I wouldn't expect an official answer so soon - what I would like is an official poll to be sent to EVERYONE who has an active account so that they can decide how to do it. I don't think it would be fair to implement something which could have a massive impact on the game which the general population may disagree with.
O.o
Where is your common sense?If someone gets naked 78 lvl char with 0 adenas , what do you think his/her first action will be?
Use illegal adena "transfer".
Buy adena
Lauch their own bot groups to farm adena
And no i'm not even discusing "will grind the market" because there would be like 0.07% such people compared to those who will brake EULA.
And what exactly "huge profit" bots can make?If you could transfer all items and adena prices would even out in one night on all servers.And dont think that in some server you cant go to giran and buy EVERYTHING you need(except for Antaras/Baium/Valakas jewels).
Transfering a toon from one server to another with no gear, weapon or adena would make absolutely no sense at all. What would be the point in transfering if you couldnt hunt because you had no gear and no money to buy any. Now that would be a huge benefit for the bots who farm adena dont you think? Also if more people came to less servers that would put a lot of bots out of business because they cant share locations and the ones that did come would be killed all the time by players so I would think it would impact the bots negatively. Not to mention it would be less ground the GMs have to cover to drop the ban hammer.
imo it will be done the same way it currently is done on Korea but let's get back to the original question here and just ask NA NC Soft staff for clarification instead of this speculation
Do you really think that someone who has ~4bill in gear/adena will say "k i will bring 200m with me to another server , just as these very vise and smart rules dictates"?On what servers you play , people?
What about sub gear? If someone has +6 dc set arcana and +6dragonic set / dragonic what would be unequiped?Thats stupid.Either everything or dont even bother implement.
Yea I do, since all servers except bartz (not sure about this one though) Franz and Teon is slowly dying. So yeah, if they still wanna play this game they would sacrifice their hard earned 4 billion adena.
Just think of everyone else that has earned their money on the server everyone will fly to... Their smaller amounts of money (Franz only been up a year) will count for nothing when a shiitload of people transfer their billions and billions of adena. Think about those people as well...
Franz has/had like 600% botting rate compared to other servers.They are already flooded with adena and end game gear.
And i repeat - if NC wont implement full transfer(in case if transfers will be implemented at all) people WILL use illegal means to transfer as many of their adena as possible.
Why?If full transfer is implemented the prices will instantly even out(both ingame and outgame).Whats the purpose to move items adena for sale if on every server prices will be the same(also dont forget that transfer will be PAID service).Or your server has uber ebuyers and there is constant shortage of adena?
From what I read a while back the idea was to only let inactive characters 6m+ be able to transfer. I dont remember where I saw that but I think it was related to the Korean servers. Im prolly wrong tho.
Make the server transfers cost $500 US for each character. That way it would not be profitable for 'bots' to transfer and also we would only have people transfer who were serious about moving, not doing it spur of the moment.
We would also have far less transfers, which I think is good. Personally, I believe that transfers are detrimental to the societies we have built on each server. I hope we develop a habit of 'PK on sight' for transferred toons on all servers. But then, I'm an orc and orcs are bloodthirsty.
a year's worth of subscription fees so i can transfer to a new server and find out it was exactly the same as the old server and decide to quit.
mmmh. really worth it now.
the people (not bots) that will transfer servers will already NOT do it for any other reason than to go where some fun is, or to escape monotony on their own server. and when they get to a new server, they will ALL find how redundant it was to move in the first place. waste of money if youre moving "because the grass is greener" everyone knows it isnt.
i know Lionna people that want to go to Bartz, and i know Bartz people that want to move to Devianne.
Why?If full transfer is implemented the prices will instantly even out(both ingame and outgame).Whats the purpose to move items adena for sale if on every server prices will be the same(also dont forget that transfer will be PAID service).Or your server has uber ebuyers and there is constant shortage of adena?
Full transfer will produce effective instancing in the game. The bots will take over less populated servers (forcing live players there to quit or transfer/reroll), and will supply stuff to more populated servers. After some time, we will roll toons on bot servers just to watch for bot wars, including heavily botted castle sieges :D
Yes cos they REALLY like to siege raid and pvp at 5am.I mean really!!
when they get to the euro servers they will see just how blatant and open the cheating is and realise how it was no different than the previous server.
Yes cos they REALLY like to siege raid and pvp at 5am.I mean really!!
when they get to the euro servers they will see just how blatant and open the cheating is and realise how it was no different than the previous server.
Your entirely missing the point as usual.
Hes not complaining about the cheating, hes complaining that he cannot Siege if he has a job. He cannot really compete in the Oly either even if he desired too.
Devianne and Gustin especially have a extremely large Euro population who were around before Teon/Franz were even thought of and are now stuck with no choice.
Thats not even getting into the other reasons to transfer.
Stop being so bitter about it. The grass *is* greener for some of us. Deal with it.
Let them transfer what they want to transfer, why limit them at all? The grass is green, your mind is what makes it look brown.
Then how would you feel when some low level dwarf with a level 1 clan transfers an entire warehouse plus inventory of boss jewels from low pop server to high population server where the prices are higher? Every low pop server will become farming server. On the other hand this could become a good thing. Five servers for farmers and the rest for real players.
Let them transfer what they want to transfer, why limit them at all? The grass is green, your mind is what makes it look brown.
Then how would you feel when some low level dwarf with a level 1 clan transfers an entire warehouse plus inventory of boss jewels from low pop server to high population server where the prices are higher? Every low pop server will become farming server. On the other hand this could become a good thing. Five servers for farmers and the rest for real players.
As has already been said, thats not how it works.
Stop being paranoid.
You transfer over NAKED, with a set amount of Adena per level. The rates currently in Korea are...
You transfer over NAKED, with a set amount of Adena per level. The rates currently in Korea are...
61-70 <-> 200M
That is crap. My character wears more than that excluding inventory.
And how do you know it won't have to be paid? Sources or don't spread romours plz...
... as he said, that's how it's done in Korea. Everything that we have, Korea has (and then some)... but nothing in L2-NA has ever deviated from the way its done in Korea. I see no reason why our server transfers would be any different.
Is it crap? Up to you to decide. Personally, I view it as Korea's way of ensuring server transfers are not exploited, as was illustrated by several other posters in this and the other thread.
when this person finally gets to siege, and get hero etc, we will see how this person finally feels about the server change.
i got money says the euros that transfer will be complaining more than ever about the sieging and the cheating regardless of how much/little they were/werent complaining before.
it aint the server thats the problem. you and i know it. if you would rather believe another server would redefine your experience, by all means. i'm just here to piss in your cheerios.
You transfer over NAKED, with a set amount of Adena per level. The rates currently in Korea are...
61-70 <-> 200M
That is crap. My character wears more than that excluding inventory.
And how do you know it won't have to be paid? Sources or don't spread romours plz...
Rumors? :X
Thats how its done in Korea, Name me *1* thing that has *ever* changed from Korea to here. (Hint: You cant...)
Take it to the bank.
The only issue is the cost, which is about $24 bucks in Korea... that can and will likely change to be something...and can be debated. ($9 would be too cheap, $29/39 would be too expensive I'd bet..hmm)
when this person finally gets to siege, and get hero etc, we will see how this person finally feels about the server change.
i got money says the euros that transfer will be complaining more than ever about the sieging and the cheating regardless of how much/little they were/werent complaining before.
it aint the server thats the problem. you and i know it. if you would rather believe another server would redefine your experience, by all means. i'm just here to piss in your cheerios.
Oh I agree, that when they do transfer, odds are they might go... "**** sieges sucked [censored], why did I ever do this!" :P
I will go out on a limb here... I know this wont happen, but IMO they should actually merge servers. A heavier population would make the game more interesting for many and perhaps bring others back who left due to lack of players to party with or lack of new enemies to conquer. For instance if they merged server A and server B... wiped the castle ownership clean. Server A top dogs fight server B top dogs for castles... that would bring new life to many in end game... new clans to war etc. Also mergers would allow clans and friends to stay intact, and many more people to party with for everyone. But hey thats just my opinion and you know what they say about opinions...
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would you people just stop already with teh server transfer/merger stuff?!?! they have ALREADY considered how they are going to do it. and maybe some people WANT to play on an unpopulated server, and maybe some people DONT WANT to play on a server with a buch of credit card wielding SUV driving 12 year olds. what we have right now is the freedom to reroll from one server to another server if we so choose. what would you do without that freedom? what if one clan (totally legit, of course :p) owned ALL the castles on EVERY server, or one person followed you from server to server just to pick on you endlessly? all these people who have been complaining about server transfers/mergers better be pleased with whatever they get, is all im saying. 24mil for majestic helm on dev. 150mil on sieg. knowing that the farmers set prices to WHATEVER the ebayers will pay, which price you think is gonna become the norm?? suddenly its not just 1-2 servers that are out of line, now its the whole ****ed game. QQ before you step on MY fun.
OK....server merge isn't happening until the clan hall problem is fixed....fortresses and map expansion might solve this issue in the future but for now even talking about it is pointless
back to the topic at hand: server transfers (I believe) are planned to be offered by sign-up and will be carried out on a single date, and not 'by whim' at all....but this is all just off the rumor mill. What this will do is prevent people from changing servers a multitude of times, thus eliminating the chance of ruining say, the market on sieg...perhaps there will be limitations on transferring from old servers to newer ones where the market is too different and unfair advantages would be gained? perhaps transfer of boss jewels will be completely disallowed? (ie. transferring valakas jewel to a server that has never killed valakas might be considered unfair to some).
On another note: the server transfer service is already going to cost some out-of-pocket expense in addition to the subscription fee....to limit what can be brought over too much (i.e. to the point of not being competitive at your level range anymore) would be pointless. All this will do is spawn more ebuying of adena after transferring (as well as keep a few ppl from transferring at all)...Even people who don't normally buy adena might feel justified in it by saying "well NC already made my stuff disappear when I transferred, so I'm just going to buy it all back"
Stopping server transfers for the sole purpose of preventing farmers from benefiting is pointless. A few minor restrictions are OK for preventing players from transferring to new servers where the difference in level and gear would create unfair dominance. It is naive to think that not having transfers will impact the ebaying population at all, people who are going to ebay will ebay and I'm pretty sure theres no shortage of adena on ebay for any of the servers. Therefore transfers will not impact this illicit aspect of the game at all.
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would you people just stop already with teh server transfer/merger stuff?!?! they have ALREADY considered how they are going to do it. and maybe some people WANT to play on an unpopulated server, and maybe some people DONT WANT to play on a server with a buch of credit card wielding SUV driving 12 year olds. what we have right now is the freedom to reroll from one server to another server if we so choose. what would you do without that freedom? what if one clan (totally legit, of course :p) owned ALL the castles on EVERY server, or one person followed you from server to server just to pick on you endlessly? all these people who have been complaining about server transfers/mergers better be pleased with whatever they get, is all im saying. 24mil for majestic helm on dev. 150mil on sieg. knowing that the farmers set prices to WHATEVER the ebayers will pay, which price you think is gonna become the norm?? suddenly its not just 1-2 servers that are out of line, now its the whole ****ed game. QQ before you step on MY fun.
hmm cant you Re-roll now anyways? Called starting a new toon on a new server :).
IMO, your server would have to be very dead and gameplay truly stifled to want to transfer a high level toon from one server to the other IF it doesn't include your character's entire inventory. I, for example only, have worked hard to get what I have... it's nothing, I'm sure, to what others have, and I'm sure others have gotten them in questionable fashion. It is no matter. It's okay for them to have it here, it should be transfered with the toon. I have said this on other threads too, maybe even this one... but to transfer without their inventory and warehouse, that would decimate the economy of the server they will be going to.
If the server transfer can't handle transferring what NCSoft is already capable of making sure I have every time I log in... pfft. And if that is difficult for them, perhaps there should be a freight service, so that the toon that will be transferred can freight to themselves on the other server, something like that.
It's not an issue of what can/should/might be possible or handled... it's a matter of "the way it's done".
In Korea, regardless of how you'd like it to be, you don't move with your stuff. Zilch. Nada. Nothing.
What you *do* wind up with is a lump sum of adena, based on your level. If you had less than that in your inventory prior to your move, you wind up with that amount instead.
Let's say you're a level 75 character and have 50 million in your inventory, and you change servers. Your gear is gone, you have 50 mil on your new server.
If you were level 75 and have 5 billion adena, when you move servers, you awake with 300 million (the hard cap for a level 75 character) in your inventory and your newbie suit. Good luck!
Having been in this game since OB, I can tell you with 99.999% certainty that the system that our server transfers use will deviate from the way it is done in Korea in no way, shape or form other than how much they charge you for the service.
I don't have an answer for you yet regarding exactly how server transfers will work and all the details therein (sorry!), but I can tell you that characters will not be wearing their birthday suit when they transfer to a different server. If you're so inclined, your character may safely strip down to his/her birthday suit once the server transfer is complete.
I don't have an answer for you yet regarding exactly how server transfers will work and all the details therein (sorry!), but I can tell you that characters will not be wearing their birthday suit when they transfer to a different server. If you're so inclined, your character may safely strip down to his/her birthday suit once the server transfer is complete.
hmm cant you Re-roll now anyways? Called starting a new toon on a new server :).
yes, this is exactly the freedom that i was talking about before, that we are losing due to server transfers (the freedom to leave one official seerver and go to another OFFICIAL server). the people who want server transfers are (not always, but often) people who paid 1,000$ USD for their charcter, and dont want to have to pay for that again so they can restart with a fresh reputation on a different server.
I don't have an answer for you yet regarding exactly how server transfers will work and all the details therein (sorry!), but I can tell you that characters will not be wearing their birthday suit when they transfer to a different server. If you're so inclined, your character may safely strip down to his/her birthday suit once the server transfer is complete.
Wow this is going to really screw up the economy.
Not necessarily. It might be that they have decided the NA server transfers will allow players to carry their equipment and then a certain amount of adena.
Not necessarily. It might be that they have decided the NA server transfers will allow players to carry their equipment and then a certain amount of adena.
Even one set of Epics could be un-balancing to an economy.... though we'll have to wait and see what it is they have in mind.
What the heck are you talking about? I think to people their hardearned time leveling their characters and bonding with it is far more worth than some bought character.
Those who have already crossed that boundery and have the money will just buy a new character anyway and no problem.
how about no Boss jewery transfer over, only the item that you are wearing and equip and certain amount of adena say 500M and quest log and quest items are transfer only, no warehouse item transfer. This way it does not mess up another server economy way to much when a fully loaded warehouse and rich player transfer to the server?
I'm convinced there's no transfer option they can do that won't result in a certain amount of -_- here. Heck, they can't even give us the generally popular medal event without getting some complaints.
I don't envy Alyra's position. Consider the question "Will we retain our full recipe books when we transfer?"
(a) yes
(b) no
(c) some inbetween yes no answer
(d) I can't say at this point
a, b, c, or d, someone is gonna fuss.
But as much as possible, I know we all would like to be able to plan ahead. For example, we need to save character spaces for the ones that transfer, plus the kamael everyone's gonna make. And if transfers were coming nekkid, we would have liked to get a head start selling the equip, maybe buying new stuff on the destination server. If they're not bringin their warehouse or whatever, let us plan ahead so as not to cause sudden panic...
So Alyra, whatever information you can give is ++good. No matter how much we -_-. ;D
Will you be offering some sort of bulk transfer cost for players who wants to move all their characters to a new servers to permanently play there?
We have 6 accounts, that would be 45 dollars*7*6=1.890 dollars to transfer all our characters to another server *once* :( (if we had all slots filled, which is close for us)
Is it crap? Up to you to decide. Personally, I view it as Korea's way of ensuring server
Well yes for me it is up to me to decide. And I think it's crap. I'm in C grade jewels still but have worked hard farming the past few event periods for the rest of my armor and my weapon. With the amount limited to my character would barely have enough to shell out for just the armor lol...
I do understand the boss jewel issue and such, but I would hope that would be fixable. I.E if someone transfers over with 6 ant queen rings with a name like LILILILILILILILI maybe NC should look further into that persons account lol...
Rumors? :X
Thats how its done in Korea, Name me *1* thing that has *ever* changed from Korea to here. (Hint: You cant...)
I don't doubt it will work like Korea. If those are the Korean tables then so be it that's how it will work. That wasn't what I was talking about, so sorry for that small piece of confusion.
What I was pointing out as a romour was how you said that it won't cost anything here. Seeing as how Alyra hasn't stated how transfers will work or the costs involved yes the part about it not costing anything is at the moment a romour.
Its not being changed here, come on. Has anything ever?
It doesn't make sense especially as you yourself pointed out "have we ever done anything different than Korea?".
What I'd like to point out to NC is that we are not Korea and we should not be treated like them. Their servers are bustling I'm sure and transfers for them are a lot more of a luxury. Our servers are not at all close to the traffic of the Korean servers so I don't think we should have the same transfer method implemented.
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Ahh I just saw Alyras post skimming through the rest of the messages. It's nice to know they won't be going naked.
True... but, on the other hand, every character begins play with a set of clothing and a weapon.... you're not naked, technically.
Heres your tunic and pants.. enjoy.. powned!
I still dont see why people are really complaining.
Some of these servers you'd be moving too are so far cheaper its amazing. You can fully outfit a character in A grade for about 200-235 million depending upon what you want (including Maj Jewels).. considering thats about how much you transfer with, sounds about right.
S isnt exactly expensive on major servers either (at least Bartz...). Drac Bow's for 125 if your thrifty, w/Focus +3 for 250 (two selling atm even!)...
I guess it depends how many people take advantage of the transfer service when it comes. If it's more than a handful, don't expect prices to be stable, at least for a bit. But prices never were stable with new chronicles, anyway.
i dont see any good that could come out of this really...just makes it easier for those who bot adena and sell it online...now they can just transfer their bots from server to server to get a ton of adena on every server and sell it for a lot of rl cash..((remind me why people pay them real cash for fake cash??....can you say "stupid" but thats just MY opinion...))
I'm pretty sure they'll adress the issue of server jumping. I think that's probably been one of the most discussed topics and well...if the devs don't take it into mind then...dunno what else to say lol.
Some of these servers you'd be moving too are so far cheaper its amazing. You can fully outfit a character in A grade for about 200-235 million depending upon what you want (including Maj Jewels).. considering thats about how much you transfer with, sounds about right.
Which is how, I think, NC-KR came up with the hard-caps on the adena limit. It's, most likely, an "average sum" of the baseline expense that characters of that grade can be expected to spend on grade-appropriate gear. Put another way, they looked at what it would cost a character eligible for A-grade to equip themselves, on average, and set the limit at the average of that cost.
Of course, the extremely-wealthy transferees are still screwed, as are the extremely-poor, at any level and grade... but, then, server transfers aren't a means to make adena overnight, its a tool to seek better opportunities on another server, for whatever reason (seige times, population, friends, etc).
Of course, for the extremely wealthy, they will still have the tools to become so again, regardless of how they achieved that wealth in the first place... I mean, let's be honest, those who played the market can do so again, those who played with Visa will likewise do so again.
I don't have an answer for you yet regarding exactly how server transfers will work and all the details therein (sorry!), but I can tell you that characters will not be wearing their birthday suit when they transfer to a different server . If you're so inclined, your character may safely strip down to his/her birthday suit once the server transfer is complete.
Thank you very very much Alyra, for the reply. Just wanted to know if the transfers were among accounts on the same server or different servers (details of the transfer are not relevant at this time). Your reply more then answers that :).
Someone has said transferring with epics and weapons and armors/robes will devastate an economy. I don't agree. Imagine being transferred with only adena to reoutfit yourself... can you imagine how the prices will inflate? And THAT will ruin an economy if you ask me. As far as epics... they already imbalance the game. They aren't that prevalent. To me they aren't that big of a consideration... but definitely my robes and weapon and jewels would be a big deal, including all the mats etc that I have taken such a long time to accumulate in my warehouse.
I think most are missing the point with server transfers...
I get the feeling that the reason they exist is so people who really don't want to reroll to a server that offers more seiges/better times/friends/whatever don't have to.
You save your XP and SP, you get to take a nest egg of adena to re-equip yourself, and you supposedly already have a support network of friends on the receiving server to help you out when you land there.
Given that it's L2, it's not going to be a win/win for most who are transferring... nothing in L2 ever is.
getting a piece epic jewelry on devianne is a different sort of accomplishment than gettting one on say, franz. not only should these items not be sellable, but they also shouldnt transfer cross-server becasue it wasnt an accomplishment you achieved on that server.
I was having a moment of nostalgia, you know, reading the old newsletters, etc.. when I saw that nice piece of irony in the May 2004 Newsletter :
"Character Transfer in the Works !
One of the most requested features we are curently working on is Character Transfer, which will allow players to take their characters to other servers. We are evaluating this now, and hope to bring this offering to you in the very near future !"
Um, yeah. That hasn't been brought up like eleventy billion times in the past month and a half in the transfer-related threads....
... anyway... yeah, KFC, that's kinda my thinking behind it, with the limit to characters-with-gear moving between servers. It's a whole lot easier to acquire Epics (for example) on a server where the biggest clan is 400 people than a server where the biggest is 40. Moving from Server A where you had that available, to B where it isn't, is almost like having the I Win button.
When you have a group of people, even as few as a dozen, tricked out in the best gear the game has, moving from one server to one where such items are the exception and not the rule, it shapes up to be a complete disaster for the receiving server.
You will be transfered in the standard farmer attire (Theca top, Theca bottom, Composite boots). If farmers can get theca to work in the most difficult areas, so can you.
this is actually not a bad idea. allow characters to transfer with D and C crystals on. no money. D and C cry are one item that has a relatively consistent player value across servers. in addition, they can be used to get basic gear at the lux shop, and the lower crystal values go, the easier it is for new players to make ss/sps. or maybe, when you decide you want to transfer servers, all your gear gets crystalized instantly, then u can transfer over with the crystals. mwhahaha.
this is actually not a bad idea. allow characters to transfer with D and C crystals on. no money. D and C cry are one item that has a relatively consistent player value across servers. in addition, they can be used to get basic gear at the lux shop, and the lower crystal values go, the easier it is for new players to make ss/sps. or maybe, when you decide you want to transfer servers, all your gear gets crystalized instantly, then u can transfer over with the crystals. mwhahaha.
D and C cry prices are only fairly stable because their supply is fairly stable
dump a billion crystals into the market and the price will drop like a rock
Any attempt to make naked/with hadfull of adena/with crystals transfer WILL result in use of farmer services.I cant understand how someone who plays for years now have such delusions about L2 playerbase.
Yes , people will throw out my 5 billions of adena and gear to have 500 D crystals on another server
No epic jewels transfer on the other hand sounds good.If they are available on new server markets buy them , if not join some ally that do these bosses.
Let's be a little realistic -- it's not like there aren't a bunch of people using ebay-type services currently. With transfers, of course they'll continue their habits.
But with what Alyra said, we can be hopeful that they'll do something so that your character will be playable when it transfers.
Theca = no. D and C crystals have stable prices because you buy them (indirectly) from the npc store -- that gives them a price CEILING, not a price floor.
