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Not sent at the mail I use for PlayNC mails though... I assume it's not from them. Be careful.
If it has a link for you to click, don't click it. Forward a copy to NCSoft so they can trace the links. And there is no such thing are renewing accounts. What do they want? You to enter your CD keys again? They want your login ID and passwords.
This is not an email from PlayNC -- please don't click the link if you receive this email! As a reminder to everyone, NCsoft will never ask you for your password in an email or anywhere other than logging into PlayNC.com or a game. Emails asking for your game or PlayNC password are typically fraudulent, especially emails that claim your account or characters will be deleted.
Thank you for posting a warning (and not posting the link! :) )
Email addresses can be picked up if they are visible -- such Lineage II fan sites you may post on, or possibly if your email address is visible in your profile here on the official board.
what happens if you click the link but do not enter your information? I recieved the same email shortly after reading this post and decided to just click the link out of curiosity... its not possible for it to install a keylogger on to your system is it?
what happens if you click the link but do not enter your information? I recieved the same email shortly after reading this post and decided to just click the link out of curiosity... its not possible for it to install a keylogger on to your system is it?
Actually, yes it is possible. Dunno if it does or not, but if the link appears dead (IE doesn't go anywhere) then the chances are it's designed to try putting a keylogger on. Cause anyone that has played for a long enough time knows that NCSoft never deletes accounts. I know of friends that have banned accounts that have not been deleted.
As a reminder, NEVER click a link in an email to log onto PlayNC, even if you fully believe the email really is from NCSoft.
ALWAYS logon to PlayNC by typing or bookmarking www.plaync.com (http://www.plaync.com) and never through any other source. There are IE tricks some malicious links can do that can obfuscate which server you're actually connecting to; it may LOOK like you're connecting to plaync.com when you're not.
In general, assume every link in an email is bad. Navigate to the site yourself, don't click a link in an email.
As a reminder, NEVER click a link in an email to log onto PlayNC, even if you fully believe the email really is from NCSoft.
Err, why not?
It's not like I'm going to put my account data into it, but I sure would like to know where it is (so I can see if I can shut down the site quickly) and what it tries to do. Without clicking on it, it's kinda hard. :)
"Don't try to outweird me, I get stranger things than you free with my breakfast cereal."
You win the weird contest hands down Elrohir. ..
It is my gift to the world. Some may call it a curse. Some may curse me. However, I must share it. It is too much for a simple man, such as myself, to contain.
As a reminder, NEVER click a link in an email to log onto PlayNC, even if you fully believe the email really is from NCSoft.
Err, why not?
Seriously you CAN get a virus/trojan/keylogger just by clicking a link depending on your security settings and browser or how good the **** site is, and this one looked pretty expert. If you clicked the link I would run all the antivirus/spybot software you can but sometimes these are written special for L2 and the programs dont pick them up right away :(
If it finds something I would change the game login password right away.
As a reminder, NEVER click a link in an email to log onto PlayNC, even if you fully believe the email really is from NCSoft.
Err, why not?
Seriously you CAN get a virus/trojan/keylogger just by clicking a link depending on your security settings and browser or how good the **** site is, and this one looked pretty expert. If you clicked the link I would run all the antivirus/spybot software you can but sometimes these are written special for L2 and the programs dont pick them up right away :(
Well, if they actually would manage to install theit keylogger on the machine I read my mail & would click on it (Fedora Core Devel Linux OS, using Firefox to browse the web, of course with a non-root user), I'd be suitably impressed.
Of course, that's not the machine I'm playing L2 at, so ... much good would that do to them. ;)
Again, I don't see why I wouldn't want to click on that link to check its contents out. Chances are, it's even hosted on a server which lies within my area of control and I can shut it down within minutes (sadly, I can't in this case).
However, to a typical user, I would say, "Don't click on it. Just delete it."
To a typical user, I'd say just that (after telling him to forward me the mail, that is).
However, we have a significant amount of non-typical users here so I'd say an advice like "NEVER click such a link" just doesn't apply to everyone. If you don't know how to deal with phishing, zero-day exploits, new malware no available scanner knows yet and debugging your computer and network connection, sure, better don't click. Else ... you know what you're doing, and the information you can gather can actually help NCSoft and the abuse department of the network the phishing site is on, so why advising against gathering this information?
A non-typical user would never ask the question. Why would I give technical advice to someone that already knows the answer?
Read what I responded to. Arigato didn't answer a question, he reminded everyone on this forum to "NEVER click a link".
I just don't like such sweeping statements without some sort of a qualifier explaining to whom it applies to - because it obviously can't apply to everyone.
we owe a debt of gratitude to you for taking time out of your very busy schedule to save us all from ourselves. lord knows none of us are capable of functioning without you.
we owe a debt of gratitude to you for taking time out of your very busy schedule to save us all from ourselves. lord knows none of us are capable of functioning without you.
