i was thinking about this today, imagine that there was a mass battle of the races who would win?
what if you factored in lvling and gear aquisition as well? so say everyone could play their race for say 12 months but you are not allowed to lvl with anyone but your own race nor recieve buffs from other races
obviously dwarves are out of the competition but the other guys have to get their gear and shots from dwarves and thus have to actually be able to make adena in that time frame as well
They have prophets that have most buffs, decent archers, an awesome healer, decent summoners and nukers, great tanks and warrior classes.
Close combat orcs would be deadly, just imagine an army of angry titans with rage and frenzy self buffed and help from WC's CoV and OL's CP regen crashing in to an army of any other race.... but orc's suck at ranged.
Interesting question... i'd like to spin on it a little more if you dont mind;
Say there's a new server with new rules, no contact with other players outside your own race for example unless its in a PvP situation ie.. buncha DE's meets a bunch of dorfs and it results in a fight, that be the only form of contact allowed. No out of race buffs etc like nameless said.
Everyoen starts over from scratch under these rules and circumstances initially i would say dorfs would be in some deep ****e, lol, but if the dorfs would combine strengths and actually manage to level up to a fairly high range and able to craft their own gear i think they'd begin to kick ***, and hard too!
As with these 'no contact out of race' rules would prevent people from buying gears or shots from dwarves and prevent dwarves from selling to other races they would have to rely on the bad droprates for getting gear.. or hope they see a highgeared dorf being permared, lol, no shots either.. except the NG ones from NPC stores.
And later on in levels dwarves would be able to get high end gears when noone else would, gears and weapons and use shots.. though unbuffed i still think they'd wipe the server clean of other races, lol. face it... a lvl 66 melee in mid c grade gear is nowhere near as scary as a top a gear 66 dorf with shots is, even if the mid c guy is buffed, lol
*keeps dreaming of the day dorfs will rule the world*
yeah thats a good point about dwarfs but the other races would still have the option to raid and quest for gear (well only for some gear)
and when it comes to S grade dwarves would be screwed, i dont think even an army of dwarves could do the S grade recs quests with no outside buffs so you would prolly end up with the other races tradeing recs to dwarves so they can get gear and shots
but you just know there will be that one dorf that betrays the race and sells a drac bow to a HE for a few billion adena or boss jewles its just how we roll :P
I don't think any are thinking along the lines of start over. If you did how would your class move up to get in these grand battle?
DE and LE both have rechargers for their casters, and bows. Never forget both the races have dancers. Also stick with the SL and dwarfs would be a group outside of this race battle, highest pay would gain their services.
For those that have been about since closed beta think about the days before Noble, 3rd class. We had some awesome battles then and each class had something different to bring to the table. Also back then noone wanted to level them, but the dwarfs where the market through C2 for the most part. They pulled of the seiges with taking the walls and doors down. What I see here is a possible how it should have been before all this and it was fun without a doubt we had 2 guilds that where dwarf ran and full of them and dang they seemsed rich.
Any pet class it would be close, human warlock or necro because they would have prophet buffs, bishop heals, and the summoner doesn't need nice gear and the pet obviously needs none at all.
ES would be out of luck because they have no good buffers.
If any would look closely at game story live your dwarf class would not be in this fight. They would be the merchant the hired. It was the intention all along anyway. The dwarf even in battle was ment to be a hired element, this would mean they would not vattle more likely they would make it more intresting being played as they where intended.
I think dwarves would be at the most advantageous spot in this type of situation. While it would be difficult to get S Grade recipes, I do not think it is impossible to do so. Especially considering that dwarves would have the most money making skills of all races. Even simply crafting top b grade and selling it to NPC would make more money than other classes.
Would clan halls be allowed for buffs? If so, then there is no doubt that a fully geared dwarven clan would be much better than any other race would be able to be. We would still have difficulty against both orcs and humans due to in race buffs and orc skills, but we would definitely have our gear advantage.
A Soul Bow does considerably more damage than an Emi Bow, even when the Emi is over enchanted. And since top C Grade is the best you can get from mammon, This would be where most players would end up, gear-wise. Granted there would be the occasional full drop, but it wouldn't be nearly as good as a clan full of crafters and spoilers.
Would clan halls be allowed for buffs? If so, then there is no doubt that a fully geared dwarven clan would be much better than any other race would be able to be. We would still have difficulty against both orcs and humans due to in race buffs and orc skills, but we would definitely have our gear advantage.
very very good point
but dont underestimate the S grade recs quest keep in mind you need to kill 2 of the highest lvl raid bosses in game for armor recs and that just wont happen with a dorf only alliance
the weapon quest however could be fully soloed even for a dwarf but it would require so much down time or pot spam you would be better off buying from another race
only self buffs or race buffs are allowed for when the epic battle begins and it really makes me wonder if a dwarf alliance in full S grade could even compete with any other race even if they are in C grade
only self buffs or race buffs are allowed for when the epic battle begins and it really makes me wonder if a dwarf alliance in full S grade could even compete with any other race even if they are in C grade
I think the dwarf alliance would win for two reasons.
First the gear advantage would be enormous. The difference in gear levels is going to be fairly large. While it may not seem like much, a bunch of dwarves running round with Drac Bows/Focus are going to hurt. And it isn't actually that difficult to kill the Rift RB's. We have done it with three dwarves and a healer and buffer. Nine WS should have no problem killing one with their golems out.
Second would be the advantage of shots. By doubling damage, this would mean almost certain death for most other classes. Even HE, when fully buffed, using top a and shots only crits on me for about 1500. Subtract shots and top gear and you will see crits for a measly 300 or so, if that. The only class that is going to be able to do massive amounts of damage is destroyers because of frenzy, and then only for 90 seconds.
In the end, while this would be fun to test, it would never happen, because you would end up with a server full of dwarves who play dwarves on regular servers. And you would have no epic battle :( It would be fun to see a massive dwarf zerg of a castle tho. I would pay to be part of that.
You're forgetting one aspect in the dominance of the dwarves........... dagger classes can still 1-shot them reguardless of gear or shots. The dagger class skills would be what would do the dwarves in. Even with their higher gear and shots all it will take is either a dagger being able to combine skills right to get that lethal blow in or double-teaming with a tank (using hate to keep the dwarf's attention) to get in the other stabs.
If you did the race vs race I would say to follow the storyline and make it the way the game was ment to be. Humans vs all, DE's vs humans/elves, orcs vs humans/elves, elves vs orcs/de's, and dwaves laughing at them all as they take their money to make stuff so they can destroy each other into oblivion and therefore take over the world by default of being the last ones alive. :D
the only way to do this as you guys been explaining is to make it one toon per account so that the daggers and such couldnt just get a dorf craft their stuff and then go back to the dagger as they do in game already
i hope in L3 and aion that you can only pick one toon and be stuck with it which is another way of messing up bots/farmers and put them in same boat as everyone else
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And it isn't actually that difficult to kill the Rift RB's. We have done it with three dwarves and a healer and buffer. Nine WS should have no problem killing one with their golems out.
What about without healer and buffer? :o
It's always the gear/ss thing that puts a stick in the wheel of this kind of discussion. I agree that dwarves should be a neutral party, cooporating with everyone regardless of race for the almighty $ ;)
Even though it would be awesome to see an army of dwarves come storming :D
Dwarves would have the best gear/shots, and not including clan hall they'd have no buffs outside of what herbs give, no heals either, and no % rez other than expensive Brezzes.
It almost sounds like a fun experiment, seriously ;)