So a week ago I made a thread about awsome events.

And it disapeared. But not before the community lady made an interesting comment about future events and how fun they would be (BUT THEY ARE A SECRET TEE HEE), well it looks like the NCNA Lineage 1 staff just one upped them again.
http://www.lineageone.com/en/node/4498

I KNOW we have more subscribers than lineage 1. WE ALWAYS HAVE. Why do they get so much more staff support? Event support? FORUM SUPPORT!?

I hope this thread isn't deleted. The thread about server transfers for another nc soft game is still going strong, or does this hit too close to home?

I'd love (and I am sure many other players would too) it if we had a event calandar like this. I am sure you guys will be so busy during the next irl event, but could you at least throw the people that would rather play the game a bone?

Because those are events they have been doing for a while now. The developers working on the Lineage 2 project (who are mostly different from the ones working on the Lineage 1 project) decide what goes in and what does not.

While I would enjoy seeing things like this, but you also have to remember that the NA event team takes their orders from NCKr. Meaning they need approval before they can run an event. And they can only work with what they are given, so they cannot simply add arbitrary code for, say, the morphing event that L1 has.

Double XP days? Not without approval.

I'd love (and I am sure many other players would too) it if we had a event calandar like this. I am sure you guys will be so busy during the next irl event, but could you at least throw the people that would rather play the game a bone?

this is hitting below the belt. let me return the favour.

the GMs have better things to worry about than your sorry excuse for a toon's exp. grind more.

and if you would rather play the game than fill your fridge (and in turn your belly) you need to rethink your existance.

you want double exp go hunt a Cata.

I'd love (and I am sure many other players would too) it if we had a event calandar like this. I am sure you guys will be so busy during the next irl event, but could you at least throw the people that would rather play the game a bone?

this is hitting below the belt. let me return the favour.

the GMs have better things to worry about than your sorry excuse for a toon's exp. grind more.

and if you would rather play the game than fill your fridge (and in turn your belly) you need to rethink your existance.

you want double exp go hunt a Cata.



It was a fair shot.

There is info about upcomeing meet and greets well in advance. We get the patch notes for updates after the update has been released. Look at it this way... at this point NCsoft NA has not even told the community that they will be transfering CT1 to NA. We assume they will, but NCsoft hasn't even anounced it yet.

Once in a while it would be nice if the community was given updates on what was going on.

Meaning they need approval before they can run an event.

Source on this?

No source that I can quote. I seem to recall it being said somewhere, but they say that the memory is the first thing to go, so take it with a grain of salt.

I don't remember ever hearing or reading this anywhere.

Afaik, the limitation they have on events is that they can only use event items and code that korea has already made. I am not aware of them needing permission every time they want to do one.

the GMs have better things to worry about than your sorry excuse for a toon's exp. grind more.

and if you would rather play the game than fill your fridge (and in turn your belly) you need to rethink your existance.

Please clarify this statement. I have no idea what you are trying to say.

you want double exp go hunt a Cata.

Here's one for you :

But of course, only in L2 would you have anyone complain about getting double XP. This is a game filled with truly twisted souls. :)

:D

The thing about double exp is ... either you do it for so long that it makes a real difference and those who don't get to play are put at a severe disadvantage.

... or you do it for so short that afterwards everyone complains that it was far too short. ;p That's a big ol can of worms right there. Although if it was the latter, I honestly wouldn't mind. :p

re: early announcements... I would love them. But wouldn't that neccessiate that our community stops [censored] every time something that was mentioned doesn't roll around first? See: PTS. See: Server transfers. How long has it been since that newsletter?

the thread is about haveing an event calendar. Something to keep the community informed about what is comeing up. The OP never even mentioned double xp. It was mentioned on the linke, but the linke was to show the -_-ing calendar.

Seriously reading comprehension ftl. Do you people even read the original post or just start talking about random bs?

And it disapeared. But not before the community lady made an interesting comment about future events and how fun they would be (BUT THEY ARE A SECRET TEE HEE), well it looks like the NCNA Lineage 1 staff just one upped them again.
http://www.lineageone.com/en/node/4498

I KNOW we have more subscribers than lineage 1. WE ALWAYS HAVE. Why do they get so much more staff support? Event support? FORUM SUPPORT!?

I hope this thread isn't deleted. The thread about server transfers for another nc soft game is still going strong, or does this hit too close to home?

I'd love (and I am sure many other players would too) it if we had a event calandar like this. I am sure you guys will be so busy during the next irl event, but could you at least throw the people that would rather play the game a bone?

That irl comment was really unnecessary and, yes, not constructive in any way shape or form, (throwing jabs, insults, and baiting is not a good way to make yourself heard) but I'll answer your question nonetheless.

