First point of RULES OF CONDUCT:
"While playing Lineage II, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players."
On Gustin chinese farmers kill ( PK ) everyone they see on beast farm especialy when they have a bounty hunter in party.
They do that in the only pupose to have a monopol of the A grade helmet recipes you can spoil there.
The Beast farm is emtpy most of the time so there is no need to kill the people that want to hunt there.
As for me the beast farm is a great place for my bounty hunter to lvl because of the beast buffs and heals. But also any other character could have good exp with a lot benefits of the trained beasts.
So even i get killed i try to go there as often i can and also try to avoid to disturb the farmers.
When i see them i also try to run away or soe to avoid death.
I really try to dont have trouble with that guys but even if im already using a soe they start hit my party to interupt the soe and kill us.
If we defend ourselfs and maybe kill 1 or 2 of them they log in high level characters lvl 78 to kill the 3 ppl of us.
If you get more friends to help defend they log even more high level characters.
Beside im a bounty hunter and cant even defend myself there is nothing i or my friends can do about it.
That means my friends and i cant enjoy the game.
Is there anything on the support side that can be done about that ? I already declared war aganst 2 of the 3 clans to loose only 1% per death while they dont accept.
Loosing that amont of exp is not fun for no real reason.
in the last 2 months i got Pked like 60 times while i only hunt there because i like the spot and its easy without needing a healer.
Moving to another spot is no real option.
What if the players who were pk'ing you were "legit". Then their actions would be within the scope of normal gameplay.
So the actions themselves are not threatening as they are allowed and considered normal gameplay.
The other issue is whether or not these players ARE legit. And the only recourse you have is to either remove them (which an old alliance of mine did - was a very memorable gameplay moment as all of us went red on the farmers and then took Lillith) and/or report them and see if NC recognizes them for what they are.
If they do, they probably have >5 PKs so will drop on death. Have a bunch of high level friends waiting nearby in ambush and kill them when they go red. Be sure to agree ahead of time how the drops will be divided.
If they don't go read then you are hitting back and going purple, right? Try not hitting back. If they are unwilling to go red then ignore them and they will have to go away, or go red. If they go red, do the above.
As much of a "carebear" as I am, I have to agree with Mulch and RumPunch.
Part of this game is having the stones to man up and fight for what you want. If you are unable to do it, grow stronger until you are. If you still are not, make friends that are.
First point of RULES OF CONDUCT:
"While playing Lineage II, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players."
Let me explain that.
"I'm going to find your house and beat you up!" = NOT OK
"I'm going to PK you back to level 4!!!" = perfectly ok
Hmm so first i need to know what "legit" means to you.
I fail to see why someone can PK me over and over again for no reason legit or not ( there is plenty of space its only one group ) and thats no normal gameplay for me and never was. It takes me a whole day to get exp of one PK back and i can play like 2-3 hours per day only. I play a bounty hunter i dont/cant/want PVP.
That place is the place to go for my bounty hunter getting buffs and heals and good spoils. If i cant go there i wasted all the time on my bountyhunter. I cant stay there forever i will outlvl the mobs sooner or later but the time i can hunt there i want to.
I really want to see you im my place without a big ally just a causual player with a few friends having only one spot where you can hunt and some jerks show up and kill u every time they see u for months and your unable to do anything about it. Then tell me how is that normal gameplay and why they entiteld to do that legit or not.
I pay 15$ too.
In the last 3 days i could finally get 20 % to get 68 because they where not around. That only took me over a 2 months to get that 20%.
So what should i put in the report text and what option ?
Ohh well nice suggestions but most of the high lvl players wont care or waste time on that.
The farmers go red but they dont care and if they get pawned they log in high lvl (75-79 ) characters or port there.
A lot allys did try and some even come and do but it wont help.
I dont whine about it i just asked is there an option but it seems not. It seems its totally ok.
Go log in to gustin and visit beast farm you will see its empty and if you see characters there will be from dragonfire ally and the very next moment they come and kill you if your spotted.
They ruin the game for all legit bounty hunters ( not that there are many to care for ) and maybe for some other players too that wanna stay legit.
