Google Translate has the word Linux appearing quite often on that page.
'For the completion of passion'
The first update, plus
(The Kamael) (Plus) The 'no kamael (The Kamael) Plus (Plus)' with the following update to our advantage.
- Restrict level off (85 levels)
- Completion helbaundeuui
- Wizards of the darkness appeared evenly
- Subclass foster workers
- Emergence of new items
- Add new skills
- Emergence of a new pet
- Oh the popular emergence of Zion
el oh el, they better do something then to ease the grind as I know only of a handfull who have hit 80 legitly and this will just encourage the usage of illegal means even more >.<
and if the part of restricting your subclass to lvl80 and only your main class can hit 85 is true without a way to transfer your subclass to main I'll be quiting the game period, not going to waste anymore time as I didn't grind legitly to 80 on my sub just to get nerved like that.
This is unacceptable!!! I know you guys can't offically respond to upcoming updates, but raising the level cap any higher then 80 is pure BULL-.- .
From a long time player of this game, I find raising the level cap any higher is a cheap cop out on NCsofts part to add content. I am sorry if this post comes off a bit strong, but its the truth! The grind in this game is one of the hardest in any game and to add more grinding, which by the way is NOT fun or challanging past 79, is not something that will please your subscribers.
I also want to point out that raising the level cap is like talking out both sides of your mouth.
-On the one side you say EULA breaking programs are bannable, but we all know NCSoft is not fast enough or efficant enough to stop all of the people breaking the rules.
-Yet on the other side of your mouth you raise the level cap which includes more xp grinding which in turn will promote people to cheat to get there XP.
I do hope you get what I am trying to say.
I emplore you that you send this feed back, back to Korea and let them know that more grinding is not something we want.
You forgot to add that they're also making grinding harder all the time ^^
QFT
Also to add, we as a community never get Double XP/SP events but other games do! (this is not any fault of NA NCsoft but the suites back in Korea, which I say are ... well I can't say due to forum rules)
Also AOE has been hit with a nurf bat for a couple of chronicals.
Pretty shocking stuff. Concidering it takes a legit player like 4-6 months to go from 78 - 80. Just hope there is like 200,000xp per mob on the new Island :P
So uh they make it harder from 75-80, and then add a cap up to 85.
Lol classic!
Guys, Gals...
At one point there were larger xp needs for the higher levels. they lowered the requirements (moved the level walls).
Since there is precedent for that I think that there could be a good chance that they would do the same here.
They still need to add content. No doubt about that. But I think people are panicking over nothing.
Its still more grinding, and people will be cheating to get those levels with in a few months. NCsoft can't catch all the cheaters. This level cap just promotes cheating to get the XP. And god knows we don't need any more reason for people to cheat in this game.
IF Ncsoft could catch the cheaters with 100% effectiveness then I could warm up to the increase in level cap, other then that we all know people will be outleveled by the people who cheat.
So uh they make it harder from 75-80, and then add a cap up to 85.
Lol classic!
Guys, Gals...
At one point there were larger xp needs for the higher levels. they lowered the requirements (moved the level walls).
Since there is precedent for that I think that there could be a good chance that they would do the same here.
They still need to add content. No doubt about that. But I think people are panicking over nothing.
Its still more grinding, and people will be cheating to get those levels with in a few months. NCsoft can't catch all the cheaters. This level cap just promotes cheating to get the XP. And god knows we don't need any more reason for people to cheat in this game.
IF Ncsoft could catch the cheaters with 100% effectiveness then I could warm up to the increase in level cap, other then that we all know people will be outleveled by the people who cheat.
Grinding is a main mechanic of the game. Grinding for xp and skill points to enchant skills, grinding for xp to level, grinding for money.
Heck, you could always grind to 81 and use that as a buffer as you lose xp to pvp if you no longer want to lvl for the sake of leveling.
The other thing is that you can't "not" add something just because people are going to cheat. People are always going to cheat. They will still cheat even if NC didn't raise the lvl cap.
Should they take away the free market because people will cheat or make it so that you can't trade money between players? Or just lower the lvl cap to something easily attainable and leave it at that?
People will always cheat. In every game.
The best they can do is to constantly be evaluating their methods for catching cheaters.
But not to allow character advancement in a game that is about character advancement, is not the way to go in my opinion. Also, since I believe lineage 1 has no level cap, I feel it is safe to say that Lineage 2 could go that way at some point.
Players are always going to want to advance their character in a game that centers around advancing their character.
I will not quit if they allow the use of third party programs.
I will not quit if they prevent logout when the enemy enters into walker range.
