I haven't noticed a difference at all in exp. Some areas were made lower-level. Can you give specific examples?
I didn't notice a small pause between pickups either (if there is do you really think they did it to slow down the grind - even though they will later extend the level cap to 85?)
A clan mate seemed to think the drop rate had increased, he had a full helmet and gloves drop while he was hunting.
Even if it did take longer to level up, what does that have to do with 'real $ for adena'? If you don't like playing, don't play.
(if there is do you really think they did it to slow down the grind - even though they will later extend the level cap to 85?)
Of course. Same reason for both changes. Makes you stay and pay longer. Or so they think. In fact, ppl who want to stay, stay anyways, but these changes lead to a great deal of frustration, 3rd party programs usage etc. Not a healthy environment...
>>A clan mate seemed to think the drop rate had increased, he had a full helmet and gloves drop while he was hunting.
Like, on kamael in lowbie areas? =)
I haven't noticed a difference at all in exp. Some areas were made lower-level. Can you give specific examples?
I didn't notice a small pause between pickups either (if there is do you really think they did it to slow down the grind - even though they will later extend the level cap to 85?)
A clan mate seemed to think the drop rate had increased, he had a full helmet and gloves drop while he was hunting.
Even if it did take longer to level up, what does that have to do with 'real $ for adena'? If you don't like playing, don't play.
I'm with you I still pick up fast and XP is unchange .........Some one tell that guy he's not on PTS anymore.
I'm with you I still pick up fast and XP is unchange .........Some one tell that guy he's not on PTS anymore.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out when mobs are harder to kill, you will have to spend more time on each mob (than before) thus you get lesser exp and drops per hour.
My point is - shouldn't we get more exp and better drop rates from the newly "improved/upgraded" mobs as well?
no one's interested in your newbie land talks really.
I'm with you I still pick up fast and XP is unchange .........Some one tell that guy he's not on PTS anymore.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out when mobs are harder to kill, you will have to spend more time on each mob (than before) thus you get lesser exp and drops per hour.
My point is - shouldn't we get more exp and better drop rates from the newly "improved/upgraded" mobs as well?
no one's interested in your newbie land talks really.
I hunt Angles at WOA and I solo them. Anyone that has ever hunt there know Angles are hard they use ss and critt very hard. Yet after the update I can now solo 2 of them at a time and still get the same XP over 40k per mob Did you look at my sig none of my Players are low lvl
Even if it did take longer to level up, what does that have to do with 'real $ for adena'? If you don't like playing, don't play.
With current lousy drop rates (that lvl 80+ mobs drop only A grade parts and lvl 1 basic mats), the only way one can grind more efficiently and save real life time is by botting or pay real $ to buy an o/e weapon and better armors. However it's wrong and should be adjusted and avoided.
It applies only to legit players with higher levels (78-85) which I don't think you would understand anyway. If you don't like others to voice their opinions, go join the ****.
I hunt Angles at WOA and I solo them. Anyone that has ever hunt there know Angles are hard they use ss and critt very hard. Yet after the update I can now solo 2 of them at a time and still get the same XP over 40k per mob Did you look at my sig none of my Players are low lvl
Are you saying you couldn't solo 2 angels at woa until after the update that you get a lot more attack fails while mobs have chance to resist your nukes (assuming you solo by your SH)?? I seriously doubt it or maybe those angels did not get "updated".
I think it's just becasue my PW got Stronger I critt more now and Harder becasue of my passive Skill Critt rate is now +2 Power (just updated it in CT1) and the fact my evasion went up which is now 141 the mob is the same but I'm a lot stronger they miss me more. I had a Friend hunt them that was a AW with same buffs and he got beat up pretty bad he has Majestic Light thou and I have NM Light with my Critt rate and power with NM light I Self heal a lot more now. But the mobs are unchanged from what I can tell.
later I went to the Catta at DO and still the mobs were the Same I'm just a lot stronger now I love the passive skill enchants. I want go +3 hee hee
The slower pickup is a pain. In Pavel ruins on my summoner sub, if a mob drops adena, a mat, and 3 herbs, then my summons will have killed the next mob before I get to it. I do nothing but pick up after the cat. :(
like i said in the other post, the angels were lowered by 3 lvls
with the new crit/acc/evasion changes thats prolly why you kill quicker
ok cool but I still doing have a problem with pick up I leave a mess on the floor in catta about 20 to 30 mins worth of drops from a full rom of mobs and then I spam pickup the drops by holding down my key on my keyboard for teh shortcut and I still pick up just as fast as before.
