OrneryNC: It is very important to me that the processes work as smooth as possible for the players. I will be posting details of how each service works shortly after the new year, and hope to have them live a couple weeks afterwards.
Well it's January 18th as of making this post, can we please have that "info"??
"Beating a dead horse" is an idiom that means a particular request or line of conversation is already foreclosed, mooted, or otherwise resolved, and any attempt to continue it is futile.
You will get the services when they are ready to give them. What is so hard to understand? What is the big rush? How does it make a difference if it is tomorrow or next year?
"Beating a dead horse" is an idiom that means a particular request or line of conversation is already foreclosed, mooted, or otherwise resolved, and any attempt to continue it is futile.
You will get the services when they are ready to give them. What is so hard to understand? What is the big rush? How does it make a difference if it is tomorrow or next year?
Are you a complete moron or just trying to get a laugh? What rush? Why does it matter if it's tomorrow or next year? Well forest, you see if player A wants off there dead server and to transfer to a populated one, then a year sure would be a long time to wait.
I love how your calling someone else a moron, when your the one who starts a thread about a topic which has already been covered in numerous threads already as it is...
They obviously don't have the information for people yet about the services, otherwise it would have already been posted, and they have stated numerous times that they are working on it, and it will be out eventually.... When will that be, if ever? ... who knows. Point is, making this thread accomplishes nothing, other than starting a thread that has already been started with the same end result time and time again... If you want answers to your questions, look through the past threads already about this subject matter, nothing is going to change by you making your own thread about it.
and a bit fyi, they said they would have the info out shortly after the new year.... we're only two weeks in, and like the other poster said, it could be at any point into Q1 if they wanted to, but unless thsi is June, your thread dosen't really have any sense to it.
Yes name and gender changes are coming, and the process is currently being tested along with server transfers. We have indeed officially stated we are working on these three services, and they will be implemented. Details, including dates, how the service process will work, and restrictions will be announced as soon as testing is done. I've seen a few posts floating around stating things like, "An NCsoft employee told me X-service was canceled." These statements are not true.
As for name changes, we do plan to have a system in place where everyone will be able to see what a player's name was, and what he or she has changed it to.
Ok I changed the thread to specifically address Ornery, it was my bad in addressing it to both Ornery and Alyra, as the producer I wanted the feedback (as he said he was going to post) from him.
So yes Alyra did cover it, and imo she is a great CM, still looking for Ornery to give us the update that he said he would.
And to address the concern about how the subject at hand has been brought up so much, yes it has but since this is the official boards and the main place to get you official info I brought it up again. I personally don't read these boards to see how we all liked the last recycled event etc.. Like most L2Blah is home, this is just a place to "try" to get some interaction with the staff and perhaps some answers.
Well, shortly after the New Year can be whole Q1 as well ... :p
"and hope to have them live a couple weeks afterwards"
Only want the info that was mentioned by Ornery.
Did they ever say WHICH new-year?
DUN DUN DUNNNN
Hey there .. that is my saying... BUT.... it is very true... in all of the post by the staff.. they never say what year... even in the "news letter" (which btw, I like, if it came out every month)..............
So - it will be comming Soon (TM) and when it comes, it will be in a format that we all come to expect from NCNA.
I love how your calling someone else a moron, when your the one who starts a thread about a topic which has already been covered in numerous threads already as it is...
I'm sorry to say but I think you're the moron here. This question is raised time and time again because if it wasn't raised then NC would not do anything. They would just assume there is no demand for it. Heck, it has been 2 years since they first promised the service. Also the OP quoted Ornery and in no way did Ornery say Q1. He said two weeks. The post might have been premature but some people like to be punctual about things. If all you do is play L2 24/7 then you can afford to slack. Alyra did post an answer and a big thanks to her.
Yes name and gender changes are coming, and the process is currently being tested along with server transfers. We have indeed officially stated we are working on these three services, and they will be implemented. Details, including dates, how the service process will work, and restrictions will be announced as soon as testing is done. I've seen a few posts floating around stating things like, "An NCsoft employee told me X-service was canceled." These statements are not true.
As for name changes, we do plan to have a system in place where everyone will be able to see what a player's name was, and what he or she has changed it to.
Not good enough. Give us a DATE. Can it really be that hard?
These changes have been in the pipeline for sometime.
Many players have been discussing their need to change to a more populated server for a year or more.
If a player had started a new char back then, how high would it be now ?
I really don't understand the desire to move when starting again is so easy and playing noobs can be fun.