I will not quit if NCSoft encourages the use of Walker (maybe integrate in).
I will not quit if they add Walker rep points. For example X amount of W.R.P. unlocks hidden walker skills such as "Walker SKill Party Enchant". W.S.P.E allows one party to control the other Walker party for 30 minutes. This will allow you to either use them to farm for you, exp for you or delevel themselves for you. I think this skill should last for 30 minutes and have a reuse of about 4 hours.
Uh... ok, quote from l2blah... like that's ever going to happen. But I guess he/she was being sarcastic.
Probably NCSoft thought "Hey, wait a second... there are too many level 80 players on the US/EU servers... all of 30 players :O we gotta do something"
People used to say that going from 78 to 80 takes as long as it takes from 1 to 78... My guess is that to get from level 80 to 85 will take the same time as you would need to take your main and the three subclasses to level 80 and doing the noblesse quest and then... /reroll and /repeat... that sounds fun... :sarcastic:
Edit: Can't wait for level 100 cap... 4th class change quest FTW! ;) I'm gonna have a Sword Breaker, a Blade Singer, an Oversmith and a Spell Destroyer.
It this were the case, then there would be more than 1 level 100 player in Lineage 1. As far as I have ever heard, there was only one toon ever to get there.
At some point the diminshing returns on the PvE grind have to kill off all the most deticated player. That, and you have to believe running up a toon into the 80's will put them on the radar of the GMs in the game.
OK, I changed my mind... Lineage 2 is EASY grind... if this (http://lineage2wiki.com/index.php?title=Experience_Table) table is correct and so are my calculations, then the TOTAL amount of Exp you need to get to level 80 with 99% is 23,208,670,978 or an average of 290,108,387.225 per level, while in Lineage 1 if the exp you need to level doubles each time your level increases and you need 68 exp to get to level 2, you would need 41,103,477,866,897,391,940,009,984 exp just to get from 79 to 80. Then again, the exp you receive from mobs in L1 might be different from L2, but it still looks ugly...
New level cap? Ahh I think I might quit again, and this time seriously for good.. I have quit 10+ times already and have come back, but I just resubscribed a week ago and I already feel burned out after reading this...
Raising the lvl cap doesn't encourage cheating. Cheating encourages cheating. Take out the cheaters and the lvl cap no longer becomes any sort of an issue.
its pretty cheap to raise the cap. i was fine with 75. 78 wasnt necessary and 80 was a total joke. now 85?? LOL. take a look at http://www.[censored].com/dstuff/images/levels.png
Raising the lvl cap doesn't encourage cheating. Cheating encourages cheating. Take out the cheaters and the lvl cap no longer becomes any sort of an issue.
Raising the lvl cap doesn't encourage cheating. Cheating encourages cheating. Take out the cheaters and the lvl cap no longer becomes any sort of an issue.
but since they dont or cant, it does.
Well, now they have a "chance" to catch those that they didnt catch before. I am not saying they will, but they cant seem to ban people who have botted in the past. Providing future botting opportunities seems to be the only way they can catch the "legit lvl 80s that came from no where".
My thought is that they are going to make it easier to get to 80+ and that they are already working on content for C2 that will be solely for 80+
Doesn't make sense to add the content at the same time they raise the cap as no one would be able to use it. By allowing for a raise in lvl sooner (and of course altering the xp needed) they allow for more players to be ready to take advantage of it.
remember in C2 they raised the lvl cap to 75 but the skills topped out at 61. in c3 they filled in those skill levels and C4 boosted to 78 with no excursive skill trees. c5 came and we got S gear, epic gear and skills for S grade. Interlude saw the boost to 80, CT1 saw the S80 gear, now CT2 brings 85 - guess when were getting skills for it? you guessed it, CT3.
Probably NCSoft thought "Hey, wait a second... there are too many level 80 players on the US/EU servers... all of 30 players :O we gotta do something"
You think this update has anything... ANYTHING.. to do with the US/EU servers?
More like...
There are probably hundreds of level 80's in Korea with max subs that are near 80 too just waiting for "something" to do in Lineage 2, thus, more grind, have fun.
Remember, we are absolutely nothing in the eyes of Korea other then dollar signs.
remember in C2 they raised the lvl cap to 75 but the skills topped out at 61. in c3 they filled in those skill levels and C4 boosted to 78 with no excursive skill trees. c5 came and we got S gear, epic gear and skills for S grade. Interlude saw the boost to 80, CT1 saw the S80 gear, now CT2 brings 85 - guess when were getting skills for it? you guessed it, CT3.
what about those that put lots of time in their sub class as they got tired of their main class, why are those not allowed to try the grind to 85 ? is NC Soft now really saying here to bad you should have created a char u liked from the start to keep playing for the next 5years ?
sorry I just feel very upset about this all that I won't be able to advance my char anymore in Kameals Plus
Google Translate has the word Linux appearing quite often on that page.