What, is there like a secret setting for "pick up slow as hell?" that the rest of us checked? It's annoying as hell with herbs since as a sps I'm usually walking anyway, and if I get adena and a mat, then herbs, half the time the herbs are gone before I get to them.
WTB auto pick up when the mob dies, loot goes straight in inventory.
The slower pickup is a pain. In Pavel ruins on my summoner sub, if a mob drops adena, a mat, and 3 herbs, then my summons will have killed the next mob before I get to it. I do nothing but pick up after the cat. :(
dont get a dog. the pickups are worse. and the leavings smell horrid.
The pick up speed is definitely slower on the "live" version.
Silly annoying things like this needn't be applied to a supposed enhancement to a game. If this latest addition was described as a correction or rebalance then maybe we could accept such changes as an attempt to improve the game. Just secretly making changes is annoying and is almost like the designers seeing what they can get away with.
Maybe they were lagging before and are still lagging so they havent noticed the change... Or they havent even logged to the game.
I log on the last 3 days now and still just as fast.
Might be lag or they ISP lot people still downloading the game.
Doubt it.
I've got over 30 people (in my clan alone..) that are having the exact same issues we had on Test. From all corners of the US and Europe.
It *is* slower, just like we reported on Test. Then they released a patch, and it got a little better, but still nothing like it was on Live before CT1.
Too many people are having it for it to be ISP issues. Server side issues? That I'd agree with, especially considering after the first patch on Test it got better. (Meaning they did something to fix it)
could be server but then why I'm not effected in fact no one was even talking about it in ally just that they were getting a lot lag some were so bad they just logged off for the night.
could be server but then why I'm not effected in fact no one was even talking about it in ally just that they were getting a lot lag some were so bad they just logged off for the night.
could be server but then why I'm not effected in fact no one was even talking about it in ally just that they were getting a lot lag some were so bad they just logged off for the night.
Maybe they were lagging before and are still lagging so they havent noticed the change... Or they havent even logged to the game.
I log on the last 3 days now and still just as fast.
Might be lag or they ISP lot people still downloading the game.
I'm pretty sure that before you login you do 3 or 4 lines of coke, and thats why everyone else has noticed the -blatant- change to pickup speed, and you...have not.
I got bored and decided to create a character of every race to test it out.
It appears from my estimation, that pickup speed is now based upon attack speed.
Roll up a Orc Mage, and try to pick up...then roll up a Elven Fighter and pickup. You'll notice a vast difference.
Which might also explain why Ashley keeps thinking there is no difference, since shes a PW.. which is one of the fastest attack speeds in the game behind TH.
Why was this change made? Why was it not put in the patch notes, why oh WHY was it even required :X
I tried it with my unbuffed dwarf, with a test of dropping 10 stacks of BSS around me...noticed quite the difference between pickup button and /pickup macro, /pickup macro was as fast as the old pickup.
Maybe the pickup action button was changed into a movement, which is dependant on movement speed. (Perhaps thats actually it and not attack speed). Would make sense, the faster you move, the faster you pick up.
Yeah I never thought about WW speed differences.. which would still hold true as well since a PW is far faster then any mage, and again, one of the fastest classes in the game.
Would also explain why I noticed no big effect on Test w/ a SWS after the first "fix". WW2+Wind.
Maybe the pickup action button was changed into a movement, which is dependant on movement speed. (Perhaps thats actually it and not attack speed). Would make sense, the faster you move, the faster you pick up.
That's what I thought of. Try to experiment while being in a walk mode, stealth mode (if you're a dagger), while heavily overweight, wind walked/zerked, etc.
