Okay here si the situation, i own a Soul bow right now and i can get over how slow it is, i realy despise it, to add on to that, i cant afford an SA for it.
So the question is, Should i sell my soul bow and buy a carnage?
i already have a Blue 11 to put mana up on it, so yah...
Also don't bother with the mana up SA. Do yourself a huge favor and trade that crystal for one you can get Crit Bleed on.
If your a HE or a PR, at 66+ mp regen will not be as big an issue thanks to the BtM you get. If your a SR, well the Crit Bleed will be nice especially for you since your attk speed and crit rate are higher then any other archer. But realize you may run the risk of mp issues anyway if your a SR.
Best case scenario, buy a ++BoP/Soulbow/CS for pve and buy a ++Carnage/Crit Bleed for pvp. Unless your really rich then it's one or the other, and honestly the Carnage is a better bet.
wait... huh?
Carnage w/ bleed is usless for a archer
in pve the bleed wont ever help you unless your soloing 4x and then still isnt gunna increase your dmg enuff to make any sense
in pvp its usless unless your fighting a high hp class and even then your dmg out put w/ skills and regular shots is 1000x more than wat bleed is gonna do
imo if you are gonna pvp carn w/ mana = more max mana means more skills b4 your out
pve more mp isnt going help a whole lot especialy if your using b2m for mp... but it will give you more starting mp, more time b4 having to b2m, more mp for special archers self buffs or snipe etc
Soul Bow is higher patk but slower atk speed even w/ qr sa you cant get as many arrows in the air
the soul bow is a nice $ saver in the long run slower atk speed and higher patk means your using less shots and arrows for the same dmg
im not sayin carn and sb are = in the way of dmg due to speed im jus sayin over a period of time the soul bow can do more dmg for cheaper price while a carn will use more supply to do the same amount of dmg
i think if your short on cash get a nice oe BoP
+5 bop is = to +0 carnage in patk and has slow speed instead of the very slow the SB has
Bss and silver arrow is much cheaper to make than *** and mith arrow
selling the SB and blue 11 should leave you w/ enuff for a +7 BoP and have a little cash left over depending on your server saving $ on shots will let you save for a draconic or the new A focus bow
The OE BoP is a good idea, but he is wrong about Crit Bleed.
All crit bleed does is enhance your damage output over time. Obviously it is not going to work on Raidbosses, but cata/necro mobs, mobs with high hp, and in pvp tanks/Sws/Glads/BD's, dwarfs, pretty much every class but light and robe users, and maybe even be helpful against them as well. Damage over time skills timed with an archers ability to crit 1 in 4 shots is helpful in pvp. In most instances in actual pvp the chances of getting ultimate buffs/songs/dances is rare even on a siege ground where everyone spreads out.
Mana up is extremely overrated and the resale for it is almost non-exsistent at least on Hindemith. Sure you get more mp for skills and to enhance your btm skills I guess, but in the end your still out of mp in most instances and when you do have enough saved up for a Drac bow/Anyrid(sp?) Your SOL cause you can't sell that Caranage/mp.
It just depends on the archer I guess, some swear by crit bleed and some swear by no SA.
i did mention crit bleed being have use against high hp targets...
but what should be realized is that if your shootin somthing that takes more than 5 shots to kill... be it solo/group/pvp you should really find somthing else to kill... drop the mages or lightarmor users, low hp mobs solo, and if your group is killing so slow you have to shoot 20 times you should move on...
in most cases if your doing things right you target should be dead long b4 the crit bleeds duration is up... meaning it hasnt even done its full dmg.... and its full dmg is very small for a arher anyway....
crit bleed is a ok sa for none archer classes slow killers etc.
Agreed, and unlike the other SA's for the bow Bleed not only helps your damage output (even the tinest bit helps as anyone can agree) It also helps with resale value.
Mana up is more for healers, equip a mana up weapon and tell me how much it helps an archer that usually tops out at 1500 mp. is the extra percentage even worth it?
Also in C5, 7 archers hitting one fully buffed 78 Pally, it doesn't take long to drop him at all. But for when your out in the middle of nowhere and have to kite a pally the crit bleed eating up his cp would be more helpful then the extra mana for a stun or double shot that will prolly bounce off him like it's nothing. Crit Bleed will land on a crit even if he gets a shield block.
The only real plus side to the Carnage is it's attk speed. And for a medicore bow with lame SA's Crit Bleed is the best way to go. If your concerned so much with mp issues that you need the mana up SA then your honestly better off with a Soulbow/CS.
Not even close to S Grade and I already have 1600MP on my HE...on a rare occasion I go below 1000MP...since CG I never felt the use for Cheap Shot SA either.
The main point I was trying to make is mana up is pretty much useless for what the original poster wanted the bow for. But at 63 my SR had 1300 mp the 1500 was what I like to call a guesstimate.
well the original poster jus wanted a faster bow
a oe BoP w/ qr is by far the best choice especially since he noted that he had some $ issues... its faster, its cheaper on shots, cheaper arrows, and uses less mp
if he wanted A grade w/ SA for pvp bonus dmg then Carn w/ mana is a good choice, Carn w/ bleed work also... not my choice but it works
only time i noticed a real dmg increase from bleed sa was when my SK or BH used it my SRs dmg output killed everything b4 bleed had a chance to make a difference
its obvious some ppl <3 bleed so it must work for what your using it for but i do think oe BoP is the best choice until the anyrid(sp) w/ focus is available or untill your high enuff for a Drac
You're really over-rating crit bleed. The DPS of crit bleed is completely meaningless. Its level 4? bleed, it does like 27~ DPS.
From what you say you have obviously not a single clue of what Crit Bleed does.
I let you indulge your own way.
I have a rather good idea of what it does, it makes my cp not move.
Crit bleed gives effect 7 bleed (level 5) and does 31.5 dps over 10~15? seconds. Crit bleed does a total of 300-475 dmg depending on how long it last (I really dont care enough to go get the exact time) Either way, its meaningless.
And over those 10? or so seconds its active (about 8 seconds more than it takes to kill you) it does less damage than a normal non-crit. Id much rather have extra mp for an extra lethal shot/stun shot etc.
your wrong about 1 thing, soul bow w/ QR is the fastest shooting bow (for arrows) available, yes it is very slow, however the extra % over BoP QR means is shoots arrows faster. and once your talking higher lvl pvp anyway for an archer, that extra mp will be meaningless, if its mass pvp your going to occasionally stun your target but otherwise every moment your alive will be shooting someone normally. (and if your talking 1v1 a tank kite till away then pop the sagi skills to reduce mp consumption and skill reuse time so no need for mana up anyway) we archers dont survive on skills, those are a bonus, we survive on the crit rate of regular damage