I was at Gustin - Beast Farm with friends trying spoil Recipe for A-Grade helms. A FireDragon party come to us and said: "Soe in 5 minutes or we will kill all". We didint soe and we was killed for chars lvl 76++.
This happen at all servers?
Only FireDragon can hunt/spoil there?
like i said its part of the game, if a clan is strong enough they can keep you from exping anywhere they choose, how about you stop crying about it and go gather some people or join a good clan and kill them like AshaneFB said. Or do you want the GMs to kick them out for you cause you cant handle it yourself?
I don't think you understand that FireDragon is a FARMER clan and they don't care how many times they die; they'll just keep coming back and call in all their farmers from every corner of the world, and you can kill them, but in the end, they win because they don't care about their XP. =.=
Unfortunately for you (and many others who feel this way) this is part of the politics of the game. If they want to control the market of whatever it is they're hunting for..and do so by force, it's perfectly legal.
Unfortunately for you (and many others who feel this way) this is part of the politics of the game. If they want to control the market of whatever it is they're hunting for..and do so by force, it's perfectly legal.
You are not smart enought to understand that they use bots to get power and control the game. Is this a fair game?
I dont use bot and spend time for every exo that i have so i care about loose exp for bots.
Think a little more and see what you are talking.
So you're dying and losing to farmers... you should just quit.
This is a good idead.
Then only bots and dumbs like you will play this game.
Bots selling adena at ebay and you buying it to be strong enought to fight against bots/farmers
So then report them.... your original post had nothing to do with them being bots, just you crying that some clan wouldn't let you exp where you wanted. Posting on the official boards wont get anything accomplished. And bots fight over spots all the time, if you lose to them you should just quit already cause you're bad at this game.
So then report them.... your original post had nothing to do with them being bots, just you crying that some clan wouldn't let you exp where you wanted. Posting on the official boards wont get anything accomplished. And bots fight over spots all the time, if you lose to them you should just quit already cause you're bad at this game.
Why you talk alot about quit?
Are you playing this game or only flamming post with dumb answers?
Are you playing this game or only flamming post with dumb answers?
read the first part -
So then report them.... your original post had nothing to do with them being bots, just you crying that some clan wouldn't let you exp where you wanted. Posting on the official boards wont get anything accomplished.
Are you playing this game or only flamming post with dumb answers?
read the first part -
So then report them.... your original post had nothing to do with them being bots, just you crying that some clan wouldn't let you exp where you wanted. Posting on the official boards wont get anything accomplished.
theres you answer.
I am free to post here or anywhere. If you dont have opnion to help dont reply. I wanna see what others players think about the problem or how we can fight against. But look like you like this situation and is trying stop me.
I am one of those players that champions the little guy, the neutral guy, the legit guy. However, the FACT of LineageII, is that it is a competetive game whose basic design creates a Might-Makes-Right dynamic.
You can certainly make the case that it isn't very NICE to lockdown a hunting ground. Ok, fine, I agree. But nowhere in the EULA does it state that L2 players are required or even encouraged to be NICE.
The people replying to you such as Insanity are in no way supporting botters or bully-clans with their responses, but are simply attempting to explain to you about the facts of life in Lineage 2. In turn, you are accusing people of things and acting like a jerk yourself. I'd recommend taking a step back, allowing the remote possibility that other opinions and philosophies exist that don't mirror your own, and listening.
No one is stopping you from creating your own clan, recruiting members and organizing so that you can force FireDragon out of their seat of power.
Whining and crying about your situation on the official boards isn't getting you any closer to that achievement.
I am one of those players that champions the little guy, the neutral guy, the legit guy. However, the FACT of LineageII, is that it is a competetive game whose basic design creates a Might-Makes-Right dynamic.
You can certainly make the case that it isn't very NICE to lockdown a hunting ground. Ok, fine, I agree. But nowhere in the EULA does it state that L2 players are required or even encouraged to be NICE.
The people replying to you such as Insanity are in no way supporting botters or bully-clans with their responses, but are simply attempting to explain to you about the facts of life in Lineage 2. In turn, you are accusing people of things and acting like a jerk yourself. I'd recommend taking a step back, allowing the remote possibility that other opinions and philosophies exist that don't mirror your own, and listening.
No one is stopping you from creating your own clan, recruiting members and organizing so that you can force FireDragon out of their seat of power.
Whining and crying about your situation on the official boards isn't getting you any closer to that achievement.
Good luck.
Your words are smart and serve to you too.
I am not "Whining and crying" i am trying get the help to fight against FireDragon. But you and Insanty didint understand that.
If you feel that an account is using a bot program report it.
Beyond that: Lineage II is a PvP game where assets and resources are controlled by the strong and patient.
~spam
Sorry man but i did this a lot before and get tired of no actions.
If you promisse to me that now will be diferent i will do a lot of reports :P
But if reports works why gustin still have so much bots?
And like MysticLance said (he is a hero) everybody now about FireDragon activity.
"We dont find what we dont look for"
As a Gustin player, he has a fairly valid complaint in that FireDragon is one of the stronger, if not the strongest, farmer clan on the server.
The top 3 or 4 alliances on Gustin have the power to hunt there, but it requires a very strong enforcer party or two to repeatedly kill them the entire time while your other handful of guys does the hunting. Not exactly efficient.
As stated, they are farmers, they don't care in the least about XP loss, and speaking from experience of having spent entire nights with the clan porting out of our Rune Clanhall just to wipe them all repeatedly, they could care less about xp loss.
For the little guys, and small clans, you may as well hang it up. These pricks will go red and then kill the karma off and pick up their gear before you can get back there. They simply don't care in the least about XP, in fact, you are doing them a favor when you kill them.
The one good thing is they don't know how to PvP for [censored], and wiping them out is a breeze. Like I said, I've personally spent many nights doing it and laughing on vent. The bottom line though - we had no impact on them, they could care less.
Your words are smart and serve to you too.
I am not "Whining and crying" i am trying get the help to fight against FireDragon. But you and Insanty didint understand that.
Post on your servers boards then. This is the general discussion board and as such you'll find responses from people not playing on your server.
Also, the original wording of the post didnt sound like you were looking for help, but more of a "Ban them please!" type of post.
Yeah, because they need to be banned.. they are a farmer clan. The same party has been in beast farm for about 7 months now, playing 24/7. Problem is, they are not fully automated, there is always at least 1 person at the helm to take care of those pesky GM petitions.
Your words are smart and serve to you too.
I am not "Whining and crying" i am trying get the help to fight against FireDragon. But you and Insanty didint understand that.
Post on your servers boards then. This is the general discussion board and as such you'll find responses from people not playing on your server.
Also, the original wording of the post didnt sound like you were looking for help, but more of a "Ban them please!" type of post.
Please read again your post, maybe you understand yours smart words and my simple post too. Well a ban will be welcome and good to Gustin.
Like Bighands said FireDragon won and i dont will loose my time trying fight it. At all i got the help.
But you didint help in nothing.
Well i post here because i ask if others server have de same problem. If you didint like: - sorry.
But tell me. What you do in this situation?
Help me with suggestions this time?
When you get killed dont call me to help :)
How about get a GM to log onto Gustin and goto Beast Farm and investigate what's going on?
Why are WE responsible to report bots on servers that are camping popular areas (cause NCSoft likes to make certain things come off certain mobs with very low drop rate).
When will the GMs actually start doing their own job 100%.
I quit reporting bots, killing them, training them, whatever.
If they ruin the game into non-existence, I'll just find another one to play.
But constantly telling people to report bots on servers in popular botting zones is kind of insulting, IMO.
He isn't the first one to complain about bot clans monopolizing Beast Farm.
And none of the bots I reported have been banned, it's been months in some cases.
hehe Pamean, you would love it.. we have a 1 way war with them, and my guys have all been instructed that if they get bored, or can't find any PvP to port out the beast farm and just grief them as much as possible. lol
The best one yet:
I had my whole PvP party sitting in the CH fully buffed. I run out there (they will attack a BH esp me, on sight) - get em all to flag, I kite em back towards the port spot. Soon as I get within visual range, I tell everyone to port in.
My guys port, and every one of the happy farmers gets instantly dropped because they're still flagged trying to kill a 76+ dwarf who's running around spamming pots and laughing like a chicken with his head cut off.
Problem is.. they all release to town, and are back within 2 minutes.
It is fun to play with them though.. they love me :)
hehe Pamean, you would love it.. we have a 1 way war with them, and my guys have all been instructed that if they get bored, or can't find any PvP to port out the beast farm and just grief them as much as possible. lol
The best one yet:
I had my whole PvP party sitting in the CH fully buffed. I run out there (they will attack a BH esp me, on sight) - get em all to flag, I kite em back towards the port spot. Soon as I get within visual range, I tell everyone to port in.
My guys port, and every one of the happy farmers gets instantly dropped because they're still flagged trying to kill a 76+ dwarf who's running around spamming pots and laughing like a chicken with his head cut off.
Problem is.. they all release to town, and are back within 2 minutes.
It is fun to play with them though.. they love me :)
WHERE IS THE FORM TO JOIN YOUR CLAN? :)
I will love it.
Please read again your post, maybe you understand yours smart words and my simple post too. Well a ban will be welcome and good to Gustin.
Like Bighands said FireDragon won and i dont will loose my time trying fight it. At all i got the help.
But you didint help in nothing.
Well i post here because i ask if others server have de same problem. If you didint like: - sorry.
But tell me. What you do in this situation?
Help me with suggestions this time?
When you get killed dont call me to help
I cant help nothing, I'm not on your server. (Thats the point..)
If your question was, do other servers have that problem, the answer is a yes and no. Some do, some do not.
Gustin had a very unique development compared to all the other servers, which might have helped the current situation develop.
Every server has their major farming clan. Some attempt to take over area's, sometimes they get very aggressive and need to be smacked back into next year. Sometimes the farmers are stronger then anyone else and that just cant happen.
As to what would I do in that situation... I'd likely just buy the recipe or the full item. I learned long ago that its rather pointless to fight farmers unless your bored and want some fun. Accept it and move on :)
I've killed them before, they've killed me before, its a PvP game, I dont need to post on the boards to try and get them banned or call for help.
Please read again your post, maybe you understand yours smart words and my simple post too. Well a ban will be welcome and good to Gustin.
Like Bighands said FireDragon won and i dont will loose my time trying fight it. At all i got the help.
But you didint help in nothing.
Well i post here because i ask if others server have de same problem. If you didint like: - sorry.
But tell me. What you do in this situation?
Help me with suggestions this time?
When you get killed dont call me to help
I cant help nothing, I'm not on your server. (Thats the point..)
If your question was, do other servers have that problem, the answer is a yes and no. Some do, some do not.
Gustin had a very unique development compared to all the other servers, which might have helped the current situation develop.
Every server has their major farming clan. Some attempt to take over area's, sometimes they get very aggressive and need to be smacked back into next year. Sometimes the farmers are stronger then anyone else and that just cant happen.
As to what would I do in that situation... I'd likely just buy the recipe or the full item. I learned long ago that its rather pointless to fight farmers unless your bored and want some fun. Accept it and move on :)
I've killed them before, they've killed me before, its a PvP game, I dont need to post on the boards to try and get them banned or call for help.
Please read again your post, maybe you understand yours smart words and my simple post too. Well a ban will be welcome and good to Gustin.
Like Bighands said FireDragon won and i dont will loose my time trying fight it. At all i got the help.
But you didint help in nothing.
Well i post here because i ask if others server have de same problem. If you didint like: - sorry.
But tell me. What you do in this situation?
Help me with suggestions this time?
When you get killed dont call me to help
I cant help nothing, I'm not on your server. (Thats the point..)
If your question was, do other servers have that problem, the answer is a yes and no. Some do, some do not.
Gustin had a very unique development compared to all the other servers, which might have helped the current situation develop.
Every server has their major farming clan. Some attempt to take over area's, sometimes they get very aggressive and need to be smacked back into next year. Sometimes the farmers are stronger then anyone else and that just cant happen.
As to what would I do in that situation... I'd likely just buy the recipe or the full item. I learned long ago that its rather pointless to fight farmers unless your bored and want some fun. Accept it and move on :)
I've killed them before, they've killed me before, its a PvP game, I dont need to post on the boards to try and get them banned or call for help.
WELL: YOUR ARE THE MAN (SUPERMAN)
But you still type a lot and saying nothing
Sniff, Sniff, ...
I am a noob and i am crying.
But at least i am trying play and help the game and i dont response a lot without help.
OK. We dont have what talk more. Lets the others read and post.
Please read again your post, maybe you understand yours smart words and my simple post too. Well a ban will be welcome and good to Gustin.
Like Bighands said FireDragon won and i dont will loose my time trying fight it. At all i got the help.
But you didint help in nothing.
Well i post here because i ask if others server have de same problem. If you didint like: - sorry.
But tell me. What you do in this situation?
Help me with suggestions this time?
When you get killed dont call me to help
I cant help nothing, I'm not on your server. (Thats the point..)
If your question was, do other servers have that problem, the answer is a yes and no. Some do, some do not.
Gustin had a very unique development compared to all the other servers, which might have helped the current situation develop.
Every server has their major farming clan. Some attempt to take over area's, sometimes they get very aggressive and need to be smacked back into next year. Sometimes the farmers are stronger then anyone else and that just cant happen.
As to what would I do in that situation... I'd likely just buy the recipe or the full item. I learned long ago that its rather pointless to fight farmers unless your bored and want some fun. Accept it and move on :)
I've killed them before, they've killed me before, its a PvP game, I dont need to post on the boards to try and get them banned or call for help.
If it were another player clan, I would agree with crying more.
Problem is, it's not, it's a farmer clan, and the difference is pretty significant. This particular farmer clan is a bear to deal with - they have plenty of full S grade toons that they aren't afraid to break out if needed.
Like he said though.. NCSoft has no intention of enforcing any rules. That leaves you with 2 options
1. Get some friends to stand guard over you while you hunt the beast farm and kill any numbnut farmer who flags. (this is a temporary solution.. eventually they will bring more firepower than you have.. it just takes em a while to get the whole sweatshop logged into L2 and on a PvP toon)
2. Hunt somewhere else.
Lock downs are lock downs, whether is what you call a "real" clan or a farmer clan. Bots should get banned sure, but playing a lot and being an organized bunch of jerks is not against the rules.
Asking the GMs to take care of it is akin to one of my favorite saying on kain blah section "if you can't beat them, petition them".
LOL, Kain. Most top lvl clans on Kain make the bots their buddies to join in on raids with them, as well as to gain access to areas controlled by them. I'm sure it's quite the same on other servers.
LOL, Kain. Most top lvl clans on Kain make the bots their buddies to join in on raids with them, as well as to gain access to areas controlled by them. I'm sure it's quite the same on other servers.
And there goes the Hipocrisy of it all, they all whine about bots and banning them, yet conribute and take advantage and help to further propagate the problem. OH!!! and what I love best "Why did I get band, I'm totally legit!"
LOL, Kain. Most top lvl clans on Kain make the bots their buddies to join in on raids with them, as well as to gain access to areas controlled by them. I'm sure it's quite the same on other servers.
Exactly! cant beat em? Join em!
Well Insanity. The true come to us.
Now we know about your server.
I know why you are talk all this now :)
LOL, Kain. Most top lvl clans on Kain make the bots their buddies to join in on raids with them, as well as to gain access to areas controlled by them. I'm sure it's quite the same on other servers.
Isanity!
Where are the Kain smart players that dont permit Farmers/bots?
LOL, Kain. Most top lvl clans on Kain make the bots their buddies to join in on raids with them, as well as to gain access to areas controlled by them. I'm sure it's quite the same on other servers.
Isanity!
Where are the Kain smart players that dont permit Farmers/bots?
See the thing is many Kain players are smart because they dont make a big deal out of it and they dont mind working with it. Theres a lot to gain from working with these guys.
LOL, Kain. Most top lvl clans on Kain make the bots their buddies to join in on raids with them, as well as to gain access to areas controlled by them. I'm sure it's quite the same on other servers.
Isanity!
Where are the Kain smart players that dont permit Farmers/bots?
See the thing is many Kain players are smart because they dont make a big deal out of it and they dont mind working with it. Theres a lot to gain from working with these guys.
So then report them.... your original post had nothing to do with them being bots, just you crying that some clan wouldn't let you exp where you wanted. Posting on the official boards wont get anything accomplished. And bots fight over spots all the time, if you lose to them you should just quit already cause you're bad at this game.
Your repeated ignorant comments and then back peddling is funny :)
I want to see you type this again.... So you are saying if someone is bad at this game they should quit? Quantify 'bad' for me would ya'? I look forward to your logic... :)
LOL, Kain. Most top lvl clans on Kain make the bots their buddies to join in on raids with them, as well as to gain access to areas controlled by them. I'm sure it's quite the same on other servers.
Isanity!
Where are the Kain smart players that dont permit Farmers/bots?
See the thing is many Kain players are smart because they dont make a big deal out of it and they dont mind working with it. Theres a lot to gain from working with these guys.
You think that be smart is have no honour and personality:)
Are you one of the players that join farmers/bots?
Formalities. No you don't whine, but say things like that. Yet...
Yeah we sort of roll with the flow on Kain I guess, rather than froth up in frustration
As I've said many times before, players will help end this game, not bots.
I fail to see whats wrong with playing the game how it is.
Is it Ellie's personal fault that bots arent banned? Of course not, thats rubbish.
Last I checked, not a player thats posted in this thread is a GM (minus Spam), so therefor its not our fault.
Its so easy to play the blame game when things arent the way you want. Accept it and move on already.
What? ROFL In the other thread you went on about how it's the game's and devs fault about certain aspects of the game (using buffpets), now it suits your needs to change your mind and viewpoint? :eek:
LOL, Kain. Most top lvl clans on Kain make the bots their buddies to join in on raids with them, as well as to gain access to areas controlled by them. I'm sure it's quite the same on other servers.
Exactly! cant beat em? Join em!
Ohhh! I missed this tidbit! I LOVE it!! He states that he bows down to the bots..... In your own words this makes you bad at this game right? Haa!!!
You think that be smart is have no honour and personality:)
Are you one of the players that join farmers/bots?
No, being smart is that after playing this game for 3 years with the same problems, you realize that nothing has changed and you just go with the flow and have fun, it is still a game if you forgot.
I used to report farmers and got angry about bots, but times have changed and after playing for so long i realize its stupid. Perhaps if there was more action taken, and if it made more of an impact i would be right there with you on this point. But it has not.
But i suppose I'm a bad person cause id don't care about policing the server and fighting the people that you cant win against. Its not my job to do that, its NCsoft, if they're not up to it, I don't care ill work around it to have my fun.
Formalities. No you don't whine, but say things like that. Yet...
Yeah we sort of roll with the flow on Kain I guess, rather than froth up in frustration
As I've said many times before, players will help end this game, not bots.
I fail to see whats wrong with playing the game how it is.
Is it Ellie's personal fault that bots arent banned? Of course not, thats rubbish.
Last I checked, not a player thats posted in this thread is a GM (minus Spam), so therefor its not our fault.
Its so easy to play the blame game when things arent the way you want. Accept it and move on already.
What? ROFL In the other thread you went on about how it's the game's and devs fault about certain aspects of the game (using buffpets), now it suits your needs to change your mind and viewpoint? :eek:
Duh, I'm saying the exact same thing ;P
Its not a players job to ban bots. Its NCSoft's.
Just like its not a players job to fix the horrible buffing situation. Its NCSoft's.
You think that be smart is have no honour and personality:)
Are you one of the players that join farmers/bots?
No, being smart is that after playing this game for 3 years with the same problems, you realize that nothing has changed and you just go with the flow and have fun, it is still a game if you forgot.