I say give staff a break and start again from zero on another server.
tbh, all these ironic threads against NC are really insulting and imho, NC should be insulted.
i wonder why so much secrecy on the final date, on the limitations that we, as players will have, regarding transfers, in general, in everything about transfers.
i see unsatisfied customers here, i see more people quitting day by day and even less newcomers.
all i see is no respect towards us, from their behalf.
NC FYI, we, europeans and americans are also customers and not only coreans. why so much racism against us?
How long do they think they can toy with us before we lose hope? 21 days after the new year and still no new information... this is just pathetic. You guys might as well announce that you are desupporting the game.
How long do they think they can toy with us before we lose hope? 21 days after the new year and still no new information... this is just pathetic. You guys might as well announce that you are desupporting the game.
My guess is that they weren't counting the weekends or today, since it's a holiday. :D
Only in the gaming industry is this sort of delay possible without precipitously losing your client base.
i dont see whats so upsetting, even IF we had info about transfers it would be the same as events - everyone up in arms about how bad the rules are.
Oddly enough, the one thing that we do know is that there will be limitations on transfers. I think most ppl are prepared for that. Personally I only wish that I understood Korean so that I could research how these account services function in Korea, and determine whether or not we're getting the same services or a bastardization.
just play another server until such time as you GET rules.
I want to start a server import/export business. Difficult to do in advance when you're not sure of what can and cannot be transported.
i dont see whats so upsetting, even IF we had info about transfers it would be the same as events - everyone up in arms about how bad the rules are.
just play another server until such time as you GET rules. then if the rules are prohibitive to what you want to do, you can quit in good conscience.
its not the server transfers that im worried about. Take a look at the big picture. This is only one of the many failures coming out of NCsoft lately. Should I mention how horrible the execution of pts was? How about the implementation of CT1? Or the lack of any effort by GMs to get rid of cheaters? Or the lack of any sort of customer support?
Server Transfers is just the icing on the cake. Do you think the information about server transfers is really that top secret? I am thinking they just havent decided wth they want to do yet. If that is the case, then why did they make an announcement about it in the first place? Are their projects so poorly managed that they define the scope as they go along rather than before they start? From the limited knowledge we have, this seems to be the case.
Basically, if we let NCSoft continue to screw us, it will only get worse. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm not bending over for NC any more. If it takes constant pressure to get NC to follow through with their word, then thats what I will do.
I am still awaiting the details, everyone. We don't want to jump the gun and make an announcement until testing is complete and we know everything works as it should. I did want to chime in about Ornery's quote, as I think some are misinterpreting it.
"I will be posting details of how each service works shortly after the new year, and hope to have them live a couple weeks afterwards."
The couple weeks mentioned here is in reference to when we post the details, not the new year. Ornery stated that he will be posting the details shortly after the new year, and that we hope to have the services live a couple weeks after that (the announcement).
I am still awaiting the details, everyone. We don't want to jump the gun and make an announcement until testing is complete and we know everything works as it should. I did want to chime in about Ornery's quote, as I think some are misinterpreting it.
"I will be posting details of how each service works shortly after the new year, and hope to have them live a couple weeks afterwards."
The couple weeks mentioned here is in reference to when we post the details, not the new year. Ornery stated that he will be posting the details shortly after the new year, and that we hope to have the services live a couple weeks after that (the announcement).
And yes, he was referring to this year, 2008. :p
I'm just curious, but why would you need to complete testing before telling us the limitations? The limitations should already be defined. If they aren't, then what exactly are you guys testing?
About Ornery's quote:
I know he said "Shortly after the new year". The straight up fact here is that you guys could drag this out until July still be claiming its shortly after the new year. The lack of a date or even a date range tells me that either this isnt very high on the priority list or you lack faith in your developers to get this done in a timely manner. Either way, its not a good sign.
Just to be clear, I am not getting on your (Alyra's) case. I am making a general statement about NCSoft. I know that you (Alyra) are just the messenger.
Ornery stated that he will be posting the details shortly after the new year
Ok, so... where are those details ?
It's now January 21st, 21 days after the new year, 3 whole weeks, i'm kinda wondering what his definition of "shortly" is...
I'm not blaming you Alyra, and i dont think anyone's blaming you, we apreciate the (unfortunately useless) updates, but most of us are getting a little bit more fed up with this situation with each passing day :eek:
Please Jay, stop with the blind fanboyism and try to understand the frustration here...
I came back to L2 mostly because Server Transfers were announced, and now i'm felling a bit ripped off with each passing day/week/month that i have to wait...
She just posts something and still you guys complain.
Oi vey.