I'll bet you could get a group of high enough players who would just LOVE to wait by a port in spot for fully geared Red players to port in. If you negotiate well, tell them you will give them the opportunity to kill these reds for 1/4 of the value of the drops. You will get rich, they will get rich, the reds will get what they deserve.
However, there is also a plan B some may prefer. PM the farmers and nicely ask if you can hunt there. Sometimes they give permission. You may have to offer them 50k or 100k (which is unfortunate) but if you make friends with them, your problem is solved.
There are always lots of possible solutions, one of the things I love about the game!
PS Would it be possible to have the post above which recommends r*p*ing other players removed? Thanks, Mystryl.
On Teon they banned some Clans in past cronicles. They were farming RB's.
There is nothing you can do about that. I suggest you to get over it or join a really strong ally and then pursuade them to start a Karma war with theese people.
Really feel sorry for you cause you could do a lot of money there.
Hmm so first i need to know what "legit" means to you.
I fail to see why someone can PK me over and over again for no reason legit or not ( there is plenty of space its only one group ) and thats no normal gameplay for me and never was. It takes me a whole day to get exp of one PK back and i can play like 2-3 hours per day only. I play a bounty hunter i dont/cant/want PVP.
That place is the place to go for my bounty hunter getting buffs and heals and good spoils. If i cant go there i wasted all the time on my bountyhunter. I cant stay there forever i will outlvl the mobs sooner or later but the time i can hunt there i want to.
I really want to see you im my place without a big ally just a causual player with a few friends having only one spot where you can hunt and some jerks show up and kill u every time they see u for months and your unable to do anything about it. Then tell me how is that normal gameplay and why they entiteld to do that legit or not.
I pay 15$ too.
In the last 3 days i could finally get 20 % to get 68 because they where not around. That only took me over a 2 months to get that 20%.
So what should i put in the report text and what option ?
It means "not bots". Or more to the point "not farmers".
And though I am sorry that you are not getting the gameplay experience you want, I am very much aware that you don't know the "in's and out's" of the game you are playing.
This is a full pvp/pk game. And yes, I know it can be a pain in the neck to those players who don't revel in this type of gameplay.
But for anyone who was around at the start (and can back me on this) they will tell you that the game is so far different then what it used to be.
What about the high lvl players who would spend an entire week on Talking Island and not let players leave?
What about the High lvl players who would routinely go to low lvl hunting grounds and wipe all the players as a matter of course.
This is not harrassment but how the game is meant to be played. There have been numerous posts through the years of players complaining about this but it is the game.
Heck, I knew full well that this was "par for the course" and felt that I would only stay in the game for a week because of this.
I remember when I first started playing, I would leave Dark Elf village and would suspiciously "eye" everyone thinking that I would be ganked at any moment.
And though it never happened at those times, it did happen.
I also recall the first time I was pk'ed and even more, when I actually got the same guy back.
So yes, I'm sorry you are having a bad time of it. Really. But that is the game. Should farmers be able to control raid bosses? Of course not. Should regular players be able to control raid bosses and close down hunting areas? Well, according to the developers, "yes".
It's the game we play and I'm sure when players get sick of it they will move on.
I'll add something, that EULA statement about not harassing players refers to players not harassing you in "real life'. That includes actually threatening "you" the player (not your character) not using sexist or racist slurs or dressing you down with profanity.
On Teon they banned some Clans in past cronicles. They were farming RB's.
There is nothing you can do about that. I suggest you to get over it or join a really strong ally and then pursuade them to start a Karma war with theese people.
Really feel sorry for you cause you could do a lot of money there.
yups but if bots dont take the"importent"things (rb super good exp spots) then nc doesnt ban them
like outside dion under IT i reported them 5x no ban >_>
I read all the post on this subject and it still amazes me that the majority of people that post here are jerks. You are right they should leave you alone. The JERKS that post saying that you are wrong need to get a life. Gaining pleasure (for you idiots “Player killing”) at the expense of someone else happiness is wrong and should not be allowed by NCSoft but since they are controlled by North Korea so you probably won’t see that change. That country needs to re-address its stance on aggression. For those of you JERKS think this is a PVP game it is not a good one. It’s poor to say the least due to the true in balance in the game classes. Most of these JERKS think ZERGING one player means something. WRONG IDOTS IT MEADNS YOU ARE A COWARD! What this game is is a very good MASS PVP game because working together in MASS PVP is balanced. ONE LAST WORD FOR THE JERKS A GAME MUST BE FUN FOR ALL PLAYERS FOR IT TO BE FUN [removed].