I used to report farmers and got angry about bots, but times have changed and after playing for so long i realize its stupid. Perhaps if there was more action taken, and if it made more of an impact i would be right there with you on this point. But it has not.
Well i have only 1,5 years. So let me try change and fix the things and dont come post if you dont wanna help. :)
Please
Formalities. No you don't whine, but say things like that. Yet...
Yeah we sort of roll with the flow on Kain I guess, rather than froth up in frustration
As I've said many times before, players will help end this game, not bots.
I fail to see whats wrong with playing the game how it is.
Is it Ellie's personal fault that bots arent banned? Of course not, thats rubbish.
Last I checked, not a player thats posted in this thread is a GM (minus Spam), so therefor its not our fault.
Its so easy to play the blame game when things arent the way you want. Accept it and move on already.
What? ROFL In the other thread you went on about how it's the game's and devs fault about certain aspects of the game (using buffpets), now it suits your needs to change your mind and viewpoint? :eek:
Duh, I'm saying the exact same thing ;P
Its not a players job to ban bots. Its NCSoft's.
Just like its not a players job to fix the horrible buffing situation. Its NCSoft's.
And what the problem players post about it.
If you cant help dont post :)
You think that be smart is have no honour and personality:)
Are you one of the players that join farmers/bots?
No, being smart is that after playing this game for 3 years with the same problems, you realize that nothing has changed and you just go with the flow and have fun, it is still a game if you forgot.
I used to report farmers and got angry about bots, but times have changed and after playing for so long i realize its stupid. Perhaps if there was more action taken, and if it made more of an impact i would be right there with you on this point. But it has not.
But i suppose I'm a bad person cause id don't care about policing the server and fighting the people that you cant win against. Its not my job to do that, its NCsoft, if they're not up to it, I don't care ill work around it to have my fun.
Hmmm, umm yes.. Things ARE very different, now instead of reporting the bots you join in with them. Just like you mentioned before.
You think that be smart is have no honour and personality:)
Are you one of the players that join farmers/bots?
No, being smart is that after playing this game for 3 years with the same problems, you realize that nothing has changed and you just go with the flow and have fun, it is still a game if you forgot.
I used to report farmers and got angry about bots, but times have changed and after playing for so long i realize its stupid. Perhaps if there was more action taken, and if it made more of an impact i would be right there with you on this point. But it has not.
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Insanity used to have the same feelings about cheating. However, he has now been beaten down. His mind has been defeated and he is now in tow. His masters give him direction and he takes them like the slave he is. :)
Formalities. No you don't whine, but say things like that. Yet...
Yeah we sort of roll with the flow on Kain I guess, rather than froth up in frustration
As I've said many times before, players will help end this game, not bots.
I fail to see whats wrong with playing the game how it is.
Is it Ellie's personal fault that bots arent banned? Of course not, thats rubbish.
Last I checked, not a player thats posted in this thread is a GM (minus Spam), so therefor its not our fault.
Its so easy to play the blame game when things arent the way you want. Accept it and move on already.
What? ROFL In the other thread you went on about how it's the game's and devs fault about certain aspects of the game (using buffpets), now it suits your needs to change your mind and viewpoint? :eek:
Duh, I'm saying the exact same thing ;P
Its not a players job to ban bots. Its NCSoft's.
Just like its not a players job to fix the horrible buffing situation. Its NCSoft's.
I have rice to eat. Death to farmer clans. Strength to those that still oppse them and haven't JOINED UP WITH THEM... because the game supposedly forces them too.
I really hate arguing with people who are bad in English. I can never be sure if they understand the point I'm trying to get across.
Sorry. i forgot to say: "Sorry about my english because it is not my native language". But i can read 99% and write 80%.
I can understand what are you writing and supose what are you trying hydden :)
Nah I Dont feel like explaining something I've already explained.
Explain what? Something like that you consort with bots, and that you have benefitted from them? That they assist you and you assist them? Elucidate, please? :mad:
You sure leave loose ends with that comment of your.
I had hoped to see a better answer there.
Something along the line of:
Ingame assets are for those that are patient or those that are strong and at the same time legit.
Yea, I was actually starting to like him when he made his long drawn out boring post in that other thread (where he took one of my *opinions* and turned it into a general consensus for the purpose of his argument - but I digressed that). But that post was just ******ed.
Waiting every 3-8 months for them to do a mass ban is really bad.
Another thing, just because there is one player running a 9 man bot crew doesn't mean they are legit players who just happened to play alot. I play alot, but I don't have my buffers and supplementary DDs on L.2.Walker getting the job done. Two totally different things.
If farmer clans were groups of 9 REAL PLAYERS and maybe a couple of 2 boxers doing their thing, that would be one thing. But from what I've seen (and I've seen alot of Walker+1 real dorf groups), they should be banned just like any other bot.
Clans who make deals with farmers are just ******ed, and helping degrade the quality of the game; since they are, more often than not, the ones in best position to at least try to put a stop to it.
It's pretty sad, cause now most clans coming up won't ever be able to really raid any good content. All the RBs are either farmed by farmers (insta-killed when they spawn i.e. Ant Queen) or controlled by high level clans and alliances :(
All this does is remove more of the benefits of clan/group play away from the game. Why join a clan/pvp/group up if you won't ever really benefit from it anyways (raids, etc.). You don't need a clan to siege...
I guess be rich IRL, eh?
Very disappointed - but of course 98% of you guys dont' feel the same way.
If you feel that an account is using a bot program report it.
Report them for botting? Once their farming teams have made it to beast farm they are no longer botted.
The feed/level/spoil sequence needed to spoil the A recipes is not a 'simple' thing to bot like 99% of the rest of the game you find bots in. (I've done this before DF inevitably showed up and it's not a 'easy' thing even for a live player. Simple maybe, but not trivial.) Thus, these are pretty much the only 'live' farmers left. (Everything else being automated.)
Even the PK chars that show up afterwards have been botted in the past tense. Meaning they are no longer actively botted, but now only taken out when DF needs to put the squeeze on regular players.
Reporting them for botting now? it is already too late for that.
(The cat is already of the bag, cows out of the barn, your a 'little pregnant' etc. ad nauseum.)
Beyond that: Lineage II is a PvP game where assets and resources are controlled by the strong and patient.
~spam
Strong and patient?
Hey! Let's make it so that castle's can be sieged 24x7! That'll make sure they are only controlled by the 'strong and patient'.
After all, if a alliance can't be there to defend a castle at all hours of the day or night, then they must not be 'strong or patient'.
Here's the short of it. FireDragon is a Farmer clan. Their 'greatest strength' is the fact that they get PAID to lockdown beast farm and keep the market for A grade helms artificially inflated. A market monopoly which they use as a means to 'encourage' people to use their 'adena selling' business to afford the A grade helms which people can not (reliably) farm themselves due to Firedragon interference.
