SoulBow: QR or CS? The better SA is.....

The anticipation is killing me. 40% more to A grade.

Last night I crafted my Soul Bow and enchanted it to +6. Stoppng there for now, since 600 p.atk should be good enough for the 60+ grind.

Now I just have to figure out which SA to put on it.

I'm leaning towards QR, since I have an SE for recharges. Speed and attack power are my two priorities (in that order). Naturally, the SB's attack speed rating of "Very Slow" concerns me. (I have QR on the BOP; even with Haste and maxxed out DEX, it still seems like I can't shoot arrows fast enough! :))

For those who have SB/QR, please let me know what your experiences are. Any major and/or annoying drawbacks PVP/PVE?

Same goes for Cheap Shot. Pros? Cons?

As always, appreciate your input.

If MP is never a problem foryou, why would you even consider CS? '__'

If MP is never a problem foryou, why would you even consider CS? '__'

I'm thinking CS might be best in group and hostile multiplayer interaction when mana management will be at a premium. Am I overanalyzing?

Errrrr ... yes? ;)

Whoever puts cs on a +6 soulbow deserves a good imo.

Don't waste your lvl 12 soul crystal on a Soul Bow SA. In fact... sell your Soul Bow asap. There is a new A grade bow coming in Interlude. It's more powerful than Soul Bow... has focus SA... and uses a lvl 12 crystal to grant it. The Soul Bow market is going to crash... and it's going to crash hard. Using your crystal now ( which is worth more than a soul bow on my server ) would be a waste.

Don't waste your lvl 12 soul crystal on a Soul Bow SA. In fact... sell your Soul Bow asap. There is a new A grade bow coming in Interlude. It's more powerful than Soul Bow... has focus SA... and uses a lvl 12 crystal to grant it. The Soul Bow market is going to crash... and it's going to crash hard. Using your crystal now ( which is worth more than a soul bow on my server ) would be a waste.

any idea what it will take to get that bow in interlude?
sounds like someone is counting chickens :P

QR all the way, CS is for CG.
Unless you use DC Light, MP will never be an issue for an archer. Herbs are your friends and your back up SE will just be there to donate an occasional heal and buff you up.

Don't waste your lvl 12 soul crystal on a Soul Bow SA. In fact... sell your Soul Bow asap. There is a new A grade bow coming in Interlude. It's more powerful than Soul Bow... has focus SA... and uses a lvl 12 crystal to grant it. The Soul Bow market is going to crash... and it's going to crash hard. Using your crystal now ( which is worth more than a soul bow on my server ) would be a waste.

Yeah, I know Shyeed is coming. Don't worry, I'm already preparing for it. However in the interim, I will be using the SB.

If the market remains true to form, demand for Shyeed and parts will certainly make it prohibitive, even for those of us who have adena to spare (you'll note that I crafted my soul bow even though I could have bought one outright. What can I say, I'm cheap! :D) We will probably be well into Interlude, perhaps even the second installment, before prices for the Shyeed drops sufficiently to make it worth crafting and, more importantly, overenchanting.

That said, I hope that I do get a Shyeed within the first week of Interlude...as a drop from an elpy. (If I'm gonna dream, might as well make it a good one.)

And no worries...even if I do get a Shyeed, I can always sell the SB and still make a profit.

By the way, I am going with QR. All day grinding has turned my brain into dust. Wasn't thinking clearly.

16% until A grade.........

Ding!!!

2 months til the price stabalizes. The demand will yield HEAVY farming depending on how hard parts/recs are to get.

Shyeed's Bow:
1 Recipe: Shyeed's Bow (60%)
15 Shyeed's Bow Shaft
3 Maestro Holder
340 Mithril Alloy
136 Durable Metal Plate
68 High Grade Suede
68 Compound Braid
68 Enria
254 Crystal: A-Grade
100 Gemstone A

As for the bow, I'd decide if you'd rather have it for PvE or PvE.
PvP: QS
PvE: CS

Where does the recipe the drop? The new island?

Where does the recipe the drop? The new island?

You can do a quest there for the recs and parts. Doubt the rec can drop/spoil.

Shyeed's Bow:
1 Recipe: Shyeed's Bow (60%)
15 Shyeed's Bow Shaft
3 Maestro Holder
340 Mithril Alloy
136 Durable Metal Plate
68 High Grade Suede
68 Compound Braid
68 Enria
254 Crystal: A-Grade
100 Gemstone A

I'm all over this. I have all of the base mats sitting in my WH. I just need to prepare myself mentally for the sticker shock of the shafts, recipe and dwarf craft price (you just know those dwarfs are gonna cash in, too). I may also sacrifice to the craft Gods in hopes that the 60% craft succeeds.