I read all the post on this subject and it still amazes me that the majority of people that post here are jerks. You are right they should leave you alone. The JERKS that post saying that you are wrong need to get a life. Gaining pleasure (for you idiots “Player killing”) at the expense of someone else happiness is wrong and should not be allowed by NCSoft but since they are controlled by North Korea so you probably won’t see that change. That country needs to re-address its stance on aggression. For those of you JERKS think this is a PVP game it is not a good one. It’s poor to say the least due to the true in balance in the game classes. Most of these JERKS think ZERGING one player means something. WRONG IDOTS IT MEADNS YOU ARE A COWARD! What this game is is a very good MASS PVP game because working together in MASS PVP is balanced. ONE LAST WORD FOR THE JERKS A GAME MUST BE FUN FOR ALL PLAYERS FOR IT TO BE FUN [removed].
I kinda want to make a character on whatever server your on just to pk the hell out of you.
Personally I agree that taking pleasure from hurting another player (Pking) is a moral failing on the part of the PKer. Others disagree for various reasons, and I disagree with them.
However, I also like the harshness of Lineage2. It is up to us to create a society where the abuses of power are limited. This society is still being formed by the players. I very much like that it is not imposed on us from above by game rules which would be akin to our mothers and fathers protecting us from the real world of harsh bosses and lost loves. That is a part of what makes this a more hardcare game than most you see and this game isn't for everyone. But it is a struggle between good and evil, between good and evil players, not a 'pretend' good and evil designed by the developers of the game.
By the way, NCSoft is headquartered in South Korea, a working democracy, not North Korea.
Hmm so first i need to know what "legit" means to you.
I fail to see why someone can PK me over and over again for no reason legit or not ( there is plenty of space its only one group ) and thats no normal gameplay for me and never was. It takes me a whole day to get exp of one PK back and i can play like 2-3 hours per day only. I play a bounty hunter i dont/cant/want PVP.
umm, maybe you havent noticed, but this is a open PVP game....!?! sounds like you are playing the wrong game.
I read all the post on this subject and it still amazes me that the majority of people that post here are jerks. You are right they should leave you alone. The JERKS that post saying that you are wrong need to get a life. Gaining pleasure (for you idiots “Player killing”) at the expense of someone else happiness is wrong and should not be allowed by NCSoft but since they are controlled by North Korea so you probably won’t see that change. That country needs to re-address its stance on aggression. For those of you JERKS think this is a PVP game it is not a good one. It’s poor to say the least due to the true in balance in the game classes. Most of these JERKS think ZERGING one player means something. WRONG IDOTS IT MEADNS YOU ARE A COWARD! What this game is is a very good MASS PVP game because working together in MASS PVP is balanced. ONE LAST WORD FOR THE JERKS A GAME MUST BE FUN FOR ALL PLAYERS FOR IT TO BE FUN [removed].
Well, for the record, I'm not arguing the merit of players who do this. I'm not arguing that they are good or bad. I am arguing that the game is set up this way and it "is what it is".
To go further, it's like playing tackle football. Some might argue that the 198 lb guy tackling the 120 lb guy might not be right but it is a tackle football game. That is the idea.
You don't see me playing rugby as I would get slaughtered 5 times over. But I don't complain that it's unfair. It's tackle football, I know the parameters of the game and know that it is not for me.
If you want to argue the character of people who grief/pk other players many lvls below them then that's fine by me. But you can't argue that they shouldn't be allowed to do this in a game that is made so that they can. Well, you can argue it but you would be arguing about core gamplay elements that are the cornerstone of this game.
The game is what it is. For good and bad.
Mystryl has even pointed out that what Ellie said is correct. The game can just be harsh. It's a shame but there it is.
Roleplayers realise: Harrassing a player and harrassing a character are two completely different things. If they aren't to you, it's probably time to quit.