Their 'greatest patience' is the fact that they are NOT normal players. They are paid workers working around the clock so that their presence is always there. Normal players do not have the 'strength or patience' to get paid to play the game. Thus no matter how 'dedicated' they are, they cannot dedicate the time necessary to remove FD permanently from the area. (Real players have lives. Yes, even the ones who are in-school on-break can't play 24x7 like FD is.) And any real clan will eventually break up or move on as sitting in Beast farm for months on end is boring. (Thus any 'player lockdowns' are naturally limited by out of game influences...unlike FireDragon's which is the opposite.)
In the real world, FireDragon would be classified either as a 'Mafia organization' or a 'Monopoly'. The first would be arrested and jailed, and the second would be heavily regulated. NC needs to do the in-game equivelant of those options.
But if you think it's OK for the Dallas Cowboys to come down to your childrens school and use their 'strength and patience' to 'Lockdown your schools football practice fields' (To prevent competition) then all the regular players have left is the ability to 'vote with their wallets'.
In the real world, FireDragon would be classified either as a 'Mafia organization' or a 'Monopoly'. The first would be arrested and jailed, and the second would be heavily regulated. NC needs to do the in-game equivelant of those options.
But if you think it's OK for the Dallas Cowboys to come down to your childrens school and use their 'strength and patience' to 'Lockdown your schools football practice fields' (To prevent competition) then all the regular players have left is the ability to 'vote with their wallets'.
Very disappointed - but of course 98% of you guys dont' feel the same way.
I do, and I think there is more than 2% that agree with you. What you and Pain, and Pirotesa and so many others have said here are supported I believe by more people --in the whole L2 players' population-- than you can think of.
Farmers was what made me to quit 9 months ago, as well as their support by a couple of powerful clans who could had kicked them out, but they didn't.
I know I am replying to troll bait here. But I guess I am a troll today.
Original question: Someone told me to leave the beast farm or they would kill me.
Original answer: Suck it up, its a PvP game.
First reply: But they are bots! (or use bot programs)
Second answer: Report them.
spam answers: Report bots and fight for what you want.
The bait: You don't ban, and it is too hard to fight. /lost respect for spam. /orc becomes a troll
The trolls response:
We MASS ban every week. Sometimes several times a week. (Who ever said every 5-6 months in mistaken.)
If it is too hard to fight? /shrug I guess the monster farm will never be used again.
My point is: The GMs work hard to remove cheaters. If you suspect someone of cheating and it is affecting your game play. Report them and we will look into it. If you are just complaining that PvP is too hard and you want GMs to get involved in clan politics, you are playing the wrong game.
Cheating and playing a hard game... well hard, are 2 seperate issues and that is what my reply was meant to say.
I never said farmers have the right to ruin your time.
That's not a question of having the right it seems - its more they got the possibility and using this - they ruin our time and fun in game because they can - so what you trying to say here? You don't wan't that they ruin our game, but you can't do anything about it - the game is like it is I guess.
I will say it again:
.. and again and again and ...
If they are a cheater. Report them.
.... the most hunting areas still have tons of bots - you got that ?
..if they are not cheater - do whatever
but ok in this case the beastfarm-farmers prolly even not using any illegal program - they are simply online 24/7 with the same accounts.
These problems really won't be solved by a GM as long we want the game's architecture like it is, but it could be solved by Gustin's or whatever server's community!
but ok in this case the beastfarm-farmers prolly even not using any illegal program - they are simply online 24/7 with the same accounts
If that's the case, then what's to differentiate them between real players and farmers? Are *you* online 24/7 to see them there 24/7, or is it simply the case of them being active the same hours you are?
If they aren't using EULA-breaking tools to lock this area down, what makes them any different than if any other powerful alliance from doing the same thing?
If that is indeed the case... then what we're looking at is, indeed, a CMN situation.
There's nothing EULA-breaking about locking down an area and selling the loot on the market. If you have a monopoly on a particular item, you're free to set your own price.
While account-sharing is against EULA, there's so many loopholes and allowances given for that situation that its a wonder anyone ever gets banned for it.
I guess the only thing left to do is fight them. Push them out, take the area over, and keep them off it. How you'd go about doing that is up to those who undertake that task.
call this devil's adovcate or whatever, but do any of you actually know what the GMs have to do in order to ban an account? its not as though you can petition and the GM will say "well of course this person wouldnt lie so these people are perma banned". I cant speak for other servers, but I know on mine, I look around there are less bots. alot of the bots I've seen in varying places are no where to be found (presumed banned) is the environment 100% free of bots? no, but to expect that is very naive. but even the selling bots (ones that have oddly long shout macros for selling stuff) have disappeared as well.
me personally, I'm glad they take time to investigate who they ban. I know for a fact I've been reported before when I was making my 3 box at first (macro assiting + new/young people led to the instant assumption I was a bot and I got a good ole GM inquery thing in my face) if they took that petition at face value, bye bye 2 brand new accounts. (and of course enter pirotesa with comments of how I am ruining the game w/ my box etc etc)
do I think its right what this clan is doing? hell no, but if it was affecting me that much, I'd either find a way around it (toi hunt like mad and try for a recipe the old school way) or find others in the same boat as me and fight (and as spam said, report them if you think they are using walker or something, hell report em if they force log or anything along those lines)
If you are just complaining that PvP is too hard and you want GMs to get involved in clan politics, you are playing the wrong game.
This is off-side. No one complained about *that* and you know it. PvPing farmers and PvPing clans of *real* players are two different things.
That is my whole point.
I never said farmers have the right to ruin your time.
I will say it again:
If they are a cheater. Report them.
If they are not a cheater but you don't like them... do what ever.
Ok. I will say it again too.
They are bots and everyone now about that. If you cant see this by yourself as a GM nobody here can help.
If you do your job Ban it.
If you dont ban it ... do what ever.
Ok. I will say it again too.
They are bots and everyone now about that. If you cant see this by yourself as a GM nobody here can help.
If you do your job Ban it.
If you dont ban it ... do what ever.
I beleive its already been said (a page or two back) by someone whos watched them that they arent using bot programs.
They *might* have to level up. However I doubt that too.
The ones we have on Bartz dont ever use Bot programs, they leveled legit in pole parties down in cats, often times clearing out the entire cat of people first by using (I'm sure) bot'ed up enforcer toons.
However they themselves are legal for all intent and purpose. (Even tho I wish I could have all the zaken pirate hats they are sporting)
I know I am replying to troll bait here. But I guess I am a troll today.
Original question: Someone told me to leave the beast farm or they would kill me.
Original answer: Suck it up, its a PvP game.
First reply: But they are bots! (or use bot programs)
Second answer: Report them.
spam answers: Report bots and fight for what you want.
The bait: You don't ban, and it is too hard to fight. /lost respect for spam. /orc becomes a troll
The trolls response:
We MASS ban every week. Sometimes several times a week. (Who ever said every 5-6 months in mistaken.)
If it is too hard to fight? /shrug I guess the monster farm will never be used again.
My point is: The GMs work hard to remove cheaters. If you suspect someone of cheating and it is affecting your game play. Report them and we will look into it. If you are just complaining that PvP is too hard and you want GMs to get involved in clan politics, you are playing the wrong game.
Cheating and playing a hard game... well hard, are 2 seperate issues and that is what my reply was meant to say.
I said 3-5 months cause the bot accounts that I reported 3 months ago (WAKGOT and some SE on Barts, and many other nuker+SE combos) have now been sold and are being played actively. They still bot, ocassionally. There is an entire clan on Bartz that monopolizes many of the higher-level areas in Valley of Saints and will come zerg you with Sg toons if you kill their bots.
I'm sorry NCSoft does a horrible job of regulating the bot population - low level bots in newbie areas that are used for 5 days of your toon's life is one think. But bots in an area where you spend months leveling is a totally different story. I have reported dozens of them and they have not been banned.
Please leave the newbie areas of /trialaccount bots and start banning bots that actually need to be banned. We already know you can't get rid of them 100%, but actually cleaning out the areas where many player would have to spend weeks-months grinding and/or camping for recs/mats would be a better direction to go IMO.
ASAICT, no bots that I have reported have been banned, though, despite getting the cookie-cutter auto-reply. They are now approaching Sg and most of them have been sold off and are now being played actively.
They don't work as hard as you'd like us to believe. That, or you need more GMs.
But it isn't the players' jobs to manage the bot population - especially not in a game where bots outnumber players and do it in plain sight.
but ok in this case the beastfarm-farmers prolly even not using any illegal program - they are simply online 24/7 with the same accounts
If that's the case, then what's to differentiate them between real players and farmers? Are *you* online 24/7 to see them there 24/7, or is it simply the case of them being active the same hours you are?
If they aren't using EULA-breaking tools to lock this area down, what makes them any different than if any other powerful alliance from doing the same thing?
Have you seen the pictures of farmerclans where they sitting in a room, what is more like an office, with a room next to that, where the noneactives can sleep?
They can't be caught for accountsharing if its like this - they change the person in the same room at a running account.
Do we want to lose all the *real* players who do accountsharing - lol - I guess we would be very lonely here and the game would probably die or at the end you got only Ebayers and farmers, who can't be caught for cheating.
Allright, let me tell you all how to deal with farmers, since many of you are obviously too oblivious to RL economics and in-game ways of affecting such economics. If you want to beat farmers into submission you gotta understand how they think.
Farmer clans, as I BETTER HOPE YOU ALL KNOW have one goal, which is the same goal shared by any business: to MAKE MONEY.
If you can interfere enough with how they MAKE MONEY, they will move on to other things. This will take a group effort, but I guess on your servers, effort isn't something you're used to. So either organize something server-wide or go suck your thumb curled up in a corner.
Everytime they get an account banned, they need to buy a new copy of the game + they lose any time that was already paid for. They also lose something else: many days of innefficient money-making. If, for example, a level 20- makes 100k per day, while a 60+ makes 1.5m per day and a 70+ makes 2.5m per day, it means that after they restart a new account, they will be for many days / weeks that their adena revenue will suffer.
If you know FOR SURE that a character is a bot, report them. But in your bot report, explain what makes you sure the person is botting. Example: if you kill the dd and the healer keeps spamming rez, but the dd is set to refuse rezes, they can check logs and see that 1000 rezes were cast and all were refused, so it's not hard to prove that the healer is set to auto-rez but the dd is set to auto-refuse rezes. By making it easier for GMs to ban bots you are helping two persons: the GM and YOU, YOU NIMBWIT, because after all, the bot is bothering YOU.
With a good regime of petitioning bots often, you have only done the first step of a successful terror campaign. The second part which 95% of players seem to be ignorant about is that KILLING BOTS DOES HELP.
Farmers don't care about 4% losses? True, I'll grant you that. But they still care about PvP. Why? Because every time you kill them, if it takes 15 mins for them to run their 9 bots back to the gk and teleport back to the hunting spot, and then run back to where they hunt, that is 15 mins that they make 0 profit. If you do that 4 times an hour, that's a whole hour they made no money; If you keep that going on many hours a day, you'll see they'll either move away or become more submissive than dominating.
The other aspect is to set off a more realistic goal. Elliminating farmers completely will never happen. Making sure they don't disturb you, though, is very easilly achievable. Once you put enoug pressure (through GM petitions and PKing them often), you'll notice they'll start cooperating.
If a very large alliance on your server would kick out that farmer clan of beast farms, he can negociate some terms of surrender. First term is for the farmers to yield any hunting spot to any of their members who needs it. That doesn't mean there will be 0 farmers in beast farms, it means that once you go somewhere, you pm the farmer and say "I need this spot" and he'll go away. Why? Because he knows if he doesn't, he won't be bringing any adena to his boss, and if he doesn't generate enough adena, he won't get paid and/or lose his job.
Remember, most farmers you will bump into are EMPLOYEES. The bosses are very rare, most of them only manage / motivate their botting and selling teams and research new ways of making money.
If you are hunting somewhere regularly and a new bot train comes that isn't "native" to that area, you'll be able to threaten them: "This is my spot. Leave now or I will /gm you." This actually works pretty well. And if they don't leave, be consequent with your actions: /gm them.
Whichever clan manages to put the farmers into submission can also make deals of where farmers are to be tollerated and where they shall not. For example, during prelude, on Erica we negociated so that farmers would cede their CT rooms to any players who asked (politely or not) them to. CT was thus identified as a "player-owned area". Farmers quickly found out it was more lucrative for them to move on to places where they wouldn't get killed as much.
Later on, ToI farmers got a different treatment: since players only used certain floors, farmers were kicked off of floors 4, 9 and 10, while floors 1, 2, 3, 6, 7, 8, 11, 12, 13 were fair game to them. So more often than not, there were enough players on floor 5 that you can pass through without any troubles, and then farmer groups on floors 6-8 that you could pm and they'd help you go through to higher floors, then you would hitch a ride with players and make it to toi 10 safely without silent step.
This served two things: it made it easier on the farmers because they knew what floors they would be safe from having to PvP in, while it helped players get toi ToI 10 safely and made sure that places where players actually wanted to kill mobs in were clear from farmers. Best of both worlds for everyone concerned.
