Okay I just tried the free trial and...

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First of all I am a former WoW player. I quit because the PvP and grouping is terrible, also the community is fairly immature.

also...

I tried City of Heroes and it became boring in under a month.

I tried Everquest 2 and it became boring in a month.

I tried Final Fantasy 11 and it became boring in a month.

I don't like to compare Lineage 2 and WoW but it's inevitable, because I am looking for features from WoW that are NOT in Lineage 2, I am simply tired of WoW's terrible spell system, graphics, and community.

I am a level 20 elven wizard and so far the game seems pretty fun.

All the new MMOs seem to lack anything new, but Lineage 2 seems different from the rest. I am looking forward to Aion if it ever comes out.

Right now I am considering purchasing Lineage 2 for myself and a friend, and am I looking for feedback. We are both very experienced in PvP.
WoW's PvP system became ridiculous at 60 when everyone is Tier 3 geared (best possible gear).

How does PvP work on L2?

I hear the PvP is hardcore, and I'm curious how hard it is to level later on. If someone can simply camp you all day effectively reducing your exp continuously, how do you manage to level?

NOTE : I HAVE NEVER BEEN PK'ED... YET... so I don't know about what penalties you receive.

Leveling past 20 in WoW was almost impossible unless you grinded mobs in a secluded area or hid in an instance. I think the risk factor is nice in L2 because they don't automatically know my level.

How do you get a decent guild?

In WoW I was able to get a guild in 1 minute, and usually it was a bad guild.

How welcomed are newbies?

Are you constantly bashed by being ignorant of quests, classes, or what not?

The chat system seems to be very uncontrolled, what is the general behavior of the players?

How do you get groups?

Since everything seems to be time consuming in this game (1 hour boat ride, 15-20 walks) is getting a group even possible later on? I've managed to get in one group from 1-20 and they were trial users like myself. Also I was wondering if people invite you to a group a lot just to set you up and kill you while fighting mobs?

How is the economy?

I must have seem at least 100 dwarf bots suiciding into guards since level 1, and I'm worried this economy is totally destroyed, I hope not.

What are the desired classes?

I don't want to spent time leveling up a class that is useless or undesirable or too common (rogue). I don't like being a "dime a dozen" class but I want to be able to solo (ex. not possible for a "holy priest" to farm)

Thanks for all the info ahead of time this thread's responses will probably determine my decision on whether to buy this game.

Good day
welcome to game.
I'll take a shot at a few of your questions.

PVP is explained fairly well on this site. If both parties attack one another the game considers it 'playervplayer'. If one attacks and one remains passive, the game considers it playerkilling--and the attacker gets karma and 1 pk when the passive player dies. There are consequences of karma and higher pk counts (you can drop your weapon, etc. on death with more than 5 pk's). You can erase karma through deaths and pk's through a quest (which isn't much fun).

Anyone can make a clan/guild. Up to lvl 3 is fairly simple. You can start your own.
the game since chronicle 5 is pretty newbie friendly cause established clans get needed clan rep points (crps) when their academy graduates lvl 40 players. This means since C5 most established clans actually seek out newbies (and assist the most promising).

Server personality comes into play for 'newbie tolerance'. Depending on your server you may find a lot of help or very little (unless u get picked up for an academy).
I've played 3 servers a bit and Devianne and Lionna were both pretty new-player friendly.
As to getting ridden for not knowing--most folks will answer a question even if it's kind of stupid (lol).
You find out about clans from other players, clan websites, their members posts on the forum for specific servers, and by interacting with them. If clan X's players grief you every day for a month, you may either want to avoid them or join them (lol).

Chat only appears uncontrolled. Language that is offensive can be reported (depending on server you can count on it) so there IS a general speech code. If someone ticks you off you CAN type "you're a wad". You can't type, "you (censored), god (censored)--(censored)! (censor) you!" Well, you can but there are consequences (lol).

