yeah that is exactly what I have. I figured I am a huge aoe fan, it is only fitting to make sure I can always have the prefect aoe group :)
Bishop/wcer/warlord/sws/ol ..... every other class is just a bonus :)
I just laugh at people that think OLs are getting a huge nerf with buff reduction..... when people start viewing them as a dd mages. They will realize the buffing is a minor role for them.
This is were you are wrong, from what I read an OL nuke cost about 180mp per shot and damage is only about 60% that compared to a true mage so they are by far a DD class. You will be out of mp before you kill anything in PVP.
They actually can make good melee DD's with careful planning.
You are correct about the nuke though it went from 136 mp at highest level to 177 mp. I reduced the cost of mine with +7 to cost, divine lore and passive clarity on my arcana mace
and got it to around 130 mp per nuke...
..with all the CP pot and QHP spamming it's impossible to kill even the weakest of classes without running out of MP. I used to be able to kill 2-3 people before I was out of mana.
Not really. No need to dream about being "Pwnzorich" (got to love those internet acronims...). I'd rather be NEEDED again. And I mean it like: "needed before I get leeched/power leveled by my clan/ally to 79 to be any good for the ally".
OK, I may be overacting a little bit as I have a great clan and ally (one shout and I get invites going and I'm just 68) but hell... early in my "life" I knew I can go and gank a griefer who attacks my lower lever clanmates and kill him. Now I can go and blind him to death with my shining +10 Augmented CoN with Focus - because I can kill someone only if he forgot his CP pots (and even if that is the case, orc mystics are as fast as a limp turtle and the target runs away).
"You can seal them! Root 'em! Winter 'em! Suspention 'em! Silence 'em!". And then what? Wait as they grow old and eventually die?
OMG... club of nature with... FOCUS?? What was I thinking... It's ACUMEN of course.
Lifesong: "80 mana" is not the answer. It is just not an option at the current CP pot spam. 250 in like... under 1s? Drain is 2-3s cast time or so = 500 to 750 CP healed by the time I get the second cast. And given that the orc is as slow as a creature can get everyone in their right mind can kite us. Don't forget we have low m.atk too.
But above all that I DON'T want to be another "one skill-clicky" class with drain being the only thing I can do.
We have seals. We have AoE DoTs. We have heals (both HP and CP). We have buffs. We have sleep (unnerfed!). We have drain. We have fear.
What do we USE? Drain. Fear and sleep are ok - but afair fear and sleep are only 600 range and rarely land (for me) on buffed target (Mental shield for the masses I guess...).
yeah i agree szaman... cp pots are completely stupid.
the reason ol's were a one skill class before is that everything else sucked. the drain was the only effective dd skill for them. they have horrible matk like you said so their seals rarely if ever land on buffed up and jeweled char at similar lvl range, and the dot on the aoe's they have is PATHETIC. the heal/cp is nice if you're only with clan/ally, but soon it will be just clan. sleep is alright as well.
the only way to stand a 'good'chance (on par with being an unbuffed mage) on landing a debuff on someone is nm(ha)/dc, mage weapon, acu/zerk/emp/powater
Lifesong: You keep forgeting one vital thing. The seals range nerf.
Try is Yourself: Go to arena and ask few people to stand around You in a loose circle, let each person stand in different distance from You.
Now fire some seals and see just HOW stupid it is to even think about this... AoE? More: A(-liiiiitle-more-then-meele)-o-E. Guess it CAN work within a tight space, but in open PvP or even PvE (yes, some people do that too) You need to really break a sweat to get enemies/mobs so close together as to make it worthy of using it in the first place. Or get lucky.
yes i do keep forgetting! and for that i apologize cause i have an ol!
i have never seen group pvp where people all condense into a small little area and let a slow slow orc mage run up and seal them all. haha far from it! people are running everywhere and the ol is huffing and puffing far behind trying to keep up....
If you're the OL in this ensamble - well, guess what? You're just lucky.
"Pr0 playas" would just dich you and get BD/SwS instead.
Majority of players want to optimize their grind, leaving all that is not needed out of the party. And yes. That means OLs.
I really hope you can keep this party for a long time.
I am sad about all the changes that have been made and the ones that are coming to the Overlord. The MP cost is way too high to waste on AOE spells during PVP. I engage in a lot of PVP and sieges and the biggest thing I do is CP heal. If things are going well I may throw off one Silence or Suspension but usually I just focus on CP.
One thing I love is our sleep. I have saved many lives in parties because of my ability to sleep things. I've even saved a life or two in PVP by sleeping someone.
Boss jewels and CP pots have still largely made me useless and it's sad.
