But unfortunately they have protectors, and reclaimed their XP spot.
I have petitioned them at least 4 times in the past 8 hours and there was a response but I doubt the GMs even looked into it. It's not hard to see they are botting, for about 5 hours all the SE would do is autofollow and sit when in rance, and then get up and move within range and sit down again - ocassionally recharging the SH. I've tried sending them tells and no response. A friend killed them and then their protector showed up and PKed me (she BSOE'd) and brought an army of rezzer bots to come rez the dead ones. He then killed him self (with the SH bot in the capture) to remove his karma and BSOE'd along with the rest of his bot team, leaving them there to continue farming/etc.
Not only that.. but did you know that when accounts are closed.. if the characters are still in game.. they will remain ingame? Did you know that there is a long process (paperwork?) involved with investigating and closing accounts? Don't look for instant results here. Let them do their jobs. They banned over a hundred thousand already... they know what they are doing and they are doing it. If they are botting... you will see them dissapear within a month.
I'm sorry but I don't have a month to wait at the entrance to Valley of Saints to see if they actually ban 100+ bot accounts running there. The zone is completely taken over by bots. Their protectors, etc. have basically PK'd people until they left, or there are frankly no mobs there. Looks like after he came and PK'd us, suddenly all the active players disappeared and were replaced by 9-man bot teams with dorf spoiler leaders.
There really is no paperwork involved when a GM walks in on a botter and sees him botting toons (no responses, cookie-cutter action, etc.). They can just move the toons if they stay in game, but "investigating" obvious botting seems a bit rhetorical, IMO.
The is the only game with an EULA that condemns botting where I've had someone call it a "long" process. EQ1 and others... Botters would disappear instantly and you would never see them again. Then again, those games have active GMs - GMs who log on and do what they're supposed to be hired to do.
Lata, I'm sure this thread will be locked soon, anyways.
There really is no paperwork involved when a GM walks in on a botter and sees him botting toons (no responses, cookie-cutter action, etc.). They can just move the toons if they stay in game, but "investigating" obvious botting seems a bit rhetorical, IMO.
Did you ever party with /target+/assist macros? Did you ever ignore people while you exp? Do you use a buff pet with auto follow and /target/attack/assist/buff macros? They are doing the right thing. They are ensuring that the right people get banned... and only them. I will say to you like I do so many others. Stop crying.
What I'm saying is that if a GM walks up to two bots it is not alot of work to come to the conclusion that they are botting, and the replay shows that they are botting. I actually thought they were real people and say there for 3 hours waiting for them to finish up (if ever) until I seen the SE sit-get up-autofollow-sit-get up-recharge-autofollow-sit about 1000 times. That's when I sent them a few PMs and they went unreplied (all of this in the span of about an hour). I didn't kill the bots, someone I knew did when she ran into me killing (I was just killing the mobs that the bots weren't killing). The "bot protector" killed me, I'm sure, so that his bots can have all the mobs for XP/adena/drops/whatever.
There is no conclusion to be drawn other than they are bots and the banhammer should be brought down on them, thus, there is little work. Write up the report and wave /byebye...
1 month work to ban an obvious botter just makes it look like they want their last 14.95 before they actually do what needs to be done.
There really is no paperwork involved when a GM walks in on a botter and sees him botting toons (no responses, cookie-cutter action, etc.). They can just move the toons if they stay in game, but "investigating" obvious botting seems a bit rhetorical, IMO.
Did you ever party with /target+/assist macros? Did you ever ignore people while you exp? Do you use a buff pet with auto follow and /target/attack/assist/buff macros? They are doing the right thing. They are ensuring that the right people get banned... and only them. I will say to you like I do so many others. Stop crying.
Crying the way you cry when ur botter/cheater clanmates get banned (your other thread is LOLfunny). Yea, takes one to know one. Sorry, but they are bots. Like I said, the botmaster came and PKed us. They are bots, don't try to argue with me about this. If they are not bots, why did they not at least say something while the warcryer melee'd them down and killed them, and why didn't they go to town and come back instead of sending an untagged SH to PK me?
Did you even look at the capture? You're the only one trying to say they are active players with target assist and cast macros, when they are not.
OT: Is there an ignore function on these message boards?
Again this is why these threads get closed. You have your opinion that it's dead obvious (not saying it isn't, either) and the accounts should be shut down with a quickness, almost instantly it sounds like.
They say there is work involved and it's not that fast, and you call BS and start conspiracies ("they just want their money first!"). Very unproductive.