Groups begin in earnest after about lvl 20. B4 that the mobs you kill are simply too low to divide exp among 2, 3 or more players. Groups are voluntary and you arrange them through the actions screens (invite) or /invite name (of character).
Groups party for exp, drops, raids, seiges, etc. They are balanced according to player types/characters for best effectiveness.
Trial and error will help you determine which duo's and groups are best for your character type. I'd recommending reading about player roles--also on the site. In L2 a 'tank' is something specific in groups--as is a "damage dealer", "support healer", "buffer", "ranged DD", etc.

The economy on most servers is old and established and imo the hardest part of the game. If you see an old prima guide you'll note weapon costs (for instance) were a fraction of what they are now. The economy is very much player controlled. And amassing adena will be a chore! If you make your own top D weapon it will cost you around 3.4 million, robe/armor sets about 700k, jewels around 300k. Figure top D-grade set up at about 4.5-5 million. Realistically at lvl 25 if you do repeatable quests, manor a bit, and level straight up without any/many deaths--you'll have less than 1 million accumulated!
It is important to learn and participate in market functions--reselling weapons/armor, bs or merchant of mammon, farming & selling mats, selling shots, etc. The manor system actually works if you can sell your 'crops' but at lower levels it is slower than some market techniques. It has the advantage though of multiplying your adena/mats while getting you exp.

Grinding starts in earnest as you approach B-grade. At which point you will begin to see much slower leveling--and realize those A and S grade players are having it MUCH worse than you (Lol--I STILL don't know how they do it!).

That's about enough from me. Hope I've given you some clues and feedback.
GL.
DrakkosIV brought out some points, but I wanted to touch on a few other things. Clans with academies will provide you with your D-Grade Armor; you have to have a sponsor who will provide the crystals needed for that, and he needs to be present during at least part of the armor quest.


I don't like being a "dime a dozen" class but I want to be able to solo (ex. not possible for a "holy priest" to farm)



Well, I've tried many different classes myself in the past two months, so I would recommend doing that and try to find a class that you are comfortable with, and one that compliments the class your friends choose. I also suggest having a Dwarf of your own to craft things that you need; Dwarven Artisans are worth having. You can feed materials to the dwarf through the Freight system at any warehouse, as well as using it to gather materials that don't drop as often.
Hello, nice to meet you. =)
Basing your decision to buy this game on the responses you get from this thread?
It's true that reading the messages on these boards will give you a good indication of the state of the game, and answer your questions about the economy, class popularity or demand, and overall community more clearly than any one person's opinion can.
It's important to note, however, that people are [censored]. Myself included, so consider their advice accordingly.
The reason you see many bots in starter towns are that they starting over all the time casue they getting banned.

Economy varies from server to server. The one with the absolutly cheapest low grade stuff right now is Franz. But that is an european server and maybe not the best if you live in the US. Franz is also the newest server and has only existed since september, so all the population is not max lvl and such.

As for party it's like lilune says. it starts to be good first after lvl 20 and gets really good after lvl 40.

I love this game. Have played since late 2004 and still liking it best of all the MMO's out there. It's a nice balance of things and it's not easy if you want to be successful, but well worth the time.
As long as you focus on having fun and don't look too much on the grey exp bar, the game will stay entertaining and worth

WoW's PvP system became ridiculous at 60 when everyone is Tier 3 geared (best possible gear).

I dont know about the WoW gear, but in L2 gear really important. For example, an archer with S grade bow (best pocible type) will most likely beat another archer of same lvl+buffs with A grade bow, unless the A grade archer is realy lucky (stun attacks land all the time and dont get interupted with damage or something like this).

I hear the PvP is hardcore, and I'm curious how hard it is to level later on. If someone can simply camp you all day effectively reducing your exp continuously, how do you manage to level?


Hardcore meaning you can attack/be attacked by anyone outside of the towns. I you die you get same exp loss as if you die from mobs (exept in clan war, there you get 1/4 of exp loss). karma system was explained here earlier.
Also, its prety hard to follow someone to kill him all the time. There are gatekeepers with lots of different port destinations, and no way to know where exacly will you go exept for the common sence, for example if you are wisard in A grade, that means you are lvl 61+, and this you are more likely to be found in areas good for nukers, ets.

