Thanks to all the earlier posts providing info on Zaken. Can anyone clarify how many people may actually be needed to take out Zaken since C5 change and lower and upper lvl limitations for the Raid? Thanks in advance!
you can do ant queen with a 9 people party, unless you're a Spudnik!
yeah, all u need is to get all 9 people to be delevelled from 75 to 48 so that no drops happen ... oh and give them all +20 top C, all in +8 gear sets, and let us not forget, the lvl 80 buffpet each one must have
hell, in that setup you wouldnt even need to spam shots.
you can do ant queen with a 9 people party, unless you're a Spudnik!
yeah, all u need is to get all 9 people to be delevelled from 75 to 48 so that no drops happen ... oh and give them all +20 top C, all in +8 gear sets, and let us not forget, the lvl 80 buffpet each one must have
hell, in that setup you wouldnt even need to spam shots.
Ant queen doesnt have that much hp. Its the nurse ants that are a pain. Nuetralize the nurse ants and its easy.
yeah, all u need is to get all 9 people to be delevelled from 75 to 48 so that no drops happen ... oh and give them all +20 top C, all in +8 gear sets, and let us not forget, the lvl 80 buffpet each one must have
hell, in that setup you wouldnt even need to spam shots.
yeah, all u need is to get all 9 people to be delevelled from 75 to 48 so that no drops happen ... oh and give them all +20 top C, all in +8 gear sets, and let us not forget, the lvl 80 buffpet each one must have
hell, in that setup you wouldnt even need to spam shots.
Seriously, it really isnt that hard....
yea it really isnt, aq is easy if u can take care of the nurse ants, just need like 2 or 3 nukers nukin the queen with a recharger or 2, and others kill the nurse ants or keep em busy or somethin, not that hard if ppl know wat to do
last time i checked, the nurse ants healed each other as well as the queen. and never seem to go out of mana.
being that there are 4 nurse ants, you would need 1 party AT LEAST to pull off the nurses and kill them off repeatedly. they respawn like a [censored] too.
so at least 1 party for nurse ants. then, the ant queen being weak to fire would require 1 solid DD party and every player's buffer in order to take the queen down fast enough that there will be only a few respawns of nurses.
but since my party of 50 lvl 40-46's (non subclassed true bonafide low players in cheap gear) got wiped doing her in C5, i totally cant know what i am talking about.
moongirls; not everyone has oop high level buffs. we were running on maybe 2 bishops, 3 SE and might have been an EO lvl 35 ish at the time. numbers for us was our only advantage.
if you have 6 oop high level prophets and an army of buffpet SE/EE for recharges when people run away, any raid is easy.
So you took a PUG party to AQ, died (duh..), and are saying that you need more then that since you got wiped? :P
The Epic Bosses all have certain strats to take down extremely easily, one that a PUG party will never master first of all.
Second your dealing with a Ring that equals 800+ million... you better be properly equiped because you know others are going after it too and they will be. (+10-16 Homuk's, top level WM, Siren Dance, etc)
lmao why would you need 6 high lvl prophets and an army of buffpets... lol ur ******ed if u think u need that much. u said u had 50 ppl rofl seriously, if you know wat your doing its not hard, like ashane said every epic is more about how you kill it and the stratagy you use to kill it.
if twinked out subclasses and rerolls are the only ones able to take out any low level epic boss, an alarm should be sounding for each of you;
something is broken in that logic. first one to guess what it is gets the cookie. first one to explain the fallacy behind a game where the raid boss farmers take no less than 3 parties and an army of buffers down there vs an 8 man party trippin on 100m$+ weaponry EACH and banking on buffs other normal groups would seldom if ever see, gets the whole tray.
Although Ive never done Zaken myself, on Hinde Zaken is farmed by the raid farmers with at the most 3 parties within 5 minutes of him spawning. The usual setup - tank and a few rechargers/healers and the rest SH's and a few Necros. I was unfortunatly PKed so didnt manage to see them actually raid but did have Zaken targetted. His HP went down at a pretty constant rate so I imagine not many got teleported, perhaps if you stand back u dont get teleported, I dont know. He was dead in about 3 minutes so I bet they were all CDLing. This was C5 and they didnt have end game buffs.
An alliance on Hinde (not chinese farmers) did manage to successfully farm Zaken for a while, and they seemed to have to focus more on keeping the farmers PKed and preventing Mass Resses than with Zaken himself.
if twinked out subclasses and rerolls are the only ones able to take out any low level epic boss, an alarm should be sounding for each of you;
Your still not getting it.
Have you ever played WoW? Done any Raid Bosses there? They all have a certain strategy to beat em. Can you fight them a diffrent way? SURE! But its a hell of alot harder.
The same is true for here. You dont NEED those items.. however, they do make the kill faster and since these bosses are highly sought after, anything that makes the kill faster is good.
Its the strategy that determines the fight. It has absolutely nothing to do with how twinked you are. Even untwinked level 40's could do it... provided they know the tricks to do it.
And no, before you ask, no one will tell you what those are. They are extremely closely guarded because of the valuable nature of the items they drop. You dont want every tom **** and harry knowing exactly how to kill Zaken or AQ or Valakis.
