many people asked me to make a vote here on the official board to ask NC-Soft to change the timesettings (for sieges/events/olympiad) to the same timeframe as teon and franze converting devianne to a european server.
the cons:
since devianne is an american server many na players started out here and still play. to change timeframe that late in the game seems unfair to them.
the pros:
an increasing number of europeans play on this server. some say the number of european players is by far greater now then the number of american players. to attrackt even more european players a change in the timeframe would help to allow more europeans to participate in olympiade/sieges and other events that are currently timed deep in european night, olympiad i.e. starting 1am gmt+1.
so please give us your tought wether you would prefer to kep the timeframe for events as it is or to ask nc-soft to change it to european similar to teon and franz.
If I wanted to start on a Euro Server, I'd go to Teon or Franz. I selected Devianne for what it is (including the timeframe) and I got used to it as well. Also, a lot of my friends are N.A. so that adds one more to a personal level... So... Sorry all, but -1 from me...
P.S. This, of course, does not mean that if this actually happens I'll quit Devianne. If change comes, I'll accept it... But, for me, it better that no change occures...
At least siege times may be moved to 8-10 PM euro time, it is around 10 AM - 2 PM american time, depending on east or west coast. May be this not american prime-time, but they can sleep at night, instead of playing game as europeans have to do.
Also something must be done with olympiad - for euro people its impossible to wake up 2AM and go work this day.
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Compromise acceptable. But 2 quetions, If they had Server tranfers would you go to Euro server #2 if they started new Euro server just for transfers from NA to euro would you go?
+1. There is 95% Europeans on Devianne. And i think make one more european server is good, beacaose Franz and Teon all time heavy. I Think make from Devi new Euro server it is good.
It's got my support for "time changes" and not "server location changes" Because I'm an NA player in European clans >_> It actually benefits me. The server location doesn't, but I don't believe that's the main issue.
To be honest Dsgo has a good point. Basically this is just a plea to make the event times earlier on in the day, which means they're accessible to both NA and Euro players. Where as NA times situated in the evening translate to late at night for Euro players.
Not to flame this out, but you are looking at this issue from your clans side. CO1. You are a good clan and have some good ppl, so don't take this as an attack on you commenting.
Do you think the time stamp is hindering you from taking castles? Is it that you can take advantage as a clan the manor system and cash in your crops at 900 pm CST? You have NA players that can accomplish that task. It can't be the Seal Competition event, what event are you refering to? I can only see the Olympiad as the problem. And right now if you aren't in Fate there isn't that much of a chance for anyone.
Where are the numbers to back the statement that there are more Euro ppl v NA ppl. You can't take a poll on a forum to prove that. You are going to have to pettition NC soft for those numbers, and I have yet to come across that type of stat. I'm just pointing out you need references, and crediable stats to prove that type of claim.
I have only heard rumors and not checked into it myself, but the ablitity to transfer a toon from server to the next. I don't see me needing to do this so I don't anything about it. Truly, woud a move to Franz or Teon benefit your clan? I think you guys would crush ppl if that was possible, and good luck if you can.
I have a number of ppl I play with over that side of the pond. I hope you atleast get an answer from NC Soft.
How about every who said +1 goto a different server. Your fault for choosing a server on US time. Shouldn't change something cause you @#!$'d up when choosing a server. If you started before the Euro servers were up, you could have rerolled. The US players shouldnt have to suffer just because a bunch of Euro's choose Dev.
As being an old player, I can say that the choice of a NA server was forced to me. There was no Euro server back then, Teon was made much later than that. Of course, I don't want to throw away 2+ years of playing the game, and server transfer is a myth. The fact is, that when the new Euro server was created, they didn't give any chance for transfer, a thing that I would consider if that was possible. For no reason, though, I would accept to throw away all that time I spent in the game (as well as the money), to reroll. I would live with the time that is now, but would not reroll. However, I would prefer to see the events to become more humane for me (even for watching them), as workdays are killers. If it was possible, I would prefer a compromise, like having stuff somewhere in between.
I do have a lot of NA friends, I wouldn't like to leave them, however, the reality is that Devi is a Euro server de facto, and not de jure. And this is not a Co1 movement, it is a Co1 initiative, as I see quite some ppl out of Co1. I do believe that there is no thoughts of doing such a thing for a reason that is low enough to get a castle.