Taking away the Ally buffs/heals sucks in my opinion. I know the idea is to encourage more OL's but I think NCSOft is discouraging them. It's pretty special to be able to buff over 200 people. Given that we have CP pots, boss jewels etc - everyone will just wanna be a WC from now on and I can't say I blame them.
One thing about the speed - I stopped using Majestic even though I loved the MP boost and stun resistance and went to Dark Crystal for the running speed. Now I can at least keep up when my clan is engaging in sieges or PVP.
OL seals aren't worth bothering to use in pvp because of the many reasons mentioned: range is too short (especially considering that most pvp is conducted at long range), mp cost is too high, land rate is too low (especially with boss jewel and set bonuses), effects are generally weak/useless, and durations are low.
Plus, why bother with seals that must overcome enemy m.def when CP heals are guaranteed to work every time?
If I was NCsoft I would improve seal land rates and effectiveness to be more powerful, boost amount of CP restored by CP heals, and change lifedrain to restore CP instead of HP, and then things would be much better.
Good info i'm stuck at 49 on my OL and seriousely been thinking of deleting him but i'll try and hit 75 on him so i can sub phantom summoner since it sounds like it is pointless to get dominator or try and get dominator on an OL. thanks all
Its not pointless at all, but the only effective way to do it is in AOE groups and those are just not very common.
It's a fun class to play against mobs, but against players the OL just isn't very powerful considering the amount of work you have to put in compared to the classes that are powerful (such as nukers and archers).
Only pleasure you can get with a high level dominator is by healing CPs. Bye-bye heavy-light armor, you go for tuni and acumen weapon. Healing CPs is a challenge in mass pvp because you cant only rely on mass cp heal, you have to single target too.
As for the seals, lol w/e. Buffs start to get good at 77 and reach their highest at 79 with CoV.
Has anyone gotten an OL on test server to see if they got a boost? Like to see if thier main classes get nerfed or boosted besides just checking out the kamael to see how good the new race is?
Ok thanks all was wondering .If anyone does check the Overlords out mail me cuz i'm interested in what I get to look forward to when i actually get a high lvl 1, I'm also interested in AW since my 1st toon is one .
Ok i'm finaly a B Grade Overlord in Avadon robes and i have a avadon shield. Biggest Question i have is how in the world of lineage 2 do i get the seals to land and not get resisted like 90% of the time i try them if that is possible. I'm still using a DS/FOCUS +3 dagger till i get a B grade weapon.
I notice i can stun with the chrono blunt so what's best get a kris with focus and worry about a decent pvp blunt at A grade that will help the seals and dots.
If any suggestions are reroll thanks but that's a quiters way out and I'm a clan leader on this toon so i'll enjoy my headaches while i learn the tricks becuase this dagger has better self buffs than an AW only thing missing is legitimate dagger skills :) or skills for fist weapons.
Why did they have to gimp an Overlord with a dwarves blunt and crappy accuracy anyways?
If you want to land anything as an OL, you need as much Matk as you can scrape together, since your base INT is so low and you can't adjust it with tattoos. (low INT, Low matk)
This means you need a mage weapon with high matk. Preferable with Acumen, as your WIT isn't all that hot, and even with Acu3 some of the seals cast **** slow. Oh, and make sure you are using BSPS, as without your probably going to wiff a lot on the land rate. As the base rate on your seals is already lower than the single target versions of the spells as well. (~20% lower iirc.)
So a DD's dagger just isn't going to work. It may be good for doing actual damage, but it won't get your seals to land any better.
Something like a Sword of Valhalla is what you want. I'd suggest the other B grade mage weapons as well...but most of those are ridiculously difficult to aquire. You'd probably have an easier time finding a OE'd Homunkulus than a good B mage weapon.
But quite honestly, if your not in AOE parties all the time you can forget the seals. They are a MP expensive proposition, that has such a low return it's better to just go pure melee with your lackluster buffs and save the Drain/Sleep for when you really need it.
Sadly, the best way to level a OL, is with a 'real buffer' helping. (PP, SE or WC) And even in a AOE group, you might find people who even prefer an EE over an OL. (VR nerf = 'good' heals needed...which you don't get.)
Thanks for info. With recruiting as hard as it is we only have a prophet and a warcryer in main clan at moment since our WC is on break my parties consist of a destroyer,blade dancer,prophet and myself which is Overlord and i'm set up as a DD mage which works.
I guesse i'll save the AOE partys for when we have more graduates in main clan ,healers though it seems are hard to find on hinde since i'm assuming majority are boxed .