Else everyone is on a level playing field and thats not exactly what you want in a PvP game is it? The objective is to kill your opponent, not help them out ;P
but since my party of 50 lvl 40-46's (non subclassed true bonafide low players in cheap gear) got wiped doing her in C5, i totally cant know what i am talking about.
and it did nt occured to you that you just fail at l2 after that?
but since my party of 50 lvl 40-46's (non subclassed true bonafide low players in cheap gear) got wiped doing her in C5, i totally cant know what i am talking about.
and it did nt occured to you that you just fail at l2 after that?
it occurred to me after that post i was trying to explain to children what should be reserved for intellectual conversation.
there are words for mental ******s; mostly they are called The People of Gustin, sometimes mental ******s are referred to as Heros or in the case of end game players ... Quitters.
if you need someone to explain the 3 depths of humor within the above phrase, you are a mental ******.
i KNOW how to beat the queen. i KNOW how to beat valakas. that isnt the point. i HAVE beaten the queen with an army of dwarves and not a healer to be found; this is not the point either.
what i am saying is for a 9 man group in 110m adena worth of gear on each player, you need to have a poverty wish to try and farm a 800m adena ring. i have no doubts a 5man group could do it in D gear, the resources it takes to accomplish this however means no profit will come from farming that particular boss jewel.
it isnt right that only the top gear toons have the resources to kill any epic boss. especially one level 40. NOT using the resources of high level and end game should mark every low raiding group.
Clearly all intellectual conversations start with phrases like:
there are words for mental ******s; mostly they are called The People of Gustin, sometimes mental ******s are referred to as Heros or in the case of end game players ... Quitters.
i KNOW how to beat the queen. i KNOW how to beat valakas. that isnt the point. i HAVE beaten the queen with an army of dwarves and not a healer to be found; this is not the point either.
what i am saying is for a 9 man group in 110m adena worth of gear on each player, you need to have a poverty wish to try and farm a 800m adena ring. i have no doubts a 5man group could do it in D gear, the resources it takes to accomplish this however means no profit will come from farming that particular boss jewel.
If you KNOW HOW TO BEAT AQ, then you KNOW you dont NEED 800 million in gear to do it.
It just makes it far faster then it would otherwise.
But you dont know that... do you? ;)
As to the childish comments, I bet my kids are older then you are.
Spudnik posting his eternal wisdom in threads he clearly knows nothing about makes me warm inside. How does one not get tired of making a fool of himself everytime he posts. History repeats itself again for the 23432421 time.
AQ can be taken down by 1 mage party. High lvl buffs just make it go alot faster but are not a requirement.
fraps or i wont believe it. likely nobody else here will either.
regular lvl 40 RB's require more than 1 party without outside help. epic bosses ... hello logic! take a 9man group to baium. wtb fraps of that working.
remember i am saying outside help is a NONO. average shmoe in this game doesnt have access to that. if you do, youre in the 1 percentile.
fraps or i wont believe it. likely nobody else here will either.
regular lvl 40 RB's require more than 1 party without outside help. epic bosses ... hello logic! take a 9man group to baium. wtb fraps of that working.
Actually we DID kill Baium with like 14-15 people, of which 3 were tank+healers for kiting the angels around (and we did not even have a sws for the archers..). Well, that was back in C4, and it was not 9 people but a bit more :) But still, it was possible, and back then even without CoV and so on, because people were not high enough.
fraps or i wont believe it. likely nobody else here will either.
The MOB Ant queen can be killed by 1 level 40ish mage party, weather you believe me or not. You want to know how? Find it out yourself.
regular lvl 40 RB's require more than 1 party without outside help. epic bosses ... hello logic! take a 9man group to baium. wtb fraps of that working.
There we go again, you fail L2 once more. Regular level 40 rb can be taken by 1 party also [censored] and this is without outside help.
Baium can be killed by 2 parties but it would take crap loads of time. If you use the right strategy not a single person will die, even with 2 parties.
remember i am saying outside help is a NONO. average shmoe in this game doesnt have access to that. if you do, youre in the 1 percentile.
Have you ever stopped and thought for a sec that maybe you need more then an average shmoe to even attempt these bosses? There is a difference between raid bosses and these bosses. If you haven’t figured that our by now then you failed L2, again.
/cry cause husje hurts my feewings.
poor thing. doesnt know not to feed the trolls.
Good thing you acknowledge yourself as a troll. The path for cure usually starts with this.
It's not WOW and most epic bosses are simply about proper buffs and numbers of well-rounded parties.
Zaken kill is quite straightforward. You charge it, hit with whatever you have and follow him after teleportations.
You will need dark resistance, magic resistance, holy weapon and all normal buffs.
You need a lot of healers to keep up with hp after massive drains, you need recharges to keep up with mp after massive mp drains, you need some sort of alliance buffs or many buffers. Nothing else.
Kite and shoot/nuke. Or tank and shot/nuke. You will need uber tank party to keep up with aggro though and many people will be still attacked.
Kite may work better if Zaken is slowed down.