Please show me the NEW information she posted. I fail to see anything NEW. I mean you can only say "Just a little bit longer" a few times. After that, people will call you out on your BS.
It's a matter of being told "You'll get the information when we are finalized with it"
Tell you what, I'll sell you a house. It's only 3/4 designed, and I don't know what the rest of it will look like yet. But I'll sell it to you. Want it?
Tell you what, I'll sell you a house. It's only 3/4 designed, and I don't know what the rest of it will look like yet. But I'll sell it to you. Want it?
If this house has been announced for years, always delayed since then, finally given a precise date range but this date range has been delayed too, and moreover if the same house has been built a long time ago by the same people but only in a different country, i'll probably tell you to go to hell and i'll start looking for another more serious house-builder :p
It's a matter of being told "You'll get the information when we are finalized with it"
Tell you what, I'll sell you a house. It's only 3/4 designed, and I don't know what the rest of it will look like yet. But I'll sell it to you. Want it?
EXACTLY... would you EVER announce the sale of that house before you finished the DESIGN? You finally get it now.
And yes, defending NCSoft's inability to deliver IS being a FanBoy.
I don't know who said it up there... but it has to be true that the details are already established, and you all are working on the technical side of doing it. Therefore, the details should be released so we can prepare for them.
We have a right to prepare for them. For instance: Let's say we can't bring epics. Then they have to be sold, traded, whatever we choose. If we can only bring so many adena, so much armor, mats, weapons, we need to prepare our toon for transfer. It is only good relations to give us that info. The technical can be worked on in the meantime.
Personally, I don't understand why our character, inventory, warehouse intact, can't just be pulled from my server to the other server of my choice. I can understand about epics... but other than that, I really don't understand... but then again, I'm no programmer.
As it is 90% of my former clan, which was Euro, have basically quit playing because they are just waiting for the transfer... otherwise they will most likely quit playing L2 altogether. They have their reasons for doing this in this manner, which may not make sense to anyone else.
And Alyra, again no offense intended, all she did was respond with rhetoric, and not with any real answer. It's nice to see the name of an actual NC employee on the forum, but come on. This isn't the CIA. Things aren't that top secret. Please. At this point it is simply a lack of any PR skills.
i wouldnt be the least bit surprised if this whole thing blew over with "due to incessant complaints we are no longer providing service to any customer for any reason"
i wouldnt be the least bit surprised if this whole thing blew over with "due to incessant complaints we are no longer providing service to any customer for any reason"
good fight.
At least we would know why we don't get any right now.
i wouldnt be the least bit surprised if this whole thing blew over with "due to incessant complaints we are no longer providing service to any customer for any reason"
good fight.
At least we would know why we don't get any right now.
were you looking for info on the testing bugs found so far? betcha the list is as long as your leg and would indeed provide you with too **** much info.
i wouldnt be the least bit surprised if this whole thing blew over with "due to incessant complaints we are no longer providing service to any customer for any reason"
good fight.
At least we would know why we don't get any right now.
were you looking for info on the testing bugs found so far? betcha the list is as long as your leg and would indeed provide you with too **** much info.
Like I said before, if they are at the testing stage now, then the design is complete. If the design is complete then they ALREADY know the limitations. If they ALREADY know the limitations then why not share that information?
They have also been testing this for over a week now (that we know of). Are their programmers so incompetant that they didnt even try to compile the code before sending it off for testing? There are a limited number of steps in this process. Copying a record from 1 database to another IDENTICAL database is something an intern could do. In fact, doing just that was my first project as a PL/SQL developer. It took a whole 2 days to do the whole project.
We have a right to prepare for them. For instance: Let's say we can't bring epics. Then they have to be sold, traded, whatever we choose. If we can only bring so many adena, so much armor, mats, weapons, we need to prepare our toon for transfer.
This is why we need info and the only reason I am complaining right now. This "let's release info the day before implementation" policy is horrible.
We have a right to prepare for them. For instance: Let's say we can't bring epics. Then they have to be sold, traded, whatever we choose. If we can only bring so many adena, so much armor, mats, weapons, we need to prepare our toon for transfer.
This is why we need info and the only reason I am complaining right now. This "let's release info the day before implementation" policy is horrible.
This is the information that i would like to have.
From my understanding: They'll post details short time after new year. And few weeks later after infos are posted, discussed, whined, flamed and cursed at* they'll launch transfers.
*Edit: and locked of course.
Tell you what, I'll sell you a house. It's only 3/4 designed, and I don't know what the rest of it will look like yet. But I'll sell it to you. