+25 mil. ty

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i swear sometimes the L2 market is too easy

tallum leather for 4 mil (10k A crys)
lvl 56 mid for 1k adena
and an A grade weapon which i crushed and sold the crystals in under 5 mins
10k Acry for tallum leather o.O
406 for sealed tallum leather, a-crys on sieg go for 24k each which means that the tallum is worth (in crystals) 9,744,000a. Nice deal. No idea where you got the 10k a-crystals from though.
crystals for 10k
atm they are 15-20ish depending on which ebayer you manage to sell to
You may need to rephrase your entire first post because from what I now understand, based on your second post, is that you made an astonishing 60,000a by selling A-Crystals at a price of 10,000a each from an armor piece you bought for 4,000,000a (total crystal price at your rate, 4,060,000a).


You may need to rephrase your entire first post because from what I now understand, based on your second post, is that you made an astonishing 60,000a by selling A-Crystals at a price of 10,000a each from an armor piece you bought for 4,000,000a (total crystal price at your rate, 4,060,000a).



didn't think it was that hard to understand
i bought tallum for 4 mil (A crystals at approx 10k each) or as i would normally say it the armor had a crystal cost of 10k

anyway the point of the thread is about good market PVP days
Weak imo ;p
I bought 2 Hellfire Oils for 9 or 10m each (dont remember exact price). I used one for my noble quest and sold the 2nd for 60m ;)

Weak imo ;p
I bought 2 Hellfire Oils for 9 or 10m each (dont remember exact price). I used one for my noble quest and sold the 2nd for 60m ;)



why are those things so expensive on your server? :eek:

It's just 100 lava stones and 100 demon blood, and both is super easy to get...
At the risk of sounding like a complete idiot, I still can not understand how crushing A weapons can yield a profit.

For instance, lets say that Talum Blade sells for 40kk
A grade crystals for 15,000k

Talum Blade has 1464 A/g crystals

1464*15,000=21,960,000

So unless you find a sukka that sells the A/g weapon at below 22kk you still loose adena or it would be better off selling the full weapon at anything over the 22kk mark.

Or am I totaly wrong on this?
SOM on sieg = ~70m (2160 crystals iicr)

2160*24,000 = 51,840,000.

So yea, you're right - how the hell did he manage to crush an a-grade weapon and not lose money?
56 mid for 1k adena.. as in 1.000 ?
i seriously doubt that is true(intended)
unless you have worded it in the same weird way as the crystals

SOM on sieg = ~70m (2160 crystals iicr)

2160*2400 = 51,84,000.


a lot of things there that doesn't make sense

attempts to fix

2160*24000(assume you mean 24k and not 2.4k) = 51,840,000.

Well he's on Gustin for one thing, which is nuttsville as far as the market goes. For example, A crystals are running at around 18k atm. And the other day one guy was selling 2 blood tornadoes/focus for 10m each :O So if he bought one (idk who did, but they were snapped up asap - seller prolly scammed them or something) and crushed it, he would have made a good few adena.


56 mid for 1k adena.. as in 1.000 ?
i seriously doubt that is true(intended)
unless you have worded it in the same weird way as the crystals


yes 1k - 1,000a

don't know if it was mis priced and i don't really care since it was a farmer but i grabed it up since i may need them next chron



SOM on sieg = ~70m (2160 crystals iicr)

2160*2400 = 51,84,000.

So yea, you're right - how the hell did he manage to crush an a-grade weapon and not lose money?



um crushing a SOM huh, prolly not a smart move
maybe i should buy me some boss jewels and crush them for some easy money too :P

here's a tip on crushing weapons for profit
find the most gimpest under played classes in game and keep an eye on the price of their weapons
the practicality of course lies in if you should crush the item or resell it though, but when you can just buy an item and resell the crystals in minuets most of the time it will beat a week of trying to offload it for a few mil more
I've never considered a couple of easy buys from someone mispricing their stuff as particularly good marketing. It's fun to get a little windfall but that's not really the essence of marketing imo.

Developing a product or sales approach or improving on one already out there seems to me to be more hardcore than just stumbling across an underpriced weapon.

It would only take a new player 5 minutes to understand that if all top D-weapons sold for 4 million on his server, and if someone was offerring one for 1 million--that he should buy it. Okay....

find the most gimpest under played classes in game and keep an eye on the price of their weapons



Like what?

Sword? Needed by Glad and BD. Gimped classes? Nope.
Blunt? Needed by dwarf. Underplayed? No
Bow? Dagger? Staff? Which weapon exactly are you thinking of?
Fists?
No Tyrants on your server then?
Don't remember Tyrants on my server using Blood Tornado. The ones I've seen use Dragon Grinder instead (which isn't particularly expensive as well).

Dasparion Staff is another possible source of crystal-cheap weapon.
any low A grade weapon (1464 A crystals) would have to go for 35 or below
any High A grade weapon (2160 A crystals) would have to go for 51 or below

i haven't seen any weapons around that.
Carnage bow is regularly below 30m or close to 30m on Teon, kinda funny since BoP is around 32m :)
People don't waste materials crafting bottom A grade so the chance of having one of them around to crush is kinda low. The only ones you'll see are ones from full drops - again, another rare event.

So really, what A grade weapon are we talking about that's used by a "gimped or underplayed" class?
Seighardt has a very different economy that yours, Nanashi. I would venture to say your server's economy must be in some kind of really big slump.
Isn't bottom A on the market a byproduct of the subclass quest?


Isn't bottom A on the market a byproduct of the subclass quest?


not really because most ppl will go for the most expensive stuff which is kesh*kesh and skull breaker (mage blunt thingie?)
you get the odds low A weapon from epic raids and since for the most part noone uses them they will usually be cheaper than B grade

and yeah i forgot all about carnage bows, you can pick one of those guys up for 20 mil if you shop around ><

No Tyrants on your server then?



It was meant as a supplement to your list.

But I don't know if there are or not. All the ones I've known have rerolled other toons.

No Tyrants on your server then?



No tyrants on any server...LOL.

Fists are rock bottom prices and almost always equal out to crystal price compared to other weapons.

I like watching for Tallum LA too myself, goes for cheap usually since no one uses it.
the values i posted don't apply to any server other than sieghardt (they might, i dunno, but they probably don't)

from looking around a bit A crystals seem to vary from 15k all the way up to almost 40k on different servers.

about fists being cheap:
the money a tyrant saves on his weapon he pays for in shot consumption :P
Dama 60% recipe x2 in 1 day.... for hunting mobs on my sub it really is too easy
As far as crushing for A crystals... farmers do raidbosses and need to liquidate their wares into a form that doesnt take alot of space and doesnt take much effort to transfer.

Sure you could spend 5 weeks to sell a SoM for 70m, but then again the 50m in crystals u could easily unload you can use to buy out the market on a certain crop/mat. Ever see someone selling 1 billion AA?? or SOPS? or other mats that otherwise can be a pain to farm?

didn't think it was that hard to understand
i bought tallum for 4 mil (A crystals at approx 10k each) or as i would normally say it the armor had a crystal cost of 10k

anyway the point of the thread is about good market PVP days



Lol, that's ******ed.... A crystals are 10k each so this armor has a crystal value of 10k. What the hell is the point of saying that since everything Agrd in the **** game must have a crystal value of 10k then.

To get and items crystal value you gotta multiply the amount of crystals it gives by the cost per crystal.


As for markets I miss late C4/early C5 when everyone re-rolled Hawkeye. I bought 30-40 Maj light recepies for 1mil each and started crafting and selling.

Cost to craft: 6-8mil
Sell Price: 60-70mil

They were selling for 30mil ea before I started, so I went and bought the couple left in town and sold for the same price to clannies. Then put all mine at between 60 and 100mil in different shops. The 60mil ones got snapped up, thus setting a new market price and leaving me with a ton of cash. :cool:


As for markets I miss late C4/early C5 when everyone re-rolled Hawkeye. I bought 30-40 Maj light recepies for 1mil each and started crafting and selling.

Cost to craft: 6-8mil
Sell Price: 60-70mil

They were selling for 30mil ea before I started, so I went and bought the couple left in town and sold for the same price to clannies. Then put all mine at between 60 and 100mil in different shops. The 60mil ones got snapped up, thus setting a new market price and leaving me with a ton of cash.



now thats smart marketing!

totally cornered the market to his favor!

he has the supply, the demand was high, and he controlled the flow of cost by fluctuating the market so he could get the value he wanted out of it. :D
I once bought 1000 d crystals for 56a each. That was some really cheap clan armor.
Bah, sieghart's economy is crazy, sold an SoM yesterday for 80mil after setting-up shop for thirty minutes... O_o

If you want to make money all you have to do it watch grian for those desperate and impatient people who want to liquidize badly... you can usually get awsome prices from them and resell for a juicy profit. Window shopping until you see a mis-priced item or a very cheap item is also an old favorite.