Same thing was done for catas/necros. There was a time where there were too many farmers (a new breed so they hadn't been branded by the hot iron yet), then we beat them into submission once again. After that, you could ask any of them for their room and they'd move on or just go sit in a corner until you were done.
Erica farmers keeps on being submissive even to this day, because they know if they try to stir trouble up there are a few hardcore clans who are trying to go out of their way to make sure them farmers don't make much money. So if you go to good exp places such as VoS, BS, FotD, most of the good spots are free from farmers, and those that aren't free, you can just go to the farmer and say "I need this spot for the next few hours" and he'll just go sit to a safe spot until you're done.
Will it take a lot of time, effort and energy to do all of this? Hell yeah. Will it be worth it in the end? Definitely. So don't be shy on going red on a few of them and brezing yourself to wash karma. If enough of you do it, it'll take a week or two and your farmer troubles will be over for years to come. Seems like a fair investment.
Have you seen the pictures of farmerclans where they sitting in a room, what is more like an office, with a room next to that, where the noneactives can sleep?
They can't be caught for accountsharing if its like this - they change the person in the same room at a running account.
Do we want to lose all the *real* players who do accountsharing - lol - I guess we would be very lonely here and the game would probably die or at the end you got only Ebayers and farmers, who can't be caught for cheating.
and then out of sudden as a direct answer from Ferslicious:
Cry more about being pked, its a game lol
Go to a carebear came like everquest u [censored]
rofl
thats the reason I'm not often posting here - it seems half of the forum members aren't able to read or listen, but they know how to copy any senseless crappy offence into a thread, degardless of if it fits or not.
You are not smart enought to understand that they use bots to get power and control the game. Is this a fair game?
I dont use bot and spend time for every exo that i have so i care about loose exp for bots.
Think a little more and see what you are talking.
First off, don't make yourself look any more foolish by name calling. My intelligence is a non-factor in your decision to play this game. The game is what it is. If NC cared enough about the bots, there wouldn't be any...plain and simple.
Now either you realize that if you're gonna play the game, you put up with it, or don't play the game. Very simple logic really....think about that for a bit will ya?
Some people either haven't played any hardcore MMO other than L2 [in a hardcore fashion] or have EQ confused with WoW.
Just because L2 = open/broken PvP and bot/farmer wars with an overexcessive grind doesn't necessarily make it "hardcore".
The same way a game without open PvP doesn't necessarily make it carebear.
Unfortunately there isn't much to do in L2 than look for gear/recs/mats or players would have less to complain about bots and farmers. Ever wonder why other games don't have as many people complaining about them?
we all know what "they" do there... and how... script bots ftw...
(lol, do u rly think they play real on BF :o? theres nothing ingame that cant be automated... just need 1 guy/a shift to watch...)
should i say GJ NC ? as always ? ...
baaah, let em do .. i go get some beer :)
maybe the "force" with HGMspam anyday :p
p.s.: i see scripted 2nd class transfers till... dunno ,lol
they not live.. its full automated... do u rly think b0t do a 2nd for every toon ???
im watching this till a long long time.. but im sick of petitions... cuz nothing happens.. not on franz, not on gustin ... never .. ->got that *spam ?
**** its better to be on the dark side , or ? ... at least easier.. *grrrr*
its not the b0ts that make me sick.. its the ZERO enforcement from NC ...
the dark side is still creative, buff stacks,scripts ... ++++
They seriously do a really bad job of their "mass sweeps", though. And I dunno if I can believe *Spam because I report every bot with a readable name (= toon to be sold later) and all of them are still active and/or have been sold. Some of them now in high level alliances as they started when I was level 40 and are now Sg levels (or very close).
I had WAKGOT (bot now sold) send me a PM in game asking me if I was a bot when I was lvling in VoS (I guess she either wanted my drops, or my spot) and if anything could crack me up, that sure as hell did!
Big diff between a legit and farmer clan controlling an area. Legit clans have to fund their L2 and support their families. The game isn't their job so they can't be there 24/7. Farmer clans use L2 as a source of income, so they are ALWAYS there 24/7, holidays, weekends, etc. They never go away. There is no possible way to penetrate that, especially when they have botted-up toons with boss jewels and Sg gear to whip out and come roll you.
I'm sure you can kill their bots/farmer toons - but don't be suprised when you have 5+ nukers spamming vortex/nukes on you 5 minutes later, or archers plummeling you.
Because I'm that stupid. I see the ads on blah occasionally and get a good laugh out of it before it's deleted as I'm sure some people fall for it.
But seriously if you can't beat them, which it sounds like lots of people are saying you can't, figure out something else. Bash some of us all you want for befriending some of them but at least we get what we need done.
+1
I like your strategy much better than other players' pathetic befriending system. Thank you for sharing it. Now we need some changes here and there, since I'm certain farmers read the boards too.
I have had my fair share of Bad Bot experiences. Parties of bots stealing rooms or hunting grounds, Bots stealing your drops, and hey PKing them is a waste of time, ive killed whole parties and it only causes me trouble. They either come back with S graders and PK me or use their lower level bots to send tons of Mobs onto me, and of course, since I PKed them I am red, so they now get drops off me.
So really by PKing bots, you are only helping them get more Items and in turn more money. Making the Fair player question his/her ability to ever be able to have the equipment the bots do without turning to ebaying. And also, losing that C grade or what ever item you dropped to a bot pking you, can be a serious set back, for alot of items in the game are millions in price and whats this? mobs only drop mabe 1-2k adena from lvls 30-60 assuming you will solo for the money, making it almost impossible to ever get the items you want or need.
I have learned my lesson and will never PK a bot again, and I will just leave every time a party of bots strolls in, or a party of people decide they want my hunting area and will PK me to get it, because I will just end up dieing and losing more exp,
Fighting back will only make it worse, clans will make a KoS (Kill on sight) for your character, and soon you'll find yourself being PKed everywhere you go only because you tried to defend yourself and killed a member of their clan while they took your hunting ground.
I have reported several Bots and non have ever been banned, and If NC even took 1 look in any catacomb Necrompolis or major hunting ground, the could se for themselves the HUGE amount of bot parties around. though, this said, the massive number of Bots is generating tons of money for NC themselves. So really, why would they ban bots if its in their best interest to keep them?
I have rambled on enough about the problems I've encountered trying to play Lineages 2 fairly. My advice is this, though it may seem what others have called "care bearish" I suggest playing very passively, leave if a group asks you to leave, don't kill the bots whole stole your good exp hunting ground, find another one though it may have less exp or doesn't produce the drop you want, the bots/clan/party will eventually leave, and it saves you from losing exp if you stay, because my experience says 99% of the time they will PK you.
