L2 Karma System Counterproductive

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Scenario:

I'm grinding in a non-packed area and some orc is running around killing mobs. I'm 1 shotting them from 900 range. After about 5 minutes he starts standing over my drops spamming pickup, and "stealing" the adena before I could get to it (human mystic run speed :( ). Next mob I kill he does the same thing and tells me he's taking the drops cause he was close to that mob.

So I turn around to kill other mobs in the other direction (away from him) and all of a sudden I'm getting attacked - so of course I turn to defend myself - since I was gonna die anyways (all CP gone, he was hitting in the 400s with some skill). He tells me "gf" and then proceeds to go kill other mobs. He was purple, and white a few seconds later. So basically I'm going to die anyways, so why PvP? What is the point of it? Why do I get "penalized" (-4% xp for "trying" to defend myself).

Yea yea, he was talking all kinds of smack in PMs about how he apparently owned me. I guess he didn't notice me getting a rez from a clannie and getting PP/SE buffs 900ft away, cause he got his issue. Now I got 1k karma and there's no way in hell I play to run around everywhere trying to work that off. I'll just camp him outside TI village and have fun there while I level off an alt.

Players should go red regardless of who attacked first and if the other person tried to defend themselves. Don't think I'll have anything to do with PvP from this day forth, it's counterproductive and I will not risk dropping the items I personally pulled multiple all-nighters farming adena to buy.
You might want to talk with your clannies some more. Im sure they will enlighten you. Ummm,, isn't your clan at war?
It wasn't a wartag (wartags PK for 1% xp loss, which I really don't care about that's 1 highly overcon mob that I can spam aura burn on and get the 1% back).

I'm talking about random people who PK for reasons beyond comprehension. Also u don't go red from killing a wartag, and thus don't have to worry about dropping your items after killing them. I believe you go purple only.

Maybe if all PvP XP loss was 1% i'd be able to eat it, but I refuse to stand there and let someone kill me knowing I will lose 4% exp, waste 45+k adena (cursed bones/CBSpS), lose all my buffs, and lose my hunting spot - most probably to soemone who will just work the karma off on their main because they are playing their sub at that moment - not having to worry about dropping their items after they kill me.

Player should go red from killing another player regardless of who attacked first, and if the other person attacked or not. The PvP system totally destroys the will to PvP at all. After that person gets their quick +1 PvP, they will just not flag the second time around and let you go red and then come back on their main (or with more people) and get you for drops.
you can go red against a war tag if the other clan isn't declared. also, at 1k karma that isn't your first kill, so you apparantly don't have issues pking people.^^ fyi: if you don't like being pk'd you might want to reconsider what tag you put over your head. ptptigers does not exactly have a stellar reputation.
you could have just picked up your drops, and stayed away from him. spend more time grinding, less time playing patty cake.

I bet you could have made more money if you would have just kept grinding, than what he picked up.

1k karma...what is that 10-20 mobs. Sounds like you wanted trouble.

Suggestion: less patty-cake....more grinding.

Evaluation: player counterproductive
Your requests are absolutely ludicrous. Go red even if your opponent flags back? Just don't flag back. Run, if you want to save your 4%. This would severely cut down on non-war pvp in this game. I'm not one of those people who are all pvpvpvpvp all the time, but I appreciate the fact that I can initiate pvp with someone who's ******* me off - and not go red if they flag back. -It's their choice to flag back. If they rather I go red on them, it's their choice, and mine.
I think you need to move to everquest
man im one of the biggest carebears on the whole of the NA servers and this thread still makes me sick
ggThx for goin on a spree deleting multiple posts in a thread. Mind as well delete the entire thread...
i tot pvp = 1 %? i was killed twice yesterday, i loss only 2 %.
Wartag PvP (both clans declared war) = 1%, I certainly lost 4% when I died to him.
The problem with the karma system is that its too easy to work off the red and too easy to switch to a subclass and work off the pk's at a lower level. We had an untagged necro with us to kill bots a few months back. He pk'd 6 bots. We then killed him and rezzed him 80% and he lost all karma fro the 6 pk's. That's an idiotic system.
Well, that is the benefit of having friends. How hard should it be to work off karma? if you keep your pk's low, it shouldnt be hard. and leveling a sin eater takes about a buff round whatever level you are.

Just avoid whacking people, and you won't have to worry about it.
*cough* pvp game *cough*
I can't handle people complaining about getting pked by idiots.
If you are having a problem getting pked by randoms then your going to be very unhappy later in the game.
Btw if a clan has declared on you they won't show as wartags and you still lose 4%
Try playing a game like RFonline if your unhappy with anyone being able to kill who they like. I hated that game, nothing worse then not being able to kill someone who is being an [censored] just coz they are the same race as you.
All of us put up with random PKs growing up though, its part of the game.
/agree with valdis
Op is a ****** imo, seriously turn red no matter wat...then you just took pvp completely out of the game and only left pk, if you dont like going red then dont [censored] kill someone who's white, it was your choice to pk him, so your fault. Seems karma system isnt counterproductive but you are.
go play guildwars.
Tired of the penalties for killing lowbies?