While I completely agree that it's entirely harsh that Firedragon tries to lock down the Farm, it's just as everyone else has said, and that's part of the game. The one thing NOT mentioned here, is what they FireDragon morons are actually doing with the items and spoils they get. Are they using them for themselves? Are they just selling them on the market? And what happens to the money they make IF they sell them on the market?
There are all sorts of questions that can be asked of these guys, and none of us will find out the answer. I know in GG, we sometimes just feel like taking out some aggression on someone, and these morons wind up getting the brunt of it. It's not that we're all angry and stuff, just more of a test for mass pvp. We own them pretty much everytime with a tiny amount of losses if any.
The best thing for you to do is find another place to level, come back later when you've subclassed a mage or archer, then destroy them. They're not that tough to pvp, honestly. You have the options of fighting them, or not fighting them. Walking away from the area doesn't make you a carebear, it just makes you smart at PvE. Just holler at a hero and usually they might come and take care of the problem for a while. They also venture out of the area once in a while to other catacombs too.
just holler at a hero and usually they might come and take care of the problem for a while. They also venture out of the area once in a while to other catacombs too.
Locking down hunting areas is a good strategy if you're warring other clans/alliances. It is also a good strategy to garner some nice income if you can lock the supply of certain items that way.
And there's plenty of places for a dwarf of your lvl to exp in, just make a few healer friends and you dont need a buffalo.
While I completely agree that it's entirely harsh that Firedragon tries to lock down the Farm, it's just as everyone else has said, and that's part of the game. The one thing NOT mentioned here, is what they FireDragon morons are actually doing with the items and spoils they get. Are they using them for themselves? Are they just selling them on the market? And what happens to the money they make IF they sell them on the market?
LOL u play on gustin and in GG ally and dont know what they do with the items ?
Take a look around in giran and aden. They sell A grade helmets for the most part. There clans are yourfriend, firedragon and angelnnbd all in dragonfire ally. While angelnnbd clan is always on the Bestfarm getting recipes and materials the others hang out in toi or catas. Even there i get killed by them.
I tryed serveral times to talk with them but they are chinese and dont understand well. I also tryed to be nice with a few chinese words i know.
What they do with all the money ? Hmm hard to tell i guess not founding allymembers because at the best farm they run around in b grade and that stuff isnt to expensive to loose.
The best thing for you to do is find another place to level, come back later when you've subclassed a mage or archer, then destroy them. They're not that tough to pvp, honestly. You have the options of fighting them, or not fighting them. Walking away from the area doesn't make you a carebear, it just makes you smart at PvE.
Thats stupid i need to get A grade helmet recipes for friends and me and i have the right lvl to get them there. Moving away is not an option cause i cant get recipes then.
and lvl up to get a subclass and kill them then ? what does it help me then ? I need the recipes now not when i got a subclass at lvl 78.
Smart at pvp is for a bounty hunter where you can get the best spoils at his lvl not the most exp.
Maybe your ally should come all day and kill em away since ur a big one.....
Hmm so first i need to know what "legit" means to you.
I fail to see why someone can PK me over and over again for no reason legit or not ( there is plenty of space its only one group ) and thats no normal gameplay for me and never was. It takes me a whole day to get exp of one PK back and i can play like 2-3 hours per day only. I play a bounty hunter i dont/cant/want PVP.
umm, maybe you havent noticed, but this is a open PVP game....!?! sounds like you are playing the wrong game.
Hmm no i play the wrong class not the wrong game mate.
My BH vs there dwarf, bladedancer, prophet and se = im dead
My BH and a friend BD vs there dwarf , bd, pp, se = we dead
My BD and friends BD, WC vs them = we dead
If we manage to kill one or two they get rezzed from healers = we dead
If me manage to kill the healers = no HP for them left we dead
If we manage to damage them a lot = they run away and log lvl 78 chars = we dead
IF we do nothing = we dead and they go red then they kill the char and rez him they white
Ever did pvp 1 vs 1 with a BH ? I never did it always was 2-5 vs me. This game is GvP not PvP.
Oh and yes my BH can own what class ? maybe a SE.....
How often you PvP with your low lvl BH ? You cant even compare that with a high lvl chars and a BH.
I think they play the wrong game they should go play counterstricke.