How welcomed are newbies?
Are you constantly bashed by being ignorant of quests, classes, or what not?


I had never seen that. Also, you can ask all those newbie questions here on the forum, there are lots of helpfull people who also like to raise their postcount on answering easy for them questions. ;)

Also I was wondering if people invite you to a group a lot just to set you up and kill you while fighting mobs?


never had that happened to me or someone else I know. Also, after they removed players droping items while killed by mobs there is no practical point to do so.

How is the economy?


It is doable, but same as everything in this game requaers time+effort. Do not expect to get a next grade of gear dropping to your's lap just from killing mobs. Especialy not if you are using soulshots all the time. It it quet pocible to get it if you spend time making money, well, may be exept for analogs of WoW's epics (accesories dropped by Epic bosses, 1 item droping per raid that need 50-200people and hour or a few worth of killing time, and a respawn of those raids being about 5 days or so.)

First of all I am a former WoW player. I quit because the PvP and grouping is terrible, also the community is fairly immature.

also...

I tried City of Heroes and it became boring in under a month.

I tried Everquest 2 and it became boring in a month.

I tried Final Fantasy 11 and it became boring in a month.

I don't like to compare Lineage 2 and WoW but it's inevitable, because I am looking for features from WoW that are NOT in Lineage 2, I am simply tired of WoW's terrible spell system, graphics, and community.

I am a level 20 elven wizard and so far the game seems pretty fun.





you should skip L2 . when you reach lv 60 and above, it's going to be "grinding" fest..

imaging it takes week to grind 1 level.
Welcome!

PvP can happen at anytime, but happens more if you join a clan that is pvp orientated. So make sure you don't join a pvp clan until ready, you may even want to wait till 70+.

Leveling gets more and more intense. But all that matters is that you have fun doing it. Difficulty doesn't really increase but time between levels definitely does. For example lvl 73 to 74 could take more than a week. I would say on average 2-3 weeks of medium to hardcore leveling, but it is very variable on your class and the types of groups you get.

You can get groups threw shouting in town, also just going to a place like a catacomb and try to find a group. Support classes are highly desired, but hard to solo.

You have tons of questions, so I won't be able to answer them all.

How to get a decent guild is to party with people. Add them to your friend list, if you find yourself leveling a lot with them, then you should join a clan. If you are looking for a little support getting into a wealthier clans academy to get D grade gear can be a plus. But most likely you will have to know someone in there. Get a good clan after you find good people, thats how you can be pretty sure...

Newbies are welcomed by many, but also picked on by a few. Don't let the few get you down, and don't let yourself become discouraged for being lower level than the majority.

Also economy isn't really screwed up, it is just tough, and you have to really use your head in order to make money. Different things work for different people. I made my first mil being hired by someone to collect letters during a letter event...so things can be that odd...lol.


First of all I am a former WoW player. I quit because the PvP and grouping is terrible, also the community is fairly immature.

also...

I tried City of Heroes and it became boring in under a month.

I tried Everquest 2 and it became boring in a month.

I tried Final Fantasy 11 and it became boring in a month.

I don't like to compare Lineage 2 and WoW but it's inevitable, because I am looking for features from WoW that are NOT in Lineage 2, I am simply tired of WoW's terrible spell system, graphics, and community.

I am a level 20 elven wizard and so far the game seems pretty fun.





you should skip L2 . when you reach lv 60 and above, it's going to be "grinding" fest..

imaging it takes week to grind 1 level.



In many cases longer than that :)


First of all I am a former WoW player. I quit because the PvP and grouping is terrible, also the community is fairly immature.

also...

I tried City of Heroes and it became boring in under a month.

I tried Everquest 2 and it became boring in a month.

I tried Final Fantasy 11 and it became boring in a month.

I don't like to compare Lineage 2 and WoW but it's inevitable, because I am looking for features from WoW that are NOT in Lineage 2, I am simply tired of WoW's terrible spell system, graphics, and community.

