Best A-grade armor for BD?

I'm 60% away from lvl 61 and I'm in a debate of whether to get Tallum or Majestic. I understand the appeal of the extra 8% atk spd, but i REALLY hate being stunned with a passion and Maj would affect that.

Any comments or suggestions as to which would be better in the end?

they give essentially the same increase in DPS. tallum gives weight bonus which is nice.

maj is stun resist and higher pdef tho.

depends on what you want.

On Hindemith, Majestic PA is tons cheaper and easier to get/craft. The helm is more expensive but they are both about the same price for the recipes.

I think he is asking what has better function, not which he can afford :P

Majestic

I think he is asking what has better function, not which he can afford :P

Yeah well that's a very important point to me. I mean, what's the point of seeking out something that one cannot afford?

I think he is asking what has better function, not which he can afford :P

Yeah well that's a very important point to me. I mean, what's the point of seeking out something that one cannot afford?



It's all about the journey..

I think he is asking what has better function, not which he can afford :P

Yeah well that's a very important point to me. I mean, what's the point of seeking out something that one cannot afford?



my point is he never mentioned affordability in his criteria, so I ignored it.

I think he is asking what has better function, not which he can afford :P

Yeah well that's a very important point to me. I mean, what's the point of seeking out something that one cannot afford?



my point is he never mentioned affordability in his criteria, so I ignored it.


Fair enough. How about availability? I play on Hindemith and, after taking a tour of Giran, found 3 people selling Tallum PA (for twice the price of Majestic) and zero recipes. However, there were tons selling Majestic PA and tons of recipes.

I'd say Majestic for added Stun Resist, you are already very weak in that point, certainly if you twinked with tattoos even more.

And a bit more resist always help against archers too.

Well, without SwS in group, Majestic. With SwS Tallum is better.

Your damage will be slightly higher in tallum, but better pdef and usefull seteffekt in majestic.

And if you are a human mystic with sub BD, there is no choice and you have to use majestic, since majestic heavy model looks nice and tallum heavy model is the 1to1 copy of tallum robe.

At lvl 61, most peeps are still focused more on PvE than PvP. Tallum is better armor for PvE. The damage from the extra Atk Speed is greater than the damage from the extra Patk. More AtkSPd=MoreCrits, BD's do alot of damage from their crits than they do from their normal swings. (at least for now)

Stun resist is cool.. but as a BD, how often do you really get stunned in PvP? Same thing here though.. Would you rather have Stun resist and a wee bit more damage per swing, or would you rather swing faster, which increases your chance of getting a crit.

Note - In Interlude the rules are changing because of the changes to crit damage, in which case my advice will need ot be reevaluated. Interlude is approx 1.5 - 3 months away.

Yea i currently level with a friend out in Hot Springs, we're both stunned constantly by those monsters. Suffice to say its a huge pain in the *** to be incapacitated like that. Attack speed and crits don't do much if you're unable to even move. So thats what really makes the stun protection appealing to me.

lol majestic isn;t gonna save you from HS mobs stuns... especially with DE con.

lol majestic isn;t gonna save you from HS mobs stuns... especially with DE con.

It doesn't even save you with dwarfie con.

yea those mobs have devhax stun.

Simple solution - don't hunt mobs with AOE stun, and if ya do, bring an EE.

it's not aoe. it's just 99% land rate.

>.> Bring someone who can trance the mob while it stuns or an ES?

tallum heavy model is the 1to1 copy of tallum robe

Fixed in interlude. New tallum = looks ******ed on human girls but good on human guys. That's got to be a first.

At lvl 61, most peeps are still focused more on PvE than PvP. Tallum is better armor for PvE. The damage from the extra Atk Speed is greater than the damage from the extra Patk. More AtkSPd=MoreCrits, BD's do alot of damage from their crits than they do from their normal swings. (at least for now)

Stun resist is cool.. but as a BD, how often do you really get stunned in PvP? Same thing here though.. Would you rather have Stun resist and a wee bit more damage per swing, or would you rather swing faster, which increases your chance of getting a crit.

Note - In Interlude the rules are changing because of the changes to crit damage, in which case my advice will need ot be reevaluated. Interlude is approx 1.5 - 3 months away.

WTB a clue?! (no seriously)

<----BD!

Frist and for hand on Kain, the price of Maj Plate is 70-90m, the helm ranges from 55-90, gloves are insane like 50m. boots are hella cheep at 15-22m.