- My schedule isn't that busy, and hunting down phishing sites is actually part of my job, as long as it pertains to the part of network I'm the admin of. I get paid for it, too.
- I don't and never tried to save anyone from him- or herself. Quite the opposite. Everyone's entitled to make mistake and I might warn, but won't stand in the way of them doing so.
we owe a debt of gratitude to you for taking time out of your very busy schedule to save us all from ourselves. lord knows none of us are capable of functioning without you.
Careful. You don't him to kick you off his internets!
However, to a typical user, I would say, "Don't click on it. Just delete it."
To a typical user, I'd say just that (after telling him to forward me the mail, that is).
However, we have a significant amount of non-typical users here so I'd say an advice like "NEVER click such a link" just doesn't apply to everyone. If you don't know how to deal with phishing, zero-day exploits, new malware no available scanner knows yet and debugging your computer and network connection, sure, better don't click. Else ... you know what you're doing, and the information you can gather can actually help NCSoft and the abuse department of the network the phishing site is on, so why advising against gathering this information?
you sir are on an official games forum, posting about a phishing email... advising people NOT to click the link is perfectly reasonable. if you truely are do posess the knowledge/ability to shut such a site down go ahead (i will remind you most people do not).
arguing that it is okay to click a phishing link is irresponsible, you should know better! some fool is going to get the wrong idea and come back here whining next week about being hacked and losing everything he worked for over the past year :P
arguing that it is okay to click a phishing link is irresponsible, you should know better! some fool is going to get the wrong idea and come back here whining next week about being hacked and losing everything he worked for over the past year :P
I'm not advising anyone to click on that link. However, I'm not advising to never click on such a link, either.
Instead, I'm advising to only click on the link if you know what you're doing (the "knowing what you're doing" part being described in detail above) and want to help NCSoft by finding out information about the phishing; possibly also informing the server's and domain's owners of it (that would be, in this case, [email protected] as the owner of the domain, [email protected] and [email protected] as the owners of the physical servers, and possibly [email protected] and [email protected] as the network connectivity providers of the servers - if you have got a mail with the link, forward it to them, please).
If a fool just thinks he knows what he's doing, clicks on it and finds himself in trouble, well ... let's just say I have no pity with fools. Lesson learned for him, hopefully.
If a fool just thinks he knows what he's doing, clicks on it and finds himself in trouble, well ... let's just say I have no pity with fools. Lesson learned for him, hopefully.
You don't deal with EUs much, do you?
Every third tool with a Dell laptop and a Blackberry tethered to it as a modem fancies himself either a network admin, a network security guru, or a BES Admin.
There's many a fool in the world who *thinks* they know what they're doing. I'd hazard a guess to say there's an equal amount of fools in the world who are completely and utterly confident that they *know* what they're doing... and still manage to make a dog's job of it.
If a fool just thinks he knows what he's doing, clicks on it and finds himself in trouble, well ... let's just say I have no pity with fools. Lesson learned for him, hopefully.
You don't deal with EUs much, do you?
I do, swift and decisive.
Mostly by shutting down their server's internet connection minutes after they start doing a denial of service attack or shortly after we got a mail to abuse@... about their server doing something "not nice", like spamming or hosting a phishing site and verified the mail's sender's claims.
Well....I dont have your level of expertise in the field so the advice here that I would take is not to click on the link period. As a matter of fact my wife got that email and asked me what to do. I said DO NOT click on that link.Not all of us are technicla geniuses or fools either. Some of us are just here to play a game man. ;)
I'm not advising anyone to click on that link. However, I'm not advising to never click on such a link, either.
I think the point is, If you are savvy enough to be comfortable investigating a Phishing link/site, then you know darn well what you're getting into. The majority should Never click it though. By advertising the idea that it is safe "only" if you know what you're doing is irresponsible. I know many people who "know what they are doing" and your advice would undoubtedly give them a sense of false security.
If someone truely knows what they are doing, then warnings not to click a link will not affect them. To everyone else, don't click.
Again: I wasn't answering any question. I was correcting Arigato's statement.
His statement needed no such correction because he was answering to a specific audience.
His statement was "Never click." His audience - the participants of this forum - included me, among other people here who know what they're doing when they're clicking on such a link. As such, his statement didn't apply to the whole of his audience, and could need a correction, which I provided.
Do you know someone who, contrary to reality, thinks they are a really good driver? I do. I would never tell him that it would be safe for him to drive through oncoming traffic, or attempt that corner at 100 mph. That would be very irresponsible of me.
