sorch or sps ? + and cons plix ;D

topic says it all i got a lv.26 elven wizard and the mp management is already crap crap

so i already made a lv.73 sorch in 1 week ( not botting the other kind and thats not ebay lol "that" other thing with the fbi ****zle) and i really liked it i think i liked it more then i thougd and thinking about rerol AGAIN lol

i kind of stopped going sps cause of the [censored] mp @ 26 already
now thinking about sorch wich has a lil better mp management but also lower cast speed

is the sleep of sorch worse then it is on sps ?

so i already made a lv.73 sorch in 1 week ( not botting the other kind and thats not ebay lol "that" other thing with the fbi ****zle) and i really liked it i think i liked it more then i thougd and thinking about rerol AGAIN lol

So on a private server then? GG

Sps's have horrible horrible mp management, I wouldn't do it without at least one recharger, 2 would be preferred. They are generally considered better than a sorc though because they have more than just the one main nuke, they get an overhit spell (solar flare) and are very fast. Oh and I believe they get their vortex earlier as well.. I think.

So a sps sleep isn't better or worse than a sorc, it's just faster due to the race.

Compared to private servers: sleep and sleep cloud was nerfed to almost uselessness on official servers. Keep that in mind too.

So on a private server then? GG

i cannot comment (lol) but if i did it wouldnt make me less or "noob" or whatever not every1 played retail from the start

but i dont got regrets playing here if youre A S grade it actually means something :) thats why i like retail so much so dont hate me 2 much ok ^^ i am not the only 1


ok but i heard some ppl say that sleep got so nerfed that you cant play sps or sorch anymore or is that just bs?

i really appreciate your comments cause you actually played a sps (or still do )

Compared to private servers: sleep and sleep cloud was nerfed to almost uselessness on official servers. Keep that in mind too.

if i played on those server the only thing that i would do is lv lv lv

havent done sieges nor pvp @ all if i played private ofc

I removed the sleep and sleep cloud from the hotbar of my Archmage. He still levels just fine.

rofl really ? you dont even use sleep anymore ^^


well sleep cloud was already freaking gimp in c3 imo so i dont even gonna bother learning that

but since your lv.76 you ever thougd about skill OE ?
havent done anything myself so i dont know anything about it

but you still play your archmage? still fun ? why ?

bump so no1 knows ***** about sps and sorch ? :/ no1 plays them ^^

No, there really isn't any reason to use sleep anymore (at least, for my class). It casts WAY too slow to be useful. Other classes have a much faster Sleep skill and allows me to use my MP for nuking.

Sleep Cloud prior to the nerf was very useful. Not only was it useful in those "oh crap!" moments, but was a great tool in AOE parties. We would pull 30-40 mobs, and after the tank would pull agro on them all, do a Sleep Cloud and then 2 or 3 nukers would AOE them to death.

I haven't really been impressed with the stats my class gets with OE'ing skills. If I do it at all, it won't be until I get to 78.

aah ok :) but you dont regret going sorc? cause you still play that char and very few get 2 lv.77 ^^

Well me personally I just don't like you. Bumping is against the rules too btw. Playing a private server only makes you "nub" on retail because they likely work in very different ways. Or you wouldn't be asking right?

I don't use single target sleep at all any more, I'm so fast I can easily take out 2 mobs before they get to me even if they are 2 shot each, or 4 mobs if each are 1 shot or 3 are 1 shot and the last one is 2 shot.

Sleep cloud is ridiculously slow but it's still useful as a preemptive strike if you are a) very careful or b) the mobs are group and not aggro, such as the spiteful soul groups around DC. It's tricky with aggro group mobs because if you aim for the aggro mob and they happen to aggro you and run to you, generally the rest of the mobs don't realize it until sleep cloud lands on that ONE mob, then the rest come to bash you into the floor. It's tricky but it's still on my bar.

Well me personally I just don't like you. Bumping is against the rules too btw.

lol well if you dont like me you dont have 2 reply or are you only doing it for your post counts

and srry for the bump i hope you can sleep 2 night gratz gg

I'll break it down a bit:
Sorcs have stronger attacks, and a strong vortex but it takes one extra level to get it. Also, in PvP most people don't put up Protection to Fire so you're usually getting pretty good hits on enemies.
They also have some pretty good mana-management capabilities.
Spellsingers have blindingly fast casting speed (unless it's sleep) and several elements of attack so it would require two buff slots to protect your enemy from your attacks.
They have pitiful mana-management capabilities but they can empty all their mana into an enemy in under 30seconds.
They are also the only nuker that has two vortex spells.

They are also the only nuker that has two vortex spells.