I'm pushing for an event calendar, actually. I suggested it a few weeks ago. There's been some resistance to the idea because nothing is worse than announcing an event, complete with dates, then being faced with a delay. I'm trying to find a happy medium between letting everyone know what's coming (I really, really want to), but not nailing down a date until the team is comfortable with a date they feel they can commit to.

I'm sorry if my attempts to say something about the upcoming events came across as me trying to be secretive. That certainly wasn't the case, and I thought it a better alternative than remaining silent. The next event will be "officially" announced in the next newsletter, which is being sent out early next week. We received feedback that players wanted the newsletter to preview new things, rather than recapping what already happened (understandably so!), so I'm striving to meet that request. :)

As far as upcoming event fun-factor is concerned, I'm always little reluctant to express how fun I think upcoming events will be. I realize all too well that what I think is fun may not be was someone else thinks is fun. ^^;

Just wanted to say Alyra.
A job well done. Most of the people just wanna know that there is someone out there listening to them, and actually try to do something about the situations :)
You do just that. Good stuff.

That irl comment was really unnecessary and, yes, not constructive in any way shape or form, (throwing jabs, insults, and baiting is not a good way to make yourself heard) but I'll answer your question nonetheless.

It was not meant to be taken that way. Time after time (at least with the old community coordinators) the excuse would be used that a lack of events would be due to the staff working on something else (like a chronical update, or in this case, everyone being at the meet and greet). I say excuse because I do not see how-single-person at the OFFICE would be working on an update which is essentially a packaged deal from nckorea that gets applied to the servers which are not even in the same building >_>

Also, a lack of events for a month+ would be accredited to a chronical update simply being planned to be on test server. It would not be a very far stretch of the imagination for someone like the previous community coordinator to say that the next event is the meet and greet, and how they will be swamped before and after the meet and greet, then a bunch of forum goers would jump on the thread and tell them to have fun irl and that the other posters protesting should basically shut up and quit the game...

Sorry if I seem old and cynical, I am =_=
How much work does it take to flip a flag to activate something like 2x exp for a weekend? The code must be there, since I doubt the dev team takes the time to manually edit every single monster value for a multiplication of x amount of exp for every single monster when they do 10x exp on the pts.

The next event will be "officially" announced in the next newsletter, which is being sent out early next week.

But the previous news letter hinted at a hair accessory event this month, the next event being officially announced in the next news letter implies that the next event will not be until well through next month.

I'm pushing for an event calendar, actually. I suggested it a few weeks ago. There's been some resistance to the idea because nothing is worse than announcing an event, complete with dates, then being faced with a delay.

Fair enough. You certainly are more encouraging than previous community coordinators, however that only goes so far. I can understand not wanting to put out a release date for something like c7 this early, but I am having a very hard time envisioning something like the firework event getting delayed.

Perhaps I have been too hard on you, I am sorry, but I still think the rest of your coworkers could do a better job at whatever it is they are suppose to be doing. For instance, two weeks ago we had a patch, and you said that the patch team said there were no patch notes. This week there wasn't a patch but now we have patch notes? There are some serious communication errors there.

Before the next person tells me to love it or leave, I do love it. I love the game. The company running it has constantly let us down though. If I had a korean ssn I'd be playing the Korean servers with a 500ms ping in a heart beat...

As far as upcoming event fun-factor is concerned, I'm always little reluctant to express how fun I think upcoming events will be. I realize all too well that what I think is fun may not be was someone else thinks is fun. ^^;

I give all of you props for trying in the face of the typical L2 player.
If you somehow incorporated every single suggestion from players into a single 'perfect' event---1/2 of the people would find something to complain about and the other 1/2 would post how "stupid" that event was (well, not EXACLY 50/50--a few would post complaints about bots).

I'll toss in my 2 cents since I'm writing anyway. I don't care for the events at all. I realize they serve a couple of purposes but they aren't even a small part of why I log on. I'd like to ignore them--but it turns out to be impossible to that in most cases.

From my standpoint you could remove some stress in developer's lives and simply announce there will never be another event. "Due to INCESSENT complaints and chronic disastisfaction, NCSoft has suspended all events for all time."

Sort of kill two birds with one stone! You'd eliminate all 'event suggestion posts' AND those of us who actually want to play the game wouldn't have to deal with 50 billion pieces of fireworks laying around (lmao--there! one more complaint about events from me! haha).

...see, told ya all us L2 players were impossible to please :)

I'm clearly a minority of about 1--but I really don't want events, I don't want new chronicles, I don't want new features, I don't want significant changes. I just want my character on my server and to be able to log-in every day so I can play the CURRENT game--which i've been saying since the end of C2 when I began playing.