@Mantis specifically: This is no Blah, to give such a post. And I am certain that the suggestion of rerolling goes both ways. If you want to mute people, or you don't like Europeans, why don't you reroll if it is so easy? I think that there are quite many NA (and much more pure NA servers than Devi) already. However, when you face the rerolling decision yourself, you will see that it is a hard option. So, please do not see this as a "hostile takeover", but think of it as an attempt to make something work better for all.
+ 1 Change the times already!!! Of course it should be changed in respect to existing NA players. A few hours shift would be great for both European and NA players.
well, as being a prelude player myself, a "compromise time shift" would be apprecciated... going on siege at 1:00 am is just not an option if you want a life outside :P
I'm sure this problem may be of any server, even euro timed (since there are some NA players)... and a more "friendly timed event" for both sides (NA and EU) should not be so difficult to arrange...
Anyway, it's been this way until now... so... ^^
First off, posting a suggestion like this will more than likely not happen and even if it does, I'd bet it'd be 1 year+ before the change came around.
Now onto the subject at hand. No. It doesn't need to be changed. There are two european servers just for this reason. Devianne started out as a NA server and it needs to stay that way.
As being an old player, I can say that the choice of a NA server was forced to me. There was no Euro server back then, Teon was made much later than that. Of course, I don't want to throw away 2+ years of playing the game, and server transfer is a myth. The fact is, that when the new Euro server was created, they didn't give any chance for transfer, a thing that I would consider if that was possible. For no reason, though, I would accept to throw away all that time I spent in the game (as well as the money), to reroll. I would live with the time that is now, but would not reroll. However, I would prefer to see the events to become more humane for me (even for watching them), as workdays are killers. If it was possible, I would prefer a compromise, like having stuff somewhere in between.
I do have a lot of NA friends, I wouldn't like to leave them, however, the reality is that Devi is a Euro server de facto, and not de jure. And this is not a Co1 movement, it is a Co1 initiative, as I see quite some ppl out of Co1. I do believe that there is no thoughts of doing such a thing for a reason that is low enough to get a castle.
@Mantis specifically: This is no Blah, to give such a post. And I am certain that the suggestion of rerolling goes both ways. If you want to mute people, or you don't like Europeans, why don't you reroll if it is so easy? I think that there are quite many NA (and much more pure NA servers than Devi) already. However, when you face the rerolling decision yourself, you will see that it is a hard option. So, please do not see this as a "hostile takeover", but think of it as an attempt to make something work better for all.
I do feel your pain. There is a fix. I work in the computer field by trade, concerning databases. I know you can transfer bits of data from one database to the next. It really is not that hard of a task. I don't know why in this isn't something they would offer.
Taking initiative from Elianne's post, I'd say it EXTREMLY egoistic, just because a few players (and they really are VERY FEW) started on Devianne pre-Teon, they would change the time to Euro times... How about us European players that started AFTER Teon was created and chose Devianne for what it is? Should we reroll on another NA Server?? And what if that server becomes Euro as well?? I'd really go for a time shift that fits both sides (i.e. 3 hours) but totally converting a NA server to a Euro one is not of my likings... I'm sorry everyone... You chose a NA server... If the timing doesn't suit you... Bad choice imo...
P.S. Many Heroes on Devianne are European players that started the game After Teon so, they too chose to be here and they made it all the way there... So, no excuse for that...
P.S.2 The fact that the server is Greek infested is true... I don't know if they are more than NA players but I see more Greek speech going around than English! I guess people see THAT and guess (cause we can only talk about guessing here) the Euro players are more than NA...
@Jrock: Well, I know well that transfer is easy for someone that would indeed wish to offer as a byproduct, or service. I believe that they could easily do it, if they wanted it to be so. I would also believe, that if they wanted to do it, there would surely be a monetary exchange for that, and even the name problem (the case that a character would try to occupy the name of another existing one) would not be a problem as well. Primary keys (I suppose the name is included in their primary key for their db), can be offered to be exchanged. The comment of the myth is about a manner of speech, that it is a myth that the rumors are going to be true. In all these years, NCsoft, had ample chances to do so. They didn't for some reason. Which means that there is no hope in that.
