I just heard that a chaotic character that has an augmented weapon cannot drop his weapon if he is killed.
WTH is up with this? YOU NCSOFT have now CHANGED the CORE of this game. The penalty for a red dropping his/her weapons has been accepted, hell even *I* accepted it when *I* dropped my +15 lance to a bot and quit for a short time.
Now WTH is with this new rule where a chaotic character cannot drop his weapon EVER?
This is really stupid now. YOU are really going carebear with this game. Now a Chaotic character can kill anyone above level 40 (without the 10 levels unkillable buff) without penalty, anytime, anywhere.
People have already accepted through 6 chronicles that red characters should get punished. Why then is it that now after 6 **** chronicles did you change this rule?
You continually shoot yourself in the foot. You change things that are NOT broken with this game and break them and never FIX the **** things that are broken with this game. What is this masochistic attitude you have with this game?
Everyone who agrees with me on this point please make your presence known to NCSOFT here and how much you dislike this change. Make your own thread and flood this board and show your dislike. Hell maybe it'll actually grab their attention this time.
They have now reduced this game to WoW's level of PvP that has no meaning whatsoever. Yeah Good fricken job NCSOFT.
ok for 1 it hasnt been 6 chronicles since a red could drop stuff
it used to be that EVERYONE could drop stuff when they died
anyway, yeah i agree that they should make it so that if you have over 15 PK count or something like 10k karma, AND you are red at the time that you die, that you can drop
Bsoes made th is game care bear.
Brezes made this game care bear.
Sin eater made this game care bear.
The 5 pk rule for drops made this game care bear.
Parties getting priority over red drops for 15 seconds made this game care bear.
Mobs no longer forcing people to drop gear made this game care bear.
The current war system is carebear on so many levels.
The weapon thing... it doesn't bother me much. I'd much rather get those epics than a dime a dozen weapon.
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I just realized who the OP was. Glad I got something in before the lock.
With ALL that said, a chaotic RED character STILL had a chance of dropping weapons when killed after the 5 PK mark.
Now they have totally eliminiated weapons dropping from the game. They have made this game carebear. It does not warrant the title "hardcore" any longer. It is and has to some degree become a WoW clone....how very very sad.
Well if you could drop Augmented weapons, then others could get the augment on them and it would be exploited.
You get an augment on a mage that would kick *** on a Hawkeye, so you go red and drop it as a trade.
Maybe this could work so that if you drop the weapon, you lose the Augment, but even then it could be exploited since taking off an augment costs alot.
well if you drop an augmented weapon why not just have it auto crystalize if the original owner isn't the one that picks it back up? That sounds fair to me and its in the spirit of Lineage 2's edgy PvP.
Also Bhodosativa, are you just a lame duck? Why the hell would anyone wear anything at all? Let me break this down to you so you can understand it ok? I know you always need a little help in this area.
Level 80 character stripped clean, nakid with a Draconic Bow or Arcana Mace.
1 shot level 40s - maybe even 60s all friggin day without penalties. Do you know why? Because they CANT DROP THEIR FRIGGIN WEAPONS. Isn't this what we wanted to avoid in the this game in the first place? Isn't this what WoW is all about?
Now I hope you *see* that NCSOFT just made this game into a big grief fest.
How about it NCSOFT? What's next? Are you going to make 0 xp loss now on death? LOL you might as well. Your supposedly "creative" developers couldn't figure out how to be creative enough so now your pushing to clone your game into WoW. That is really pathetic.
The next thing I expect is for the open PvP (outside of a war area/situation) to be eliminated...(that's y the duelling system has been introduced)
So,it's gonna be as blazer stated..."0 xp loss on death"... in a duel u reach death conditions (0 CP/0 HP) to have a winner...
I've said that in an earlier thread...but only time will tell...
Dual system means I don't have to go to the arena to test something, that I have no issue with. I have to agree here that if you are chaotic you should not have a way to avoid the loss of anything. It appears other changes to this game have made the core of it a past. I have watched people shout that PvP is so fun now that they have hero, etc. Anyone remember the 200 plus PvP wars outside of Giran or DvC, Armor and Weapons where lost did not seem to stop them or slow them this went on at least once a week.
I ahve to agree with this to some extent. If you decide that you want to go on a little PK spree you can just augment your weapon and away you go. When you're done just pop back and take the augment off.
I think the weapon should still be droppable but the augment should disappear when not in the possession of the augmentor.