I am a level 20 elven wizard and so far the game seems pretty fun.





you should skip L2 . when you reach lv 60 and above, it's going to be "grinding" fest..

imaging it takes week to grind 1 level.




Really think it might depend on what you consider "boring". I find the grind in L2 quite enjoyable =p
HIYA! I have a 43 pally in WOW and my nephews play WOW religiously. I left l2 for awhile to try WOW and came back. WOW has an intersting world but the pvp is pointless. In l2 the grind gets horrible after 70 but you got to pay to play in this game.
Now the PVP is awesome in L2. they work hard to balance it each expansion. the gameplay is usually over looked when comparing the 2 games but my pally would swing so slowly i could eat lunch while he killed one mob in WOW. L2 uses the unreal 2 engine and the action is 100 times faster than WOW. Go to the racetrack arena and ask a bd fully buffed with dances to atk the arena manager and see what I mean. The action is incredibly fast compared to any action in WOW.
The thing i like about L2 the most over WOW and any other MMORPG i have played ( eq1,eq2,guild wars,eve) is the PVP. When you get high enough to get into the PVP you have to watch your back. the mobs offer no unpredictable game play it is pretty much kill repsawn kill again....but you have to keep an eye open for enemies at all times and that adds to game play alot. Also unlike WOW, there is consquence to PVP. WOW you can pvp all day and lose nothing. In L2 you have to choose your battles cause if you die you loose 4% and later on thats alot. pvp with consequence, best graphics of any mmorpg, and incredible gameplay is why l2 stands out. But you got to get high lvl to have the pvp fun and that is a long painful journey.....
Lemme take my own stab at it:



How does PvP work on L2?



You can attack anyone at anytime outside of towns, and they can attack you. Whenever you attack someone who is not in a war with you, you flag (your name turns purple -- note you need to hold ctrl to do this). If you kill a purple, there is no penalty at all. If you kill a white (someone who didn't attack back) your name becomes red.

When red, guards will attack you, and players can attack you without themselves flagging (meaning killing in self defense gives you more PK score). Once your PK count is > 5, you can drop items on death. All death outside arenas gives the same XP loss (except sieges and clan wars which are 1/4 of a normal death).



I hear the PvP is hardcore, and I'm curious how hard it is to level later on. If someone can simply camp you all day effectively reducing your exp continuously, how do you manage to level?



The only reason that that would really happen would be if you're in a clan war, or the person had some grudge against you. Camping corpses really isn't a big issue in L2 though, mostly they hit you and then vacate before your clan/friends counterattack them. If you're in a clan that has clan wars, your clan should also be backing you up on that.

Random PvP is rarer than WoW unless you're in the major alliances -- in WoW the game mechanics force people onto two sides, with nobody neutral. In L2 player politics create sides, and so you choose who you join, and you can be neutral or switch at will (assuming you can get into the clans). There's very little random attacking going on once you're past level 40 (virtually all of the random PKers stay and prey on the lower levels).


Leveling past 20 in WoW was almost impossible unless you grinded mobs in a secluded area or hid in an instance.



It's not usually a huge issue, again until you join a major side with a lot of enemies, but you usually wait until later in the game to do that.


How do you get a decent guild?

In WoW I was able to get a guild in 1 minute, and usually it was a bad guild.



You can try looking on the boards here or shouting in towns.


How welcomed are newbies?



Very welcome, actually, since academies were introduced. Only players below 40 can be in a clan's academy, and when they hit 40 and complete their second class change, the clan gets points they can spend to increase their level or provide benefits (like more defense) to their clan members.


Are you constantly bashed by being ignorant of quests, classes, or what not?



90% of the players are ignorant of quests. Although there are some gems and I've had good experiences with a number of quests, there are a lot of others that just plain suck. Many people only do the important quests (class changes, subclass quests, the quests to enter the boss areas) but you can always look on a site like http://lineage2.stratics.com/ and check out their quest guides for things at your level -- there are often quests you could be doing. I don't usually hunt specifically for quests but I take the quests for the area I want to hunt anyway.


The chat system seems to be very uncontrolled, what is the general behavior of the players?