Get a Kris with focus for solo or melee parties. If you are not the main buffer then its better use soul cry (you will find your self outdamage the dd's too) to half mp, save rest for crowd control.
2nd get a homun or a dark screamer, trade it with mammon for a Club of Nature. Put acumen on it .. and there your pvp wep and you can actually stun with good m.atk to drain.
Seal land rate, it is very low.. you just need BD dances and empower & zerk. this setup will improve the landing rate 70% of the time.
Once you get into higher levels, you will find your self important in PvP. You will be able to give 600-800 cp to your clan mates. But you will run out of mp fast :P
At B grade I recommend you xp near Field of massacre. Once A grade go to Forest of the dead and xp near the port in. Once higher near to 70 you can go deeper towards the vampires. Grab heal pots and greater swift attack pots.
Gear setup :-
B grade - BW light and Kris w/focus , Avadon is good but BW light has more p.def and same cast speed.
A grade - DarkCrystal robes and Bloordy Orchid w/Focus. If you can afford an extra set get Dark Crystal light. Start with DC robes once low on MP switch to the Light and continue xp. You wont need an A grade mace w/ acumen, over rated since you wont use it - your club of nature should do fine here.
Get a SE friend to duo with you for efficient xp time. And when you hit 75, just sub a dagger :P you already have the gear and daggers.
Thanks for info. With recruiting as hard as it is we only have a prophet and a warcryer in main clan at moment since our WC is on break my parties consist of a destroyer,blade dancer,prophet and myself which is Overlord and i'm set up as a DD mage which works.
I guesse i'll save the AOE partys for when we have more graduates in main clan ,healers though it seems are hard to find on hinde since i'm assuming majority are boxed .
Sounds like your going to be doing non-aoe mostly. If your group is all Clan members though, you can at least make the most of your normal buffs.
By that, I mean you should co-ordinate with your prophet a set of buff macros that uses your OL's buffs to take the strain off the Prophet's MP use. (I have a L50 one, and MP even in robes is an issue with more than 2-3 people in party.)
This means you can do the 'basics' really fast, and the PP can speed up his buffing by avoiding the ones you have already given. Between 40 and 55 there are a couple of buffs he might max out first, but yours will be pretty much feature complete except for WW by L56. You'll get nothing else of major significance until Third class change.
As far as hunting setup, stick with the melee weapon to get the most out of the PP's critical buffs that you can. I'd wear robes for this. The extra MP and higher cast speed/regen is worth it. For any times you get hit, toggling Soul Guard will cover it, but for the most part you should never get enough aggro to make it an issue. Plus your HP/Pdef should be high enough that the damage shouldn't be a major emergency concern.
Once buffs are covered, you only have a couple of things to spend MP on. The occasional sleep (and you really shouldnt need to do that at all if your group is working together in an area suited for them.) and an occasional Heart of Paagrio. HoP is too MP intensive to use often, but it can ease the healing burden on the PP's old heals a lot if your not in a herb dropping area or using Heal pots. (If you have VR dance that helps too...cant remember the level for that off hand.)
The only other seals worth using are Binding, Silence, Winter and perhaps Suspension. You shouldn't need to use them often, and you need to avoid using them if they trigger additional aggro before you finish your current mob. And in the end you should only have to use these in 'OH CRUD!' situations...
If your doing really well, you might even throw out a Seal of Flame or Poison for fun...but don't expect any useful damage or MP use out of them.
Oh, and above all else...DO NOT USE Seal of Mirage! On the off chance that this seal actually lands, it's effects are the absolute WORST things you could want at the time. The last thing you want is for the tank/DD to lose aggro and have mobs randomly attack your party members, especially your 'squishy' support characters. (That and it lasts a very short time, plus it doesn't break aggro afterwards.) Go try it on some Gremlins in a starter area and see how crappy this skill is. I have yet to find a use for this skill other than goofing off on extremely low level mobs.
When I aggro too many I root and run and sometimes it's fun to drop mirage just to watch them fight eachother, but the spell is often a mp waster. People's reactions are hilarious... "WTH is happening?!" It's great. I just wish it would land more often, it would help me preseerve shots.
Best use of it I found was when I was ganked in varka by a summoner who I knew was ally lvl 5 with varka (can't hit varka mobs, but they don't attack her).
I simply kited her about spamming mirage and madness on her summon making it attack the varka mobs while she was laughing at me for not damaging her......
I bsoe'd to town when no MP and she made hero shouts.... 2 minutes later she was saying she might drop her silenos ally and hunt in silenos because it looks more fun.. LOL. 1 lost pvp > varka ally dlvled from 5-1. Intelligent pvp ftw.