Would also give a cudos to Xiorin as I don't really believe that something will actually happen. However, our obligation is to respond in such initiatives if a problem is at hand, than just stay idle and watch. And even a constructive discussion as the one with Jrock is good. :)
As about proof on the amount of europeans? Perception is based upon stimuli. As I do perceive the situation of the known devi large clans (and taking of course the chinese farmers/bots out), would make a calculation. CO1, P00t, Mirmi, OG, Imortalss, Leeroy (I want to put here that Euro is not Greece), big % of Ultionis, LesFantastiques, CrazyDevils, Aurora, and some more are a higher percentile of clans of reknown that are considered as euro oriented, than the ones that are more considered as NA oriented. (Which are more into my perception as Fate (this can be discussed, the ratio is not clear in it), GIM, Titans, BP, Mafia ). Of course, I can say that I can be proven wrong, but my perception is quite limited, and that is the idea I have. Also, I am not certain about the true server population, so I can not really be able to be in a statistic. However, I would suggest a poll in a forum, might that be this one, or maybe blah, where someone would vote according to continent. That would really confirm by solid facts the orientation of the server, and would see more clearly where we stand. In an informatory way of course.
Most of the euros that are on devianne,came after Teon was launched.They knew what they where getting in to,if not it isnt NCsoft they should blame.NCsoft wil not change the time on Devianne..
Im European and started long before any Euro servers where on the table,but i was free to start a new toon on a Euro server when they launched.So are all the Euro players behind this request,if you want better siege time go to a Euro server like many have done in the past.
The option of server transfer have been discussed over and over since day one,i wont put my money on it ever happening.NCsoft havent said it never will,but im sure its not something that on top of thier list of things to do.
In other words live whit the current times or move server....
@Nightleaf: If you read the post carefully, you would see me speaking about compromise. Secondly, I have not suggested a reroll to anyone, but would use it as a counterargument to the ones that say that "reroll" so lightly as if it was the easiest thing in the world. Egoistic, yes, I am, as about the time and money I spent. No sane person, would just say that would throw to the trashbin more than 2 years of his/her life. As I said, I would consider a transfer, however, I would never consider a reroll. I would also want to say, that being one of the FEW ppl that started before Teon, that leveling up was not so easy as it is now. I can fathom that a new player might be 70+ in half a year (with the amount of help he can obtain by game or other people), but then it was not so easy, believe me. And that "then" I do not wish to let it go so lightly. I want to say, that it was a small part where I made my friends that I wouldn't leave them so easily. I hope this clears that out. :)
No sane person, would just say that would throw to the trashbin more than 2 years of his/her life.
Oo... I would never thought of L2 as "part of my life"... It IS a game if under certain circumnstances I would even change a server (I almost started on Frantz when it came live... Even though I'm glad I didn't, I figured it wasn't such a hard choise after all...)
well, I havn't posted for about 2 years because this forum is mostly full of BS but I must say this.
No matter what you guys decide or what not, there is very little (make that no) chance they will change the server time, the NC team is very aware of the fact that there are alot of Euro players on the server, which is why they launched servers for Euro players, it is perhaps unfair to the players who started before the launch of Euro servers but they also had plenty of opportunity to reroll on a brand new server as anybody else did back at Teon launch.
Weither there was a Euro server or not Euro players still joined Devianne with the understanding that it was a NA server, it has always been that way and ALWAYS will, cry all you want about your times Euro players but your not getting your change no matter what the vote here is.
I'd really go for a time shift that fits both sides (i.e. 3 hours) but totally converting a NA server to a Euro one is not of my likings... I'm sorry everyone... You chose a NA server... If the timing doesn't suit you... Bad choice imo...
That's exactly what I propose! Just a shift of a few hours in the times and not to become a EURO server with totally different times. We should respect the fact that this is a NA server and many NA players have chosen to play in a server that it is NA and not in a server that will turn out to EURO, no matter what their population is.
When we started playing in that server, do you believe that we already knew what is siege or manor system? Wow!!! You must be really good to know in-game functions before starting the game.
A small shift of 3 or 4 hours earlier would be really convenient for both of us. NCsoft will not implement server transfers between NA and EURO, only between NA servers, thus it is the least that can do to cope with this issue.
I in no way have anythign against Euro players... I have some in my clan (<3). The fact is, Dev was a NA server when US player choose to play on it. US players shouldn't have to suffer for choosing a US server.. just doesnt make sense. Every Euro the choose Dev, knew it was on US time.
