Nice work on the new trial accounts NCSoft, glad to see, at least once, you learned. Yay!
Players using a trial account are not able to:
* Trade/Drop Adena or items
* Create/Buy from a Private Store
* Create/Use a Private Workshop (General or Dwarven Manufacture Shop)
* Use a clan warehouse
* Use the shout channel
Does this mean while you are red as well? Just curious, because I could see some exploiting here.
I am also wondering if these changes were made from suggestions from these message boards? I know that several of those things were suggested in a thread a while back.
* Trade/Drop Adena or items
* Create/Buy from a Private Store
* Create/Use a Private Workshop (General or Dwarven Manufacture Shop)
* Use a clan warehouse
* Use the shout channel
:) I definitely like the changes. I was hoping everyone else would too.
hahaha the friends I hang out with always claim that I exploit in games (warcraft 3 custom maps mostly not L2, so I dont want to hear it). I dont do it on purpose.... it just sort of happens. In one custom map I ended up with like 14 hero chars when I was only supposed to have 1.
Nice work on the new trial accounts NCSoft, glad to see, at least once, you learned. Yay!
Players using a trial account are not able to:
* Trade/Drop Adena or items
* Create/Buy from a Private Store
* Create/Use a Private Workshop (General or Dwarven Manufacture Shop)
* Use a clan warehouse
* Use the shout channel
But....Oh. So if someone is starting the game and using a trial account, like my friend, I can't help him with items? I suppose I could drop them on the ground for him to pick up, I guess, :/
Oh. So if someone is starting the game and using a trial account, like my friend, I can't help him with items? I suppose I could drop them on the ground for him to pick up, I guess, :/
A willing sacrifice, if you ask me. A minor inconvenience to stop the bronze army.
If someone really want to run around with a trial account red, let em.
That is sort of one side of the exploit (if you cant drop). How high of lvl do you think you could get in say 13 days? I bet you could get 40+. Go around and greif / pk everyone without the possiblility of dropping. On the 15th day you pay for 1 month and get all your stuff off that char.
Does this mean while you are red as well? Just curious, because I could see some exploiting here.
I am also wondering if these changes were made from suggestions from these message boards? I know that several of those things were suggested in a thread a while back.
And about the PK exploiting thing. I am pretty sure without outside help someone isn't going to get to 40+ nevertheless 52+ in 14 days. Esspecially if they want to spend some time PKing. I look at it like this, PKing is part of the game...the other things that trial accounts were used for are not.
Why would you worry about some noob that makes a pk character that can only last 14 days, who cares. The other effects this implementation have are so worth it!!!
I think this is finally one of the happiest posts that I have seen in the L2 community for a LONG LOOONNGG time! Good job NC.
And about the PK exploiting thing. I am pretty sure without outside help someone isn't going to get to 40+ nevertheless 52+ in 14 days.
In what way would they not be able to receive outside help?
The reason this "could" be a problem is that this person could pk every lowbie they see. Possibly pking the same one over and over and over again. The best part is that they can do it in top equipment without the possibility of dropping a single thing.
And about the PK exploiting thing. I am pretty sure without outside help someone isn't going to get to 40+ nevertheless 52+ in 14 days.
In what way would they not be able to receive outside help?
The reason this "could" be a problem is that this person could pk every lowbie they see. Possibly pking the same one over and over and over again. The best part is that they can do it in top equipment without the possibility of dropping a single thing.
so somoene is going to equip the lvl 52+ in top B and not be able to get the gear off the character?
Maybe they need to add another thing to this. After 5 pk's on a trial account, you can no longer attack people unless they are purple.
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they dont care if the character get banned caues they havent had to spend a penny on it. They need to add trade to this also if it isnt already turned off for them.
And about the PK exploiting thing. I am pretty sure without outside help someone isn't going to get to 40+ nevertheless 52+ in 14 days.
In what way would they not be able to receive outside help?
The reason this "could" be a problem is that this person could pk every lowbie they see. Possibly pking the same one over and over and over again. The best part is that they can do it in top equipment without the possibility of dropping a single thing.
so somoene is going to equip the lvl 52+ in top B and not be able to get the gear off the character?
Can you not convert a trial account into a playable account?
