Ok, I am sick and tired of watching clans feed themselves in oly. It's pretty much is who can feed themselves more. It is absolutely boring. Especially when the complete noobs get hero just cause they got fed more. It's ridiculous.
NCsoft should implement something where you cannot fight people in your clan or ally in the oly. Being as it is, people in the clan or ally just feed each other. There is no competition. This would somewhat reduce the feeding frenzy and force people to actually fight for hero instead of feeding their clannies.
oly will never be perfect or fair, but it is sooo much better this update than previous updates. open oly is actually fun on nights with everyone signing up.
theres no rule saying you cant help friends/clannies in oly anyway :)
No olympiad matches between clan/ally members is in Kamael+ patch, isn't it?
That makes things a little better but is not a solution.
BTW, how are Cardinal doing in Oly nowadays? Just by curiousity, having an opponent with buffs and mana burn and erase nerf, do you feel it well?
There was some jealousy with the Hielephants in Oly that can explain the nerf, but now, are Cardinals even more limited to class based fights and feeding?
I know I have time before reaching Noobless, but one thing is sure : you'll find me in the oly arena, whether I have a chance or not. :p
Well if you wanted to detag just to feed your clan friends, that comes at a penalty. Oly is every single day and for detagging you get a 1 day penalty and cannot rejoin your clan.
I don't know bout you but I don't want to De-tag every day just to feed. Not to mention if pvp or something comes up your screwed cause war tags can kill you for full % loss. I don't think it would be such a great idea to De-tag 30 people from your clan all at once just to feed in oly, there does come costs for De-tagging you know.
I never said it was a solution or fool proof, I said it is a helpful idea to the problem.
Not to mention if pvp or something comes up your screwed cause war tags can kill you for full % loss.
Better yet, they will detag to give full % loss to their wartags and do the Olympiad in the meantime.
Sounds good enough?
Why do you all have to be so negative?
We are just being realistic. :eek:
Let's see:
As soon as someone finds out from the korean patch notes about some newly implemented lvl 80 skill, a lot of trains will be launched to bot up respective classes to 80.
Then to 85, as soon as the new update with lvl 80-85 skills is released. And so on.
I mean, if people are willing to *b*o*t* to 80++ just to become uber, do you really think they would hesitate to detag to get an advantage in the olympiad, or launch a few more bot trains to level up a few more dozens of untagged noblesses to feed their candidates?
If there is a hole in the game design, it will be exploited, plain and simple.
The solution to the problem is even simpler: get the GM team to actually do their job.
Which is not going to happen, unfortunately. :mad: :mad: :mad:
if they really wanted to show skill in the oly they would make oly gear that you couldnt oe or augment. then it would be all player/class skill vs player/class skill . epic jewelry and large clans that can burn tons of stones seem to rule the arena anyway ...
yeah, that really makes a lot of sense, when there aren't enough of some classes to even HAVE a class based competition.
which sound like a game flaw to me!
Why isn't there enough of that class? probably cause every one that plays it rerolls sooner or later cause their class gets Nerfed to hell! Case in point: Warlords, Destro's, Sorc, BH, ES (theres a reason there is only 1 continuing ES hero on bartz)...etc.
Why do you think I stay with PW? cause there are very few high lvl ones. Its a good class that will only get better over time. If I wanted a cookie cutter class I'd go TH, HE, Necro...etc.
We are just being realistic. :eek:
Let's see:
As soon as someone finds out from the korean patch notes about some newly implemented lvl 80 skill, a lot of trains will be launched to bot up respective classes to 80.
Then to 85, as soon as the new update with lvl 80-85 skills is released. And so on.
I mean, if people are willing to *b*o*t* to 80++ just to become uber, do you really think they would hesitate to detag to get an advantage in the olympiad, or launch a few more bot trains to level up a few more dozens of untagged noblesses to feed their candidates?
If there is a hole in the game design, it will be exploited, plain and simple.
The solution to the problem is even simpler: get the GM team to actually do their job.
Which is not going to happen, unfortunately. :mad: :mad: :mad:
You are not being realistic, you are being a major idiot.