I do think that they should open up server transfers for ppl that started before the Euro servers opened. I think that is more fair to all.
I bet one of the reasons, among the ping I guess, that so many Europeans came AFTER Teon (if that theory is true) is that there was already an established Euro base here. Now that's just speculation, but just assume it for a minute. Actually the only one who really will know nationality make-up is NCsoft but I hope they take the time to at least look at that and decide for themselves, because they're helping their own player base if they make an informed decision.
Now, As the servers started - there were no Euro servers. This time is where the Euro *base* came from on Devianne. From that origin, Devianne couldn't have been classified as a NA server, but a NA-Euro server, or surely NCsoft wouldn't have had Euro support.
They definitely should have offered server changes a long time ago, at least free of charge for existing European players due to the inconvenience of the sudden creation of Teon and Franz. But the lack of that, makes the thread's argument a bit more valid.
Now... here's another thing... NCsoft has already moved the time zone from Pacific to Central time for whatever reason in the past. That's a whole 2 hours. Since the event times are set at the end of the day even for NA times, it wouldn't hurt so much to bring it backwards 3 hours like people are suggesting. Pacific time wouldn't be too early, EST would be just right, and European times would be more managable. If there is truly a higher European base on Devianne than other servers, why not make the exception? As long as it doesn't hurt the NA base, I say go for it. It would increase action in the server.
I think none of us are with the illusion that NCsoft will jump on this and make it happen suddenly. But think of it like this: It's noble to try. And if even one NCsoft representative is reading, something little has been done at least. And if they don't act now, then maybe in the future they will handle an issue with servers better.
The reason it died in the first place was the onslaught of Euro players joining the server and making it harder for non-Euro players to communicate and get items at a price they could afford. I to have buddies that are euro players, yeah move the time's back a few hours would be great but there's no way that they'll change a NA server to a euro server it's like stuffing a bunch of NA players into Teon or Franz and haveing a vote to change one of those servers to NA IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN deal with it. PEACE
People who started on teon in c2 are 78/78 full sgrade and heros now..... Most of the euros on the server now came after c3 and c4 so please go to teon or franz if you dont like it.
Devianne is a East coast server, If you dont offer server transfers for all the NA players free of charge then no this is a bad idea because I DONT WANT TO PLAY EURO TIMES.
+3 hours isn't Euro time, its a timezone in the middle of the Atlantic.
+6 hours is, that's an extreme.
But Why does an Eastern coast server even have a time zone based on Central instead of eastern? Why, before that ,were they based on Pacific? They don't even have the right time set to start.
I have guess why we are on Central time. Austin Tx, maybe? I just assume that's where their time server could be at. Spliting the difference on the NA timezones.
Although petition/voting threads are typically closed, this suggestion can remain open as long as the posts discuss the idea (rather than just a "+1"). Thanks for your feedback!
Since this got your attention, does NC Soft break down statistics on a server. Where players are from, what are the peak times/activity on the server, whats the orc to dwarf. ratio.
Just close the thread there's nothing to be discussed/voted on the server won't be changed maybe if you're lucky and you NC and any euro player that is willing will allow euro players to transfer their toons to another server
transfering 75% of the server population isnt really an option.
and yes the 75% just came out of my ... but as a previous poster said it would be extremely interesting to know if nc can provide us with facts here.
what i see is that the (allto few) new players i talk to mainly come from europe because theres are vivid and alive scene drawing in fresh players in greece and russia.
when i log in at "my time" i see franz and teon heavy wich means they have a healthy population. migrating a large part of the devian european population there cant be healthy to neither of the servers.
I'd really go for a time shift that fits both sides (i.e. 3 hours) but totally converting a NA server to a Euro one is not of my likings... I'm sorry everyone... You chose a NA server... If the timing doesn't suit you... Bad choice imo...
That's exactly what I propose! Just a shift of a few hours in the times and not to become a EURO server with totally different times. We should respect the fact that this is a NA server and many NA players have chosen to play in a server that it is NA and not in a server that will turn out to EURO, no matter what their population is.
When we started playing in that server, do you believe that we already knew what is siege or manor system? Wow!!! You must be really good to know in-game functions before starting the game.