Maybe they need to add another thing to this. After 5 pk's on a trial account, you can no longer attack people unless they are purple.
That is a possibility, but I have seen people go red because their shot landed after the person stopped blinking. I would say that they just shouldnt be allowed to force attack at all.
Can you not convert a trial account into a playable account?
Ok, then I just don't understand why someone would go threw the trouble of getting a trail account, then buying a retail serial code, which are difficult to find and expensive if you buy the epic collection code of the internet so that they can pk someone.
Seriously, if I wanted to make a red, I would make an alt. Then I could transfer what I want, when I want, and it is just as good as a new acct. except that I don't have to spend all the needless money...
Sure I could drop gear. But it isn't worth the trouble, especially when the majority of the server is 70+ to go threw the trial account crap. Will it happen, oh I am sure. Is it going to get old, hell yes! And **** fast too!
These changes are like 98% good and 2% bad. Before trial accounts were basically the opposite...so I see it as an huge improvement.
Since they can't trade, drop, sell, buy, craft from private players... how could they possibly get Top Gear? It would only be what they can get from the townstores, and that isn't top grade gear. I mean, it also would mean they can't even buy D shots... It's actually very restrictive, and just gives them the pleasure of meeting people and getting a feel for the game and the grinding.
Since they can't trade, drop, sell, buy, craft from private players... how could they possibly get Top Gear? It would only be what they can get from the townstores, and that isn't top grade gear. I mean, it also would mean they can't even buy D shots... It's actually very restrictive, and just gives them the pleasure of meeting people and getting a feel for the game and the grinding.
Throw stuff on the ground with char 1 (retail)
Pick it up with char 2 (trial)
I am not saying the changes are bad. I think they are definitely a huge step in the right direction. I am simply trying to make this sort of thing visible to NCS. I thought of this after 2 min of hearing about it. How many other loop holes could there be by thinking longer?
A real noob probably isn't going to make much over 20 in 14 days, and you can get top NG by trading up in the shops and get stacks of SS doing quests.
You might have freaks that get a trial code just to PL it up like crazy but seriously... if you have plans and the capability of levelling to "52+" in 14 days, you're going to buy a code and not deal with the trial restrictions.
A real noob probably isn't going to make much over 20 in 14 days, and you can get top NG by trading up in the shops and get stacks of SS doing quests.
You might have freaks that get a trial code just to PL it up like crazy but seriously... if you have plans and the capability of levelling to "52+" in 14 days, you're going to buy a code and not deal with the trial restrictions.
You totally missed my point about the exploit thingy.
* Trade/Drop Adena or items
* Pick up more than 1000 adena at a time
* Create/Buy from a Private Store
* Create/Use a Private Workshop (General or Dwarven Manufacture Shop)
* Use a clan warehouse
* Use the shout channel
I see this almost as the same thing about the no dropping thing from augments.
Maybe it's just me, but before I remember people saying, "ZOMG there is going to be red pkers everywhere because now they can't drop their gear."
Truthfully, I really haven't seen an outburst in PKers. Could just be my server, could just be my luck. Or it could just be that people blow things way out of proportion because they think that most of humanity is ******ed and likes to do ******ed things like activate trail accounts to make a high level pker that has awesome gear within 14days to pwn all you n00bzz...
* Trade/Drop Adena or items
* Pick up more than 1000 adena at a time
* Create/Buy from a Private Store
* Create/Use a Private Workshop (General or Dwarven Manufacture Shop)
* Use a clan warehouse
* Use the shout channel
Fixed
Say the trailer (?) was in a party with someone else and that someone else picked up 1mil adena.. would it be split? THE TRAILER (? lol) didnt pick it up :p
I see this almost as the same thing about the no dropping thing from augments.
Maybe it's just me, but before I remember people saying, "ZOMG there is going to be red pkers everywhere because now they can't drop their gear."
Truthfully, I really haven't seen an outburst in PKers. Could just be my server, could just be my luck. Or it could just be that people blow things way out of proportion because they think that most of humanity is ******ed and likes to do ******ed things like activate trail accounts to make a high level pker that has awesome gear within 14days to pwn all you n00bzz...
A. Thats only if it is true that you cannot drop while red. This was my question to begin with.
B. The reason they wont do it is because they dont feel like having a chance to drop their armor or jewlery either. Sure the weapon is the most expensive, but its not everything.