Tallum on the other hand, gloves 7m, helm's 50m (give or take), boots about 10m'ish.

The boost for Maj is better for a BD for PvE, But is fair and/or good for PvP. +2 acc, +2 str - 2 con, -50% to stun.

Tallum adds 8% to act speed, +2 str - 2 con, and some % to weight.

Tallum is atk speed bonus, ment to boost your atk speed for pvp, BD's main roll (at lest imo) for PvP is to atk mages, with Tallum you put up your dances alot faster.

Dances Are a Physical skill, so the faster your atk speed the faster they go off. BD's can get up to 1K atk speed. they plow tho mages in PvP, only one that stands a chance is Necro.

Every lvling spot post lvl 55 has atlest one mob that will stun.

I was talking to a friend and he said that Maj dosn't help Vs stun mob, but is only reliable in PvP. I don't believe it, but I think he said they tested it on HS mobs, so I'd just disreguard that any how.

Tallum = PvP for atk speed, Maj = PvE for boost acc and P atk.

BTW I'm going for Majestic for my self.

Also, remember stun resist from Maj doesnt makes you to resist stuns twice as good. It just makes that if you was resisting pve stu at 10% rate you will resist it at 15% rate, or something like this.

Dances Are a Physical skill, so the faster your atk speed the faster they go off. BD's can get up to 1K atk speed. they plow tho mages in PvP, only one that stands a chance is Necro.

how is that? im in kesh*kesh and tallum and full buffed from a 74lvl pp (including zerk) i get with no dyes at 713, not even close to 1k..

Using http://www.l2guru.com/l2calc/ I'll also see 713 atk.speed for a 74 BD with +4 kesh*kesh with Tallum Heavy, fullbuffed with zerk2/DoFury without Dyes.

Add CoV/PoF/PoWi and you are at 856.

Add Dex +5 and you are at 894.

No idea how to get it higher then 894.

Dances Are a Physical skill, so the faster your atk speed the faster they go off. BD's can get up to 1K atk speed. they plow tho mages in PvP, only one that stands a chance is Necro.

how is that? im in kesh*kesh and tallum and full buffed from a 74lvl pp (including zerk) i get with no dyes at 713, not even close to 1k..



The guy is an idiot. Which is fairly obvious when he says that Majestic is Better for PvP, but then gives +2 Accuracy as the reason why.. clearly +2 Accuracy beats 8% atk speed any day.

but hey.. let's let the calculator tell the true story:
http://www.l2guru.com/l2calc/

For a 61 BD, with no tats, but lucky enough to have +4Kesh*Kesh, no buffs, except hiw own dances - Fire, Fury, Warrior

With Tallum:
HP 2639 CP 1319
MP 1040
P.Atk. 771 M.Atk. 212
P.Def. 728 M.Def. 157
Accuracy 95 Evasion 95
Critical 91 Speed 139
Atk. Spd. 496 Casting Spd. 226

With Majestic:
HP 2639 CP 1319
MP 1040
P.Atk. 799 M.Atk. 212
P.Def. 766 M.Def. 157
Accuracy 98 Evasion 95
Critical 91 Speed 139
Atk. Spd. 460 Casting Spd. 226

For the sake of Argument, let's go ahead and give him lvl 66 Prophet buffs.
Tallum:
HP 3431 CP 1319
MP 1352
P.Atk. 875 M.Atk. 212
P.Def. 828 M.Def. 181
Accuracy 99 Evasion 95
Critical 118 Speed 172
Atk. Spd. 660 Casting Spd. 294

Majestic:
HP 3431 CP 1319
MP 1352
P.Atk. 906 M.Atk. 212
P.Def. 871 M.Def. 181
Accuracy 102 Evasion 95
Critical 118 Speed 172
Atk. Spd. 612 Casting Spd. 294

To each his own I suppose, but I'll take the extra atk speed in exchange for slightly less accuracy, slightly less patk, and slightly less pdef. The extra Atk Speed more than makes up for them, because when you swing faster you kill faster and you take less damage anyhow. On top of that, like I mentioned early - faster swings = more swings = more crits

As we all know, Crits are pretty important to a BD.

No idea how to get it higher then 894.

Ive been having fun with L2 and the max atk speed Ive gotten is 929.
Max lvl BD
+5 Dex tats
Tallum heavy
+4 kesh*kesh
Boss jewlery
lvl 78 PP/WC buffs - everything that could possible increase atk. speed

Short of giving a BD a dagger with or without haste it is impossible.
Angel Slayer w/ haste = 1227 atk. speed
But that would be just plain dumb


But you never know, he might be from a private server and he is confusing it with reality.