'For the completion of passion'
The first update, plus
(The Kamael) (Plus) The 'no kamael (The Kamael) Plus (Plus)' with the following update to our advantage.
- Restrict level off (85 levels)
- Completion helbaundeuui
- Wizards of the darkness appeared evenly
- Subclass foster workers
- Emergence of new items
- Add new skills
- Emergence of a new pet
- Oh the popular emergence of Zion
i still remember
when they raised the lvl cap from 75
"omg" they said "noone will ever make it to 78 without botting"
wanna guess what they said for 80?
i know 1 legit lvl 80 toon
rst were either botted or lvled via destro (no ppl lvled by destro are not legit :P)
what about those that put lots of time in their sub class as they got tired of their main class, why are those not allowed to try the grind to 85 ? is NC Soft now really saying here to bad you should have created a char u liked from the start to keep playing for the next 5years ?
sorry I just feel very upset about this all that I won't be able to advance my char anymore in Kameals Plus
You know, the same thing can be said about the hero competition. Why can you only compete on your main? Makes no sense - you should be able to choose, but does NcSoft care? No.
what about those that put lots of time in their sub class as they got tired of their main class, why are those not allowed to try the grind to 85 ? is NC Soft now really saying here to bad you should have created a char u liked from the start to keep playing for the next 5years ?
sorry I just feel very upset about this all that I won't be able to advance my char anymore in Kameals Plus
You know, the same thing can be said about the hero competition. Why can you only compete on your main? Makes no sense - you should be able to choose, but does NcSoft care? No.
Everyone would sub a prophet on their main and a nuker / archer on their boxed prophet.
The point I'm trying to make is that the whole Hero competition is screwed with:
-some classes more powerful than others
-no ability to choose what you wanna compete - whether you play your main class or not
-skills that turn fun pvp into a "run for ur life" fest
Why would anyone be surprised about the max 85 on main only? Hero competion is just one of the unbalanced things in this game, there are tons more. Either deal / reroll or quit is NcSoft's motto after all.
well if thats the only solution then maybe quit, as a legit player im not able to grind/bot 24/7 .....why not make it some easier to grind, some ppl have a job and a RL...:xD
NC SOFT make it easier
well if thats the only solution then maybe quit, as a legit player im not able to grind/bot 24/7 .....why not make it some easier to grind, some ppl have a job and a RL...:xD
NC SOFT make it easier
getting rid of the bots won't make leveling faster it will just drastically change the economy and besides asking for bot removal 2 years ago and their still here obviously says that asking now won't help the situation either.
getting rid of the bots won't make leveling faster it will just drastically change the economy and besides asking for bot removal 2 years ago and their still here obviously says that asking now won't help the situation either.
I know it wont make a difference, but neither will asking them to make it easier. My point is that if the botters are gone then why does it matter what lvl the cap is? It could be 90000000000 for all I care. If the highest lvl any human can / is willing to reach is lvl 82 then that becomes the cap, not 90000000000.
Not really bt Ct4 the level cap will probably 90 whcih will be like going from 1-80 on all your characters(slots filled) and their subclasses and the same on the test server thats how long it'll take
Not really bt Ct4 the level cap will probably 90 whcih will be like going from 1-80 on all your characters(slots filled) and their subclasses and the same on the test server thats how long it'll take
And? If the highest lvl char in all of NA is lvl 82 and the cap is 90 then who gives a crap? Do you need to be max lvl to do something?
problem is a level 82 or 83 (based on the new bonuses for higher levels) will totally destroy someone who is 75 or 76. People with real lives rarely get to 78 and almost never past it. Ncsoft is just promoting botting because its inhuman to be able to grind on the same mobs for 4 months to get 1 level for 3 new skills and not want to blow your brains out. WoW had the right idea with the level cap it was made a little harder but they made it easier to get to the higher levels. Without the proper buffs or perfect parties and gear it is harder to level now then it was in c3.
People claim it is easier to level now have PoF, COV buff slaves and also have a bd, sws, and ee to level with that are boxed. Not every one can afford or have friends give them accounts and run 6 accounts to play a game.
When a game feels like a job, ill just rather work.