Just disable a trial account's PVP ability (disable /forceattack). That way they CAN'T go red. Real newbies don't need to learn to PK in 2 weeks...
-Valdes
No. Let them use features of this game ... this game is promoted as free PVP, that wiould go against it.
Would you buy a car when you go to car seller to try some Lamborghini on test ride, but seller tells you "manual gear, full horsepower and handbrake is available to you only when you buy this car"? How would you try if this is what you want?
I don't really think they should disable more, especially joining clans. If anything a clan may be the only thing that would keep a new player playing.
They should be able to force attack. If they want to test out the pvp in the game, they should. If they want to PK they should. That is part of the game. I can't believe people are so paranoid about this.
The only thing, if not already implemented and not stated by NCsoft, that should be added to the restrictions is trade chat restrictions too. Trade chat is just about as good as shout channel, meaning it can be just as annoying.
These changes are great tho. I have heard so many people say they would try L2 if they had a trial. Now they are easily accessible. Hopefully this will draw more people in.
I hope this is a retroactive change, i.e., pre-existing trial accounts are also affected. There is going to be a LOT of adena, material, items that are "lost" and can then only be recovered by activating some of the trial accounts. LOL.
Nice work on the new trial accounts NCSoft, glad to see, at least once, you learned. Yay!
Players using a trial account are not able to:
* Trade/Drop Adena or items
* Create/Buy from a Private Store
* Create/Use a Private Workshop (General or Dwarven Manufacture Shop)
* Use a clan warehouse
* Use the shout channel or trade channel
Fixed trade channel can be used for same spamming as shout and hey if they cant trade anyways why do they need it ;)
Nice work on the new trial accounts NCSoft, glad to see, at least once, you learned. Yay!
Players using a trial account are not able to:
* Trade/Drop Adena or items
* Create/Buy from a Private Store
* Create/Use a Private Workshop (General or Dwarven Manufacture Shop)
* Use a clan warehouse
* Use the shout channel or trade channel
Fixed trade channel can be used for same spamming as shout and hey if they cant trade anyways why do they need it ;)
I'm checking on the trade channel question. I totally agree that it should also be restricted, since it could be used the same way shouts could. I'll get back to you all as soon as I know. :)
Since they can't trade, drop, sell, buy, craft from private players... how could they possibly get Top Gear? It would only be what they can get from the townstores, and that isn't top grade gear. I mean, it also would mean they can't even buy D shots... It's actually very restrictive, and just gives them the pleasure of meeting people and getting a feel for the game and the grinding.
Throw stuff on the ground with char 1 (retail)
Pick it up with char 2 (trial)
I am not saying the changes are bad. I think they are definitely a huge step in the right direction. I am simply trying to make this sort of thing visible to NCS. I thought of this after 2 min of hearing about it. How many other loop holes could there be by thinking longer?
Shut yer pie(HOLE). This is an excellent update. Your continued attempts to lessen the impact makes you out to be [Censored].Any further attempts to be (HOLE)ier than thou will result in more forum bashing. (HOLE)d your tounge or I will be forced to fill that (HOLE) by force. :) Have a nice day.
Since they can't trade, drop, sell, buy, craft from private players... how could they possibly get Top Gear? It would only be what they can get from the townstores, and that isn't top grade gear. I mean, it also would mean they can't even buy D shots... It's actually very restrictive, and just gives them the pleasure of meeting people and getting a feel for the game and the grinding.
Throw stuff on the ground with char 1 (retail)
Pick it up with char 2 (trial)
I am not saying the changes are bad. I think they are definitely a huge step in the right direction. I am simply trying to make this sort of thing visible to NCS. I thought of this after 2 min of hearing about it. How many other loop holes could there be by thinking longer?
Shut yer pie(HOLE). This is an excellent update. Your continued attempts to lessen the impact makes you out to be [Censored]. Any further attempts to be (HOLE)ier than thou will result in more forum bashing. (HOLE)d your tounge or I will be forced to fill that (HOLE) by force. :) Have a nice day.
