I would say Soul Brekaer, but PvP wise it seems Berserker is the top pvp class of the Kamael.
Soul breaker is weird, part magician (2 self empowers and some nukes) and part fighter (some high dmg rapier skills, almost like that of the dagger.
Berserker is... well, people talk about: dash & disarm as the most incredible skills he has. It seems they work wonders in PvP.
Well as a beserker you want to use as first approach
shoulder charge, disarm, back up, blade rush-contagion-crushing blow, dark smash and that should end it...
now if shoulder chrage doesn't land, depending on the class you are fighting you have a 20% to a 80% chance of winning becuase you get stunned easily and have low hp
which to fix people may
C grade -4strength +4 con, plated leather, health weapon
B grade -4 stregthn +4con, blue wolf, health weapon
A grade -4strength, +4con, majestic, Health weapon
S grade not tats, draconic, health weapon (if possible)
s80 who knows?
Back in L2 after QUITE some time.. and i was really troubled on choosing class.My Male kamael is lvl 20 right now..going to take a while for 40 but i gotta make my mind now.
I wanted to go Berserker, liked the idea of high dmg etc.Soul breaker looks very nice as well tho.
I saw this 'review' here http://www.l2guru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=94610 and it kinda made me change my mind about berserkers and ppl generally say that Soul Breakers are the only "good" thing that will come out of this race.
Anyone that tried both?Crying out for suggestions :)
SOul breakers are only good at 60+ when they have checkmate but then that's only by chance that they win other than they they're good for kamael party with BD/SwS and CoV
And what about pve?Since till 7x got allllot of way to go..looking at skills i can say that Sould Breaker is maybe 'less boring' compared to zerker... and more interesting, but kinda like zerker style more!
Hell... confused :P no way i'm gonna ever make my mind!
For SOulbreakers you mainly want to fight in 1x or 2x mob areas as soloing in the cats is very difficult and a little manageble with buffs as a soulbreaker you are a support class you are like a BD but more useful to kamael *IE some kamael only buffs*
Inspectors/judicators are aswell a support class they're basically soulbreakers with more buffing/healing and less attack power
Thanks ALLOT knight, this will surely help me and others on deciding!
What about the "fun" factor i mean.. which class makes the grind "less dull"?A very subjective matter.. i know, and tbh for players that don't 'Johny Walker' their way to 7x the grind is a really rough road, don't want to pick a class that i will regret later on.
Beserker is fun cause you can rush everywhere.. when you first do it you get a thrill out of it!
And you get to annoy your party members and make them look slow and worth as you rush and kill before they get in a hit (unless your in cats)
also they're good for chasing down reds except if you use dash you'll only get a foot closer
when you use effect rushs you get damage in each time
like when chasing someone you can hit off a blade rush then again a shoudler charge and so you bleed and stun them then you can pull of a crushing pain and contagion and they should die
Spell breaker is a full DPS class with only 1 real party buff for kamael. Rest of the soul breakers skills are revolved around doing damage and CC 1 part Dagger User, another part Mage. Investigator is a buffer class with full party buffs, some DPS rapier skills but primarily a melee buffer.
Beserker is a short range fighter, right up in the action pew pew like a destroyer except stronger when in full power. Not much to say, Pew Pew. You charge things you hit them they die. Nice balance between 1v1, and group with their charge skills and the such. In sieges they will probally be very lethal to a clothie unaware of their incoming doom, much like that of a destroyer fully buffed, cept a Soul Breaker supporting a fully buffed zerker will be even more lethal~
Soulbreaker is a mid range fighter, hang out with the mages and healers using spells and the such to keep fighters out of a casters range supporting Kamael fighters with that 1 buff also. Their skills are awesome for group pvp and 1v1, but in sieges probally will have a hard time until you really get used to siege warfare with it. Most versatile.
Arbalest are also mid range but only due to their lack of long shot as far as I can tell. More like a mage then a fire and kite archer since they rely on their low reload time to deal in the damage. In a siege would probally be treated like am age with a little more survivalbility and runspeed to back off if need be. 1v1 and group I wouldnt be able to tell atm since I dont know much about arbalest skills.
I would say Zerker and Soulbreaker are excellent for solo PvE while arbalest is more of a group PvE since they probally dontwant to kite always.
Just my 2 cents based on the skills each class has and not in play testing. Like with any class you can push the limits of what you can achieve in more situation based on your understanding of your skills and how they work to your advantage... besides getting killed in a cheesy way.