As for the bow, I'd decide if you'd rather have it for PvE or PvE.
PvP: QS
PvE: CS

Yeah, I kind of answered my own question when I said that I placed more priority on attack speed over power. It also dawned on me (I'm awake now :)) that most of my time will be spent PVE. Best to make it as enjoyable as possible.

I hunted with the naked Soul Bow before I put on the SA to test the speed. It isn't just "Very Slow". It is "watching-wet-paint-dry-in-high-humidity" slow, especially compared to the BOP/QR. This is going to take some adjustment. I may experiment with one of the attack speed enhancing armors just to make sure that I have the right feel.

It does hit hard, but I plopped down 3 more weapon enchants just to give the SB a bit more character. I'll leave it at +9 until I get Shyeed...if and when. Add QR and I'm good to go.

Thanks all.

I smell prices for basic materials will go up.
340 M. Alloy is no fun.

Prices won't overinflate considering how difficult the recipes and parts are apparently to get, according to reports from Korea. Although I'd be all for overinflated mats prices, might pay for my A Grade. :>

Prices won't overinflate considering how difficult the recipes and parts are apparently to get, according to reports from Korea. Although I'd be all for overinflated mats prices, might pay for my A Grade. :>

If you've stockpiled all of your basic mats now, I'm pretty sure you'll have no problems getting A grade after Interlude drops. If past history is any indication, mat prices will skyrocket once the new crafts and returning players are taken into account.

dino island on korea is DESERTED.

you will find it extremely hard to acquire that bow. definately more difficult than drac bow.

That new bow costs more than a SAed Drac Bow on the Korean servers.

Yep. These quests aren't just 'grind your *** off', they are 'grind your *** off at top level and die repeatedly to get an A Grade weapon'. Not most people's idea of fun.

People who assume there will be a healthy influx of the recipes and key mats are sorely mistaken.

Same applies to other new shiny A weapons I assume (except new duals)

Correct. :)

Yep. These quests aren't just 'grind your *** off', they are 'grind your *** off at top level and die repeatedly to get an A Grade weapon'. Not most people's idea of fun.

People who assume there will be a healthy influx of the recipes and key mats are sorely mistaken.

Good point.

I think I'll stick with my first plan: level with the SB/QR until S grade and quietly craft the Draconic. If a Shiyeed drops in my lap, so be it. But not going to hold my breath.

you just know those dwarfs are gonna cash in, too

You must have turned off your brain before you said that. Typical craft fees are very low compared to the price the dwarf has to pay for the recipes. For example, my ten S weapon recipes cost a total of 180 million adena. People complain about the 2 million adena fee I charge, but at an averge of 1-2 crafts a week, making my money back will take a long time.

I guess most people think dwarves get there recipes for free, but that rarely happens, and it ususlly involves a deal to give free crafting.

you just know those dwarfs are gonna cash in, too

You must have turned off your brain before you said that. Typical craft fees are very low compared to the price the dwarf has to pay for the recipes. For example, my ten S weapon recipes cost a total of 180 million adena. People complain about the 2 million adena fee I charge, but at an averge of 1-2 crafts a week, making my money back will take a long time.

I guess most people think dwarves get there recipes for free, but that rarely happens, and it ususlly involves a deal to give free crafting.



No. I was wide awake when I said that.

True, if you bought the recipe yourself, then feel free to pass along the overhead to the market. I'm not saying you can't.

But...


I know at least 5 high level warsmiths who almost never pay for a single recipe. Let's not downplay the "free recipe-for-free craft" transactions. That's bread and butter negotiations for a warsmith. It's how I managed to get more than 90% of the weapons and armor recipes that I have in my book. It's all a matter of how you network as a crafter.

And if you happen to be in one of the larger clans, it's also unlikely that you'll pay for every recipe that you get. After all, your clanmates want/need the craft to maintain competitive advantage with rivals.

Now before you riddle me with lead, just answer this: for those weapon and armor recipes that you did get for free, do you base your charge for the craft on MP (which is the only true cost of craft shops for dwarfs) or "fair" Market Rate?

My guess is you'll say market rate. That's what I charge. That's what the other crafters that I know who didn't pay for their armor and weapon recipes charge, too. That's just good business sense.

As a dwarf, there is no need to be defensive about that. When I said, "You just know those dwarfs are gonna cash in, too," it wasn't a condemnation.