A small shift of 3 or 4 hours earlier would be really convenient for both of us. NCsoft will not implement server transfers between NA and EURO, only between NA servers, thus it is the least that can do to cope with this issue.
i could go for a 3 hour time shift. manor time used to be 11pm est in c3, its 9pm est now, the change didnt make a fig of difference. honestly i think there are more NA players than euro players, it just happens that euro players are in more commonly known, bigger clans. there are more NA players in little-known clans than anyone here has indicated. i dont think it should be a straight up euro time because that will discourage NA people from playing here, and dev wont be, dev. but if we continue to call it just another NA server the EU population will decry that NCSoft doesnt listen to them, even when a large chunk of the population is clearly EU. a 3 hour shift i think would be comfortable for both. and it recognizes everyone.
PS: if they handed out server transfers for free, no person NA or EU would take them. 800 greeks are not going to up and decide "o when we moved from bnb we made a mistake, everyone go to teon now". they didnt make a mistake, they chose devianne becasue thats where they wanted to be. and NA players arent going to give up the place where they started their first toon over 2 years ago. adapt.
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+1 hehe :)
I've already expressed my opinion here. I don't think we can't find a time that would be convenient for both NA and EURO players. If you think from the 24 hours of the day, there is no a common hour that can benefit both, then leave the schedule as is.
Answers like "it's *OUR* server" or "intruders go home" look very selfish and dangerous to me. I would be more interested to hear your inconvenience reason in a case of a time shift.
No one whose account creation date is after Dec 8th 2004 has a say in the matter. There was a euro server created on that date.... YOU CHOOSE AN NA SERVER.
IF I WANTED TO PLAY ON A EURO SERVER I WOULD OF CHOOSE A EURO SERVER. The times are fine for anyone who lives in NA. If you dont like it go to franz or teon no one told you to create a toon on a NA server.
This is a null vote. There are lots of euros on other servers too should change all the servers to Euro? People are little whacky on the idea this server is mostly euro.... No one has any hard figures except maybe NCSoft, but with the blantant account sharing of euros since many play in internet cafes, the numbers are skewed to start with.
i could go for a 3 hour time shift. manor time used to be 11pm est in c3, its 9pm est now, the change didnt make a fig of difference. honestly i think there are more NA players than euro players, it just happens that euro players are in more commonly known, bigger clans. there are more NA players in little-known clans than anyone here has indicated. i dont think it should be a straight up euro time because that will discourage NA people from playing here, and dev wont be, dev. but if we continue to call it just another NA server the EU population will decry that NCSoft doesnt listen to them, even when a large chunk of the population is clearly EU. a 3 hour shift i think would be comfortable for both. and it recognizes everyone.
PS: if they handed out server transfers for free, no person NA or EU would take them. 800 greeks are not going to up and decide "o when we moved from bnb we made a mistake, everyone go to teon now". they didnt make a mistake, they chose devianne becasue thats where they wanted to be. and NA players arent going to give up the place where they started their first toon over 2 years ago. adapt.
3 hour time shift would screw people on the west coast of the US.
Manor reset is 9pm for EST people move it 3 hours its now 6pm est and 3pm pst. So people will still be in work and school and miss the manor completely. Sieges start at 5pm on sunday's for EST people 3 hour shift it would start at 2pm est and 11am pst screwing west coast people that have religious services sunday mornings. Sign up for the olympaid starts at 9pm est goes to 3am est. Move it back 3 hours starts 6pm est time ends and 12pm. PST would be 3pm again screwing people in the west coast.
So all your doing is changing the server times to benefit Euros at the cost of people who live on the west US/Canada.
god this is irritateing because either way somebody's gonna get screwed over. Trying to adjust times to benefit another, as well as not adjusting the time for others just doesn't seem like it would work. People who originally started on this NA server are the only ones who should have a say as Sly stated because there was a euro server made yet they decided to come to a NA server they should deal with the fact that they're on a NA server.
There's no logics in saying that the people after so and so date have a certain date. It's just another one of the arguments that are like "you're not supposed to be here, so you have no right." Actually, in this discussion, everyone who physically plays on Devianne should have a say.
It's really quite pointless to focus on whether or whether not Europeans, or some guy from Africa, or whatever, is playing "legitimately" on Devianne.
Statistics are indeed unknown. But we have general ideas that the European-American population is generally close to each other on Devianne, more or less. This should require both populations in both extremes to be taken into account, and when you do (the furthest west and furthest east) I agree it's impossible to find a stable timezone. However the time zone certainly isn't on its median with the population (which would be an interesting concept, if they actually did base the time zone on a population of the server using their statistics).