And yes, I understand that there are more valuable items than weapons, but there aren't that many (especially if it's an OE'd SA'd S weapon).
augmentation removal on drop would be exploited for sure.
i think on weapon drop the current augmentation should stay but turn into unusable state. the new owner should pay for removing it and reapplying a new one.
Aren't any of you very angry that NCSOFT has literally turned this game into a bad version of WoW or slowly getting there?
Why can't they think of something ORIGINAL? Lineage 2 was original but more and more with each chronicle they are making it into WoW a game I seriously despise. If this evolution keeps going this way I think there will be DIRE consequences to this game with the existing playerbase which are not very WoW friendly.
Aren't any of you very angry that NCSOFT has literally turned this game into a bad version of WoW or slowly getting there?
no, but i am angry at NCSOFT that they designed the core of the game so unbalanced and vulnerable to exploiting, botting and ebaying that they will need years to fix it (if ever). but that's just my personal opinion.
augmentation removal on drop would be exploited for sure.
i think on weapon drop the current augmentation should stay but turn into unusable state. the new owner should pay for removing it and reapplying a new one.
Why not just make removing an augmentation free and increasing the cost to add one. That way automatically removing the augmentation from a dropped weapon would not be exploitable and you could make the weapon droppable for reds.
augmentation removal on drop would be exploited for sure.
i think on weapon drop the current augmentation should stay but turn into unusable state. the new owner should pay for removing it and reapplying a new one.
Why not just make removing an augmentation free and increasing the cost to add one. That way automatically removing the augmentation from a dropped weapon would not be exploitable and you could make the weapon droppable for reds.
ofc this would work too. the reasoning i see behind current system is that many people will make first augmentation without thinking about removal cost which is a good money sink. or maybe NC has some plans in future with dwarves and augmentation appliance or removal ? :confused:
Why not just make removing an augmentation free and increasing the cost to add one. That way automatically removing the augmentation from a dropped weapon would not be exploitable and you could make the weapon droppable for reds.
Excellent fix.
By the way: The BRez/shots to get back the experience after getting PKed are probably more expensive than removing te augmentation anyhow.
You play on Bartz right? I don't know why you're complaining...everytime I'm on, I see you just sitting in Giran. Unless someone else has a title that says Blazer X, in that case I apologize.
But, back on topic. You say this game is becoming carebear because reds can't drop their weap on death? Ya know they can still drop the rest of their gear right? Seems like you're just upset cause you dropped a good weap in the past and now you can't put someone else through that if given the chance.
Ah, and the WoW pvp part. Yep no risk in PVP now right? Wait....ah yes, there is still the exp loss, you can still drop other gear if you have over 5 pks, and there is still clan wars and castle sieges. Also national wars are coming and we are going to get air and sea battles in the coming updates, supposedly. LOL, they reduced this game's pvp to the level of WoW's? Hardly. If its so bad than do yourself a favor and quit.
Edit- ROFL @ your post on blah about the same thing
these so called "fixes" keep going from bad to worse. this pk-drop issue is one of them. this game was so nice when it was hardcore, guess the SOFT in NCSOFT doesnt stand for SOFTWARE
How about asking for player opinion before changing? it`s that the right way to do it?
These changes have the potential to encourage more pvp. I've seen people who were too nervous about pvp because they were afraid to lose a key piece of their gear, and now they're starting conflicts. Good changes imo.
Also NA and EU aren't the only markets for L2, we're only a fraction of what Korea has. So maybe they did ask players what they thought, just the ones this game was originally designed for.
You play on Bartz right? I don't know why you're complaining...everytime I'm on, I see you just sitting in Giran. Unless someone else has a title that says Blazer X, in that case I apologize.
But, back on topic. You say this game is becoming carebear because reds can't drop their weap on death? Ya know they can still drop the rest of their gear right? Seems like you're just upset cause you dropped a good weap in the past and now you can't put someone else through that if given the chance.
Ah, and the WoW pvp part. Yep no risk in PVP now right? Wait....ah yes, there is still the exp loss, you can still drop other gear if you have over 5 pks, and there is still clan wars and castle sieges. Also national wars are coming and we are going to get air and sea battles in the coming updates, supposedly. LOL, they reduced this game's pvp to the level of WoW's? Hardly. If its so bad than do yourself a favor and quit.