Come to Albuquerque New Mexico sometime! Every one of us thinks were good drivers and we all hate the way everyone else drives. The highway is normally a parking lot every day on my drive home because of this and we can road rage with the best of 'em! :p
Do you know someone who, contrary to reality, thinks they are a really good driver? I do. I would never tell him that it would be safe for him to drive through oncoming traffic, or attempt that corner at 100 mph. That would be very irresponsible of me.
I didn't say ...
"Nos, click on that link, it's safe for you." (your example).
... I said ...
"If you know what you're doing, you can click on that link."
Your comparison doesn't hold. I'd never say someone "it's safe for you to drive 100 mph through that corner", but I would say "It's safe to drive through that corner at 100 mph if you're a good driver." The difference being that I'm not going to judge for someone else if he's a good enough driver (or computer and network security specialist, for that matter), he has to do it for himself. I'm just saying it's possible when it is, and which skills you need to have to succeed.
I'm gonna give up on your argument cause it's pretty dumb. No real point in driving this discussion further. All we are arguing is really a matter or wording, so I will point out one thing before I go.
As a reminder, NEVER click a link in an email to log onto PlayNC, even if you fully believe the email really is from NCSoft.
Err, why not?
It's not like I'm going to put my account data into it, but I sure would like to know where it is (so I can see if I can shut down the site quickly) and what it tries to do. Without clicking on it, it's kinda hard. :)
If you click a link to log into a website, that shows an intent to put in information. So, his statement is exactly what people should do. Your statement is a direct contradiction. But that's just argueing how a person words things. And as we know a really dumb arguement.
To all that like to be known, take this to heart. Never ever show your email in forums. Not even your clan forums. People look to scam at the drop of the hat, they create sites for banks, credit account and yes game account.
On a side note:
Latest thing for excutors of wills, after you die. They are trying to figure out how to include game accounts into your assests. My laugh on this is that the selling of accounts in all games is illegal but I can bet a lawyer will attempt to get around this soon and are.
At PlayNC the greatest responsability to our customer is the safekeeping of
confidential information you have entrusted to us and using it in a responsable
manner. A fundamental element of sa***uarding your confidential information is to
provide protection against unauthorized access or use of this information. We
maintain physical, electronic and procedural sa***uards that comply with federal
guidelines to guard your nonpublic personal information against unauthorized access.
At this time we need you to renew your online account with our existing database( or
it will be deactivated and deleted ). As soon as our database will be updated we
need to make a few important anouncements to our customers so please renew your
PlayNC account with no delay.
Please click the link bellow to continue:
*********link here********
Our database will be instantly updated.
We are committed to the responsible use and protection of customer information on
our website. At PlayNC we are dedicated to providing you with exceptional service
and to ensuring your trust. If you have any questions regarding our services, please
check the website or call our customer service.
Yeah be careful I accidently fell for that about a year ago and had some guy try to log in and take my stuff. He wasn't successful.
However, I did get "hacked" about a week ago and lost all my stuff. Not sure how it happened, 95% sure wasn't a keylogger or anything. He got into and changed my master acct info on the first try. Considering I hadn't even logged into my master account for a while... was just weird.
Anyway, <3 my clan for helping me out, and <3 NC for restoring my subclass which the hacker deleted (they refuse to restore my equipment though. :() But it's really weird how it was done, and nothing's stopping them from doing it again as far as I can tell. Support just told me to contact the police, but I'm pretty sure I'll be hung up on as soon as I mention frintezza necklace. ^^
Well, we now know you're a super geek and that no computer virus can affect you. But the general populace is not you. The statement still stand that don't click on it if it looks suspicious. I don't see why this upsets you unless you're just out for a fight or want to show off your geekiness. It's a good cautious advice.
As for this:
I'd never say someone "it's safe for you to drive 100 mph through that corner", but I would say "It's safe to drive through that corner at 100 mph if you're a good driver."
Even good drivers can have accidents due to car performance, ice on the road, oil slicks, the angle of the turn, wind conditions, etc. It's still adviseable to drive safely but interpretation of safely can vary.
Well, we now know you're a super geek and that no computer virus can affect you. But the general populace is not you. The statement still stand that don't click on it if it looks suspicious. I don't see why this upsets you unless you're just out for a fight or want to show off your geekiness. It's a good cautious advice.
As for this:
I'd never say someone "it's safe for you to drive 100 mph through that corner", but I would say "It's safe to drive through that corner at 100 mph if you're a good driver."
Even good drivers can have accidents due to car performance, ice on the road, oil slicks, the angle of the turn, wind conditions, etc. It's still adviseable to drive safely but interpretation of safely can vary.
Just quit responding to his nonsense. He is obviously super impervious to everything on the interwebs. I will now read all of his posts with a Comicbook Guy voice.