I have now discovered the reason EV is called "Enchanted".
All the players their are magical!!!!!!
They move and attack all on there own! omg its amazing!
/endsarcasm
Seriously these "magical" players take up the majority IF not ALL the open areas in EV and its next to impossible to level.
I look foward to tuesday downtimes b/c right after them is the ONLY time where i can level without all the automated characters killing ALL the mobs.
My god this game has gone to hell.
I wonder if NCSOFT knows that if all the real players disapear the bots will too and this game is gonna live on forever in private servers b/c thers not gonna b much of an official game left.
Do you have a higher level toon or friend who can help?
Since all of the EV mobs are social, just run around grabbing all of the Satyrs (or as many as you can) but don't hit them or anything, no casting or healing (just pots). Go stand right next to where an automated group are fighting and just tank the satyrs for a bit. Chances are they'll notice somone is hitting their friend and decide to hit them instead. If you have enough satyrs the "automation" should drop rather quickly. Even with a healer, once that toon is dead, they'll move on to the healer.
This is a tried and tested method for disposal in the cats and necs, so I'm sure it'll work in EV.
NCsoft has banned over a hundred thousand accounts for L2NA. The problem isn't NCsoft of the GMs.
It's the players. If you STOP BUYING ADENA or... I dunno... STOP BOTTING, you will stop seeing bots. Meanwhile... stop crying because everything that can be done is being done.
With the exception of IP/ Mac Address bans... and player screening (Like using SSNs) to keep rule breakers from coming back in after they are banned. Seriously... it takes so little to exp/ farm for those who are logged in 24/7... we cannot even compete with that. If you do IP bans and/ or screening (like Korea~) most of our problems will be solved. On top of that... start blocking countries like the others do. It's gr9 :gwa:
I still have a few locations here and there in EV that isn't crowded with these people :) what server are you on? i could show you one or two spots if you're on hinde
Only problem is.. during the C4/C5 mass bot ban 1/3 of the population quit from most servers.
However annoying they are these illegal players bring mats/key items/rare items to the game that would simply be too unavailable or overpriced for the legitimate player to acquire with the current player bas/playstyle of NA.
However annoying they are these illegal players bring mats/key items/rare items to the game that would simply be too unavailable or overpriced for the legitimate player to acquire with the current player bas/playstyle of NA.
I wander how long it's gonna take for someone to chime in saying "well, why don't you roll a Bounty Hunter then". This is true, everyone loves to have these automatons, but however they do make mats, recipes and even weapons available for far less than they could be and in far greater quantities than a normal single player can or would want to :p
NCsoft has banned over a hundred thousand accounts for L2NA. The problem isn't NCsoft of the GMs.
It's the players. If you STOP BUYING ADENA or... I dunno... STOP BOTTING, you will stop seeing bots. Meanwhile... stop crying because everything that can be done is being done.
With the exception of IP/ Mac Address bans... and player screening (Like using SSNs) to keep rule breakers from coming back in after they are banned. Seriously... it takes so little to exp/ farm for those who are logged in 24/7... we cannot even compete with that. If you do IP bans and/ or screening (like Korea~) most of our problems will be solved. On top of that... start blocking countries like the others do. It's gr9 :gwa:
Nice idea bar banning countries, thats the most stupid thing i ever heard. If they did that NO1 would be able to log on.
However annoying they are these illegal players bring mats/key items/rare items to the game that would simply be too unavailable or overpriced for the legitimate player to acquire with the current player bas/playstyle of NA.
I couldn't agree with you more. If it weren't for them I wouldn't have the mats I have in the warehouse. Plus they kill so fast and they never complain when I seed. It's a win-win situation. They get lots of xp and I get lots of manoring done. Just FYI, spam the harvester when there's a bounty hunter in the group or else you lose out when the mob glows blue.
However annoying they are these illegal players bring mats/key items/rare items to the game that would simply be too unavailable or overpriced for the legitimate player to acquire with the current player bas/playstyle of NA.