So... we are supposed to all turn a blind eye to any possible exploits? Good thinking! Lets ignore the whole trade channel thing as well. You might live in the glorious land of "this fixes everything" but I dont. I am trying to be proactive about exploits rather than reactive.
1 "could" activate say 5-6 accounts and 3 box them on each computer, 1 could then level up by killing raid bosses and 1 could let only 1 character pick up loot.
I feel very good. I started playing on a trial account and joined my clan as a level 6 Human Mystic. I would have been really hampered if I could not recieve their gear and adena donations :p
Yeah. That really kinda sucks for the people that want to legitimately try this game, neutering what they can do.
An extra trial account was nice on the PTS when it's in full swing, having a Dwarven craft shop up while I played on my main account. What can you do, though.
You can drop things and a trial account can pick them up - but the trial account can not drop things back. So if you want to mass farm rep points, it costs you a D grade weapon and academy armor every time.
I mean regular trading without dropping stuff on the ground. Toons on the trial account wouldn't be able to put things into trade window but would be able to recieve.
Now I can see why the usual suspect in Giran (Gustin server), who makes different characters every now and then to adv adena selling, couldn't shout yesterday. Instead, he was moving around doing his job by using normal chat. lol
When are the new trials given out? My cousin wants to try the game, but I don't have a spare account for him nor do I have a spare serial number. The trail should be THE solution but I can't find anything!
I applaud the effort to stop the bronze army as you put it, but it impacts the legit players as well. I have a few friends at work that are just stuck on GuildWars. I keep trying to sell them on the idea of joining me here. They are unwilling to commit because they don't want to buy the game and pay $15 a month for something they may not like. Yeah I know that is just a little lame, but they are penny pinchers.
I keep telling them that when trial accounts become available I will help them get setup and give them a little money and some cheap gear to get a good feel for the game. That way they don't have to run around in cotton shirt and pants forever. As I understand it, with these accounts they are limited to buying from NPC shops. I doubt in the 14 days of the trial account they will be able to earn enough to equip themselves decently with the current drop rates and gear prices.
To me, this is not the answer. As I said, it limits what we as legit players can do to bring friends in the game. Bots/farmers may be a problem but maybe I'm just in the wrong areas because I never seem to get bothered by them. In the past couple weeks I have seen bots, not saying they are not there, but they just don't bother me. When they do/did come to close, PK time. Simple solution for me.
Does this trial account limitation also apply to the code that was included in my retail purchase of the game? "If you already own one of the games contained in this booklet, why not pass the code along to a friend so they can join you in-game?" Exact quote on the booklet with my trial code.
You can still provide them with equipment by dropping it and have them pick it up (at a strategically wise location). A bit clumsy, I know, but it's doable.
But if they then don't like the game you cant get the gear back, and if they were as far as D grade a few mill has just vanished :(
I was trying to figure a way of using the trial accounts to create academy chars. That way I could say level 5/6 at the same time using 1 char to pole and the others leeching. Each char would then have to buy D grade at least to do the second class change but then the gear would be gone when the account expired. I dont even think I could make them all into Warsmiths, crush the gear and then sell the crystals to a buy store at 1a...
But then again thats just an abuse of the trial accounts and not what they were designed for so I guess I shouldnt complain. :)
Well, if they come all the way to level 20 they can pretty much already decide if they want to sign up for a few months or not.
And Fireybint, your clannies aren't on 24/7, and I doubt that all of them are using all their sell slots at the same time. Using trial accounts for sell stores/academy, as Lana points out, is an exploit of the system, which should be stopped just as much as the bronze army.
An exploit of the system? Wow man, selling items is serious business! And I'm a cheater because I used trial accounts! You should get your priorities straight, imho, as there are plently of other exploits that are 100x as bad, as well as just as many game flaws that are 100x are stupid.
The more enchants sold = cheaper enchants and crystals for you as it is :o
Come back when you have acutally done a manor for a few months.
An exploit of the system? Wow man, selling items is serious business! And I'm a cheater because I used trial accounts! You should get your priorities straight, imho, as there are plently of other exploits that are 100x as bad, as well as just as many game flaws that are 100x are stupid.
The more enchants sold = cheaper enchants and crystals for you as it is :o
Come back when you have acutally done a manor for a few months.
