Hey y'all. First time ever leveling a tyrant coz Im bored.
All I read in here is Bison this, Bison that. Now you only get it at 68 and seems like the most popular tatoo setup would be +5str +4con -9 dex. As the subject says is it a must ? Can I still level a tyrant fairly well with +5str +4dex -9 con even post 68? PvE wise only of course.
I just dun like the idea of level at 30%, or 60% for that matter, hp... Id rather have lower hp but keep it at 100% with vr + heals. Is this possible ?
u absolutely dont ... i made a thread in my clanforum, showing stats and stuff in my motherlanguage so i wont post it here unless u understand german but the essence is, tyrant with bison dont beats the hawk type (100% hp focus weapon) in dps, even @ 30%
in tallum heavy
100% hp Hawk+Zealot+Demon Splinter Focus no enchants+haste2+zerk2+fury+fistfury+might only
VS
30% hp bison+zealot+Baium+Sobekk Hurricane RSKHASTE no enchants+fury+haste2+Zerk2+fistfury+might
... results from l2calc... vs lvl 80 TK +56 PP buffs songs and dances
Damage per Second 266.2 Chance to Hit 98% Hits per Second 4.57 Critical Chance 22.3%
Damage per Second 451 Chance to Hit 98% Hits per Second 5.07 Critical Chance 44.2%
in tallum heavy
100% hp Hawk+Zealot+Demon Splinter Focus no enchants+haste2+zerk2+fury+fistfury+might only
VS
30% hp bison+zealot+Baium+Sobekk Hurricane RSKHASTE no enchants+fury+haste2+Zerk2+fistfury+might
... results from l2calc... vs lvl 80 TK +56 PP buffs songs and dances
Damage per Second 266.2 Chance to Hit 98% Hits per Second 4.57 Critical Chance 22.3%
Damage per Second 451 Chance to Hit 98% Hits per Second 5.07 Critical Chance 44.2%
LOL
no, bison still wins with those numbers.
Make it fair and remove the Baium ring from the Zealot calculation...how many can afford that ring anyways,,,I can only dream about it as I don't even have nearly 1/10 of 1 billion adena they are asking for it. Also give them both same weapon.
in tallum heavy
100% hp Hawk+Zealot+Demon Splinter Focus no enchants+haste2+zerk2+fury+fistfury+might only
VS
30% hp bison+zealot+Baium+Sobekk Hurricane RSKHASTE no enchants+fury+haste2+Zerk2+fistfury+might
... results from l2calc... vs lvl 80 TK +56 PP buffs songs and dances
Damage per Second 266.2 Chance to Hit 98% Hits per Second 4.57 Critical Chance 22.3%
Damage per Second 451 Chance to Hit 98% Hits per Second 5.07 Critical Chance 44.2%
LOL
no, bison still wins with those numbers.
Make it fair and remove the Baium ring from the Zealot calculation...how many can afford that ring anyways,,,I can only dream about it as I don't even have nearly 1/10 of 1 billion adena they are asking for it. Also give them both same weapon.
the poster actually stated Focus weapon, and Hawk totem. i used Tallum Heavy as it is (by most) the armor of choice with +8% atk speed. Baium ring was in both calculations. buffs remained the same except Hawk vs Bison. the poster also mentioned 100% hp Hawk.
as you can clearly see theres a world of difference.
the debate now, is, why didnt i put Dragon Grinder/health on instead? cause the numbers would be similar. yes i tipped the scales, in favour of RSK haste.
well im -9con and if i xp i do it on bison most the time
also if you really think that zealot is better then 30% bison you should just go and play your tyrant
at 60% hawk and bison are already rather similar in terms of damage output
but at 30% bison is far superior to hawk
at least withouut bossjewels with full boss jewels the damage multiplier of hawk will get hughe under fullbuffs but id think bison will stay ahead due to the high critrate
If u wanna compare the strats, u have to use COMPLETELY different equipments... first of all i dont know why u put in Zealot. u can activate zealot every 8 minutes if u activate it everytime with max atk speed (chakram risk haste puma etc) 2nd tyrants play in light armor, so u got (esp. with ct1) 130++ evasion so dont always look at the dmg aspects. 2nd, u aint always maintank or solo / duo playing, if u do, remember that this is a mmo so if u wanna experience high lvl areas like 4s, dino island, mos, fog playing with -9con on bison is suicide strat because u are 1 hit for everyone... 3rd u never stay <30% so, u cant calculate with 30% all the time u r at least >50% of the time >30% ... yes,1000+ dps looks very desirable, but u should look at all faktors at pvp, too ... with -9 con u wont kill anything beside a sws maybe ;) if ur opponent is skilled
i calculated a lot with the tyrant so trust me when i tell u that the hawk strat DOES beat the bison strat in many cases and, if u are a party player is the strat of ur choice and is much more relaxing to play ... if i had the money for a ds with focus too i would choice that strat for sure
If u wanna compare the strats, u have to use COMPLETELY different equipments... first of all i dont know why u put in Zealot. u can activate zealot every 8 minutes if u activate it everytime with max atk speed (chakram risk haste puma etc) 2nd tyrants play in light armor, so u got (esp. with ct1) 130++ evasion so dont always look at the dmg aspects. 2nd, u aint always maintank or solo / duo playing, if u do, remember that this is a mmo so if u wanna experience high lvl areas like 4s, dino island, mos, fog playing with -9con on bison is suicide strat because u are 1 hit for everyone... 3rd u never stay <30% so, u cant calculate with 30% all the time u r at least >50% of the time >30% ... yes,1000+ dps looks very desirable, but u should look at all faktors at pvp, too ... with -9 con u wont kill anything beside a sws maybe ;) if ur opponent is skilled
i calculated a lot with the tyrant so trust me when i tell u that the hawk strat DOES beat the bison strat in many cases and, if u are a party player is the strat of ur choice and is much more relaxing to play ... if i had the money for a ds with focus too i would choice that strat for sure
no, i can keep zealot up cycling around 4 mins and i can keep my HP below 40% rather easily.