I wander how long it's gonna take for someone to chime in saying "well, why don't you roll a Bounty Hunter then". This is true, everyone loves to have these automatons, but however they do make mats, recipes and even weapons available for far less than they could be and in far greater quantities than a normal single player can or would want to :p
Sorry but I have to call BS on this. If you remember back in per C1 before we were swamped by thoes type of toons the prices of mats weren't that high. Also if your servers manor system is working good, there should be plenty of mats laying around.
Well the thing is if there weren't any bots equipment would have been much lower grade as it is now and mats would have been more expensive.
But on the other hand players would pay much more attention to what and where they are hunting as well as being familiar with market demand (in other words selling much less to the vendor).
But seriously the REAL problem are players that buy adena for money. Without them there would be only a few player bots that would probably be easier to take care of. While atm some places have over 90% bot population like Enchanted Valley. I needed some SBs from there and since ALL the places on the outer ring were take I was thinking this should be easy. I PMed like 30% of bots there asking for SBs and got 0 replies. Back in the days at someone was there to take care of the groups. But now they are completely afk and mostly 24/7.
I really don't see who the hell buys so much adena so that its profitable to have so many bots. It seems that this is out of control thats why more and more real players are jumping the wagon.
main problem is theres no loss for them if they get trained so they can leave their computer 24/7 and won't lose out.
I pked a group out of a catacomb room 3-4 times but they were set to just run back every time they died and carry on hunting, in the end I had to go level elsewhere because they wouldn't leave and no-one was home.
If you look carefully you'll find a new breed. Those that powerlevel up using shots and they have nice names. They still get the mats but the real bucks is when the toon is sold already finished with subquests and sometimes already noble.
I know where your coming from mate. I think we all have been there before, where everything around us is moving yet not alive. Back in the days when you could drop items due to death by mob's, I use to make a killing in there (in more than one way ;)).
After some time you will learn to have some fun with them. Try playing the strong arm game with them. Train them over and over, it shoulding take took long to wake up one of those groups and have them PM you asking you to stop. This is where you stand your ground and tell them not untill you get the SB's your looking for (sometimes after this it might take a few more trains for them to learn your not going anywhere). Oh ya, as a small side note: This process does also work for a few of the events we have had ;)
main problem is theres no loss for them if they get trained so they can leave their computer 24/7 and won't lose out.
I pked a group out of a catacomb room 3-4 times but they were set to just run back every time they died and carry on hunting, in the end I had to go level elsewhere because they wouldn't leave and no-one was home.
Oh dude you gave up way to early....whats wrong with ppl now a days, too lazy to see things through. Next time don't PK them, train them. So what if you have to do it over and over, as long as there coming back with that death pently before you know it you won't have to train them. I have gotten groups down enough so that they couldn't even handle 2 mobs at the same time. It's just too funny to watch cause they just keep coming back to try again and again.
When the situation is so bad that most or all of the spots in a particular hunting ground or dungeon are taken over by bots, just use the customer support site and report the problem as such. Make sure to put in a few names or attach a few screenshots. But make it clear that the problem you are reporting is not just this bot group or that bot group, but that a whole area has been taken over by bots. I have done this when CoA got taken over on my server, and it works. Of course, they reurned after a while. But they returned in smaller numbers and I just kept reporting them. Keep this up until you move on to the next area as you level, be that FP, or a Cat or whatever, and then repeat if necessary.
When the situation is so bad that most or all of the spots in a particular hunting ground or dungeon are taken over by bots, just use the customer support site and report the problem as such. Make sure to put in a few names or attach a few screenshots. But make it clear that the problem you are reporting is not just this bot group or that bot group, but that a whole area has been taken over by bots. I have done this when CoA got taken over on my server, and it works. Of course, they reurned after a while. But they returned in smaller numbers and I just kept reporting them. Keep this up until you move on to the next area as you level, be that FP, or a Cat or whatever, and then repeat if necessary.