No its not an exploit, but its not your RIGHT to use them as sell shops either. It was a privilege that was taken away. Who cares. If you want more sell slots, buy another account.
I think this system was implemented because NC was losing money. The bronze army would popup and use a lot of resources and bandwidth. In return NC gets nothing. Now if you someone wants to use those trial accounts for farming then then only way to get the mats and adena out is to pay the piper.
Yep, the closest I've come to doing a manor is helping people set up the stores. I know that there are many items to be sold, but the trial accounts are for new players, not for established clans to get a shortcut to infintie sellstores.
The amount of sell slots you can muster is supposed to present a limit - no matter whether you're a regular joe or a castle owner.
It's not an exploit in the sense that it should be bannable - but by the definition of the word, which means using something to your own advantage in a way that was not intended by the developers, it most certainly is an exploit.
I was looking forward to the next set of trial accounts because I was going to have about 10 sell shops to dump a lot of goods. Too bad I thought about it a bit too late.
If you knew more about this game I'm sure you wouldn't be concerned about how legitiment a sell store is and would rather be bringing up other topics. I can't believe you are and telling me that it is an exploit of the system (wow that is so terrible!)........
Who gave you the job of being the police anyway?
Selling castle items does more then just fill the caufers of clans it helps the lower level players, the ones you are talking about, with cheaper items as well. Maybe some day you will realize. ofc that would take someone who understand supply and demand which I don't think you would.
Now if they changed the castle system, which is absolutely terrible and outdated right now, I might agree with you.
And I'm sorry I'm not paying for another account to sell stuff.
If you knew more about this game I'm sure you wouldn't be concerned about how legitiment a sell store is and would rather be bringing up other topics. I can't believe you are and telling me that it is an exploit of the system (wow that is so terrible!)........
Who gave you the job of being the police anyway?
Selling castle items does more then just fill the caufers of clans it helps the lower level players, the ones you are talking about, with cheaper items as well. Maybe some day you will realize. ofc that would take someone who understand supply and demand which I don't think you would.
Now if they changed the castle system, which is absolutely terrible and outdated right now, I might agree with you.
And I'm sorry I'm not paying for another account to sell stuff.
Oh and WTS 800 EWD's. 400 EWC's. pst.
Lower your prices and they will all sell. Obviously you have your prices way to high for the supply you have. Lower the prices to CREATE more demand. I bet I could sell all of those in 1 hour. The problem is, you wouldnt like the price. That is how the market works though.
Honestly, quit whining. You obviously arent willing to put in the time to make the money. NCSoft does not owe you FREE trial accounts. Do you get ****** off when you cant have your 10th free sample of cheese in the supermarket?
I'll just make more QHP's and less enchants. One raid boss makes more than a castle.
And I'm not selling them so how is my price to high? Oh and the price of enchant wep c's went up about 450k on sieghardt since they implemented this :P I wonder why?
I'll just make more QHP's and less enchants. One raid boss makes more than a castle.
If you dont take the time to make the money then yes.
And I'm not selling them so how is my price to high? Oh and the price of enchant wep c's went up about 450k on sieghardt since they implemented this :P I wonder why?
Get your facts straight.
YOU said in your last post "WTS". Does that no longer mean "Want To Sell"? Does that not imply that you ARE selling them?
Your not selling weapon enchants has 0 effect on true noobs. Do you really think that true noobs are OEing their weapons?
I wasn't the one who brought up the lower level population. More OEing does = cheaper soulshots. I'm just saying in respsonce.
As for saying I'm posting saying it's horrible....I'm posting because people don't to have a grasp at reality and I find it quite amusing.
You said my price is too high. I said the price has gone up. And you said nothing..... You guys are just backtracking back and forth between arguements I'm getting lost. And no I'm not sitting in town to sell things on an account that can make more money doing something else so yes if you want to buy some they are just stockpiled.
Maybe we will see little less automated shops in Giran that resets their shop at regular intervals (standing up and sitting back down in less than a second with entire different items or added few more items to the shop since some items got sold and he had some free sell slots).
Many use illegal software for their shops because they are to lazy to check their shops every 2-4 hours and se if anything has been sold or bought.
I daylly report 5-10 shops for using 3rd party programs. And I HATE the private craft shops that takes away the only way for a WS to make adena...25a for s grade shots, if that dwarf is lucky he will make 10k adena per night.