Edit- ROFL @ your post on blah about the same thing
Did you read my other posts? What if the RED in question that is very high level has no gear on him but his augmented weapon? He can grief forever against lower players that are above level 40 that can't get that buff that newbies now get.
The RED then would have no risk of losing his weapon. He will be free to kill without regard, anytime, anywhere with no consequence.
These changes have the potential to encourage more pvp. I've seen people who were too nervous about pvp because they were afraid to lose a key piece of their gear, and now they're starting conflicts. Good changes imo.
Also NA and EU aren't the only markets for L2, we're only a fraction of what Korea has. So maybe they did ask players what they thought, just the ones this game was originally designed for.
They tried this before on N00bie lands. The only thing that happened is high levels griefing lower ones or did you miss that part of the game...oh back before C3? You know, before there were tons of guards added to the newbie lands and Red players got teleported to Floran?
Now they don't have this restriction on the mainland. ALL a RED griefer has to do now is camp Gludin, Dion or Giran or anywhere they can 1 shot 40+ level players. It will be back to the GRIEFER days yet again!
NCSOFT does not learn from their mistakes. If it didn't work before, what the hell makes them think its going to work again?
I just heard that a chaotic character that has an augmented weapon cannot drop his weapon if he is killed.
WTH is up with this? YOU NCSOFT have now CHANGED the CORE of this game. The penalty for a red dropping his/her weapons has been accepted, hell even *I* accepted it when *I* dropped my +15 lance to a bot and quit for a short time.
Now WTH is with this new rule where a chaotic character cannot drop his weapon EVER?
This is really stupid now. YOU are really going carebear with this game. Now a Chaotic character can kill anyone above level 40 (without the 10 levels unkillable buff) without penalty, anytime, anywhere.
People have already accepted through 6 chronicles that red characters should get punished. Why then is it that now after 6 **** chronicles did you change this rule?
You continually shoot yourself in the foot. You change things that are NOT broken with this game and break them and never FIX the **** things that are broken with this game. What is this masochistic attitude you have with this game?
Everyone who agrees with me on this point please make your presence known to NCSOFT here and how much you dislike this change. Make your own thread and flood this board and show your dislike. Hell maybe it'll actually grab their attention this time.
They have now reduced this game to WoW's level of PvP that has no meaning whatsoever. Yeah Good fricken job NCSOFT.
sounds like you got pwnt.
now there really is no *real* consequence for someone who is bored of pve.
it has made the game more fun, less drama. i applaund NC for removing yet another batch of dramaqueens from the game.
Hey Spudnik is this your answer to everything? You sound like a robotic drone and its tiresome. Try some thinking before you type next time yes and contribute.
Drama is going to be increased with this change, not removed. You will get more people now in the 40-60 range crying bloody murder and /quitting the game.
I really don't understand NCSOFT's reasoning behind the "NO DROP" rule for augments? If they didn't do it SA'd weapons, what in the WORLD was their reasoning to make it for Augmented weapons?
Did you read my other posts? What if the RED in question that is very high level has no gear on him but his augmented weapon? He can grief forever against lower players that are above level 40 that can't get that buff that newbies now get.
The RED then would have no risk of losing his weapon. He will be free to kill without regard, anytime, anywhere with no consequence.
Right, I forgot that there isn't the chance of reds dying and getting deleveled to where they can't use said weapon anymore.
Most perma-reds don't take the time to keep exp up, they simply do not care about the character, and probably have a higher level main funding their pk-toon. To those perma-reds who choose to play the game as a chaotic character (be a pker and still constantly grind)...I salute you.
I spent 5.5 mil to put a crappy low level augment on my +10 homu because we DO have 1 way wars. This way I can PK them whenever and NOT worry about losing the homu that I am borrowing from clan.
It does NOT carebear up the game. It FREES UP the game. You are looking at it from one direction, I look at it from another.
Are you guys just not getting it? If you want that game why dont you just play WoW because THATS EXACTLY HOW WoW PLAYS get it?
Are you saying that having meaningless PvP is what you wanted all along? Why the hell play Lineage 2 then? Play Shadowbane or some other [censored] game.
Lineage 2, the core was always about cause and effect and consequences for your actions. Now REDs have no such consequence whatsoever. If you guys wanted to degnerate this game into a huge gank-fest I don't see why you have to do it in this game? Play something thats already doing that now. Play WoW.
Meaningful PvP is what L2 was always about. I would seriously like to know what NCSOFT was thinking making this change to make it like this?