Way to live in denial.
Didn't your clanmate brag in hero chat about a new lvl 80 OL botted by a certain clan because they wanted to get alliance invincibility so badly?
A small correction: it was not your clan* mate, but an ally mate. Then a few more heroes responded to express their excitement. You must have missed the last siege in December, if you don't remember the whole story.
Can't wait till that toon appears in the Oly, just to illustrate your point how "dedication and organization" mean everything (according to Husje).
A small correction: it was not your clan* mate, but an ally mate. Then a few more heroes responded to express their excitement. You must have missed the last siege in December, if you don't remember the whole story.
Can't wait till that toon appears in the Oly, just to illustrate your point how "dedication and organization" mean everything (according to Husje).
I think he asked for a name..... pretty clearly.
"Oh I dont have a name, but if a Overlord appears in your guild within the next 4 months THEN I WAS RIGHT!!!!!"
First off, mentioning the names of EULA violators is against the rules of this forum (which I find stupid, but it's a different story... talk about the ostrich position :eek: ), so I won't do it. And if you play on Gustin you'll know the name anyway.
And I guess this thread is already pretty close to getting locked, since it's all they can do about it.
Your other assumption is wrong as well, because that particular "new lvl 80 dominator" did appear in a certain bot-based alliance right before the new year's eve.
First off, mentioning the names of EULA violators is against the rules of this forum (which I find stupid, but it's a different story... talk about the ostrich position ), so I won't do it. And if you play on Gustin you'll know the name anyway.
Quote me where it says you cant say someones in game character name.
I found xybg123 in Mithril Mines along with 4 others. Later I found xybg123 in a major guild on Bartz.
Think the post will get locked? Of course not. Posts get locked for ACCUSATIONS. Like yours, in fact, like you've already done.
Since you, nor anyone else in this game, has any clue who is or isnt a EULA breaker, that is called character assassination and thus against the EULA.
Served ;P
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Since you, nor anyone else in this game, has any clue who is or isnt a EULA breaker, that is called character assassination and thus against the EULA.
In other words you don't know how to spot a bot or bot shops in Giran...if you can you are automatically spotting players that are breaking the EULA.
As I (nor you...) do not work for NCSoft, it is not my job to spot such.
How many players have been called Bot's, Ebayer's, etc and are still playing? How many will still be playing for *years* to come?
Lets get real here... unless the character is banned, you have absolutely on clue what he or she did that may or may not be wrong.
A simple G15 Macro is called a Bot these days by the totally uneducated. Let alone Nostrom or G15 CP Spamming which is also called cheating and against EULA, yadda yadda.
For every post you make, you make me think more and more that you are a [censored] fanatic and can't play without it.
Funny thing is, Ashane is correct. It is not our job (as players) to handle bot detection. HGMSpam has said the exact same thing. Do not mistake indifference for acceptance.
For every post you make, you make me think more and more that you are a [censored] fanatic and can't play without it.
Funny thing is, Ashane is correct. It is not our job (as players) to handle bot detection. HGMSpam has said the exact same thing. Do not mistake indifference for acceptance.
Thats all I was trying to say LOL.
Anyone who knew me on Teon knows I worked my [censored] off (literally) to try and keep a squeaky clean alliance. What did it do? Burn me out in less then a year.
At that point, I said you know what, its not MY JOB to worry about it. I dont get paid for it, I certainly dont enjoy tracking down botters and where person X's money came from. I'll just attempt to enjoy the game I'm given ;)
First off, mentioning the names of EULA violators is against the rules of this forum (which I find stupid, but it's a different story... talk about the ostrich position :eek: ), so I won't do it. And if you play on Gustin you'll know the name anyway.
And I guess this thread is already pretty close to getting locked, since it's all they can do about it.
Your other assumption is wrong as well, because that particular "new lvl 80 dominator" did appear in a certain bot-based alliance right before the new year's eve.
SURRRRRRRRREEEEEE Aconyte, like you have been doing in the every single posts you have done in Gustin threads? EULA rules didn't stop you from mentioning there, why would they stop u from posting now?