I'd think you'd need to bring your character's skills, including recipe book for dwarves, and your buff slots and OEd skills.
Aside from that, there's a number of ways they could do it and still have a playable character.
Whether you have your current gear and some quota of inventory,
a choice of typical gear when you arrive,
or maybe just like on PTS where you'll have some adena + crystals and opportunity to interact with NPCs who'll sell you mats dirt cheap to craft what you need.
None of those would really screw up either the target economy or the one the player left.
...and the lower crystal values go, the easier it is for new players to make ss/sps...
D and C cry prices are only fairly stable because their supply is fairly stable
dump a billion crystals into the market and the price will drop like a rock
yep, i think that was part of the idea i suggested.
so 70+ ppl transfer servers broke and noobs get to make cheap SS?
i think the lowbies have enough benefits as is, its the high lvl player base that is bored
Are you guys serious about the economy getting screwed by transferring gear over?
Has anyone actually sat down and thought about the alternative?
If server transfers ever come to be, 3 servers are going to get a ton of new players, these servers are teon, franz and bartz. All the top pvp clans from each server are going to move because there is simply not enough players to even keep them interested in the game on their servers.
If players aren't allowed to transfer their items the economies of teon, franz and bartz will be ruined. Something like a DC robe set will sell for hundreds of millions because there will be so many people trying to buy them all at once. Common items are going to skyrocket in price making it nearly impossible for the people that have transferred to regear their toons and similarly impossible for players on the servers to which people are transferring to.
On the servers that people will be leaving, the opposite will happen. There will be a huge flood of gear on the market that everyone is trying to sell and it's going to go for peanuts. This will make it even worse for players who transfer because they won't even be able to get a good amount of adena to transfer over in the first place.
Economy aside, it's pretty unfair for the people who want to transfer and there very valid reasons for wanting to transfer.
On the other hand, I really fail to see how the economy of any server except maybe franz will be affected negatively by transfers if you can take your gear with you.
bug you're right, that's exactly what I thought. Prices will fall on origin servers making people rather sell to NPC shops just to get at least some adena, and will blow up to thy sky on target servers. Even if you have Adena with you as you manage to hoad that 300 mil or whatever amount you can, there is possibility it will be nothing. This leads to massive usage of third market, which is NOT exasctly what NC wants.
Doing it the current way as Korea does would not bring good (heck what does? Nothing works here as in Korea :p ). They have 30 servers, most packed with people and some amount of moving players do not render servers unplayable, just a drop in an ocean. But here it would.
Just pay attention to people carrying Might Mortal daggers to Franz or some boss jewels from boss that was never slain on target server if toon transfers with some of it's equipment.
Just pay attention to people carrying Might Mortal daggers to Franz or some boss jewels from boss that was never slain on target server if toon transfers with some of it's equipment.
And is exactly why people should not be allowed to transfer with gear.
There are, to put it bluntly, items on older servers that never existed on newer servers (the MM daggers being the prime example of these). Do these items even exist in the code database for these servers? Who knows? AFAIK, there are servers where the major bosses have never died, and no one possesses the epic jewels from them... it gets really sticky in these situations with maintaining the balance on both servers involved.
the market of all the servers will be similare in value...
the only thing is that depending on the where the populations move to... the higher the pop, the more it'll be..
but all the servers will have identical item/sa/whatever lists... what is wrong with someone moving from a server with a mm dagger to one which never had it.... what are you complaining about there? what if someone moves with a boss jewel on a server that never had that boss die.... WHY are you complaining about it.. it wasn't yours, never was, it's still in thier hands... what inbalance is it going to cause.... go kill the dragon and get one for youself if you want.
imho, no transfers will be allowed TO heavy status servers aka Franz, Teon.
this is bad for europeans that wish to (at last) play on normal timezone for them and didnt want to reroll in the past.
imho, no transfers will be allowed TO heavy status servers aka Franz, Teon.
this is bad for europeans that wish to (at last) play on normal timezone for them and didnt want to reroll in the past.