I play on bartz and i have repeatedly sent in petitions about the same 3 bots and NOTHING has been done. It is just ridiculous and i really dont think they care at all. I sent in another petition just a little while ago and asked for some live support, not just a automated message and what do u no less than 30 seconds later i get the stupid "If we can prove beyond a reasonable doubt...". And whats funny is that ther were 12 petitions ahead of me!
What kind of [censored] is that? I feel srry for our new CM who has to deal with all these people. Its not wonder Mistryl quit.
main problem is theres no loss for them if they get trained so they can leave their computer 24/7 and won't lose out.
I pked a group out of a catacomb room 3-4 times but they were set to just run back every time they died and carry on hunting, in the end I had to go level elsewhere because they wouldn't leave and no-one was home.
Oh dude you gave up way to early....whats wrong with ppl now a days, too lazy to see things through. Next time don't PK them, train them. So what if you have to do it over and over, as long as there coming back with that death pently before you know it you won't have to train them. I have gotten groups down enough so that they couldn't even handle 2 mobs at the same time. It's just too funny to watch cause they just keep coming back to try again and again.
Maybe the bots on your server are smarter!!!
The bots here forcelog/run away and even Party Return in high level bot parties when you train them. I had another SH+SE bot team in a popular spot. I PKd the SH and the SE rezzed, then the SH got up spamming Shadow Flare and Hurricane on me (I was red). After killing her about 3 times and finally letting a mob kill me and rezzing myself with my SE (White again) the bot stopped nuking me. She never (ever) replied to any PMs, didn't leave, just rezzed up and continued on her hunting pattern.
Another time I had a friend come kill a bot for me Syndicate/Bloodsoul (known botter/farming clan on Bartz) brought an S Grade SH (Conryat) to PK us. He also brought a few others with him and killed his karma up as they picked his gear up for him when he died.
They don't care about their XP, do you?
It's no our fault NCSoft thinks the game should be dependent on adena in every aspect of it (from buying gear to leveling/killing mobs). That is why eBaying is so prevelent, and if L3 is designed any with any similarity, it will fail just as badly.
how to solve problem? take any of your toons you'r not using anymore, go to that spot you wanna hunt, PK all b*ts. hunt there untill b*tprotector arrives. can take a long time, from 20 min to 10 hours. :)
good luck
Too bad your on Bartz, otherwise I would train them for you...
Anyway, it has always been like that in EV. Ever since C3 anyway when I was their for the first time, must be a good place for mats, or maybe they farm spellbooks, I really am not sure.
They aren't going to go away only a few hours after you report them. Wait till next week maybe, it might take a few weeks. I know it seems long, and stupid in a situation like this, but NCsoft needs to take their time so they don't ban someone that really wasn't using a 3rd party program. Even if you could point out, and in your mind be 100000% sure that they were. Plus I think NCsoft goes the route of banning mass amounts of accounts. Gathering up all the ones that seem "bad" and banning them. This is just something you either have to believe or not. I do know the pro-farmers sometimes get banned, so I believe it.
For reporting a bad player or whatever, you RARELY will get live support. Live support is most likely few in quantity and is reserved for people that are having actual issues in game such as being stuck without /unstuck working, a broken class change quest, ect. ect.
I know they generally don't care about exp. But you do! So training them, having them log out, bsoe, dyeing (my favorite), is a way to get them out of your hair, at least for a little while. I have to fight for catacomb and necro rooms all the time to pull my trains. They either die or run out to a hall log off, and wait there till I am done, sometimes they try to train me, which I really love because I don't have to gather mobs then.