Actually you don't have the "right" to anything in this game, in the way you are thinking about it. If someone, doesn't matter who (for arguments sake ok?), locks down an area and doesn't want you there, you are out of luck.
You can't say hey, I want to exp here you must let me. Well you can but no one will enforce it.
It means "not bots". Or more to the point "not farmers".
I think they are booth but i have no proof. I only see they sell Helmets with 15 chars or more in giran and 2-3 in Aden. That entitels them to me as farmers but i dont know what they do with all that money they get so.
And though I am sorry that you are not getting the gameplay experience you want, I am very much aware that you don't know the "in's and out's" of the game you are playing.
I play since open beta i think i know what kind of game i play. The only thing is i play the game different then most ppl and i see no honor in ganking up chars. You know its vice versa watch the movie 300 you might understand.
This is a full pvp/pk game. And yes, I know it can be a pain in the neck to those players who don't revel in this type of gameplay.
But for anyone who was around at the start (and can back me on this) they will tell you that the game is so far different then what it used to be.
What about the high lvl players who would spend an entire week on Talking Island and not let players leave?
What about the High lvl players who would routinely go to low lvl hunting grounds and wipe all the players as a matter of course.
That did happen a lot in the past nowadays it get prevented from the new PK blessing.
Strange to see its part of the game but newbies got protected nowadays.
This is not harrassment but how the game is meant to be played. There have been numerous posts through the years of players complaining about this but it is the game.
Heck, I knew full well that this was "par for the course" and felt that I would only stay in the game for a week because of this.
I remember when I first started playing, I would leave Dark Elf village and would suspiciously "eye" everyone thinking that I would be ganked at any moment.
And though it never happened at those times, it did happen.
I also recall the first time I was pk'ed and even more, when I actually got the same guy back.
So yes, I'm sorry you are having a bad time of it. Really. But that is the game. Should farmers be able to control raid bosses? Of course not. Should regular players be able to control raid bosses and close down hunting areas? Well, according to the developers, "yes".
It's the game we play and I'm sure when players get sick of it they will move on.
I'll add something, that EULA statement about not harassing players refers to players not harassing you in "real life'. That includes actually threatening "you" the player (not your character) not using sexist or racist slurs or dressing you down with profanity.
Why are farmers in your statement not allowed to control Raidbosses but normal players should ? The time they do the RB they all play like you there is no difference.
If you say they should not control Raidbosses why its ok then they controll an aeria ?
If they treat my character they already tread me as player aswell. They cost me time and money i could spend elsewhere if im not forced to get the lost exp back.
I dont whine about the Pks i only asked if i can do something against it while my friends and me are unable to do that in the game.
This kind of behavior is bad and finding that ok makes that person not better. Fighting over it seems ok if it was only fair since the 3 years i play i saw to many cheaters to get any interest in PvP. And dont get me wrong i dont say anyone of you are one. I enjoy the game different that all.
Actually you don't have the "right" to anything in this game, in the way you are thinking about it. If someone, doesn't matter who (for arguments sake ok?), locks down an area and doesn't want you there, you are out of luck.
You can't say hey, I want to exp here you must let me. Well you can but no one will enforce it.
Yeah i know its bad luck. Maybe i should take a break and have someone that tells me when i can play again then.
Or maybe you should reconsider what kind of game you play. Lockdowns are not only part of the game, they were desired and encouraged by the developers. PvP with a -gaspshock- point. How novel.
If you can't win, you have to deal with the left-overs. That is the kind of situation L2 puts you in.
Whant to end this problem?? Common NC bring back the item drops on any pk count. Pk count should never been able of get reseted.
And please bring back also the drop on die, the game was a lot funnier in the way it was. Looks like a carebear game now, we can die over and over and don't care much becouse we are only loosing xp, not stuffs... The only reason i see for we not drop stuffs on death, is that it looks like a protection made to increase the bot population...
It means "not bots". Or more to the point "not farmers".
I think they are booth but i have no proof. I only see they sell Helmets with 15 chars or more in giran and 2-3 in Aden. That entitels them to me as farmers but i dont know what they do with all that money they get so.
And though I am sorry that you are not getting the gameplay experience you want, I am very much aware that you don't know the "in's and out's" of the game you are playing.
I play since open beta i think i know what kind of game i play. The only thing is i play the game different then most ppl and i see no honor in ganking up chars. You know its vice versa watch the movie 300 you might understand.
This is a full pvp/pk game. And yes, I know it can be a pain in the neck to those players who don't revel in this type of gameplay.
But for anyone who was around at the start (and can back me on this) they will tell you that the game is so far different then what it used to be.
What about the high lvl players who would spend an entire week on Talking Island and not let players leave?
What about the High lvl players who would routinely go to low lvl hunting grounds and wipe all the players as a matter of course.
That did happen a lot in the past nowadays it get prevented from the new PK blessing.
Strange to see its part of the game but newbies got protected nowadays.
This is not harrassment but how the game is meant to be played. There have been numerous posts through the years of players complaining about this but it is the game.
Heck, I knew full well that this was "par for the course" and felt that I would only stay in the game for a week because of this.
I remember when I first started playing, I would leave Dark Elf village and would suspiciously "eye" everyone thinking that I would be ganked at any moment.
And though it never happened at those times, it did happen.
I also recall the first time I was pk'ed and even more, when I actually got the same guy back.
So yes, I'm sorry you are having a bad time of it. Really. But that is the game. Should farmers be able to control raid bosses? Of course not. Should regular players be able to control raid bosses and close down hunting areas? Well, according to the developers, "yes".
It's the game we play and I'm sure when players get sick of it they will move on.
I'll add something, that EULA statement about not harassing players refers to players not harassing you in "real life'. That includes actually threatening "you" the player (not your character) not using sexist or racist slurs or dressing you down with profanity.
Why are farmers in your statement not allowed to control Raidbosses but normal players should ? The time they do the RB they all play like you there is no difference.
If you say they should not control Raidbosses why its ok then they controll an aeria ?
If they treat my character they already tread me as player aswell. They cost me time and money i could spend elsewhere if im not forced to get the lost exp back.
I dont whine about the Pks i only asked if i can do something against it while my friends and me are unable to do that in the game.
This kind of behavior is bad and finding that ok makes that person not better. Fighting over it seems ok if it was only fair since the 3 years i play i saw to many cheaters to get any interest in PvP. And dont get me wrong i dont say anyone of you are one. I enjoy the game different that all.
Ok, then you are aware of the game dynamic. Then I don't really understand the issue.
And for the record, I agree with you that Very high lvl players should not be ganking lower lvl players. But I do accept it as part of the game. Also, yes it's true that there is the new blessing that came with Interlude. But that still doesn't stop a lvl 80 player from pk'ing a lvl 40 player.
My guess is that NC included it in order to try to get new player's to stay.
And I don't include farmers because farmers farm items and sell them/adena on the internet. Therefore they are breaking the EULA and therefore do not belong in the game.
However, if a group of farmers decided that they didn't want to do this and wanted to farm raid bosses for their clan then yes, they could lock down the area and pk whoever they want to.
It just seems to me that you don't like completely open nature of the pvp in this game. And this is such an old argument. Though, Perhaps you should be asking for an alternate rules server?
But essentially, (even with the newbie blessing) the game is open pvp. But you know this, so I suppose the there is not much of a choice but to either learn to live with it, hope that NC makes an alternate rules server, or not play.
I know of many people who chose the last, which is sad because they are good people.
Or maybe you should reconsider what kind of game you play. Lockdowns are not only part of the game, they were desired and encouraged by the developers. PvP with a -gaspshock- point. How novel.
If you can't win, you have to deal with the left-overs. That is the kind of situation L2 puts you in.
Part of the game? I think you're being rather ignorant regarding the behaviour of these people.
They are NOT players. Their actions in game are dictated solely by a desire to extort real life money from people by monopolizing in game resources for their cartel. They are engaging in behaviour that is considered breaking the law in real life. (extortion, exploitation of monopoly, racketeering etc.)
IF these were actual 'players' they would not be able to 'lockdown' anything 24/7 in perpetuity. Real life would prevent them from doing so. Not only would their clan/ally be under constant pressure by other players, but their own players would be constantly seeking to move to higher level areas or engage in other in-game activities....not sit in one area 356 days a year 24 hours a day never leveling out of range or interacting with the rest of the server community....in short they are EMPLOYEES of an external organization.
And pvp with them is pointless. Regardless of wether they win or lose, they are paid to be there and make their presense irritable enough that YOU LEAVE. If they do it by pking your character or just by making it so that the effort needed to remove/pk them is greater than what you are able to bring on a constant basis is irrelevant to them. They don't care...they are being paid not to.
They are playing the game under different 'rules' than the rest of the server, and thus NC needs to treat them differently as well if they wish 'normal' players to continue to play L2 and not quit or 'cheat to compete' as well.
Whant to end this problem?? Common NC bring back the item drops on any pk count. Pk count should never been able of get reseted.
And please bring back also the drop on die, the game was a lot funnier in the way it was. Looks like a carebear game now, we can die over and over and don't care much becouse we are only loosing xp, not stuffs... The only reason i see for we not drop stuffs on death, is that it looks like a protection made to increase the bot population...
What should that help ? It will be like this then they damage me while i wack on a mob and the mob kills me. I drop some of my gear and the farmers pick up.
Result i quit game problem solved..............yeah
IF these were actual 'players' they would not be able to 'lockdown' anything 24/7 in perpetuity. Real life would prevent them from doing so.
This is so very true.
Actually, it isn't necessarily so.
While the individual toons might not be able to lockdown an area 24/7 (and who says they do? Our "protagonist" in this thread obviously can't play 24/7 either) members of the same clan/alliance that have 24/7 play times certainly could, if it were the desire and goal of the alliance to do so.
Since they're getting these items, its obviously profitable for them, so why not "farm" the same area non-stop?
While the individual toons might not be able to lockdown an area 24/7 (and who says they do? Our "protagonist" in this thread obviously can't play 24/7 either) members of the same clan/alliance that have 24/7 play times certainly could, if it were the desire and goal of the alliance to do so.
Not even an alliance with enough people and a goal to do so would be able to for long. Sure you could do it for a few weeks, but beyond that every day extra starts to become harder and harder to continue with.
Why? Because goals *change* in an alliance of 'real' players. Doing the same thing all the **** time is boring. People will want to move on and do other things in the game. And as their level rises, staying to lockdown a specific area below theirs becomes less and less fun....it ceases to be a game and becomes more and more like a *JOB*.
And a clan/ally with such diverse play hours among it's members will certainly find it hard to retain those players. Turnover alone is enough to ensure that a clans goals will change over time. Inevitably, some of those who leave will have things in common (like play times!) and it is likely that they will form their own clan/ally and contest the same things which will create yet more turnover and less 'lockdown' than existed. And that isn't even considering the fact that the rest of the server can band together to break strangleholds. And once broken it can be harder to recreate one than it is to maintain one.
Without an external force (Real life money) propping up a group of players, natural tendencies and re-actions will ensure that nothing lasts forever. (The history of Gustin alone is enough to verify, as the past existence of Eternal Alliance is a good example of this.)
Since they're getting these items, its obviously profitable for them, so why not "farm" the same area non-stop?
Because it is only the ability of these people to monopolize the area that makes it profitable!
If players were completely free to play in this area the market for these items would implode and make it *UN*profitable.
Even now the market for the items from this area are falling at a rapid pace. This is largely due to market forces that are outside the control of the monopolists. (Such as market saturation/shrinkage and demand elasticity.)
It doesn't help them any that the methods and practices that they use are also factors that shrink the market as well. There *are* other games out there for example that do not force you to deal with these people and actual gamers can choose to play those instead. Even if they exist within those games as well, it is easier and simpler to avoid these people entirely, unlike in L2.
I really want to see you im my place without a big ally just a causual player with a few friends having only one spot where you can hunt and some jerks show up and kill u every time they see u for months and your unable to do anything about it. Then tell me how is that normal gameplay and why they entiteld to do that legit or not.
I pay 15$ too.
You pay $15 to play the game. You do not pay $15 to be able to exp in peace.