Since you, nor anyone else in this game, has any clue who is or isnt a EULA breaker, that is called character assassination and thus against the EULA.
In other words you don't know how to spot a bot or bot shops in Giran...if you can you are automatically spotting players that are breaking the EULA.
As I (nor you...) do not work for NCSoft, it is not my job to spot such.
How many players have been called Bot's, Ebayer's, etc and are still playing? How many will still be playing for *years* to come?
Lets get real here... unless the character is banned, you have absolutely on clue what he or she did that may or may not be wrong.
A simple G15 Macro is called a Bot these days by the totally uneducated. Let alone Nostrom or G15 CP Spamming which is also called cheating and against EULA, yadda yadda.
Way to live in denial.
Didn't your clanmate brag in hero chat about a new lvl 80 OL botted by a certain clan because they wanted to get alliance invincibility so badly?
LOL like I care if you have it or not. With the number of 76+ bots you already got, one more or one less does not change a thing.
In fact, no one will believe that you *don't* have a lvl 80 OL until you let everyone log in its account and check its actual level and class. :)
Btw sometimes I have to check the olympiad rankings just to find out what is main class of some of your nobles. They all look the same in the trains they're born.
apart from the fact that oly is too easy to control with a enough nobles of the right classes oly wont really be fair
i organized oly once with every noble of my class wheter enemy or not
and at the end i had most complain that they will never have chance and they wont ever do oly again unless we decide the winner before since thats the only way theyd have a chance
so you can forget about all nobles competing because theres really no point in it untill your at least 78 or so (probably higher by now) and can get some good gear and boss jewels
and aditional to that theres alot of euros even on us servers and for them oly time is about the timeyoud normally sleep if you have to work the next day
This thread bores me; I mean it’s been the same arguments about the Olympiad forever now. Unfortunately, Hero has never been soemthing about the individual who deserves it, it’s always been about which alliance organizes and works the system the best who end up walking away with the prize.
Do I think that’s fair? Not Really.
Do I think that’s what a Hero really should be? Nope.
As a result, I’m sure every server has seen a lot of Hero’s who have never deserved it, and as a result you see plenty of characters that just magically ‘appear’ from thin air, and they’re hero! Either way, one thing that has not changed is that Hero was never made to glorify and reward the deserving individual/player, in fact it was never made to be an individual achievement and those who still think it is, I really don’t know what to tell you other than you being pretty ignorant.
Think about it… what’s the purpose of Hero? Clan Reputation Points (1000) – What good does this suite an individual player? Heroic Valor – What good does this do the Individual player, considering it’s a Clan/Alliance(?) buff? Hero UD/Berserker/Fear, etc… These skills weren’t put into the game for PVE, let alone to be used solely in an individual perspective.
Alliances putting their players into Hero spots isn’t cheating, nor is it taking advantage of a flawed system, nor is it really unfair at all. Do I think alliances have incorporated other forms of cheating into this process? – There isn’t a doubt in my mind, but only NCSoft can do something about that, and as you can see, they haven’t done the greatest jobs on several things in Lineage2, so I think stressing over it is just pointless at this point, and I don’t understand the point in doing something for recreation if its going to stress you out.
Alliances putting their players into Hero spots isn’t cheating, nor is it taking advantage of a flawed system, nor is it really unfair at all. Do I think alliances have incorporated other forms of cheating into this process?
Do we play the same Lineage II?
Nno one said they were cheating. Olympiad is Broken, however, and Heroes are overpowered with their Hero skills and the broken Cancel Stick which strips buffs faster than a fully stacked level 80 MM with every cast speed buff in the game and Arcana Power toggled on when used by many classes. An unbuffed PR in Arena was able to strip 15 buffs off of me in about 10 seconds. Classes should be limited by archetype to which weapons they are able to use.