If the populations would be accurate to their dedication we wouldn't have this problem. Which is why probably people have the sense to blame Euros for their own choices to come to the server. Well, yeah, but why did they really come? Could it be possibly that we're dealing with a European population of L2 gamers that is larger than the 2:8 ratio given by NCsoft's choice 2 Euro - 8 NA server ratio, therefore they're choosing not to go into an overcrowded server and they've been flooding into NA servers since the begining? It sounds very likely to me. But of course we are all restricted to pointless discussion in the lack of facts that would help us, as players with better hands on experience on the matter, to decide a helping change that NCsoft seems incapable of doing without the perception in-game.
Thinking from the above has made me realize. There's a source problem we're trying to fix: It's the fact that Euro players are obviously more populated than they're being given support for. So if the solution is more Euro servers, or more varied servers, or whatever, then it really should be done one way or another with the no charge server transfers we keep talking about.
i think it was implied that i meant 3 hours the other direction :P
manor time at midnight est.
as i pointed out above, in c3 it was at 11pm est, and no one had a problem with that. one hour from the original time isnt going to harm anyone. (except me because i sometimes go to work at midnight)
PS: looked at this again and think 4 hours would be better. thats an early manor time for people in the UK but it beats 3am. there are 11 time zones between moscow and los angeles. three of them are almost completely water. if anyone can think of a time that doesnt starve the people in greenland of sleep, id love to hear it.
if you move it 3 hours the other way sieges will be mid monday morning for euros and late sunday night for east coast people.
That even be worse then it is now. Its just not a Euro server in the end if you dont like it go to a euro server. You put up with for 3 years now if your a euro why is it going to change now?
And wasnt the legitmatcy of the accounts it was that you get skewed numbers because of the high rate of internet cafe playing that give a false sense of how many people are actually playing in that area.
Greece has a population equivalent of NYC. I would be suprised if more then 2500 people in the whole country played L2 since there are only 100k unique accounts in all of lineage2.
50% are dual or 3 boxed accounts so your talking about 50k (not deducting for our automated friends that are still here and there).
50k people spilt over 10 servers is about 5000 unique people to each server give or take. I know not all the greeks all play on Devianne they are on other servers too. So maybe 1/3 of devianne is euro MAYBE.
Just cause they are loadest dog in the yard doesnt mean they are the biggest. I can spit off at least enough NA clans that could give you 1000 - 1500 unique people just from Canada and the US on devianne.
But in the end it dont matter because NCSoft will never change a server from a NA server to a Euro server they will just add another Euro server.
My attention has been drawn to this topic, and as I don't see my view on this represented here yet, I thought I might add it:
I think one of the major pros of an MMO is that the player community is international, and that people from all over te world can play together (or against each other :P).
So to my view, I would consider game times best that supported as many time zones as possible. I think broadening existing time frames, like for the olympiad, could be better strategies than only shifts.
Also I would like to add that NCSoft will hardly add new servers without an increase in total customers, and moving all euro players to only two servers is not a very constructive suggestion. An NA server would have to be shut down for a new Euro server to be created, and I think we all don't want that...
as i said before, which you are forgetting. manor time prior to c4 was 11pm est. by your own arguement, people that started on a server with that schedual should not have their schedual changed. and according to you, people that created an account on the server in c3 (which does not include all the greeks, but a large chunk of them) should not have their schedual changed. however, they did change it. im just saying that they should change it back. no one was complaining about manor hand in times or seige times in c3, at least not that i noticed.
PS: you are not counting euro players, which are not greek, in your numbers. and if that means your numbers are 5 off, then so be it. this is not simply a debate about manor times, its a group of persons that do not feel as though their needs are being properly acknowledged. you cannot say "the opinions of these players count, but not these players".
Has it ever been discussed to have the manor system reset more than one time during the day? Would that help more people experience the game. I'm more concerned with the regular player. The botter, farmers will take advantage to what ever is put into place.
What are some of the disadvantages of doing something like that?
More olympiad times are bad, As some of the euros said half the castles and heros are euros so obviously they no problem making those times now so there is no reason to change is there?
not as far as i can see i can't go a month without seeing some body trash talking in greek on hero and four other people chimeing in so I say no changes (-1)
god this is irritateing because either way somebody's gonna get screwed over.