Edit: when it comes to soulbreaker also your strengths change a little, A male soul breaker would do more dmg with their rapier but a female soulbreaker will have a little more crit/speed with added tatoos to increase the bonus~ Playing to the strength of your sex would probally be worth it as an SB~
like when chasing someone you can hit off a blade rush then again a shoudler charge and so you bleed and stun them then you can pull of a crushing pain and contagion and they should die
Target xxx has resisted your stun. Target xxx was unaffected by your bleed. You're stunned. "Click back to village." That's how it goes in the real world.
Well yeah.. especially for bleed, don't know how the math goes for that skill's chance to land etc... but especially for endgame it's even less likely to land and that will be a problem since contagion is the only(?) strong skill that you can relly on, but not everyone can be epiced out with boss jewerly anyway.
After lots of reading and thinking so far i'm +1 for SB.. looks more complicated and fun overall.But in the end i may end up making a zerker.. :eek:
like when chasing someone you can hit off a blade rush then again a shoudler charge and so you bleed and stun them then you can pull of a crushing pain and contagion and they should die
Target xxx has resisted your stun. Target xxx was unaffected by your bleed. You're stunned. "Click back to village." That's how it goes in the real world.
Or not. If the stun lands and they unleash all the high power skills... :eek:. Dunno why but Kamaels seem like glass cannons to me..
I can already picture a zerker suicidal party(+5 str+4dex -9 con?or just str.. ) charging into the crowd ^^.. well surely some clothies will 'bleed' :p.The zerkers will surely die in seconds.. but does anyone remember a destro surviving for long anyway?Just take some with you and die, i guess that's how it's gonna be in mass pvp(always assuming).
Anyway.. as for pve from what i heard so far, zerkers will be more laid back expers .. i mean soloing cats with just pots? That's awesome!
Arbalest are also mid range but only due to their lack of long shot as far as I can tell.
They dont have LongShot, theres is called IncreaseRange. Plus they have SharpShooting: Temporarily increases Accuracy, P. Atk., range of attack, and critical attack rate when a crossbow is equipped. Immobilized while in effect. <~Like the HE's Snipe.
So, i assume they will have the same range as normal archers, but i dont know this for sure.
Or not. If the stun lands and they unleash all the high power skills... :eek:. Dunno why but Kamaels seem like glass cannons to me..
Like Crushing Pain and Dark Smash or whatever it was? Unless you get the bleed in, no Contagion and those 2 other skills are the same as a Destro doing Crush of Doom and Fatal Strike in a row. Not gonna kill anything at high lvls. Contagion could be equaled as Armor Crush(which is way better) and that one AoE attack with 4k power is pretty much equal to Earthquake. So no, I dont see them killing anyone like that. Unless you gank lowbies, but then again, pretty much every class can gank lowbies.
Kamaels are glass cannons. Low con, no heavy armors, no shields, reduced healing power.
"""In pvp ...dont do it till you have soul gathering and always carry so spirit ore incase of ganking so you have fresh souls for defending your self"""
Someone else also mentioned a skill that you supposedly get at lvl 46 called "Soul Gathering".. maybe that's the one.But why i can't see that skill anywhere in the Kamael skill tree?Maybe it was just for the PTS and now they removed it?Or he means the "Life to Soul" skill(doupt it)?
Someone else also mentioned a skill that you supposedly get at lvl 46 called "Soul Gathering".. maybe that's the one.But why i can't see that skill anywhere in the Kamael skill tree?Maybe it was just for the PTS and now they removed it?Or he means the "Life to Soul" skill(doupt it)?
Confused :S
im confused abou it too..
searched hardly and I couldnt find that skill on any of possible levels on trooper/zerker/sb
Soul Gathering is a lvl 46 skill that consumes 10 spirit ore and fills your soul count to the max. It has a pretty long cooldown, around 20 minutes that I recall.
I played both at high lvl on PTS and I can tell you now
PVP Zerker> SB
PVE Zerker > SB
Group PVP Zerker > SB
SB is a support class nothing more nothing less
If you don't mind being a Support class and grouping for XP go SB (SB can grind find in the lower lvl but like most classes it get harder at higher lvls)
I keep hearing about zerkers being so good in pve, if so why is that? And at some point you will want to party in order to exp anyway..
And i think SB's are great for pvp as well.. just more like 1vs1 situations.. dunno.And surely they can do some "damage" in mass pvp as well.They have the steal divinity which works like cancel, removes 7 buffs minimun(or up to?)
Zerkers are a pretty similar class with destros but kamael moves faster, does less dmg, dies faster and there comes stun too :/
Kamy is lvl 30 now, 10 lvls then i will really have to decide.Can't tell that i'm sure on what to choose.. meanwhile i will keep reading your opinions.