To each his own I suppose, but I'll take the extra atk speed in exchange for slightly less accuracy, slightly less patk, and slightly less pdef.

I actually have both. If the mobs stun, Maj tends to be better.. If they don't, tallum tends to be better. It all depends on what you like and what you want. (Of course, I still get stunned thru Resist Shock 3 and Maj.. so .. ..)

If you're a cheap greedy dwarf (or other class) who likes to party a lot, go with Majestic. You do very close to the same damage, and use fewer soulshots. If you solo more, you go with whatever takes your mob down the fastest.

Just go Tallum heavy with OE Dam*Dam and +4dex tats. that way you get atk speed and a hard hit, but people say i'm insane so who knows.

Thanks for all the replies, especially the one that did all the math/calculations! Gives me somethin to think on.

I like silver's idea of just having both, hah, maybe i can get a loaner set of whichever i dont get for myself...

That link I posted goes to an online calculator where you can plug in your stuff, even buffs, and it shows your stats. Pretty cool stuff. no figuring needed. ;)

On Gustin, Majestic Heavy is quite a bit more expensive than Tallum also, which pushes me even more towards Tallum.

On Gustin, Majestic Heavy is quite a bit more expensive than Tallum also, which pushes me even more towards Tallum.

I wish this were true on Hindemith.

Who's _______ do you have to ________ to get a Tallum PA recipe?? :mad:

Dances Are a Physical skill, so the faster your atk speed the faster they go off. BD's can get up to 1K atk speed. they plow tho mages in PvP, only one that stands a chance is Necro.



how is that? im in kesh*kesh and tallum and full buffed from a 74lvl pp (including zerk) i get with no dyes at 713, not even close to 1k..

The guy is an idiot. Which is fairly obvious when he says that Majestic is Better for PvP, but then gives +2 Accuracy as the reason why.. clearly +2 Accuracy beats 8% atk speed any day.

Easy enough for you to call me a idiot. by only reading half of my post.

I said, that Tallum would be better in PvP unless your facing off agenst people that stun. IE: Dwarfs, archers, WL's, tryants, etc.

Other wise Maj would be better set.

Tallums' Atk speed for PvP is far better then the benefits that you get from Maj. but for the Cost Of A-ss Atk speed sucks. get a highly o/e strom*NM adds 79 to crt rate. with hunter and cat I can get a lil over 300 crt rate thats with out +4/5 dex and in BW.

I said it's possible to get up to 1k, maybe even past it. that doesn't mean it has to be 1000 atk speed, but 980 is pretty **** close, rounding up don't hurt (it's just an estimate). /sarcasm oh but if it's not SS then it don't count.

Any how, in PvP dances/support is the BD's role, but in PvE, being a tank(untill interlude, I'm not talking about raids) staying alive, and making sure your dances are up every 2 mins. ( and no BDs aren't a tank, but they sure do act like one)

PvP tallum for faster atk speed, higher chance to interrupt mages, Maj for stun resist.

The highest atk. speed a BD can acheive is 929. Thats a fair bit under 1k.
Besides that value was calculated assuming the BD had boss jewlery and uber 78+ WC/PP buffs.... how many BDs do you know have that?
An atck speed of 700 is far more resonable for a "max" value most BDs willl acheive.

The idiot probably came form the fact that you pulled stats out of your ***.

more or less thats all stoo..

Didnt thought of Bossjewels, Baiumring ftw ^.^

So its 894 for 61-75 BD and 929 for 76-80 BD.

Well when all else fails, pick which one looks better. :p

Well when all else fails, pick which one looks better. :p

QFT :p

tallum = fotd = end of argument

Well when all else fails, pick which one looks better. :p

Well if you want to go that way then go Maj (imho looks best on BD).

But I'd think well atlest for Kain that Tallim would be cheeper if you want to make a +6 set.

We have a hero been yelling for like 3 weeks trying to get a +6 Maj helmet.

have u seen hvy maj boots on a male delf? they sure look like filthy adidas... same goes for dwarves

have u seen hvy maj boots on a male delf? they sure look like filthy adidas... same goes for dwarves.

Good thing I don't play a Male DE fighter.

Nah I can't stand the side to side swinging of the Male BD's, And Female PBD looks alot cooler. but I like how Males dance thats the only cool factor of the Male BD's.