Like elsewhere on the internet -- good, bad, and everywhere in between.


How do you get groups?



A clan helps. Also, going to group areas (e.g. dungeons) and shouting by typing something like !Level 20 wizard LFG may work.


Since everything seems to be time consuming in this game (1 hour boat ride, 15-20 walks) is getting a group even possible later on?



Eventually you'll be using the teleportation system a lot more, when you're not so terribly poor like you are at the beginning. Typically you don't need to walk much (there are exceptions, like climbing 10 floors of tower of insolence...).


Also I was wondering if people invite you to a group a lot just to set you up and kill you while fighting mobs?



Maybe, but they don't gain by doing so. Used to be if you died to a monster you had a chance to drop items, so people might try to get you killed for gear, but that's gone.



How is the economy?



Something that you absolutely need to learn to deal with. Money is something you will never have enough of, and you need to work on a plan to get the gear you want. Unlike WoW your money and item drops won't nearly cover your expenses. Quests, manor system, making a dwarf alt, playing the market, there are many ways to earn cash and you better find one that works for you. BTW remember this -- Giran price = actual price. Newbie towns are way, way off of what items are actually worth.

Do not EVER sell a base material (iron, stem, varnish, etc) to the NPC shops. Most of them are worth triple at the very minimum. Until you get to giran, save them. For recipes and key items (e.g. "Sword of Revolution Blade" is the key item for a SoR), a good rule of thumb is "if the NPCs don't sell the full weapon/armor the key item is for, keep it, else sell the key item to the NPC".

The economy is player-driven since, after C grade gear, nothing is obtainable except as very rare full drops or being crafted by players. The "economic grind" is as important as the XP grind, so prepare for it and make a plan.



What are the desired classes?



-Nukers and archers are really good at PvP.
-Dwarves are good at making money.
-Buffers like warcryers, shillien elders, and prophets are very needed but often dualboxed as the play style can be boring for most, plus the dualboxers usually keep the buffer out of party for better XP.
-Bladedancers (and to a lesser extent swordsingers) are very much needed
-Melee damage dealing classes can often do well and make up the bulk of groups, but they're not as strong as the ranged classes in PvP, especially in small group PvP. Some of them like Gladiators can be pretty good anti-archer.
-Tanks and healers are strongly needed in certain areas but in other areas they're unnecessary; they're mostly best in large parties not small.


I don't want to spent time leveling up a class that is useless or undesirable or too common (rogue). I don't like being a "dime a dozen" class but I want to be able to solo (ex. not possible for a "holy priest" to farm)



Few classes can solo all the way up. Summoner classes can, and archers/nukers to a degree (though nukers really would want a shillien elder to buff and recharge them, so most dualbox one -- sorcerer and spellsinger are particually bad at keeping their MP up.) Many classes can solo with a source of buffs, but few can do it on their self buffs, at least not all the way.

In contrast, duos and trios can be very good XPing.
your main problem will be to get gear and money past 60

If you don't ebay you'll have to be very lucky to find a clan that will help you. And if you want to craft, don't read my thread titled "more on 60%" and that I won't link because if I do you'll quit.

the gameplay is usually over looked when comparing the 2 games but my pally would swing so slowly i could eat lunch while he killed one mob in WOW.


there are slow killing classes in L2 (tanks,dwarves) as there are fast killing classes in WoW (rogue,mage).

L2 uses the unreal 2 engine and the action is 100 times faster than WOW.


L2's implementation of Unreal 2 engine is slow and full of bugs and memory leaks. just try to leave the game running for a longer time. as for pace of action, it may be faster than WoW but mostly because half people on the server play either archer or nuker due to imbalance between offense and defense. still, L2 PVP is good because it's open, it has a meaning and a thrill because you actually loose something when you die.

L2's implementation of Unreal 2 engine is slow and full of bugs and memory leaks. just try to leave the game running for a longer time.



Yeah, this is one of the worse games regarding those issues. I have never tried another game where I had so many stutters, starts, stops and crashes.
I'll drop my tips for the new player.