Stormscreamer too ;)

GAH! That's right :P

hmm thats the problem you can sit down for 10 min every 30 secs if you wanted 2 :/ thats not really fun @ sieges :< i dont really see the problem with the vortex is just 1 lv more

and not really 2 botherd taht they got 2 vortex spells


if only they had better mana mangement

sorch also got Surrender To Fire you hit extra hard with taht 2
when you take in consideration taht most ppl dont got protection of fire so you could hit pretty hard

All mages get surrender though.

hmm thats the problem you can sit down for 10 min every 30 secs if you wanted 2 :/ thats not really fun @ sieges :< i dont really see the problem with the vortex is just 1 lv more

and not really 2 botherd taht they got 2 vortex spells


if only they had better mana mangement

sorch also got Surrender To Fire you hit extra hard with taht 2
when you take in consideration taht most ppl dont got protection of fire so you could hit pretty hard

Ellie is right, all classes get a surrender but the vortexes have surrender built in.
Also, in a siege situation you really shouldn't have too much problem with keeping your mana up.
If you have a force that's organized enough to have or attack a castle you're bound to have skills like Clarity that'll make mana problems residual.

true but its nice 2 do just taht lil extra dmg :)
and if they dont got protection of fire on another extra dmg or does surrender neutralize protection ?

They stack but not equally.
Don't know how much either way though.

SPS Get surrender to water, i play a sps. Fastest nuke by miles imo. Tho i wouldnt consider playing one w/o a recharger otherwise ull just be sat down all day. Never played a sorc so cant comment. Solar flare is ok cool down could be less tho :)

i got an alt but hmm i dont really feel like pressing recharge all day :P so i think i go sorch :)

Should get Bosh in here about sorcs ;)

whos bosh ^^

Bosh (http://l2vault.ign.com/View.php?view=Features.Detail&id=77)

aah ok ^^ i agree with him **** sleep nerf :/ why in godsnaam did they do that ? :/ sorc wasnt overpowerd :/

I'm an archmage so I kinda have a small amount of knowledge of sorcs.

Sorcs Don't necessarily suck. In comparison to an SH or SpS, We have less nukes. In Comparison to an SH we have the worse Mana managment. We don't get an over hit nuke, If you make a Sorc expect to push 1 button your entire leveling life. Prominence. all other nukers get their Vortex at 76, some get more than 1. We sorcs get one, and only one, at 77. SpS get multiple nukes, an Overhit, a self buff for better Mana regen(it's not every good i think) but No body to mind.

We get Body to mind level 1, which is 22 Mp returned. When your nuke costs 68mp to cast, that sucks, I'm in my 70's I don't use it unless I'm in a party.

As for Cast speed & m.atk, we sorcs Balanced in my opinion. We have decent cast speed, and decent M.atk.(depends on gear choice, I guess) I use a +4 SoM w/Acu & DC robes +4wit-4men, +4int-4men, +4 con-4str. I have 911 Cast speed with Acu 3 & zerk 2. Obviously I can get it reasonably higher with HS buff & Dance. A SH has Higher M.atk, and a SPS has the lowest M.atk.
SPS= Cast Speed
SH= M.atk
Sorc= Even amount of both

Prominence: FIREY PANCAKES OF DOOM(Mind your mouth, it's hot). Hottest Spell animation in the game. Decent power. No Overhit. Basically your only nuke.
But IT'S ****. (http://usera.imagecave.com/phoenixice/Phoe.jpg)

Aura Flare: When you pull to many mobs and you need to kill them fast. Has no reuse delay so when you're done casting you can cast it again. For PvP it sucks.

Aura Bolt: Very low Power, it's for those mobs that have like |-| hp after your main nuke. half the MP cost as prominence.

Sleep: just don't do it.

Sleeping cloud: Well... partied.. it's ok for crowd control. Solo You can do ok. Just.. don't make it a habit. it's more of an Oh [censored] nuke anyway. by the time it finishes casting, you'll either be dead, Almost dead or Knocked out of casting.

Decay: DoT. very nice DoT, only really use it in PVP; Mine takes all of the CP and a bit of HP of a level 77 Ghost Sentinel.

Cancel: yes, it got nerfed, but Making a person lose 4 or more buffs, is nice. for all you know, it could be Emp, m.barrier, dw, focus, acumen or haste that they lose. Worth it anyway.

Everyone says we suck in PvP, ZOMG WE DON'T HAVE ANCHOR OR SILENCE WE ARE TEH SUX. I do just fine in PvP. I have the hp to take some hits & the cst spd & power to deal some damage.

Mana Management: Solo? Be prepared to sit Alot. If you have an SE or an EE behind you, Work your mojo. but KEEP her in your level range; Don't outlevel his/her Recharge. You need teh MP's.

Rain of Fire: Ranged but very small Aoe radius. 'ok' damage & Cast Speed.
Blazing circle: emits from you in a 360 degree arc. 'ok' damage & Cast Speed.

I'm a sorc(obviously) and I love my class, I wouldn't trade it for another nuker, I won't reroll. I have my SE behind me at all times, Don't leave home without Emp.

You are a Glass cannon, meaning you throw the damage but can break to a rock. You're a MAGE, stay in the back. don't go charging into a swarm of daggers and complain when you eat dirt.
All in all, a sorc is frustrating, tiring, slow to level and SLOW AS HELL WHILE MOVING. But I still enjoy it, most will give up and reroll.

We can Hug Trees. (http://usera.imagecave.com/phoenixice/treehug.jpg)

We curl into the fetal position when we die.

ohw nice thx for info :)

i also wanted 2 review skills but you have done that for me :) thx thx basicly this is what i expected

we maybe aint the class with the BEST skills but we sure are deadly plus i am making an SE as we speak :)

and i deff we are under rated but very few have actually played sorch (and then i dont mean till lv.45 or so)

thx again