Soul Gathering is a lvl 46 skill that consumes 10 spirit ore and fills your soul count to the max. It has a pretty long cooldown, around 20 minutes that I recall.
On PTS I never lost to a Sb NEVER! when i fought in the cats one time I had 2 SB's and a arblestor tailing onto me I left for one second to pvp with a tyrant and then I turn around and there they are just waiting like pets waiting for their master to go back to work
They can't pve effectively from what I've seen or pvp effectivally either if a zerker can take down 2 SB's at once without barely losing their 100cp that's a problem
Arbelestors are deserts there are some melted choclate arbies some cream pie arbies some soft pudding arbies some jelloey topped with whipped cream arbies some icecram cherry topped arbies*those are the toughest ones* LOL but Zerker owns compared to the other kamael Now with the rest of the races... that's a different story
Honestly, I never lost to a zerker or an Sb on PTS playing an Arbelester and that was before Arbs missing skills were added. Too many people on PTS tried to play them like the old classes. The person behind the toon has a lot to do with how effective a class is in PvP.
:)) it was fun to read all that . i can asure you all That nobody know how to play soulbreaker. SB have crazy amount of usefull skills. Its not a clas f1 f2 f3 down. SB is much more than support for kamaels. There is so much combinations to kick [censored] melee and mages oO.surender to darkness , deatch mark , shadow bind HP down , and down OK ur close u know what hapened when u have 50% of hp left ?CHECk MATE. top skill power = 5k and more. SB is not a peace of [censored] pplz. Steal divinity that crap steals all ur buffs . ww+ hard marsh runspeed 195 what u all think its kinda crap ingame ? no shiet
Actually I have to agree with Ifaz. While SB's does not own like some freakin gladiators or Hawk Eyes, they are definitely far from that weak as you can immagine from these posts so far.
I do not expect to go on a killing spree on siege battlefield, my personal aim is a small scale PvP & 1vs1 and SB seems perfect for that so far.
My opinion might change when I will hit some higher levels tho.
And about berserkers ownage... In my clan and among my friends there are plenty of people that dropped B grade Berserkers complaining that that class is a total gimp.
If we would only count HP, then DE's wont be much of a difference from Kamaels. And dont give me that healing **, kamaels dont have so much HP, to need that uber heals. It's actually fair enough.
And please lets not forget incomming CT1.5 in which all kamaels are greatly boosted or so I've read many times.
And please lets not forget incomming CT1.5 in which all kamaels are greatly boosted or so I've read many times.
I've also read several threads stating the same... where is the info coming from? I tried to find the "translations" as they would call it, but no luck yet.. anyone have a link or anything to the patch notes?
And about berserkers ownage... In my clan and among my friends there are plenty of people that dropped B grade Berserkers complaining that that class is a total gimp.
At what point of B grade did they stop playing? I'm willing to bet they never waited for Crushing pain or got into A grade for Contagion.
And I think anyone who says the berserkers are gimped truly don't know how to play the class OR was expecting them to be ultra-uber like Archers or something like that.
At least one of them did and he says that its very hard to land that Contagion and other skills is simply not enough.
Anyway, I don't have opinion about Berserkers, because I didn't see them in pvp action so far and didn't rolled one myself in PTS... But for some reason everybody keeps telling me, that Berserkers just don't have enough DPS to break the potion spam.
By the way, if the patch notes translated in guru are full and correct, then I do not see how kamaels are going to be "fixed" or "boosted" apart for a few new skills (which I do not find so greatly amusing to call it "a great boost for kamaels"). Maybe Final Form will be /win skill now..
I was expcting something like power increase for existing skills.
Ok I got a Beserker to 68 on Pts and I pvped alot of times and here are my results
If the enemy has a good stun, you have a big disadvantage. options are use toggle, hard march and spam shoulder charge and attack skills
Blade Rush+Contagion is a deadly combo but it has about a 70%chance to work. But if it lands you'll be very happen as you can spam CoP,Contagion,Dark smash and the fight will be over super fast.
Storm assualt is worthless
Spread wing is worthless
Beserkers own mages
Beserker own other Soulbreakers(perhaps they still couldn't play them right) and arbelestors(most try to escape after shoulder charge dark smash, CoP, many don't make it) They own BD,SwS(who doesnt?) They own dwarves(Who doesn't?) Agains't daggers it can go either way, agains't the main 3 archers you have a chance to win if they don't have full buffs
Agains't Glads if you play em right they'll win
Agains't tyrants no
Agains't tanks HA! no
Agains't destroyers...o that's funny
... however thats when you don't mess with your stats, I feel sorry fot those beserkers with -9con ouch