Training only works if you have mobs, its so bad in some catas theres not a single room to pull mobs from. Every room, even the small ones are fills with 3-5 "friends"
When the situation is so bad that most or all of the spots in a particular hunting ground or dungeon are taken over by bots, just use the customer support site and report the problem as such. Make sure to put in a few names or attach a few screenshots. But make it clear that the problem you are reporting is not just this bot group or that bot group, but that a whole area has been taken over by bots. I have done this when CoA got taken over on my server, and it works. Of course, they reurned after a while. But they returned in smaller numbers and I just kept reporting them. Keep this up until you move on to the next area as you level, be that FP, or a Cat or whatever, and then repeat if necessary.
I play on bartz and i have repeatedly sent in petitions about the same 3 bots and NOTHING has been done. It is just ridiculous and i really dont think they care at all. I sent in another petition just a little while ago and asked for some live support, not just a automated message and what do u no less than 30 seconds later i get the stupid "If we can prove beyond a reasonable doubt...". And whats funny is that ther were 12 petitions ahead of me!
What kind of [censored] is that? I feel srry for our new CM who has to deal with all these people. Its not wonder Mistryl quit.
In the extreme situation that you can't hunt at all in a certain field or dungeon, you don't just report that there are some bots. You report that the situation has gotten so out of control that you cannot find any place to hunt. And in my experience in this situation, don't only report to the GM. Also report through the NC website (which you can get to under Support links on this website). Then, in my experience, wait a couple of days and the place should be clear. FYI, I have done this in similar, but less extreme, situations since the one time CoA was overrun on my server. NC has responded in the other situations also.
NCsoft has banned over a hundred thousand accounts for L2NA. The problem isn't NCsoft of the GMs.
It's the players. If you STOP BUYING ADENA or... I dunno... STOP BOTTING, you will stop seeing bots. Meanwhile... stop crying because everything that can be done is being done.
With the exception of IP/ Mac Address bans... and player screening (Like using SSNs) to keep rule breakers from coming back in after they are banned. Seriously... it takes so little to exp/ farm for those who are logged in 24/7... we cannot even compete with that. If you do IP bans and/ or screening (like Korea~) most of our problems will be solved. On top of that... start blocking countries like the others do. It's gr9 :gwa:
"... everything that can be done is being done"
How do you know that? Are you a GM? :)
I reported 5 full automated parties in witches three weeks ago, I desided to return every week to check the progress, well there still in the same rooms. I love this game, but im sick of the crap, I dont understand why ncsoft has never removed the programs, after all, that what GG was for.
I agree that players now use automated help.. (healer etc), but in some ways, can you blame them, they see these automated chars, not getting band, and out lvling everyone.
NcSoft say they Ban accounts, but by the time they ban them, the farmers already have replacements ready to go, 1 well known farmer runs 150 groups, and has done for 2 years.
Sooner or later the farmers will leave l2, not because of ncsoft or bands, but because there will be no player base left.
I play a healer, and can spot an automated one, very quickly, funny how ncsoft cant.... :mad:
My biggest grief is when we're at war with someone and they're using w****r to find us wherever we are. If that's not an unfair advantage, I'm not sure what is. Even worse when we're defending our castle and our "hidden" party gets ganked because the enemy locate them using this tool.
"... everything that can be done is being done"
How do you know that? Are you a GM? :)
How do you know they're NOT?
Because simply put, i could ban 90% of the bots on ALL servers within 7 days of working at ncsoft going through all their protocols, if you dont believe me i could EASILY with their gm speeds etc blah blah identify bots, go through all the protocols and ban a full catacomb within half an hour, do all that then go WOA, hotsprings, varka, ketra, d-elf village, dwarf village.
There is prob 70% of the bots on all servers Gone.
There's definitely something stopping them, be it a clause in their own EULA or red tape from above, because if there wasn't anything stopping them, I'm pretty sure they'd have done it by now. Even so far as to hiring 3 people for £6 an hour (hell, I'd play a game for minimum wage!!!!!). to simply work 9-5 hopping between servers and making a hit list. It's not hard, so what's stopping them? It would be extremely nice to get an official stance on what I've just asked because I'm sure many others are asking the same thing.