A good price for the s grade soulshot craft would be 700a (before you say it's way to much, here is some math for you: 700a : 350 shots = 2a per shot).
Got little off topic, but I had to get it out when I saw all this ****** about the sell shops.
Well there's another point you bring up. Maybe if NC seems to enjoy fixing things and getting all the credit for it they would fix enchants so they stack (something that people have asked for for years) and all the problems would be solved.
The only reason they fixed this trial account thing was because it involved their bottom line (money). If there was a money issue involved in something like let's say enchants, they'd fix it, I guarantee!
I wasn't the one who brought up the lower level population. More OEing does = cheaper soulshots. I'm just saying in respsonce.
True, but if you really really wanted to help out the new people then you would sell your enchants for dirt cheap. I am guessing you aren't doing this. Since you aren't doing this, you are probably in it for the money not to help noobs.
As for saying I'm posting saying it's horrible....I'm posting because people don't to have a grasp at reality and I find it quite amusing.
If you are referring to the exploit thing, then I agree with you. It isn't an exploit. It also isn't the purpose of having trial accounts.
You said my price is too high. I said the price has gone up. And you said nothing..... You guys are just backtracking back and forth between arguements I'm getting lost.
You implied that you were selling them but didn't have an account to sell them on. I said your price was too high if you cant get rid of them all. You said that you werent selling them. If you arent selling them, then why should I respond. Problem solved.. you don't need an account because you ARE NOT selling them.
And no I'm not sitting in town to sell things on an account that can make more money doing something else so yes if you want to buy some they are just stockpiled. Actually someone messaged me and bought quite a few :P
You know that you don't need to set up a shop to sell them right? Just a thought, ask a hero to shout for you. Sell them while you do other things. win win.
I did that yesterday and ended up having to port everywhere to sell 3 or 4 at a time. Not really worth it, imho.
I'm really just more concerned that NC seems to see fit to fix things that no one ever thinks needs fixed and ignores all the rest. Like i said in the last post, if it involves their bottom line it gets fixed asap.
I did that yesterday and ended up having to port everywhere to sell 3 or 4 at a time. Not really worth it, imho.
use the race track.
I'm really just more concerned that NC seems to see fit to fix things that no one ever thinks needs fixed and ignores all the rest. Like i said in the last post, if it involves their bottom line it gets fixed asap.
Actually this was a very needed change. I saw a huge diffence in the number of bronze army recruits. I also havent seen any adena selling site shouts.
How does this help everyone?
1) less trial account bots = less lag.
2) less trial account bots = less noobs leaving because of the bronze army.
3) less trial account sellers = less shouts = less lag.
I was amazed the other day. I was on TI messing around on a char and saw 15+ actual players and not a single bot.
Hm. Nope, I don't have an unlimited amount of time on my hands. I use the same 24 hours in the day that you do. Fill that with sleep, job hunting, Lineage, family time, and other games, and I wager that I still don't have a problem selling things.
I did that yesterday and ended up having to port everywhere to sell 3 or 4 at a time. Not really worth it, imho.
use the race track.
I'm really just more concerned that NC seems to see fit to fix things that no one ever thinks needs fixed and ignores all the rest. Like i said in the last post, if it involves their bottom line it gets fixed asap.
Actually this was a very needed change. I saw a huge diffence in the number of bronze army recruits. I also havent seen any adena selling site shouts.
How does this help everyone?
1) less trial account bots = less lag.
2) less trial account bots = less noobs leaving because of the bronze army.
3) less trial account sellers = less shouts = less lag.
I was amazed the other day. I was on TI messing around on a char and saw 15+ actual players and not a single bot.
Cool. I remember when Gludio has 800 people running around and there wasn't much lag. All the servers are usually at light capacity anyway.
Hm. Nope, I don't have an unlimited amount of time on my hands. I use the same 24 hours in the day that you do. Fill that with sleep, job hunting, Lineage, family time, and other games, and I wager that I still don't have a problem selling things.
Well, if they come all the way to level 20 they can pretty much already decide if they want to sign up for a few months or not.