Per the newsletter feedback I received about a month ago, I've shifted gears a bit and plan to have it sent out about a week earlier than it used to be (instead of after the fact). My goal is that the newsletter will offer a peek at what the next three or four weeks will offer.

You do just that. Good stuff.

Oh no she does much better than that !
She's actually pushing for things to change, and not only watching the train go by !
That's excellent, and i really hope things will change in Alyra's direction, cos everything she mentionned so far was just great :)

For instance, two weeks ago we had a patch, and you said that the patch team said there were no patch notes. This week there wasn't a patch but now we have patch notes? There are some serious communication errors there.

Usually, if there are no specific patch notes, it's just little insignificant text changes or the removal of an event. If anything game-changing goes in during a patch, we make an announcement (within reason, exploit stops aren't divulged for obvious reasons). When I saw the community asking why there were no patch notes (because we don't usually have patch notes for the little fixes), I listened and in turn posted what I did. It was something at least, even if it didn't really change much or result in a "patch." :) In the future, I'll endeavor to post something about what we've done during our Tuesday maintenance period.

I'm pushing for an event calendar, actually. I suggested it a few weeks ago. There's been some resistance to the idea because nothing is worse than announcing an event, complete with dates, then being faced with a delay.

I think that for a lot of the userbase, if an actual timeline can't be provided, a guideline would be a fair substitute.
With the understanding of concrete dates and the deadlines they impose, I think any sort of assurance that "we want to make this specific event happen in this expanse of time somewhere" would go a long way. As the event draws nearer, details and dates become more finalized. It's not as if anyone who reads a Lineage 2 forum isn't aware of the events run in Korea, anyway. So given the fact that localization puts us at maybe six months behind, even a vague guideline that takes those events that could work over here and says "we're committed to doing this and this and we like this and don't you think I look good in this hat" would ease fear and doubt. Communication for the win. :D

But I don't work in the industry, so maybe I don't understand the inherent flaws with that.

I think that for a lot of the userbase, if an actual timeline can't be provided, a guideline would be a fair substitute. With the understanding of concrete dates and the deadlines they impose, I think any sort of assurance that "we want to make this specific event happen in this expanse of time somewhere" would go a long way. As the event draws nearer, details and dates become more finalized.

That's the general premise behind what I'm asking for. :)

I think that for a lot of the userbase, if an actual timeline can't be provided, a guideline would be a fair substitute. With the understanding of concrete dates and the deadlines they impose, I think any sort of assurance that "we want to make this specific event happen in this expanse of time somewhere" would go a long way. As the event draws nearer, details and dates become more finalized.

That's the general premise behind what I'm asking for. :)



Oh, whoopsie! :) Sorry about that.
Well then, I can definitely get behind it. I can get behind it and push. Like I said, there's an awareness generated by scouring Korean sites and sharing it with the other L2 communities, but the assurance given that you've seen how these can work for us and that you all have a plan helps a lot. The players know you listen.
If I know a double xp event is coming in four months, it becomes tangible. I'm sure as hell going to make certain I remember when that is and be online to take advantage. If I could help you pitch this to the people who take these things into consideration, I would.

And I know the resources probably don't exist for this, but if you guys want to offer similar rewards through different means and make a truly unique event, that's awesome too. :cool:

umm by the way that is not an offical linage1 server you posted about just for your info the offical lineage website is lineage.com not lineageone.com that is a private server.

oops my bad just a fan site not a private server.

oops my bad just a fan site not a private server.

It was posted by Fracas. Fracas is the community coordinator of the official lineage 1 servers in north america/europe. It was linked by him in the offical forums. see? (http://boards.lineage.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=653652&an=0&page=0#Post6 53652)

Per the newsletter feedback I received about a month ago, I've shifted gears a bit and plan to have it sent out about a week earlier than it used to be (instead of after the fact). My goal is that the newsletter will offer a peek at what the next three or four weeks will offer.

Nice.

I get sick of people who complain endlessly about the same stuff over and over so I'm just going to put this in.

Be calm and patient, New events and updates and such are supposed to happened over time not one after the other. And if your a person who doesn't like event's or patches or updates of anykind go buy yourself a small little game where you can play by youself without orrying about someone changing anything in the game.

Also stop bugging the GM's so much about upcoming stuff and stuff that you think they aren't working on. They staff isn't up there drinking coffee and laughing at every noob who posts a dumb complaint.

The most pressing complaint I've heard/seen are aboutb botters. There are so many ways to deal with bots. FOr me I either kill them, train them, or get a healer/buffer and overpower their mobs until they can't handle it and die. Just because you go into the catacombs and see a bot group in almost every room, go in and take it! (better hpe thats not real palyers or your in trouble soon after) RUn around and grab as many mobs you can handle on you and run into their room chances are they don't have a little file in their program that says, "when x amount of killable type npcs are in a x by x area momentarily stop actions."