Have fun riping apart, or agreeing with this post. ^^
Quite simply, Simpleshapes, it's because of that kind of attitude that some servers have a hard time with their bots.
Rule number one of going red: GET A -_- KARMA WASH. I mean seriously. SoE to CH, get killed by a friend, use a rez or no rez, whatever, just don't stick around once you're red, that's just asking for trouble.
If you want to drive bots or whatever away, you gotta do to them what causes you to get driven away. They're not different. You don't like wasting time (i.e. losing exp) and they don't like wasting time (i.e. unproductive time).
So train them, pk them, whatever, but as soon as you're done, GET OUT. then 30-45 mins later or whatever go for an other run at it.
I think NCSoft is loosing a good way to make money.
Why NCSoft dont sell adena like time cards? Some games do this to make money.
Atleast we will be free from bots. Ebayers will exist forever but if NCSoft sell adena/items at your web store no farmets/bots will exists :)
What the diference to buy a lvl 75 char from ebay or from NCSoft?
Some games only make money selling items at oficial website.
Duh AiramezBR. Buying game currency directly from the game company is not the same as buying a lvl 75 toon. For me it would work all right if NC decided to raise adena drop a bit. I don't mind grinding, especially if a couple of in-game friends are in a party with me. Still, I have hunted a lot solo (90%) and don't complain either. I'm a quite patient person.
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The farmers provide 3 services: power-leveling/accounts, adena and gear.
What drives the RMT industry are drops, full and/or crafted.
If a farmer sells you 100m for 50$ and you buy 100m of gear from one of his alts in giran, he ends up with 50$, still has initial 100m and you now have the item.
An example I'll give is when people bought in-game katanas for 350$ worth of adena back during prelude or early C1. To fully-gear a character in c-grade back then probably cost about the same thing in US$ than it costs right now for s-grade (minus epics) even though the adena costs are much higher.
This is how inflation is created in-game. As farmers generate more and more adena, they raise the price of items and lowers the price of adena, which means that for the RM buyer, the item will still cost the same $ amount, but the legit player now has to pay much more for the item.
It also means that when you do get a drop, say a SLS, it's worth much more, because you'll sell it for 16m instead of 8m, which renders the shop-bought items much cheaper than initially intended, because in the end everyone has more adena and each full-drop you get keeps you going for much longer on supplies.
*start hypothetical scenario*
If you get rid of bots and toons involved in selling adena, prices of full items will drop like crazy. This will make supplies (such as SS/pots) more a factor and give greater buying power to the legit players.
If NCSoft would then start selling adena, it would inflate prices of everything because there would be much more adena flowing around than things to buy.
There will be an extreme demand for items, so crafting materials and recipes would become expensive again, which will be great news for bounty hunters but bad news for the rest of the players.
Since gear will be rare, a lot of people will be forced to keep their lower-end gear until they can craft their own higher items. So if a-grade mats drop on level 70+ mobs, chances are a lot of players would be forced to stay in b-grade until they could kill enough 70+ mobs to get enough parts to craft.
This is a bit like in the olde days when level 50+ SH were running around with mithril robes (no gloves) and +0 to +3 demon fangs because c-grade stuff was way too expensive. Archers also sticked to gastra bows until they could start hunting them thunder wyrms for some better bows.
*end hypothetical scenario*
What you silly servers gotta learn is how to take the good from the bots (tons of available gear in giran) and get rid of the bad: farmers interfering with your hunting spots. After that you can live in a state of zen or symbiosis where they make enough money to feed their families and you have gear to buy, without bumping into each-other outside of giran.
This is a bit like in the olde days when level 50+ SH were running around with mithril robes (no gloves) and +0 to +3 demon fangs because c-grade stuff was way too expensive. Archers also sticked to gastra bows until they could start hunting them thunder wyrms for some better bows.
I was in Reinforced leather at lvl 54 in the "new" days too.
What you silly servers gotta learn is how to take the good from the bots (tons of available gear in giran) and get rid of the bad: farmers interfering with your hunting spots. After that you can live in a state of zen or symbiosis where they make enough money to feed their families and you have gear to buy, without bumping into each-other outside of giran.
Or, alternatively, NC could change how the rates and levels at which items drop. (And they should do this, so that "live" players who play the game for fun can actually get the gear they need without depending on people who run bots 24/7 to enough drops to suplly the "real" players.)
Actually, "live" players who play the game for fun don't need better gear than what drops at their level. The only case you NEED better gear is for pvp. For pve, you can easilly survive quite well by having c grade until 60 and b-grade until 70+.
But when you want to go toe-to-toe against a 78+ FotM s-grader, THAT's when you NEED better gear.
I hope ncsoft/gm's whatever realise there is a serious issue with beast farm clan hall. once taken, its impossible to retake it from the holding clan. your 9 man party will face their entire clan and die .
another thing, in other games i dont see FARMERS getting a veto on bosses like they do here with zaken/AQ. they just straight ban them. ive seen zaken once, on the TEST SERVER, c2 pts, at gludin harbor. you were there spam i remember. farmers just have to kill it once and earn 550m. doh! pvping clans is entirely different to pvping people whos job it is, to kill ant queen and get the drop. i dont buy "they are not doing anything wrong" line anymore and I havent been buying that crap since c2.
Actually, "live" players who play the game for fun don't need better gear than what drops at their level. The only case you NEED better gear is for pvp. For pve, you can easilly survive quite well by having c grade until 60 and b-grade until 70+.
But when you want to go toe-to-toe against a 78+ FotM s-grader, THAT's when you NEED better gear.
I finally got my A-Grade set at lvl 69 and only because i got a big help from a friend.
reroll to Lionna.
the botless server.
i hardly see any bots the last few months.
Is this true or a joke?
imo, yes.
ask around and see.
there are 3 possible reasons for the absence of bots on Lionna.
1) GMs did a mass bans
2) low population
3) noone buys their products/services
and since im romantic and dreamer, regarding L2, i believe 1 & 3 choices happened.
I came back after a two year hiatus and it's good to see NCSoft has finally gotten a grip on the farmer/botter population and that it's no longer incumbent upon the player base to solve NCSoft's problems. I know, I know...they work hard to enforce the rules and all that. That's why years later there are entire clans of Chinese speaking bot trains running roughshod over players who aren't in large clans. Yeah, this is purely a PVP issue...keep telling yourselves that.
lol, way to build your base guys. Call your legit players whiners and tell them to suck it up. Ahahaha. This is awesome. The only thing that could top this is a Tseric-esque explosion.
*For clarification*
I am back simply to chit-chat with a friend and maybe group a bit. I could give a **** what farmers do or how little NCSoft can do/does do to increase the enjoyment of the average subscriber.
I think this thread has served its purpose. It is time for it to meet its demise in the gloomy deep.
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