I think it's just becasue my PW got Stronger I critt more now and Harder becasue of my passive Skill Critt rate is now +2 Power (just updated it in CT1) and the fact my evasion went up which is now 141 the mob is the same but I'm a lot stronger they miss me more. I had a Friend hunt them that was a AW with same buffs and he got beat up pretty bad he has Majestic Light thou and I have NM Light with my Critt rate and power with NM light I Self heal a lot more now. But the mobs are unchanged from what I can tell.
later I went to the Catta at DO and still the mobs were the Same I'm just a lot stronger now I love the passive skill enchants. I want go +3 hee hee
ASHHH...tell me how to enchant passives =(...in pm please cuz I'll never find this thread again ^^)
It appears from my estimation, that pickup speed is now based upon attack speed.
the old pick up speed was based on attack speed, cast speed and run speed
if they did change it to only be based on attack speed it might explain why i didn't notice the change on my dorf (run and cast speed both suck)
Why would they make pickup speed vary with anything? I'm just gonna call this what it is- Stupid with a capital S. The devs should patch this at the first opportunity, IMO.
could be server but then why I'm not effected in fact no one was even talking about it in ally just that they were getting a lot lag some were so bad they just logged off for the night.
I'm pretty sure you're just delusional. TBH.
About alot of things TBH.
Maybe I just have a better system then some people ;)
Maybe they were lagging before and are still lagging so they havent noticed the change... Or they havent even logged to the game.
I log on the last 3 days now and still just as fast.
Might be lag or they ISP lot people still downloading the game.
I'm pretty sure that before you login you do 3 or 4 lines of coke, and thats why everyone else has noticed the -blatant- change to pickup speed, and you...have not.
Maybe I just don't nickpick about every dam thing about the game I just play it enjoy it you guys sound so dam bitter you miss the whole point of playing a game your just sad just like all the others that forget the point in playing is to have fun. If your not having fun then find another game. Make a macro that does the pickup for you then you won't even notice the picksups like me. yea it's a little (tiny bit) slower but no were near to the point you need QQ about it. Stop worry about what I do and look at your self maybe your in withdraw that's why your so sad. :p
the pick-up is waaaaay slower, not just a little bit (note: i typically have little to no lag, and ping 16-18 on bartz). it is definitely noticeable, and extremely annoying, particularly when you're pulling trains. that "tiny bit" of lag makes the difference between my char being able to pick up an hp herb or two and being roadkill.
btw, when did discussing changes in the game become nit-picking? what would you suggest we do, go blithely about our business pretending that everything is copacetic and exactly the same as it always has been? personally, i'd much rather hash things out with the rest of the community and know that i'm not the only one who is having these issues.
That's fine but don''t trash talk me becasue I'm not affected by the problem. that's the problem I have with people becasue I'm happy and carefree they want hate on me.
I'm sorry I just don't notice little things like that I play my Mp3's and enjoy the game now if I lag and died then i would be unhappy......unless i was on my kamael she needs to die she's out lvling my new wolf. :p
No, most people are unhappy with you because you're uncritically loyal to the game. You're blind to its faults, or at least pretend to be. People that are willing to be critical of the game to improve it are far more useful than any of the hundreds of comments since CT 1 you've posted reprimanding them. You aren't helpful. There are bugs, problems, and so on. Simply ignoring them doesn't get them fixed.
If you're happy with the game, go play it and leave the forums to others that want to make L2 better.
yea they are bugs and problems but I know work arounds for most of them and that is helpfull and this is not just about problems it's about helping also and I have help a lot I know they thank me all the time in game. People are unhappy with the game true and I try help out the ones on lionna best I can without putting a hurt on me. But a lot of the probllems are related to people systems also. The Game is Upgrading but people systems are not and they starting feel the blunt off it. The ones that are unhappy with me that's they problem not mind. You post what you want I post want I post what i want I will still be here long after the others are gone. :D
Ok now you're just being dumb, seriously can you stop? My pick up speed has nothing at all to do with the speed of my COMPUTER. See this is what is driving people nuts, the unfailing fanboi-ish defence of real, actual problems.