Hero skills are imbalanced because being able to block Physical Skills and Magic Skills, Fear, and run around with UD on pretty much any class is a make and break capability in Mass PvP. Alliances know that they can rise to the top by monopolizing Hero Competition. Doesn't matter how strong your enemies are. When you have so many toons with Hero UD/Zerk, can chain cast Valor basically indefinitely, can Chain hero Fear and Granduer, and can cancel their buffs fast as hell with Hero pole it trivializes PvP, and competition alike.
And I seen a Duelist live for over a minute with 4 S Grade nukers and another 78+ Duelist hitting on him thanks to UD (he was alone, i.e. no healer). That is overpowered.
Yes it is unfair when alliances Powerlevel power classes (Prophet, ES/Warlock, Dominator) and play them in Olympiad to farm and feed clanmates. The Olympiad system is broken in that it allows players to have matches with other players who are in the same clan or alliance as they are. In Korea this is not such a problem becuase Olympiad is always full and there are many nobles. In NA/EU there aren't so many Nobles as there and the server populations as a whole are VERY much lower than over there. Olympiad is often less than half full except for on the last day, and even then most of those toons are boxxed and do nothing but stand there and let another player kill them when the match starts.
Olympiad is flawed. They aren't outright cheating, but they are taking advantage of a loophole in a flawed system.
But who can blame them? Monopolize Hero system = You are hte new top clan on your server. Disagree?
Since we know (for a fact) that its spose to be alot lower chance to strip buffs then it is after ripping the code apart. (Not me, ofc <protects [censored]>)
Dont know why its such a high %, but thats not what its spose to be.
Yep, every other crit debuffs have a great chance to fail. I had the hero duals the first month and it didnt land much. Crit cancel removes 100% every time u crit. Looks like the cancel theme itself bugged, because i have yet to resist a cancel nomather what lvl they come from.
This thread bores me; I mean it’s been the same arguments about the Olympiad forever now. Unfortunately, Hero has never been soemthing about the individual who deserves it, it’s always been about which alliance organizes and works the system the best who end up walking away with the prize.
Do I think that’s fair? Not Really.
Do I think that’s what a Hero really should be? Nope.
As a result, I’m sure every server has seen a lot of Hero’s who have never deserved it, and as a result you see plenty of characters that just magically ‘appear’ from thin air, and they’re hero! Either way, one thing that has not changed is that Hero was never made to glorify and reward the deserving individual/player, in fact it was never made to be an individual achievement and those who still think it is, I really don’t know what to tell you other than you being pretty ignorant.
Think about it… what’s the purpose of Hero? Clan Reputation Points (1000) – What good does this suite an individual player? Heroic Valor – What good does this do the Individual player, considering it’s a Clan/Alliance(?) buff? Hero UD/Berserker/Fear, etc… These skills weren’t put into the game for PVE, let alone to be used solely in an individual perspective.
Alliances putting their players into Hero spots isn’t cheating, nor is it taking advantage of a flawed system, nor is it really unfair at all. Do I think alliances have incorporated other forms of cheating into this process? – There isn’t a doubt in my mind, but only NCSoft can do something about that, and as you can see, they haven’t done the greatest jobs on several things in Lineage2, so I think stressing over it is just pointless at this point, and I don’t understand the point in doing something for recreation if its going to stress you out.
Good points.
Although never realli thought about oly in that why its true and makes a lot of since. Everyone workin together for the rewards of the clan as a whole.
As far as heros making a clan better than another it realli just depends. If the clan suxs heros can only do them so much good in pvp. Especially when heros dont play there main class. =.= Being hero doesnt help much.
Rofl at using hero skill in pve cause that so has happened in with hero ud before.
LOL like I care if you have it or not. With the number of 76+ bots you already got, one more or one less does not change a thing.
In fact, no one will believe that you *don't* have a lvl 80 OL until you let everyone log in its account and check its actual level and class. :)
Btw sometimes I have to check the olympiad rankings just to find out what is main class of some of your nobles. They all look the same in the trains they're born.
For someone who doesn't care you sure are making a big deal out of it.
No one ever said it was balanced, or fair. The only argument here is between those who have a hard time seeing what the Olympiad REALLY is, and those who understand what it is.