I think it's good you can only compete on your main
after all your main is what hero your going be....
not a valid argument for those who play this game longer then the introduction of the whole Hero fiasko (play this game since NA Closed Beta)
I don't like my main class (76 Dualist) anymore after playing it for 2+ years and I love how my subclass (79+ SM) plays and as such have zero intrest in lvling it any further or even bother to do Oly besides throwing points to allies.
doubt I'm alone in this and that there are plenty of people around that wish they could change their subclass to main if this increase max lvl really only apply to mains as so to have a chance to someday hit 82 and try to get some of that new gear/skill etc.
2 accounts and a pet or 2 is all that's need to solo and grind 2 high lvls. I did it with on my WC with just a wolf. Now my WC has a SE that I lvl with it 2 help with heals so that I don't run out mp and can solo non stop not even for buffs my se just buffs and I buff haste on my wc and back to the grind. with good melee weapon and a wolf at my side I lvl just fine.
My BH use a Wind Hatchling just don't do the strider quest and keep lvling it my hatchling is almost 60 now.
Just a few tidbits, and no I'm not doing the whole thing (thank jason, I'm feeling completely unhelpfull to pricks..)
The reason they arent letting subs go after 85, is you'll be able to use your sub's skills after it hits 80 and your main hits a certain level. (nifty..!)
I'm assuming its subject to change since its not out yet and they just gave a date... its also not downloading via PTS updater so no clue on the size. (Something small downloaded, but dont think it was that by how fast it whizzed by)
Actually... no. Why sub a class that you can suppliment with another player? The classes you want to mix are the ones with passives / actives that mix well with your main. For example, if you played a HE, you would want to sub something like a PW (crit chance passives) or a Tyrant (attack speed) or a Warlord (increased pattack when hp is low).
Yes, you could sub a class that would make you a solo maniac. Not the best choice IMO.
Just a few tidbits, and no I'm not doing the whole thing (thank jason, I'm feeling completely unhelpfull to pricks..)
Not to worry, translations are forthcoming from people who actually know what they're talking about.
So pull your head out of your [censored]. Oh, and way to post the link well after I found it and posted it elsewhere.
Just a few tidbits, and no I'm not doing the whole thing (thank jason, I'm feeling completely unhelpfull to pricks..)
Not to worry, translations are forthcoming from people who actually know what they're talking about.
So pull your head out of your [censored]. Oh, and way to post the link well after I found it and posted it elsewhere.
A few minutes after you posted it on Blah :P
If you really wanna get technical though, the russians beat you since they had it up 5 minutes after it was put up on the site.
Actually... no. Why sub a class that you can suppliment with another player? The classes you want to mix are the ones with passives / actives that mix well with your main. For example, if you played a HE, you would want to sub something like a PW (crit chance passives) or a Tyrant (attack speed) or a Warlord (increased pattack when hp is low).
Yes, you could sub a class that would make you a solo maniac. Not the best choice IMO.
Top choice imo will be Nuker with summoner sub, Transfer Pain and infinite mana from the recharge servitor. Uber for PvE and PvP.
Actually... no. Why sub a class that you can suppliment with another player? The classes you want to mix are the ones with passives / actives that mix well with your main. For example, if you played a HE, you would want to sub something like a PW (crit chance passives) or a Tyrant (attack speed) or a Warlord (increased pattack when hp is low).
Yes, you could sub a class that would make you a solo maniac. Not the best choice IMO.
Top choice imo will be Nuker with summoner sub, Transfer Pain and infinite mana from the recharge servitor. Uber for PvE and PvP.
Right, or something like tank + summoner. High pdef + transfer pain = near impossible to kill.
problem is a level 82 or 83 (based on the new bonuses for higher levels) will totally destroy someone who is 75 or 76. People with real lives rarely get to 78 and almost never past it. Ncsoft is just promoting botting because its inhuman to be able to grind on the same mobs for 4 months to get 1 level for 3 new skills and not want to blow your brains out.
People claim it is easier to level now have PoF, COV buff slaves and also have a bd, sws, and ee to level with that are boxed. Not every one can afford or have friends give them accounts and run 6 accounts to play a game.
and if the part of restricting your subclass to lvl80 and only your main class can hit 85 is true without a way to transfer your subclass to main I'll be quiting the game period, not going to waste anymore time as I didn't grind legitly to 80 on my sub just to get nerved like that.
I agree with my enemy :) They need to have a quest to switch your sub to your main class if they are going to cap subs at 80 & not to mention some main classes are so bad at olympiad it's just stupid not to have a fair shot at a large aspect of the game.