Maybe you don't care but if I fail to pick up needed herbs because my pick up is ******ed slow and I'm a ranged class, yeah I'm UNHAPPY about that.
Ok now you're just being dumb, seriously can you stop? My pick up speed has nothing at all to do with the speed of my COMPUTER. See this is what is driving people nuts, the unfailing fanboi-ish defence of real, actual problems.
Maybe you don't care but if I fail to pick up needed herbs because my pick up is ******ed slow and I'm a ranged class, yeah I'm UNHAPPY about that.
You have a real problem if you can't pick up a herb before it goes away. I can kill a mob with my PR then kill another mob and still have time pick up 3 to 4 herbs. That was done last night delay or not if you can;'t pick up herbs in time you need a new system. or ISP or something cause I just don't see that problems becasue I simply don;'t have the problem I pick up all the herbs and loot with no problems at all if I had One i would say that but I simply don't I'm sorry but I Do not have a problem with my pick ups. maybe it's your server I don't know but I don't have the problem your having with pick ups. And my PR love herbs like anyone else I have QR on my bow not CS so I need the Herbs and I get them with no problem.
Quit calling some one dumb because they don't have your problems I'm not dumb I just don't have the problems you have.
Yea I get lag but I get lag when theres a bad spike and when that happens seams like everyone on the server has the problem. Other then that people have lag and I don't and I have had some times (hardly happens) when I had bad lag and none of the people I'm with had lag at all.
WOW just think some people can have problems and others don't what a concept.
Everyone has different Computer setup different networks different servers and ISP and network cards and guess what they all has an effect on your game performance.
CT1 was a major update and it puts more of a strain on everyone system.
Use your warcrier, unbuffed, and go pick up. Its slooooow. Fast classes, like my sws and your PR have no trouble, its the slow ones that are hurting. My warlock moves in slow motion. Its not the computer, its the class. And the speed difference is pretty ridiculously large.
I've also noticed that there's sometimes a pause between picking up things, not sure why that is yet.
Use your warcrier, unbuffed, and go pick up. Its slooooow. Fast classes, like my sws and your PR have no trouble, its the slow ones that are hurting. My warlock moves in slow motion. Its not the computer, its the class. And the speed difference is pretty ridiculously large.
I've also noticed that there's sometimes a pause between picking up things, not sure why that is yet.
Best post that tells me the real problem I use a PW and WC and PR and Kamael and they all have ++dex from tatoos and my A grade SE buffing them. So yes I will try using my WS with no buffs or my WC with no buffs. can't use my BH she is ++++ dex also. then I will get back with you on the pick up lag becasue right now I have no problem
I meant dumb as in, you are refusing to understand that people are having issues unrelated to their system/isp/graphics card. Not dumb that you aren't having the problem. So guess what, none of that has anything to do with ANYTHING. It seems to be attack speed based now.
But still grats on being the most irritating troll ever. Oh and you may want to apply for a ncsoft support job, giving out lines of trash about your computer/isp/graphic cards seems to be their specialty.
Even on my BD (tallum heavy with Tallum*Dama + 4) with fury, haste, and zerk up (713 attack speed), I pick up hella slow. Its like I run to the drop and then stand there for 1 sec and then pick up. Attack speed "might" help it, but it is still extremely slow.
One thing we can all agree on im sure is that the item pick-up speed is far too slow and ultimately, needs changing back to the way it was.
To base pick-up speed on Atk. Speed is highly biased to melee and/or high DEX classes, and needs amending.
By all means you may be able to gather your drops and herbs before they 'disappear' but lets not forget the slow pick-up speed some players and their classes are experiencing, detracts from their overall gaming experience, which fundamentally, is the most important thing.
Yeah, when I accidently pull 5 mobs, not being able to pick up the pots quickly really hurts...of all the things to nerf this was not something I thought they would do. There was already a problem with people not picking things up because it takes to long, why make it slower?
The thing that gets me - if the pick-up rate was changed, it was changed for no reason. This does nothing but hurt players. It does not help them in anyway, it doesn't slow down bot trains if that is the reason why the change was made.
I do believe this change was made because of bad programing by the developers - included in this is the memory vacumn issue that people have.
