scavanger or artision?

im almost lvl 20 and,i dont know which 1 to pick help me out plz.and why.

and who would win in pvp?

WS has better chance in PvP than a BH, but none of them is gonna be able to kill anything except healers and daggers if you get lucky.

If you want to make adena as a dwarf I would say go BH...I would had done it if I was gonna start a dwarf all over again.

im almost lvl 20 and,i dont know which 1 to pick help me out plz.and why.

and who would win in pvp?

PVP WS> BH

PVE BH>WS

Go BH and don't look back......later you can sub HE for PVP

o ok ty and can any1 show me a link to where can i find wat mobs i have to spoil for recipes and stuff

In my mind a Bounty Hunter vs. Warsmith thing boils down to this:
- A Bounty Hunter can make decent money from spoiling now
- A Warsmith can make a ton of money later
- A Bounty Hunter sees the leveling grind as killing two birds with one stone(spoils + exp)
- A Warsmith sees the grind as a means to an eventual end
- A Bounty Hunter heads out of town to make money
- A Warsmith stays in town to make money

Both are fantastic choices that open up all kinds of options in regards to getting to know the server community. Neither will make those around you salivate at the idea of partying with oyu but other than Warlords and Destroyers they are the best AoE'ers so folks can just suck it up and invite you or pound sand trying to pole by themselves.

PVE BH>WS

Why? They have the same P Atk, M Def, P Def, and Atk Spd? Sure the BH has slightly more HPs than the WS, but HPs isnt all its cracked up to be in PVE.

But the WS has the Golem at hs disposal. Sure if your looking for a party BH is wanted more cause of there spoiling. But if your talking specifically about soloing WS Wins out hands down.

o ok ty and can any1 show me a link to where can i find wat mobs i have to spoil for recipes and stuff

All the links ppl can give you will be blocked sorry... (well the good ones at least)

It hasnt been updated since c4 but it gives you all the Probabilities

http://www.l2base.com/index.php?section=start_items

ok thxa lot evry1 and tynker thanks also

In my mind a Bounty Hunter vs. Warsmith thing boils down to this:
- A Bounty Hunter can make decent money from spoiling now
- A Warsmith can make a ton of money later
- A Bounty Hunter sees the leveling grind as killing two birds with one stone(spoils + exp)
- A Warsmith sees the grind as a means to an eventual end
- A Bounty Hunter heads out of town to make money
- A Warsmith stays in town to make money

Both are fantastic choices that open up all kinds of options in regards to getting to know the server community. Neither will make those around you salivate at the idea of partying with oyu but other than Warlords and Destroyers they are the best AoE'ers so folks can just suck it up and invite you or pound sand trying to pole by themselves.

you don't play a dorf and 90% of your alliance ebays (the other 105 run bot trains for adena)

don't pick either
you will make more cash playing a nuker,archer, dagger, buffer, tyrant, destro.... the list goes on and on
as a dwarf you can beat healers that are too stupid to root/trance and run away and daggers who don't do kite and stab tactics (sometimes) every other class will roll you
any class in game who is smart enough to run and spam CP pots might as well be a raid boss so forget about pvp

Bh is the worst pvp class in game and the only thing allowing them to kill a mob every now and again is the fact that they can give away a large quantity of their spoils to other DDs and buffers in return for letting them leech in parties

WS is ok at soloing but is expensive as hell (remember dorfs don't make more money than other classes) and are slightly better at pvp (if the opponent is too stupid to kill the golem)

WS is ok at soloing but is expensive as hell (remember dorfs don't make more money than other classes) and are slightly better at pvp (if the opponent is too stupid to kill the golem)

Oh no my golem got killed
/useskill hammer crush
*stun lands*
/useskill summon mechanic golem

problem solved.

I wouldn't say that a BH are leaching more than a PP or a SE if the VR is enough to keep the HP full at all times.

you have the worst stun in game
try landing it against someone with any form of resist
if you manage to land stun and resummon (you can only resummon before stun wears off with near full end game buffs) gratz your golem is alive until the guy decides to target again and kill it in 2 shots (not that he needs to since an unbuffed golem is about as scary as a SE with a homu)

Depends what class I'm up against.