Teleportation of Zaken and forceful teleportations of attackers are spells. So you can overcome them (more or less) with massive attacks - in this case Zaken can try to teleport 3-4 times before he's successful. As every time Zaken ports he has a time to regen hp, teleport prevention helps a lot.
Since C5 high-level players get raid curse in Zaken lair, so it's supposed by developers you zerg the beast. Of cause, it's possible to have higher levels there, but I donno of tricks to avoid raid curses.
fraps or i wont believe it. likely nobody else here will either.
The MOB Ant queen can be killed by 1 level 40ish mage party, weather you believe me or not. You want to know how? Find it out yourself.
regular lvl 40 RB's require more than 1 party without outside help. epic bosses ... hello logic! take a 9man group to baium. wtb fraps of that working.
There we go again, you fail L2 once more. Regular level 40 rb can be taken by 1 party also [censored] and this is without outside help.
Baium can be killed by 2 parties but it would take crap loads of time. If you use the right strategy not a single person will die, even with 2 parties.
remember i am saying outside help is a NONO. average shmoe in this game doesnt have access to that. if you do, youre in the 1 percentile.
Have you ever stopped and thought for a sec that maybe you need more then an average shmoe to even attempt these bosses? There is a difference between raid bosses and these bosses. If you haven’t figured that our by now then you failed L2, again.
/cry cause husje hurts my feewings.
poor thing. doesnt know not to feed the trolls.
Good thing you acknowledge yourself as a troll. The path for cure usually starts with this.
sigh, i cant believe im going through with this ...
the ant queen can be killed by 1 mage party. it can be killed by 3 mages, much less a party. ive done it. the nurses CANNOT be killed by 1 lone mage party. you will require the use of COV/chained empowerment buffs if youre taking mages there.
debate as required.
i have taken a 6destro 2se party and taken out almost every lvl 40-65 rb. how to manage 6 destro's at every group though? i raid with clannies lvl 7x rerolls tripping on +5 gear sets, some with +10-14 weapons. ive taken most of them down within 10 minutes.
we have taken that party to ant queen. weve been rolled. weve taken that party to zaken and again have been rolled.
there is a maximum amout of crap i will take from any person on this board that claims that the mere fact that i have not beaten an epic boss without a 2nd and 3rd group means i fail at the game. i am reaching that limit. i dont care who you are, what you think youve accomplished in the game. you havent accomplished anything. own a castle? tool. ridden a wyvern? tool. beaten frintezza? farmer. let me boast my own accomplishments for you then, as i havent done those things...
over the past 25 years i have earned my company 500% increase in profitable ventures making my company one of the top companies in our field for the work we do. i personally have led those 25 years to see a company that is 5x more profitable, safe, and environmentally sound than we were all those years ago. to date the owner of the company has successfully used the practices i myself have put in place and he has (of his own self) generated over a BILLION real life dollars in revenue.
husje, get a job. you fail at life.
take an Intelligence test, you fail trying to make yourself look smart.
take a humility test, youre as proud as they come.
Well, in RL I had two kids.. and thats all the accomplishment I need, since it eclipses any sort of financial gain you'll ever hope to accomplish. (Well, hey, you can buy kids I guess, just look at Madonna!)
Anyway!
All we are saying is, is that you CAN beat those bosses by simply using numbers.. sure. Most if you zerg them up enough you'll easily win. (Note: Some are easier then others, personally AQ is by far the hardest to Zerg up, Baium would be easiest IMO.. Core's pretty easy too tho)
However, theres another way to do it. They've left in glaring weaknesses for some, loopholes for others, area's that dont follow "normal" rules for yet others, whatever. Find those, use em. Its akin to every Epic Boss ever developed in any game.. they all go down. First to the zerg, then once people go "Hey man, did you see what just happened there? Lets go try that!" and the light bulb goes on.
You know all that crap would have actually hurt my feelings if you didnt write the folowing down.
First you state the folowing:
regular lvl 40 RB's require more than 1 party without outside help. epic bosses ... hello logic! take a 9man group to baium. wtb fraps of that working.
then you say the folowing:
i have taken a 6destro 2se party and taken out almost every lvl 40-65 rb. how to manage 6 destro's at every group though? i raid with clannies lvl 7x rerolls tripping on +5 gear sets, some with +10-14 weapons. ive taken most of them down within 10 minutes.
I would kindly suggest for yourself to take those nice advises you recommmended to me, because you my friend need it more.
over the past 25 years i have earned my company 500% increase in profitable ventures making my company one of the top companies in our field for the work we do. i personally have led those 25 years to see a company that is 5x more profitable, safe, and environmentally sound than we were all those years ago. to date the owner of the company has successfully used the practices i myself have put in place and he has (of his own self) generated over a BILLION real life dollars in revenue.
husje, get a job. you fail at life.
take an Intelligence test, you fail trying to make yourself look smart.
take a humility test, youre as proud as they come.
I've saved the world countless times with my hands tied behind my back.
I'm rich and famous and have beautiful lovers across the globe.
Well that was very interesting thanks! Appeciate the very helpful posts very much. Glad to see some people dont take the game too seriously..... (Oh dear lol)