I think it's good you can only compete on your main
after all your main is what hero your going be....
not a valid argument for those who play this game longer then the introduction of the whole Hero fiasko (play this game since NA Closed Beta)
I don't like my main class (76 Dualist) anymore after playing it for 2+ years and I love how my subclass (79+ SM) plays and as such have zero intrest in lvling it any further or even bother to do Oly besides throwing points to allies.
doubt I'm alone in this and that there are plenty of people around that wish they could change their subclass to main if this increase max lvl really only apply to mains as so to have a chance to someday hit 82 and try to get some of that new gear/skill etc.
Please oh please wont someone from NCSoft listen to this man!
I think it's good you can only compete on your main
after all your main is what hero your going be....
not a valid argument for those who play this game longer then the introduction of the whole Hero fiasko (play this game since NA Closed Beta)
I don't like my main class (76 Dualist) anymore after playing it for 2+ years and I love how my subclass (79+ SM) plays and as such have zero intrest in lvling it any further or even bother to do Oly besides throwing points to allies.
doubt I'm alone in this and that there are plenty of people around that wish they could change their subclass to main if this increase max lvl really only apply to mains as so to have a chance to someday hit 82 and try to get some of that new gear/skill etc.
Please oh please wont someone from NCSoft listen to this man!
Haha, you don't have to ask, they never listen us :p
The only that listen us is Alyra <3
then go play WoW if you want a water downed mmo where you can reach the level cap in two weeks play time.
Honestly, if you want nearly every class to be the same, just go play WoW. i'm sure you'd *love* the way they do "balancing" for pvp.
And if you like WoW, then why are you here charm? In fact, why ARE you here? You obviously lament this game, so why are you here? shouldn't you be playing WoW?
You need some reading lessons real bad. And some common sense to go with that too, but sure, I'll answer you.
Selling the game license to another company for them to run it does not mean that it would be changed. It means that we might have active support and staff members, which we dont have at the moment. Blizzard has done lots more than just WoW and to think that every game they'd run is like WoW is ignorant and shows how narrow your mind is.
So sorry to burst your bubble, but I dont wanna play WoW. What I want, is a company that has support and staff to meet the needs of their customers. What a horrible thought that must be to you.
You might want to play some singleplayer game on the other hand, since you cant take differing opinions. I suggest Tetris, perfect for you.
Reading this thread makes me wanna quit too. I'm only 52 and leveling is already slowing down. My new grinding spot is in oren but the seeds price there is way too high, i dunno how i'm going to pay for ss. The only way i'm using grade B stuff is because ppl in my clan are lending me stuff.
It's just not fun. I cant even spam my skills, the only thing i use is my overhit button and just that makes me out of mana pretty quick.
Reading this thread makes me wanna quit too. I'm only 52 and leveling is already slowing down. My new grinding spot is in oren but the seeds price there is way too high, i dunno how i'm going to pay for ss. The only way i'm using grade B stuff is because ppl in my clan are lending me stuff.
It's just not fun. I cant even spam my skills, the only thing i use is my overhit button and just that makes me out of mana pretty quick.
I got news for you....NO class can spam their skills. Even Nukers, who by design pretty much have to, are limited by MP issues. (Hence all the boxed buff/rechargers.)
And as far as leveling goes, SS use is the fastest way to the bottom, and 1H blunt/sword goes there the fastest. It's a bit of a shame that the rampant bot/ebay abuse (and lack of GM enforcment) has created a situation where SS spam is not only expected, but pretty much a 'compulsory' action or you won't get groups, or level solo very fast at all. Some areas, are just too hard without it and 9 char groups as well... which pretty much drops any leveling speed below what 'the crowd' will tolerate these days. (Despite the fact that most of them look back at the 'no SS spam' days of cruma tower, like the first coming of Christ.)
For seeding though, at 52 you can substitute Schuttgart (Frozen Labyrinth) or Aden (lots of places) for Oren much of the time.
The only way i'm using grade B stuff is because ppl in my clan are lending me stuff.
Btw, you should check the weapon vendors for shadow weapons, there should become low B grade weps available to you at lvl 52 , which cost like 80k and last 6 hours. And at 56+ I think there becomes mid B weps available.
You cant SA them, but generally if your hunting the right mobs, you easily cover the hire costs for them.
Which is another point, search for the right mobs, check l2stratics mob listings, find mobs that are low pdef and green lvl to you (47-50ish)in order to maximize your exp/adena gain vs ss/time used(allthough unfortunately almost all of these type of mobs are found in Catas/Necros and are camped by automated farmer groups)
Failing that try to find herb dropping mobs in open field zones, these are less likely to be camped by automatons (but are likely to be camped by nuker/archer players)