And yes, I am a pve carebear, too :)
Of course if they are farmers, they deserve to be banned - so petition them over and over again, it's the only thing you can do apart from getting help and killing them over and over until they leave you alone. But the thing they deserve to be banned for is possible 3rd party program use and selling for RL money. Locking down an area so that nobody else can hunt there - that is perfectly OK. There are no rules against being a jerk in this game.
just holler at a hero and usually they might come and take care of the problem for a while. They also venture out of the area once in a while to other catacombs too.
come 2 teon ALL heros are botting themselfs LOL
Not all and I have examples if you like. Please don't act like "OMG the tsumani is comming, we are all gonna die" thing :P
If they are farmers, then the problem is with the farming, not with the lock-down.
Agree 100%.
One that farming is playing 24/7. Even the most hardcore player can't play that much for an extended period.
Many times, many xp areas are locked-down by alliances, even castles did. But after some time you see that the picture is changing because they are getting tired to do same things all the day or because other alliances are getting together and fight them. That is the difference of Farming lock-down and the "played" lock-down.
Catas are an example given. All catas are locked-down by groups with names "byuihs6748", "iidchuisdcu", xtyyuemn" and for god's sake theese people are not "players".
I don't go xp in catas any more cause I am sick of training for 1 hour theese groups when I login for 3 hours to xp and relax from RL work.
They not bots there chars look more boxed while one or 2 farmers actually play chars. If they get trouble more chars get played actually by real persons. Maybe they bot with support classes but they dont look like they botted.
Spoiling at beast farm requirers at least one real person to feed the pets to the state.
Killing bots is cheap and easy killing players is different and very hard if they play unfair. Well i know gang up ppl is totally ok and part of the game and if u still survive they log chars 10 lvls higher then you that kills u in 5 seconds.
Elese read what painamplifter wrote it fits pretty well.
They not bots there chars look more boxed while one or 2 farmers actually play chars. If they get trouble more chars get played actually by real persons. Maybe they bot with support classes but they dont look like they botted.
Spoiling at beast farm requirers at least one real person to feed the pets to the state.
Killing bots is cheap and easy killing players is different and very hard if they play unfair. Well i know gang up ppl is totally ok and part of the game and if u still survive they log chars 10 lvls higher then you that kills u in 5 seconds.
Well, if you think you have indisputable evidence, report them.
Screenshots and well-written letters to [email protected] tend to work for getting bots removed (better than /gm I would add), but if there is any doubt they may or may not be, then be ready to not see a result.
Speaking of results, just what is it our OP hopes to accomplish with this thread? I do enjoy the discussion on the moral right of locking down a hunting area, but I cannot help but wonder if that was the OP's intent.
Not signing that until you add some punctuation and run it through spell-check half a dozen times.
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They not bots there chars look more boxed while one or 2 farmers actually play chars. If they get trouble more chars get played actually by real persons.
Then fraps this and submit a ticket, otherwise get more friends and go kill them.
Maybe they bot with support classes but they dont look like they botted.
Spoiling at beast farm requirers at least one real person to feed the pets to the state.
Oh, so they're not bots now? They might actually be legit players then, at least warm bodies at the keyboard, controlling the area for the drop rates.
Killing bots is cheap and easy killing players is different and very hard if they play unfair. Well i know gang up ppl is totally ok and part of the game and if u still survive they log chars 10 lvls higher then you that kills u in 5 seconds.
Then make friends with characters 10 levels higher than they are and black-screen the protector as he logs in.
Elese read what painamplifter wrote it fits pretty well.
Only partially, for reasons I've already explained. At the end of the day, if they're proven to not be bots, whether this is the fact or not, you're left in the same situation. They have the area you want and they're willing to fight over it. Either you shove them out and take it over, or you go elsewhere, it's simple as.
Part of the fun of this game is figuring out solutions to various problems. If they are killing all Bounty Hunters, shout out, "Warsmith, LFG, PM me!" as you arrive.
If they know you are really a BH, and you see them coming, gather up a large group of aggros, and BSoE or FD just as they get into range.
Find some terrain feature (like a cliff) that makes it hard for them to get back to the Farm, then hop over it as they chase you.
If they are botting, run a trail of one-adena drops to some distant location and see if they follow it out of the area (underwater is a good final location, for non water-breathing toons.)
It would be best if the various clans on your server, who need A grade helmets, ran through that area every so often. But if you can't organize that, you do have some solo options available to help you.