Now even though this will be up, I'll probably come back later and see another multitude of complaints from the crybabys who want everything their way. But if you have the slightest bit of maturity in you, grow up please.

P.S. Great Jog Alyra for being the most actice and nicest CM I've seen here :) *thumbs up*

I get sick of people who complain endlessly about the same stuff over and over so I'm just going to put this in.

And we are sick of people who complain about complainers. It does not move the conversation forward and nearly always leads to the thread getting locked.

Be calm and patient

I stopped being patient a year ago after dealing with bots for 2 years prior. I have been reasonably calm all things considered. Responding to your kind of post would drive a weaker man to drink.

New events and updates and such are supposed to happened over time not one after the other.

What kind of mixed up fallacy is that?

And if your a person who doesn't like event's or patches or updates of anykind go buy yourself a small little game where you can play by youself without orrying about someone changing anything in the game.

Alright now you are just obviously trolling.

Also stop bugging the GM's so much about upcoming stuff and stuff that you think they aren't working on. They staff isn't up there drinking coffee and laughing at every noob who posts a dumb complaint.

Are you drunk?

The most pressing complaint I've heard/seen are aboutb botters. There are so many ways to deal with bots. FOr me I either kill them, train them, or get a healer/buffer and overpower their mobs until they can't handle it and die. Just because you go into the catacombs and see a bot group in almost every room, go in and take it! (better hpe thats not real palyers or your in trouble soon after) RUn around and grab as many mobs you can handle on you and run into their room chances are they don't have a little file in their program that says, "when x amount of killable type npcs are in a x by x area momentarily stop actions."

Stop it, you are killing me.
No, (http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/3820/shot00107mf0.jpg)
Seriously. (http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/2374/shot00110jl4.jpg) Stop it. (http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/2295/shot00113qp2.jpg)

I know how to handle bots. The gms on the other hand, do not. These bots are 78+, hunting level 80 monsters. I have been reporting them for a month straight. But apparently the gm team has found reasonable doubt... or does appropriate action include something other than a ban? Perhaps a light slap on the wrist?

It is so bad in some areas. You see that last screen shot? That is another 9 man group about to res the one I just killed. There is only so much a player, or a group of players, can do. Very few of those limited solutions work again because the bot owners take precautionary measures against them. I sure as hell am not going to take 14+ pks to wipe out that group just to have another group controlled by the first groups owner to come and kill me while I am trying to burn off 50k+ karma. If I didn't have a subclass it would be impossible to even do a sin eater since summons and sin eaters can not be out at the same time... and my skill set without a summon is the same a level 35 wizards.

Now even though this will be up, I'll probably come back later and see another multitude of complaints from the crybabys who want everything their way. But if you have the slightest bit of maturity in you, grow up please.

Maturity has very little to do with getting what you paid for. The end user agreement is a binding contract that goes both ways. Both ways. Do you understand this concept? We do our part by paying our fee and playing nicely, NCSOFT is suppose to do their part whether it is by providing service to keep us entertained, or by making sure blatant tos/eula violators are removed from the game so they do not effect the enjoyment of rule abiding citizens. Name calling certainly is not going to shake my resolve in this situation so when you do come back to this thread, leave the 'crybaby' and 'immaturity' fallacies at the door. It is almost as bad as trying to play the race card.

I think Alyra's hands are tied as far as what she can do and suggest guys, shes our CM and can only pass on what we want or ask for, dosn't mean we will get it or in time, the management from what ive seen at ncsoft regarding L2 don't seem to care for us in the terms of events as much as they do for COH or other brands in the ncsoft range, on that note, Alyra does so shes passing it on as best as she can, shes still new so its obvious that in a organisation that big that her suggestions won't always stick straight away but give it a couple months and she will have them around her little finger!

Do not doubt the Kais ability to kill bots.

I hear you Katts, people wonder why I don't report bots anymore. "But But they do get banned!" Not when they're making noble. : /

I think Alyra's hands are tied as far as what she can do and suggest guys, shes our CM and can only pass on what we want or ask for, dosn't mean we will get it or in time, the management from what ive seen at ncsoft regarding L2 don't seem to care for us in the terms of events as much as they do for COH or other brands in the ncsoft range, on that note, Alyra does so shes passing it on as best as she can, shes still new so its obvious that in a organisation that big that her suggestions won't always stick straight away but give it a couple months and she will have them around her little finger!

I hope that with Alyra being new, that corporate NC Soft will actually listen to her when she brings issues to them. On the other hand, when is the last time we as paying customers of NA and Europe have gotten good, honest feedback about development decisions or any dev response on why certain imbalances remain in the game year after year?

And once again, if you don't think you have the right to ask questions, read my signature.