And Fireybint , your clannies aren't on 24/7, and I doubt that all of them are using all their sell slots at the same time. Using trial accounts for sell stores/academy, as Lana points out, is an exploit of the system, which should be stopped just as much as the bronze army.
I sell things based on shouts, on having heroes shout for me, on advertising my sales on this forum and L2Marketplace (still waiting for that one to take off).
Some days I sell while I hunt (and only using one account! *gasp*), other days I just set up shop in town while I clean house or go out looking for a job.
Selling is just another form of the grind, just with different goals. You can do it at the same time as your XP grind (just that both will suffer a little) or you can focus on it.
I sell things based on shouts, on having heroes shout for me, on advertising my sales on this forum and L2Marketplace (still waiting for that one to take off).
Some days I sell while I hunt (and only using one account! *gasp*), other days I just set up shop in town while I clean house or go out looking for a job.
Selling is just another form of the grind, just with different goals. You can do it at the same time as your XP grind (just that both will suffer a little) or you can focus on it.
All in all, doesn't seem that hard.
Ahhh so I guess you use the "auto sell stores" then :P
Otherwise I don't see how you would sell a couple thousand enchants per week "going out finding a job".
FireBird even if the no Free accounts give you a hassle, this update to the accounts was a must. And I am sure that you realise this.
Again. Read some of my other posts. People ignore those and just go straight to castle ones because they seem to want to find something to argue about.
I set up my shop when I being my day, and if I'm at home I check it and refresh it if need be. If I'm out looking for a job, I incorporate a trip by the house (usually to print out a few resumes to go with the applications I've picked up) and refresh my shop then.
Just because you can't do it, assume no one else can, right?
I set up my shop when I being my day, and if I'm at home I check it and refresh it if need be. If I'm out looking for a job, I incorporate a trip by the house (usually to print out a few resumes to go with the applications I've picked up) and refresh my shop then.
Just because you can't do it, assume no one else can, right?
Well I'd be impressed if you have the time to sell a couple thousand a week doing that.
Again people seem to care more about starting an arguement about castles (something most have never done) rather then looking at the real point I'm making.
I've not said a **** thing about castles, now have I? The point I see you making is "I can't sell without a second account! And only a freebie account! Gimme gimme gimme!"
Clarify, perhaps, for those of us who cannot see past the greed?
I set up my shop when I being my day, and if I'm at home I check it and refresh it if need be. If I'm out looking for a job, I incorporate a trip by the house (usually to print out a few resumes to go with the applications I've picked up) and refresh my shop then.
Just because you can't do it, assume no one else can, right?
Well I'd be impressed if you have the time to sell a couple thousand a week doing that.
Again people seem to care more about starting an arguement about castles (something most have never done) rather then looking at the real point I'm making.
As was mentioned before, get your clan mates to sell with you. TADA... you just got more sellers.
FireBird even if the no Free accounts give you a hassle, this update to the accounts was a must. And I am sure that you realise this.
Again. Read some of my other posts. People ignore those and just go straight to castle ones because they seem to want to find something to argue about.
I've not said a **** thing about castles, now have I? The point I see you making is "I can't sell without a second account! And only a freebie account! Gimme gimme gimme!"
Clarify, perhaps, for those of us who cannot see past the greed?
You obviously skipped over the 3 posts, because you wanted to start an arguement, about NC only being motivated to fix something that would be like number 50 on a list of things that really need fixing or improvements.
you say this:
" Pretty dumb, if you ask me.
LF accounts to sell castle items on, kkthx."
What am I missing in that post?
That there are more important things around to waste time on? lol?
I sell things based on shouts, on having heroes shout for me, on advertising my sales on this forum and L2Marketplace (still waiting for that one to take off).
Some days I sell while I hunt (and only using one account! *gasp*), other days I just set up shop in town while I clean house or go out looking for a job.
Selling is just another form of the grind, just with different goals. You can do it at the same time as your XP grind (just that both will suffer a little) or you can focus on it.
All in all, doesn't seem that hard.
Ahhh so I guess you use the "auto sell stores" then :P
Otherwise I don't see how you would sell a couple thousand enchants per week "going out finding a job".
You can exp while selling stuff even if the toons are on the same account. you just need to relog now and then to sell the items to anyone that might be interested. The race track + hero shout is a great combination.