Tanks...np
Archers/Nukers...time to click to town
Daggers...30% chance of winning
Summoners...time to click to town
Healers...unless they root/sleep me and my summon they go down fast (after their MP has reached 0 :p ).
Warlord...np (just need to know where to put the golem)
Gladi, Tyrant, Destroyer...time to click to town
BH/WS...time to put on some coffee and read the news

Tanks...np
Archers/Nukers...time to click to town
Daggers...30% chance of winning
Summoners...time to click to town
Healers...unless they root/sleep me and my summon they go down fast (after their MP has reached 0 ).
Warlord...np (just need to know where to put the golem)
Gladi, Tyrant, Destroyer...time to click to town
BH/WS...time to put on some coffee and read the news

lol yeah sounds about right
but a well played tank should never lose to you, it's not that you can kill them or they can't kill you but in the time it takes a dorf to kill a tank they could have mailed for assistance from their clan (not email, snail mail :P )

daggers are sorta easy to kill for a WS, hope they miss a few stabs on the golem, pray you land a few stuns and its game over

you will never ever beat a well played summoner, if they know how to play they can out live your pots spam with full mp if they want :/

a healer should never be able to beat you but they can survive long enough to call for back up or just run away LOLing that they rooted/tranced you and now you can't touch them

you can easily beat a WL that goes toe to toe with you but once again if they have the intelligence to run away spamming cp pots you can't kill em

glad of equal lvl should never be able to kill you, even if every single skill crits you can still out spam their damage
they always have the option of running away (they can use dash but thats just overkill :/)

you can beat tyrants and destros with good use of reflect damage and amazingly fast pot spamming skills (gonna need elixers and QHP) you only get to do that a few times before they realize whats going on and start spamming pots slightly faster to drop you

if you ever come up against a BH or WS and you know they are equipped for PVP you might as well just bsoe on sight
it's always gonna be cheaper and safer to bsoe than to try and out spam another dorf

Tanks...np
Archers/Nukers...time to click to town
Daggers...30% chance of winning
Summoners...time to click to town
Healers...unless they root/sleep me and my summon they go down fast (after their MP has reached 0 ).
Warlord...np (just need to know where to put the golem)
Gladi, Tyrant, Destroyer...time to click to town
BH/WS...time to put on some coffee and read the news

lol yeah sounds about right
but a well played tank should never lose to you, it's not that you can kill them or they can't kill you but in the time it takes a dorf to kill a tank they could have mailed for assistance from their clan (not email, snail mail :P )

daggers are sorta easy to kill for a WS, hope they miss a few stabs on the golem, pray you land a few stuns and its game over

you will never ever beat a well played summoner, if they know how to play they can out live your pots spam with full mp if they want :/

a healer should never be able to beat you but they can survive long enough to call for back up or just run away LOLing that they rooted/tranced you and now you can't touch them

you can easily beat a WL that goes toe to toe with you but once again if they have the intelligence to run away spamming cp pots you can't kill em

glad of equal lvl should never be able to kill you, even if every single skill crits you can still out spam their damage
they always have the option of running away (they can use dash but thats just overkill :/)

you can beat tyrants and destros with good use of reflect damage and amazingly fast pot spamming skills (gonna need elixers and QHP) you only get to do that a few times before they realize whats going on and start spamming pots slightly faster to drop you

if you ever come up against a BH or WS and you know they are equipped for PVP you might as well just bsoe on sight
it's always gonna be cheaper and safer to bsoe than to try and out spam another dorf



I am talking about a 1vs1 PvP here where the player is actually fighting not a 1vs Clan PvP...no class in game can win in a fight like that....or against chickens that I see everywhere BSoEing/PR or run away. If running away or BSoEing is considered a win then I can pwn every class in game.

You are talking like I can't spam pots just like everyone and for a longer time than all of the classes.

If a gladiators skills crits I am history even if he is at the same lvl as me...if I can out pot around 3k-4k dmg that TSS does when it crits then I can out pot nukers and archers lol

I need to be lvl 77 to get the ripostate stans (reflect damage)...not many dwarfs that are that high (legit ones).

when do you actually see a real 1 on 1 fight besides olympiad? (where you can't spam pots and even the healers own you)

i'm trying to be realistic here
in real pvp when you fight most classes and are likely to lose you bsoe
when you fight a dorf and are likely to lose you run away laughing

when you fight a dorf and are likely to lose you run away laughing

I am usually the one laughing...the one running away should be crying and hope that his alliance don't find out that he lost to the most gimp class in the game.

I need to be lvl 77 to get the ripostate stans (reflect damage)...not many dwarfs that are that high (legit ones).

Don't have too much hope with this skill.
I have it for a long time now and I barely never use it in pvp. It's useless against most of the class wich use range or skill. It's usefull only if the one you are against don't use much skill. Also don't forgot that this skill nerf you speed & atk speed so the damage reflected have to be biguer what you lost in damage outpout.

(Usefull on tyran or destro or sometimes against bd/sws but not much more than that)

yeah it's not exactly impressive but i did miss it when NC decided it was time to bug it for a whole chron so it didn't reflect and although they have fixed it this chron the target which you reflect the debuff to now has a chance to resist it which is kinda a massive nerf compared to it's C4 status

stacking 70% reflect damage is always good for a laugh though :P

that kind of reflect damage = killer of frenzyusers, lol

PVE BH>WS

For the simple that that they make money while hunting as for summon ct1 is coming get a wolf or A wind hatchling and a BH has a summon also that lvls with it.