Ashley: The issue that people have is that NC listed a min requirements for playing L2 -but people (including myself) have a lot of issue with the CT1 launch with hardware that is well above the min requirements.
And ditto what Ellie said - if you want a job with NC don't come to the boards and be a fan boi - if anything it just gives them reasons not to hire you.
Whats funny (to me at least is..) my computer runs Crysis pretty good. Not at omfguber detail, but at 1600X1280 with 4XAA it runs it decently.
L2 on the other hand.....its just bad programming, pure and simple. They've taken the Unreal Code and totally screwed it up. Can you fix some of it? Sure, but it requires unencrypting files which of course is a big no no ;/
So, whats your system and ISP connection? I'm rocking a 24mb connection, c2d 6600+ with a OCd GF 8800 GTS and I'm _very_ much affected by this pickup slowdown.
LOL I'm Troll you can talk...........You need help....bad.
Anyway I tried my wc with no buffs and she pretty much sucks at everything with no buffs but then she's a WC it's dumb hunt with no buffs. My Pw picks us fast as hell still np there. my Glad I notice was slower at picking up then my pw but not to the point I can't deal with it. Tryed my SE was slow at picking up and yes that bugged me but I put on WW and he was lot Better not fast as my PW but no biggie.
Then I tryed my SH which I have ww but in walk mode for faster MP regen. picking was so bad I just stop picking up and just nuked everything. Is it slower then before I have say on my SH yes I was never that dam slow picking up it was like a delay was added. After I was done hunting I grab my PW ran tot eh area and pick up the loot just fine. I think the pickup has something to do with your run speed not attack speed. Did they put a delay I would have to say yes from playing my sh but it's still not noticeable on my pw but she does have 42 Dex and self buff ww2 which i always have on.
If this the way they going keep it I can just retire my SH no biggie but I can see how it will be a problem for others.
If this the way they going keep it I can just retire my SH no biggie but I can see how it will be a problem for others.
So you'll retire a char just because ncsoft f-ed up and made pick up slow for some classes?
I have to agree with you there EllieBelly.
To retire a character based solely upon that facts seems a little silly; all that work, time and effort gone to waste for nothing!
Some may say "well you have retired you SH, Eggy." but my reason for doing so are based on the fact iv rolled so many **** characters... get to A Grade or close to, then re-roll again, it's like my 3rd SH and im just bored of the class, as well as multiple other classes (*~*).
Don't give up on a character you like for something so silly, who knows if enough ppl continue to complain about it NC might actually get something through that extremely thick skull of theirs... but we can only hope (~_~).
Since NCSoft has not come on here and said that the pick-up rate was not changed, does that mean it was. Heaven forbid they actually post an answer to a question that has 7 pages of posts.
If this the way they going keep it I can just retire my SH no biggie but I can see how it will be a problem for others.
So you'll retire a char just because ncsoft f-ed up and made pick up slow for some classes?
I have to agree with you there EllieBelly.
To retire a character based solely upon that facts seems a little silly; all that work, time and effort gone to waste for nothing!
Some may say "well you have retired you SH, Eggy." but my reason for doing so are based on the fact iv rolled so many **** characters... get to A Grade or close to, then re-roll again, it's like my 3rd SH and im just bored of the class, as well as multiple other classes (*~*).
Don't give up on a character you like for something so silly, who knows if enough ppl continue to complain about it NC might actually get something through that extremely thick skull of theirs... but we can only hope (~_~).
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Eggy ^_^
What's the point if they not complain about the game they are complain about over powered nukers so they nerf sleep and other skills my SH has. My SH use to be fun to Play but every update makes it less fun to play more people complain about mages being over powered but that's what a mage is and always has been overpowered but they stay in the back ground because they die easy. Retiring my SH has been a long time coming CT1 just sealed it that's all.
It's not the First I retired I deleted my EE Amazon that was 60+ because she was so gimped from using all her sp to level the clan and was hard to level solo even with my SE. But she has been remade as a Kamael and so far I love it. I went from 20 to 28 fast just soloing a few RB :D