Yep. Having had friends that where wrongly banned (and then unbanned upon further investigation, thank you), I am glad that they use this system. As for those who are unwilling to take these things into consideration... this is why threads get locked/ deleted. This... and the fact that these people like to prop up their own soap boxes thinking that they have something new to bring to the table. It's an eye sore. These topics pop up several times a day. The only thing worse than this is seeing these morons cry about how gms/mods supposedly ignore issues instead of addressing them... just because their topics get locked. All the information is out there. We, as a community, are not responsible for spelling it out five times a day just because a few kids get huffy and feel like they need to be heard~
What does that 14.95 a month give you? It's not even enough to cover 1 hour of a GM's time each month. This is why you get automated messages. Probably $2 of your 15 is going towards GM costs. Theres probably only about 30-40 of them too.
Each time this GM bans someone, I'm going to guess and say it takes them about 20minutes to do up the paperwork for each one. Theres probably some sort of "standard" to go through, to make sure real players aren't banned. Also it's probably another 20-30 minutes of observing and testing to see whether or not they are a bot. I'm giving them the benefit that GM's ban one bot average each workday, because these bots need to be monitored for several days.
How do mass bannings work? When NCSoft develops a new way to detect a bot connecting to the client, this is what probably occurs. When something other than the Lineage 2 client connects, they detect and autoban. You sometimes see this at the beginning of new chronicles, or after a Gameguard update. Obviously bots then update themselves and things are back to normal.
After the "November mass ban", there were barely any bots around. The catacombs were free and Ancient Adena prices were very high. Everything was expensive. But now those new bots have leveled up, now I can't find a room to exp in most 70-80 catacombs/necropolis even more. Hell I've seen a couple "Silent move" dance parties exping in FoG and probably in Dino Island soon. If "Dino Island" can't stop automated players, what can?
c'mon.. 99% of the "ingame stuff" dont needs 5 seconds to verify what they doing...
its not hard to see if anyone have buffers stucked on or on an 3rd thingi goin. (w/o GM powers)
shouldnt be expensive for NC to create a stupid little script that watch the packets and automark/ban... (hmm, its more than 10 minutes work ? doh)
the reason why things getting expensive w/o or only a few farmers is that peps simply to lazy/stupid to grind their stuff.
this game isnt only "high/endgame".
all this little kiddies that hug walls/ebay/servertranfer/xxx, (daddies CC make it possible^^) ruin this game more and more.
i like when im surrounded by players, not by "programs".
if ur to lazy go play WoW ;)
i've seen all this "heartbreakers bot" +++ stuff, all the "adena sellers" 24/7 shouts.
this whole trial b0ts stuff ruined my fun playing LII alot *cough*
the worst thing for euro players is that we pay with 60 days gametimecards..
u can be sure that me + friends had canceled our accs for the whole time, if there was only a option :confused:
hope the 15day cards coming to europe soon...
And this is a big one imho. Enemies made spam bots just to convince people to mass petition my clan.... since all their other forms of mass petition (language, we're farmers, and etc) failed. If it wasn't for the current GM system... I'm sure that I, among hundreds.. possibly thousands of others would have been wrongfully banned by now.
1. Get some of your high quality, high level friends to come with you (if you have any)
2. Kill the bots
3. Let the 'bot protector come and kill you and the bot protector goes red
4. your friends kill the bot protector while he is red
5. split the nice drops from the red
6. quit complaining
1. Get some of your high quality, high level friends to come with you (if you have any)
2. Kill the bots
3. Let the 'bot protector come and kill you and the bot protector goes red
4. your friends kill the bot protector while he is red
5. split the nice drops from the red
6. quit complaining
Have you ever seen a farming clan doing a mass sin eater quest? They are that smart lately...rarely they have more than 5 PK's.
Just train them all and let them die. It seems to work in many many places. Gustin has this problem in a few different places, so we just find all the mobs we can, and train the crap out of them. Nothing like watching 50 mobs beat on a party ;).
i dropped a few trains on a bunch of bots in branded the other day, at one point a TH in A grade showed up and pk'd me and my party, so i went down on my TH along with my bro's AW, and we killed the protectors, and a few bot parties, and later on i continued to train them, they haven't tried coming after me again.
Yeah I think that Rum has a good point and I know I have read it in the forums before with ppl complaining about this problem..
If you don't like it, get a big party and kill the bots, then when the enforcer comes or enforcerssssss, just PVP them and kill the REDs for their drops!! Who said that you can't train bots anymore? o.O It would be an official/unofficial war against bots - too bad they don't clan up anymore so you can go to war with them and have only a 1% loss during PVP....
Most efficent way to take care of bots in your hunting grounds: Have a perma red Nuker and a summoner to teleport him to where ever you wanna grind. Bot problem solved.
Works perfect for me b/c my main is a summoner and my brother has a perma red nuker. :)