Nobody will be screwed over if server times arent changed, I like the idea of anybody who reged after Dec 8, 2004 not having any say because you knew this was NA server and there WAS euro when u started, anybody who reged before then it realy does suck but you had the chance to reroll on a brand new euro server on Dec. 8, so you should have moved when you had the chance.
LOL @ reroll, like any of u would do that. Its easier to lvl now, give u that, but it wasnt when Teon came out. Started on Dev same day it came up, think the server was 8 hrs old. I can live with the NA time zone, but if they cld alter it a cpl of hours to benefit Euro a bit, it wouldnt hurt.
When it comes to NA or Euro "Rocks" we need eachother, if one population dissapear, I think the server would suck.
When it comes to NA or Euro "Rocks" we need eachother, if one population dissapear, I think the server would suck.
Already happened. Almost zero North American players joined in the past year from what I can see. They quit faster than they are replaced because NCsoft doesn't advertise for the game and doesn't ensure the product is properly stocked and displayed on retail store shelves.
Pretty sad, since other online games are making up to $90 million per month in net revenues from North American gamers.
I think Guild wars or WoW or CoH/CoV make up most of that income since they are all geared towards NA playstyles since majority of NA players play from there houses unlike other parts of the world where they play in cafe's and share accounts religiously.
My days of getting up in the middle of the night to beat the farmers to the manor system are over. The same thing applies to sieges. So I give a BIG emphatic YES to move the clocks of Devianne to a more civilised time zone - Rule Britannia :)
No European times for Devianne at all! If times are changed to match European timezones, the server will become as crowded as Teon and Franz are at the moment.
No European times for Devianne at all! If times are changed to match European timezones, the server will become as crowded as Teon and Franz are at the moment.
They should start up a few "buffer" servers to prevent Devianne being overcrowded with Europeans, and later on switch the time to an European one *evil grin*
World is not only USA and devianne is already EU Server, take it or leave it.
And dont say that the half server is NA players, i have your answer. "Lets all europian players go to franz or teon" what then? teon or franz crashes and in devianne staying....lets see... hmm about 100 NA players? This is a fact dont say lies on your self and vote something for the server.
If Devianne becomes a EU server more new ppl will come when they enter LII world and that, because the server will be light.
So +1
You are wasting your time.. LOL you guys actually believe it's a possibility? If it were, we wouldn't see a Franz now would we? I know NCsoft knows how many players are from Europe and how many are from North America.. It aint happening.
Go jump off a cliff you dont like it go to teon or franz devianne isnt a euro time server.
You choose to start on a NA time server you could of easily started on Teon whats you excuse?
Another why the hell do u play on Devianne anyway Teon and Franz have much better ping rates and less lag and its in your timezone i dont know seems pretty easy for me to see where you should be playing.
PS Love your facts about there is only 100 NA players lol at least half the server is from the US or Canada if not more so please try again.
1) There is a large playerbase fom Europe. I don't know for sure if they are more than NA players but I think so, based on what I see ingame (could be wrong, but I doubt it). These people are not comfortable with the existing times.
2) This is a NA server and many players started because of this.
3) All players' reasons for joining a server should be respected.
I propose the following:
Make a clone of Devianne on European ground. All players in Devianne should be given the option to which of the 2 clones their account and items will remain (can't be on both). Clan halls/castles will follow the Clan leaders choise. If a CL chooses clone A, his clan clan is holder of the specific CH in clone A. The one in clone B will be auctioned.
That way we don't bother who (NA or Euro) has the most people. It would be up to players to decide. I believe this is not a good solution but it is not unfair to players (At least I would like to think so). Plus it serves other purposes: a) It adds a new Euro server for new players in Europe (since Teon and Frantz are usually heavy) b) NA players have a "clean" server (bad name, can't think of something else) to take advantage of.
NCsoft won't even do Server transfers.. I like your idea, but it will never happen. Dev was a NA server when it was turned on. So was every other one (besides Teon), then franz. As long as they get their money, they don't care, it's a business.
I am forced to agree with sly, When franz's came out, you were given a 2ND choice to choose a Euro server. It's your fault you stayed with a NA server, don't wine and complain about the times, you chose it, live with it.