. Well, my opinon anyway. Posting here for once since Mistryl obviously is interested and open to a discussion.
How about Bartz, Teon and Franz stays the same. NCSOFT copies all accounts and all items and wipes the other servers. Restarts two US and one Euro server. All ppl that was on a wiped server get to choose one of the new servers. That would leave us with 3 US and 3 Euro servers instead of 8 US and 2 Euro. This would probably give NCNA 6 fun and well populated servers. Well, my opinon anyway. Posting here for once since Mistryl obviously is interested and open to a discussion.
I don't understand the whole topic, 'cause I am seeing some things I don't understand (server and account transfer i.e.), but ain't it possible to transfer one of my chars on Franz to i.e. Gustin? Or is that the whole thing about this topic.
How about Bartz, Teon and Franz stays the same. NCSOFT copies all accounts and all items and wipes the other servers. Restarts two US and one Euro server. All ppl that was on a wiped server get to choose one of the new servers. That would leave us with 3 US and 3 Euro servers instead of 8 US and 2 Euro. This would probably give NCNA 6 fun and well populated servers. Well, my opinon anyway. Posting here for once since Mistryl obviously is interested and open to a discussion.
I do hope your suggestion includes the fact that all those players on the wiped servers who need to obligatory restart on a new server can KEEP all they have been working for for over 3 years now...Or does your idea mean a total RESTART?
Please elaborate.
Besides I'm a Euro on a US server from day one and I don't feel it's dying and I don't want to move servers either. I've made great friends from all over the world (ennemy or ally confused) which I would not want to EVER give up.
How about Bartz, Teon and Franz stays the same. NCSOFT copies all accounts and all items and wipes the other servers. Restarts two US and one Euro server. All ppl that was on a wiped server get to choose one of the new servers. That would leave us with 3 US and 3 Euro servers instead of 8 US and 2 Euro. This would probably give NCNA 6 fun and well populated servers. Well, my opinon anyway. Posting here for once since Mistryl obviously is interested and open to a discussion.
I do hope your suggestion includes the fact that all those players on the wiped servers who need to obligatory restart on a new server can KEEP all they have been working for for over 3 years now...Or does your idea mean a total RESTART?
Please elaborate.
Besides I'm a Euro on a US server from day one and I don't feel it's dying and I don't want to move servers either. I've made great friends from all over the world (ennemy or ally confused) which I would not want to EVER give up.
No, im on sieg aswell and i don´t feel that the server is dying either but im Euro and staying up all night for siegs, raids and eventually olympiad fights is getting kind of old. When i started playing this game i did not have the choice of playing at a server with European time and when they finally added Teon i had too much time invested i the game to start again.
Of course, all items and everything that you worked for is copied or recreated if thats easier.
I don't understand the whole topic, 'cause I am seeing some things I don't understand (server and account transfer i.e.), but ain't it possible to transfer one of my chars on Franz to i.e. Gustin? Or is that the whole thing about this topic.
Yep, it is not possible to do that. It was promised to enable it I think in Prelude or C1, still nothing. This topic is requesting, ranting and whining about it and usual flame "enable server transfers" vs. "no to server transfers please".
How about Bartz, Teon and Franz stays the same. NCSOFT copies all accounts and all items and wipes the other servers. Restarts two US and one Euro server. All ppl that was on a wiped server get to choose one of the new servers. That would leave us with 3 US and 3 Euro servers instead of 8 US and 2 Euro. This would probably give NCNA 6 fun and well populated servers. Well, my opinon anyway. Posting here for once since Mistryl obviously is interested and open to a discussion.
I do hope your suggestion includes the fact that all those players on the wiped servers who need to obligatory restart on a new server can KEEP all they have been working for for over 3 years now...Or does your idea mean a total RESTART?
Please elaborate.
Besides I'm a Euro on a US server from day one and I don't feel it's dying and I don't want to move servers either. I've made great friends from all over the world (ennemy or ally confused) which I would not want to EVER give up.
No, im on sieg aswell and i don´t feel that the server is dying either but im Euro and staying up all night for siegs, raids and eventually olympiad fights is getting kind of old. When i started playing this game i did not have the choice of playing at a server with European time and when they finally added Teon i had too much time invested i the game to start again.
Of course, all items and everything that you worked for is copied or recreated if thats easier.
I am in the same situation of yours...sieghardt server, but I am Euro, and I cannot stay online at the italian gmt night when the server start to life. I would be happy if a transfer service would be available for people like us, in these conditions...start a new character on Teon, now, is pointless, no time for playing ...work - family - you know....I am to the point of quitting L2 definitvely :/
. It was promised to enable it I think in Prelude or C1, still nothing.
Server transfers were never promised. A statement was made, back in the day, that they would look into it. Obviously, they decided not to go through with them at that time.
Personally, if Lionna, as it is right now, were to cease to exist, I'd cancel both of my accounts immediately. I'd probably even keep all my gear on my then-deleted characters, out of spite.