First and Most important - CASH IS KING. Xp is easy to get in L2, it takes time, but it's mindnumbingly easy. IF you have enough cash to support your xping. Learning the market, and finding yourself a niche to make cash is absolutely critical. The better you are at it, the better your gear, and the more money you have to spend on consumables that make getting XP faster and easier.

Second - Don't rush into a clan. Take the time to make some friends, and get to know some clans. It will make your life easier in the long run to be in a good clan.

Third - Reputation is very important. While the server seems big, it's really not. Over time, you will get to know alot of people and they will get to know you. Remember that.


L2's implementation of Unreal 2 engine is slow and full of bugs and memory leaks. just try to leave the game running for a longer time.



Yeah, this is one of the worse games regarding those issues. I have never tried another game where I had so many stutters, starts, stops and crashes.



i can have l2/l2/vent and ie open on my computer and run without any hiccups all day long though, and i don't have any sort of superior computer set-up.



L2's implementation of Unreal 2 engine is slow and full of bugs and memory leaks. just try to leave the game running for a longer time.



Yeah, this is one of the worse games regarding those issues. I have never tried another game where I had so many stutters, starts, stops and crashes.



i can have l2/l2/vent and ie open on my computer and run without any hiccups all day long though, and i don't have any sort of superior computer set-up.

then youre the only one.

even the toppest of new PC's no two boxer can let both accounts run from what i have seen longer than 36 hours in shop mode.

memory leaks however minor add up over time and make EVERYONE crash sooner or later when running the real client and not the illegal client.

but straying gently back to the topic, you only need to reroll ONCE in your L2 lifetime. thats to make a Scavenger and run around all day spoiling varnishes, irons and coals in red rock ridge. delevel, rinse, repeat. manor for extra mats of a different type and presto, method number 1 for almost every player.

but for most, dwarves arent the best thing since sliced manor fruit; most prefer the Catacomb and Necropolis grinding for extra cash. well go ahead with that if thats what floats your adena. i myself prefer only one method of cash flow; D and C crystal sales.

and thats one of the things i DIDNT mention in my guide.


the gameplay is usually over looked when comparing the 2 games but my pally would swing so slowly i could eat lunch while he killed one mob in WOW.


there are slow killing classes in L2 (tanks,dwarves) as there are fast killing classes in WoW (rogue,mage).


It isnt just about kill speed. Honestly, my first day on WoW trial I constantly felt that my shamy there somewhy stoped attacking. With 1handed mace, it was slower them my WC with her 2hander here unbuffed. And once when I tryed a staff, it was slower then here with a mage staf windshakled..
In Lineage II it's more fun, pvp is crazy if you're in a decent clan or you can join one of those rpg scrub clans that don't really pvp much, just +++ cyber.

Before you pvp, buy a ton of Greater CP Pots. Most pvp'ers carry a [censored] load of the and pretty much whomever has the most wins.

PS: WoW blows, you can get max lvl and everything in like a month or so... Gets boring real fast and in Lineage you don't spend 6 hours doing one raid. So NCSOFT realizes that Lineage II players have a life =)

Anyway if you love to pvp, Lineage II is where it's at.
Oh yeah and make sure you hunt out in the open so you can get the herb of mana and hp drops. Since you're a nuker you're gonna have a [censored] load of downtime if you don't have a recharger with you.

You don't really feel the grind until you hit 76.



the gameplay is usually over looked when comparing the 2 games but my pally would swing so slowly i could eat lunch while he killed one mob in WOW.


there are slow killing classes in L2 (tanks,dwarves) as there are fast killing classes in WoW (rogue,mage).


