new way to raid ... ?

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i have been thinking about a new way to do big raids using seed skills.

basically what i have thought of hasnt been tested by me, and likely has been tried already and failed.

but here goes:

required: 2 sps, 2 sorc 2 SH. (minimum) try for 5-6 of each. rechargers for sorcs and sps and backup groups like rangers and tanks. dedicated rezzers. and of course a gloomer (not applicable at an epic raid)

set up all nukers for MAX MATK and NOT MAX SPEED. you can do raids quite quickly nevermind cast speed.

basically it all goes down like a dial table; sps seed of water, sorc seed of fire, sh seed of wind, sps elemental attack.

immediately chaining that, goes sorc seed, sh seed, sps seed then sorc ele attack.

stack group-on-group for fastest kill speed. just dont make 1 group faster cast than any other. all MUST be slow cast. if cast is too fast, ele attacks may not trigger as seeds have been used up by another group.

this outputs one big chunk of damage every 4th cast. now if my math is correct, each nuker's main nuke is power 105, and each elemental attack is power 500; this SHOULD mean that every 4th cast, 25% more damage is done to the boss at a cost of a total mp of 500 mp for the 4th caster (250 mp for the other seeders) versus 268 mp for 4 nukes from a single nuker.

so by comparison, we have some numbers: 1000 mp spent combined over 4 nukers every 4th cast. damage = power 500 (actual damage will vary depending on Matk of caster). 4 nukes from a single nuker will be the same cast time for cumulative nuke power of 420 and total MP spent 268 mp.

what does this mean? well just spamming nukes at a raid will make the mp hold out more for a single caster. it means youre spending 3x the mp for only 25% extra damage. why would one choose to seed-nuke? well its a cool animation ....
Some problems with that plan...

a.) you cannot seed yourself

b.) seeds have a skill recharge time of several minutes

c.) standard main nuke (power 108) costs 69mp, so for 250*4 mp you could do 1000/69=14 standard nukes instead of one elemental assault. 14 nukes at power 108 will definitely do quite some more damage than one nuke at power 500...


So, sadly, seed nukes are utterly worthless except for the secondary effect of some of them (stopping hp regen etc.)
i have been reading about the noblesse nukes; seems there are 2 seed nukes ... 1 requires 4 seeds, the other 8. the first has 2x power of elemntal nuke but without elemental property. the other is 4x the power of elemental nuke, but without elemental property.

so by inference you could bring 1 noblesse and seed nuke a raid. make that noblesse a paladin or TK, and i do believe youve got a DD tank.
stop trying to kill raids w/ nukers.

Destroyers, daggers, and archers are the rb killers now.

stop trying to kill raids w/ nukers.

Destroyers, daggers, and archers are the rb killers now.



Don't forget us Warsmiths...

Oh wait, strike that last from the record. I'm stuck in my delusion again where dwarves are good at PvE.
Hey I never got to use my seed nukes, does someone have a replay file or even a screen shot of the animations of either blizzard, elemental symphony, aura symphony, or even all of them...

WTH do these nukes look like, it is a mystery to me...

Edit: BTW seeds take LONG LONG time to recharge! Especially if your set up not for casting speed...