The must lucrative is obviously crafting Ag or over-enchanting. Risky and crafting is time consuming, but good cash.

What really ****** me off is the farming system. I would love to cash into this, but the unmentionables have the manor system clogged and you have literally .001 secs to get your crops in or buy the crops you need.

I can't wait to sell all my extra gear on sieg's crazy economy and move to a server in depression where I can be Godly-rich. ^^


find the most gimpest under played classes in game and keep an eye on the price of their weapons



Like what?

Sword? Needed by Glad and BD. Gimped classes? Nope.
Blunt? Needed by dwarf. Underplayed? No
Bow? Dagger? Staff? Which weapon exactly are you thinking of?



Elemental sword... There isn't even a class for that weapon >>
Had that thing for ages. I couldn't even sell it for 30 mil.
But A crystals are nice too.
Yeah but your on Erica :p



As for markets I miss late C4/early C5 when everyone re-rolled Hawkeye. I bought 30-40 Maj light recepies for 1mil each and started crafting and selling.

Cost to craft: 6-8mil
Sell Price: 60-70mil

They were selling for 30mil ea before I started, so I went and bought the couple left in town and sold for the same price to clannies. Then put all mine at between 60 and 100mil in different shops. The 60mil ones got snapped up, thus setting a new market price and leaving me with a ton of cash.



now thats smart marketing!

totally cornered the market to his favor!

he has the supply, the demand was high, and he controlled the flow of cost by fluctuating the market so he could get the value he wanted out of it. :D



Nope thats creating a monopoly. Buying up all mats, recipes and left armorpieces to force people to buy his overpriced stuff.
People like that drive prices up for all other players to gain profit for themself. For me they on the same step as scammers.
but... you are a bh....
isn't that kinda the way to play your toon?

but... you are a bh....
isn't that kinda the way to play your toon?



My BH spoils key parts and recipes i need for my toons mostly some go for friends or clanmembers.
The few crafted spare things i sell often for a bit less then the market valure.
I craft most of my equip because getting the recipes and key parts its not hard for me the few i might not get i can still buy cheap.
So no i dont scam ppl off with overpriced items, i rather help them to avoid the high prices. The few things i sell i worked ( collect,spoil, manored ) myself for and didnt buy/get off soulless players.
I dont buy off specific things in order to create a monopoly to gain a huge amount of money nor have i time or fun for that.
I make money without playing the market just goin out hunt and spoil.


but... you are a bh....
isn't that kinda the way to play your toon?



My BH spoils key parts and recipes i need for my toons mostly some go for friends or clanmembers.
The few crafted spare things i sell often for a bit less then the market valure.
I craft most of my equip because getting the recipes and key parts its not hard for me the few i might not get i can still buy cheap.
So no i dont scam ppl off with overpriced items, i rather help them to avoid the high prices. The few things i sell i worked ( collect,spoil, manored ) myself for and didnt buy/get off soulless players.
I dont buy off specific things in order to create a monopoly to gain a huge amount of money nor have i time or fun for that.
I make money without playing the market just goin out hunt and spoil.



Don't take offence to this, but I must say, you must be one weird dorf.

Especially in this game, if you don't look out for yourself 1st, no one will.


Don't take offence to this, but I must say, you must be one weird dorf.

Especially in this game, if you don't look out for yourself 1st, no one will.



Why ? I dont need hundret of millions of adena and i have all gear i need to lvl.
I like to help ppl but that dont mean they get all free.
I dont see anything wrong with helping clanmembers or friends, sometime later it might pay back ( one hand washes the other ).
Also i have fun with collecting/ spoiling stuff myself its much more interesting then have all stuff given or already ready and hundrets of millions cash left and do a boring grind.

Who is better ? The rich one that gained wealth from the work other or the poor that share the little food they have with you because you got none ?
The rich one? ^^
the point is as a dorf you should be spoiling the rarest thing you can find and then trying to make someone cry with how much you charge

i doubt you will see many archers feeling bad when they 2 hit you or a necro preferring not to use anchor