It isnt just about kill speed. Honestly, my first day on WoW trial I constantly felt that my shamy there somewhy stoped attacking. With 1handed mace, it was slower them my WC with her 2hander here unbuffed. And once when I tryed a staff, it was slower then here with a mage staf windshakled..



consider: my assassin lvl 34 kills FASTER than a fully buffed dwarf, but the dwarf makes more money.

to all who say "you can get 7x in 9-12 weeks" well for that you need to go for broke in the kill speed department and talk to NOBODY EVER.

the speed at which you level is ENTIRELY dependent on how fast you kill AND kill again. you need 0 time beween mobs and spend nearly 0 time on the mob to kill it. fastest levelling in l2 is with a pulling class or a dual pole group.

dual pole = 1 dwarf pulling a train into a corner while 1 human pole pulls a second train. the kill RATE from there is nigh unto infinite as the mobs die too quick to notice. youll only stop for SS, and with this group after interlude and at the 58+ mark, you can do this forever with EE SE Bishop self recharge.



L2's implementation of Unreal 2 engine is slow and full of bugs and memory leaks. just try to leave the game running for a longer time.



Yeah, this is one of the worse games regarding those issues. I have never tried another game where I had so many stutters, starts, stops and crashes.



i can have l2/l2/vent and ie open on my computer and run without any hiccups all day long though, and i don't have any sort of superior computer set-up.



Not sure what to say. I don't have a top of the line computer but it is not a dog. I get these intermittent "hiccups" or freezes which is a bit frustrating.

I can run two clients but it is not feasible for me to quickly switch back and forth between them as there is a little delay. I have 1 gig of ram, 2.8mhz processor, and a top of the line agp video card (I know.. agp is out now but it used to be in :p ).

I have found that other games run better than L2. And I've crashed more in L2 than any other game.




L2's implementation of Unreal 2 engine is slow and full of bugs and memory leaks. just try to leave the game running for a longer time.



Yeah, this is one of the worse games regarding those issues. I have never tried another game where I had so many stutters, starts, stops and crashes.



i can have l2/l2/vent and ie open on my computer and run without any hiccups all day long though, and i don't have any sort of superior computer set-up.

then youre the only one.


Not really. I run 3 clients at a time (often for long periods), FireFox and other stuff all the time. Crashes are rare for me.


You don't really feel the grind until you hit 76.



Yeah, that's what you think when you get there :p
But a brand new player will feel every level wall till max level - not saying it's unbearable at all, but you'll feel it. It really does suck at 76+ though :)
Offtopic a bit but:

Running 2 L2 clients, Firefox with multiple windows open, winamp, msn and various other programs and playing Oblivion all at the same time, with no noticeable hiccups, stirs, stops, starts or whatever. And my clients stay up usually as long as the server or internet connection does. Ye, the client has memory leaks and whatnot, but it is not _that_ bad that you couldnt actually do anything while having L2 running in the background.


And on topic: Learn the economy as fast as you can since the better equipment and more money you got, the better you will do in both pve and pvp.
Okay thanks for all the replies guys, I'm going to buy it and give it another month to see how things goes, I LOVE PvP and can't wait to try it out in organized wars.
Just ONE thing to keep in mind. YOU DO NOT NEED TOP GEAR TO BE SUCCESSFUL. MANY of us made it 1-40 without top gear way back when. It may be slower, but it WILL get the job done. Make sure you do the quest in your starter town for a scroll of escape to Giran. Go there and start looking at the shops, make notes on prices, find averages for materials especially. Check the tax rate in Giran at any shop, then WALK to Dion, repeat the process, then Gludio and Gludin, find the cheapest tax rate to buy gear from shop if you have to. Top gear is expensive and somewhat pointless in D grade as the mobs are not hard nor do they have many skills as higher level mobs do.
Adena is not that hard to make, it just takes a little dilligence.

Most of the successfull adena makers I know spend about 15 mins at the start and end of their play session checking the market.

If you get into the mindset that L2 is about making Adena and XP, and then remember to work on both, the whole game is alot easier.

Canto is right. You don't have to be in top grade gear to level successfully. It does help though, and it is worth the time to try to get it. My recommendation is to always remember to keep some of your cash for playing the market. Never ever blow it all on a weapon upgrade, because you have to have money to make money!!





L2's implementation of Unreal 2 engine is slow and full of bugs and memory leaks. just try to leave the game running for a longer time.