I'd bet my left nut that such a thing would not happen.
The whole purpose of server transfers is to get OFF of dead servers, not to move to ANOTHER dead server.
Furthermore, NCSoft fully realizes their mistake in not making a European server when the game first came out, thus locking most Euro's out of the primary reason for playing the game.
Now, thats not to say that I coudnt see one of the dead servers being made Euro and free transfers off and onto it, thus making another heavy server...
But I bet transfers will be allowed anywhere you wish to go, otherwise no one will utilize the service.
They'll have to, or Teon and Franz become congested in case they allow transfers there.
If not, Euros will beat them with newb sticks underground.
I really think they need to take one of the exhisting servers and make it the 3rd euro one and give people the free option to transfer off (including to bartz) no restrictions for them
IMO, the Euro servers wouldn't be so flooded with transfers if NC Soft would just make options for Heroes and Olympiads sessions that was conducive to Europeans. A siege every other week isn't so bad to stay up late for, but camping the Olympiads with middle-of-the-night times for Euros for days at a time is simply making an already flawed system untenable for Euros.
anyone know if it's possible to transfer game account from one playNC account to new one?
i would like to have my 2 game accounts separated cuz of safety. =)
The whole purpose of server transfers is to get OFF of dead servers, not to move to ANOTHER dead server.
If they implement transfers like they are in Korea, players will only be able to transfer to servers with similar or lower population than the one they are on. Transfers to the servers with the highest population would be severely limited IF they are even allowed.
The purpose of server transfers is to lessen the load on heavy servers while giving a boost to the low population servers. If they wanted people to move off a dead server, they would just merge it with another server.
yeah but what about all those Euros that want to move to only 2 EU servers? Will they just say "sorry, no luck for you, suck being from Europe" ... ? :confused:
yeah but what about all those Euros that want to move to only 2 EU servers? Will they just say "sorry, no luck for you, suck being from Europe" ... ? :confused:
3 ways this could happen:
1- additional Euro servers are added with transfers
2- server populations shift to the point where transfers are allowed to one of the existing Euro servers
3- one of the existing, low population, US servers is converted to a Euro server
yeah but what about all those Euros that want to move to only 2 EU servers? Will they just say "sorry, no luck for you, suck being from Europe" ... ? :confused:
3 ways this could happen:
1- additional Euro servers are added with transfers
2- server populations shift to the point where transfers are allowed to one of the existing Euro servers
3- one of the existing, low population, US servers is converted to a Euro server
point three is not possible as the US servers are placed in the US whereas the Europe ones are in Germany so erm no unless they set up a new server in Germany that's not going to happen sorry..
point three is not possible as the US servers are placed in the US whereas the Europe ones are in Germany so erm no unless they set up a new server in Germany that's not going to happen sorry..
It is possible because those Euro servers in Germany were once physically located in the US.
Guys euro servers are only busy becouse nc SOFT Has not slamed the bot hammer down yet, thay need the economies and supplies advable for peeps on this server . when /if transfers happen the bot hammer will strike and all servers will be low to normal.
Really? Where you getting this info of yours, hmm? I saw Spam on Teon just like he did appear on every other server. The other servers, already at light or normal all are now predominantly light, yet Teon is still Heavy. Maybe, just maybe we actually have more players? *GASP* Heck, if NC would publish statistics tied to subscriptions from different countries, I would bet that the Europe/Balkans subscriptions would far outweight those of NA. You have European players on every server, in large quantities. Teon and Franz are just even more concentrated.
Guys euro servers are only busy becouse nc SOFT Has not slamed the bot hammer down yet, thay need the economies and supplies advable for peeps on this server . when /if transfers happen the bot hammer will strike and all servers will be low to normal.
I think if they hit the hammer hard, the 4 little servers would read "none", not even light :p
How much longer will it take for the bots to get that economy nice & stable?
Considering we're one of the servers having Top A weapons on sale whereas people on other servers havent even seem them :P Sword of Ipos is **** ugly btw.