the pvp build for a tyrant can work two ways: Blaster Spam, or Bow. to do the bow, you need to learn to cycle Zealot+bison quickly, as well as have more than Baium ring.
by the way, the calculations i used involve the use of a BD and prophet. NOT having one for either pve or pvp will result in you FAILING. in pve the prophet is what keeps me down around 40%HP, the BD spams pickup between dances.
im staying <30% without bd or 78+ pp ... not everyone got cov and a bd of ur choice, in party where u need a tank u wont stay at <30% as long as u solo or duo with a bd its far the best build...
p.s. @ teon u have to pay 2kkk adena for a baium ring so if someone doesnt wanna use illegal internet services like hell no one could afford that
but i dont wanna start a flame wars here , i just experienced the none bison strat as a very good strat and dont know why there should be an this and only strat (bison) as long as it doesnt get beaten in some cases and for my part, as long as u arent powerlvling in pagan/catacombs/rift/woa solo or duo, i just hate it seeing all that "wth tyrant pwnz" and looking at tyrants running around with -9dex + tallum heavy with 160 running speed ... this is a very good class, with many choices how to play... make UR choice
its really not that hard to do a bison tyrant with -9 con
pagan is highlevel "solo" area for tyrants and can be done with bison and -9 con easyly and if you know what your doing youll stay below 30% all the time
in fog i only played aoe on my dorf so im not sure what buffs id need to migate the incoming damage there to make bison safe
in mos and 4sep i would go with a bow and 60% bison and an archer group or so i did that acouple times and it worked nicely
-9con on bison is risky and i did die alot especially when figuring out how things work but its really not that bad i usually took prophet res when i was exping wiht bison and died you dont loose that much time anyway but you get some sp so you can actually afford your skills when you ding
im pretty positive that u can "feel" the effects of bison, ogre, wolf and rabbit with non-fist weapons, u just need to equip fists to activate them. never had a tyrant so i cant be 100% sure, so this can be wrong, can someone plz confirm?
ps: i dont think that going +4dex-4con is wise on a tyrant. u dont get that much more atk speed, speed, evasion or crit. a tyrant can boost each one of those using puma, rabbit/wolf, or hawk depending on the situation. if u want to use bison with -con, +5str is enough imo
i dont know on what server YOU are playing, but since c5 tyrants auras dont work with other weapons then fists so these bow tyrants dont work anymore
bison works with bow. hawk does not.
to do it properly you FIRST put on fists, THEN use bison, THEN switch to bow.
also, Sobekk's hurricane provides 11% RSK HASTE. compared to Bellion cestus and Chakram, Sobekkks hurricanes provides the BEST bonus of RSK haste.
you dont need baium ring, i know. but its effects are too good to pass up. whenever possible i suggest you ask your Clan to help you defeat Baium a bunch of times and take the ring. every S grader should have one.
whenever possible i suggest you ask your Clan to help you defeat Baium a bunch of times and take the ring. every S grader should have one.
good luck on killing Baium when he is camped when ever the spawn window opens and if you even try to kill him you will get PKed, Baium will be healed from the floor bellow and you will have a war against you before you even can say "wth".
whenever possible i suggest you ask your Clan to help you defeat Baium a bunch of times and take the ring. every S grader should have one.
good luck on killing Baium when he is camped when ever the spawn window opens and if you even try to kill him you will get PKed, Baium will be healed from the floor bellow and you will have a war against you before you even can say "wth".
whenever possible i suggest you ask your Clan to help you defeat Baium a bunch of times and take the ring. every S grader should have one.
good luck on killing Baium when he is camped when ever the spawn window opens and if you even try to kill him you will get PKed, Baium will be healed from the floor bellow and you will have a war against you before you even can say "wth".
get a better clan then.
I like being in a neutral PvE clan so I won't change clan not even for 2 billion adena.