I think he put it very well. You have to sacrifice little of your exp time to make adena, you can't have everything you want in this world.
No, I didn't say anything about their motivations. I said that I had no problem selling things using hero shout and / or regular shout combined with town shops / track shops / running to the track to sell something when I got a PM.
So... "gimme gimme gimme!" appears to be the order of the day so far.
I sell things based on shouts, on having heroes shout for me, on advertising my sales on this forum and L2Marketplace (still waiting for that one to take off).
Some days I sell while I hunt (and only using one account! *gasp*), other days I just set up shop in town while I clean house or go out looking for a job.
Selling is just another form of the grind, just with different goals. You can do it at the same time as your XP grind (just that both will suffer a little) or you can focus on it.
All in all, doesn't seem that hard.
Ahhh so I guess you use the "auto sell stores" then :P
Otherwise I don't see how you would sell a couple thousand enchants per week "going out finding a job".
You can exp while selling stuff even if the toons are on the same account. you just need to relog now and then to sell the items to anyone that might be interested. The race track + hero shout is a great combination.
I think he put it very well. You have to sacrifice little of your exp time to make adena, you can't have everything you want in this world.
Again, have you done that?
And I already have everything I want in this game. It's not like I'd be doing it for myself. One of my points was that the castles are flawed (going on 3 years now of no changes minus making it easier to click to make things) and trial accounts helped fix those flaws. So now there are flaws and no fixes. Understand my point?
I sell things based on shouts, on having heroes shout for me, on advertising my sales on this forum and L2Marketplace (still waiting for that one to take off).
Some days I sell while I hunt (and only using one account! *gasp*), other days I just set up shop in town while I clean house or go out looking for a job.
Selling is just another form of the grind, just with different goals. You can do it at the same time as your XP grind (just that both will suffer a little) or you can focus on it.
All in all, doesn't seem that hard.
Ahhh so I guess you use the "auto sell stores" then :P
Otherwise I don't see how you would sell a couple thousand enchants per week "going out finding a job".
You can exp while selling stuff even if the toons are on the same account. you just need to relog now and then to sell the items to anyone that might be interested. The race track + hero shout is a great combination.
I think he put it very well. You have to sacrifice little of your exp time to make adena, you can't have everything you want in this world.
Again, have you done that?
And I already have everything I want in this game. It's not like I'd be doing it for myself. One of my points was that the castles are flawed (going on 3 years now of no changes minus making it easier to click to make things) and trial accounts helped fix those flaws. So now there are flaws and no fixes. Understand my point?
I have done it few times. It takes few days to get used to and it works best if you are out soloing (playing a WS = allot of soloing).
I sell things based on shouts, on having heroes shout for me, on advertising my sales on this forum and L2Marketplace (still waiting for that one to take off).
Some days I sell while I hunt (and only using one account! *gasp*), other days I just set up shop in town while I clean house or go out looking for a job.
Selling is just another form of the grind, just with different goals. You can do it at the same time as your XP grind (just that both will suffer a little) or you can focus on it.
All in all, doesn't seem that hard.
Ahhh so I guess you use the "auto sell stores" then :P
Otherwise I don't see how you would sell a couple thousand enchants per week "going out finding a job".
You can exp while selling stuff even if the toons are on the same account. you just need to relog now and then to sell the items to anyone that might be interested. The race track + hero shout is a great combination.
I think he put it very well. You have to sacrifice little of your exp time to make adena, you can't have everything you want in this world.
Again, have you done that?
And I already have everything I want in this game. It's not like I'd be doing it for myself. One of my points was that the castles are flawed (going on 3 years now of no changes minus making it easier to click to make things) and trial accounts helped fix those flaws. So now there are flaws and no fixes. Understand my point?
If you dont need anything then why are you selling at all? Give the job to new recruits. Let them sell the stuff and get the benefits from it. There are millions of ways you could go out and xp while someone else sells. I think you are stuck on doing it yourself. In this game, doing it yourself is not really an option.
I understand what you are saying Firebird and I do think that the castles ownership need a rewamp, but Bot users using the free trial codes outweigh that.
And this new free trial is a good thing as you understand becuse you probebly played for a long time as you are a castle owner.
EDIT: or just sell em with help of other clan members.