My BH use a Wind hatchling that's lvl 59 (BH is 59) so not that it's better at killing mobs so much is that you make more money while killing the mobs which make pve more rewarding. that's why i said

PVE BH>WS ;)

yeah it's not exactly impressive but i did miss it when NC decided it was time to bug it for a whole chron so it didn't reflect and although they have fixed it this chron the target which you reflect the debuff to now has a chance to resist it which is kinda a massive nerf compared to it's C4 status

stacking 70% reflect damage is always good for a laugh though :P

*sniff* i miss C4 ripost stance. it was so good back then but now i almost never use it as its basicly worthless. although the damage reflect is good against frezied destros :)

i also miss how olympiad was back in C4, i actually was able to win a good share of the matches in open class but fairly soon everyone that really competed started to get stunresist either as boss jewelry or majestic set ><.

yeah stun resist is a killer in PVP
should be slightly better with the changes to boss jewels but i'm sure you will still have to deal with the damage reduction

hmm considering that haveing bossjewelry also increases stun rate i hope it will increase damage too not just reduce it if the target have boss jewelry.

it wont
NC doesnt roll that way

BH>WS in PVE because they find parties more easily and they have the Fake Death skill which is awesome (in PVE).

BH>WS in PVE because they find parties more easily and they have the Fake Death skill which is awesome (in PVE).

hmm, depends. you might get parties esier, but a WS can solo esier and get good XP with the golem, its expensive but still ok i think.

BH = Parties

WS = Solo(ish)

i really hope we can all agree that no new player should ever pick either dwarf
getting pretty sick of the dorfs who cry all day about their class and then recommend it to new players :(

i really hope we can all agree that no new player should ever pick either dwarf
getting pretty sick of the dorfs who cry all day about their class and then recommend it to new players :(

Then NCSoft should change something in the description of the dwarfs:

" Characteristics: Dwarves are master craftsmen and boast of great physical strength."

If we have "great physical strength" then why do we have less DPS than a tank and have less STR than any other race (exept LE)?

i actually had to check if you were right about that because i often hear ppl say dorfs have high str - yes you are right dorfs have the lowest str next to LE

what is scary though is the amount of int we have
considering it's completely useless to us it only makes sense that NC made it so high (ignoring old school debuff resists)

+str - int dyes and a cookie for every dorf imo

EDIT: wit was the one that resisted debuffs but i had +wit back in the day and it done jack

for some reason they put physical strenght = CON not str. look at orcs i belive it is.

anyway, as for recomending dwarfs, i dont really recomend then, but i do like my MAestro actually. wish it was better in PvP but i do well in PvE imo. also i wish they had more skills to use.

We have the second lowest STR, but the second highest CON (LE are lower STR and Orcs are higher CON) so I think Xalya is right, they switched STR for CON, least in terms of the description.

I read the "strong physical strenght" as what it says "strenght". Yes we have the 2nd highest CON, but we can carry 4 times as much as the orcs. I know this is NCSoft and L2, but isn't strenght needed to carry items? How can you cary that much items if you are weak?

I'm not going to disagree with you, but one thing i've learned: Never, EVER, bring RL logic/physics into a video game :)

I'm not going to disagree with you, but one thing i've learned: Never, EVER, bring RL logic/physics into a video game

if we did hammer crush would one hit anyone in game
seriously who can survive a chunk of metal hitting them in the head that hard?

I read the "strong physical strenght" as what it says "strenght". Yes we have the 2nd highest CON, but we can carry 4 times as much as the orcs. I know this is NCSoft and L2, but isn't strenght needed to carry items? How can you cary that much items if you are weak?

on the other hand what does strenght matter if you quickly becomes tired?

and regarding RL to game, wth is up with stun shot? how the heck would you be able to stun someone with a arrow....

seriously who can survive a chunk of metal hitting them in the knee that hard?

You are dwarves.

seriously who can survive a chunk of metal hitting them in the knee that hard?

You are dwarves.




/wipe tears away

Honestly, if you look at things from our perspective...its not the knee that gets hit.

seriously who can survive a chunk of metal hitting them in the knee that hard?

You are dwarves.




/wipe tears away

Honestly, if you look at things from our perspective...its not the knee that gets hit.



non dwarf: *flags* Go away bot/shortie
dwarf: Got children?
non dwarf: No
dwarf:*/useskill hammercrush* To bad

and regarding RL to game, wth is up with stun shot? how the heck would you be able to stun someone with a arrow....

I know there existed some blunt arrows that had a small ball instead of blade as a tip that could knock out knights that was wearing a helmet, but usualy they ended up killing the target because te helmet was to soft to absorb the impact.

Ahaha. Well, that would give elves +40 damage resistance against dwarves. ;D

Ahaha. Well, that would give elves +40 damage resistance against dwarves. ;D

and orcs -20, cant be to hard to miss those.... :p