Yeah, this is one of the worse games regarding those issues. I have never tried another game where I had so many stutters, starts, stops and crashes.



i can have l2/l2/vent and ie open on my computer and run without any hiccups all day long though, and i don't have any sort of superior computer set-up.

then youre the only one.


Not really. I run 3 clients at a time (often for long periods), FireFox and other stuff all the time. Crashes are rare for me.



I run an AMD Athlon 2600+ , 1 Gig ram and a 9800 pro and I can actually run 2 instances and switch between the 2 at will if need be(graphics down and windowed mode). I dont get many hiccups, although on occasion (once a week or so) I get thrown to desktop without any errors popping up.

Okay thanks for all the replies guys, I'm going to buy it and give it another month to see how things goes, I LOVE PvP and can't wait to try it out in organized wars.



The problem I see here is that you might not be able to participate in any organized wars until you are higher level. So I would use that month to assess whether or not you are interested in putting in an extended stay.






L2's implementation of Unreal 2 engine is slow and full of bugs and memory leaks. just try to leave the game running for a longer time.



Yeah, this is one of the worse games regarding those issues. I have never tried another game where I had so many stutters, starts, stops and crashes.



i can have l2/l2/vent and ie open on my computer and run without any hiccups all day long though, and i don't have any sort of superior computer set-up.

then youre the only one.


Not really. I run 3 clients at a time (often for long periods), FireFox and other stuff all the time. Crashes are rare for me.



I run an AMD Athlon 2600+ , 1 Gig ram and a 9800 pro and I can actually run 2 instances and switch between the 2 at will if need be(graphics down and windowed mode). I dont get many hiccups, although on occasion (once a week or so) I get thrown to desktop without any errors popping up.



same here, i have 3 clients opened(windowed mode and lower detail) and switch between them regularly, i have msn messenger(usually 2-3 windows), firefox, ventrilio...and maybe a pokersite... i hardly get crashes at all...
I get a crash every few days - not what I would call frequent in an MMO. Side by side, high detail.

This is a laptop, too..
i get a crash prolly every 6 hours depending on what i am doing
i have at minimum firefox open and 2 L2 clients (sometimes 3 or 4)
99% of my crashes happen when i am soeing or porting so i usually dont care
nephews all have 60 rogues in wow and their combat in no way compares to l2. I play l2 side by side as they play on my home network WOW and their buddies are going to try L2 this summer because they can see from one monitor to the next the difference. My bd in tallum with full buffs and dances beats on the arena manager like a machine gun and no atk movement in WOW is even close. the graphics is the other very noticable advantage l2 has over WOW and it is so apparent when you can see them side by side. WOW has a great world, it is more 3d and I would grind in WOW anyday over l2, but the challenge offered by the other players in l2 is like no other game, and at the end of the day PVP with consequence make L2 a more refined game.
1 run on 5 different pc's ranging from old windows ME compag 1 gig to amd fx2 with 2 gig ram and very very few crashes, actually only time is when entire server goes down and that is rare these days ( for erica)
only time i start to get crashes is where i try to open 4 clients in giran....... my ram screams in pain at that point :P
only ones who can get to 70 in 9-12 weeks are the a) unemployed with no social life or b) bots


L2's implementation of Unreal 2 engine is slow and full of bugs and memory leaks. just try to leave the game running for a longer time.



Yeah, this is one of the worse games regarding those issues. I have never tried another game where I had so many stutters, starts, stops and crashes.



I don't have any graphical issues, slowdowns or memory leaks from L2 whatsoever.

Gameguard on the other hand :(

only ones who can get to 70 in 9-12 weeks are the a) unemployed with no social life or b) bots



Or students who go to college, and have alot of free time. :)
if you have alot of free time in college you are not drinking nearly enough..
That's why I'm not noblesse yet!

BEER!! <3
Thanks for all the advice everyone!

I just bought the game so any moderator please feel free to put this thread out of it's misery. :D
Even if people have free time doesn't mean they would be able to concentrate on a game for that many hours required. I often find it amazing when I meet people that can't concentrate on things in life for more than short periods of time and then on the other hand claims that they can play for 5+ hours straight in Lineage 2.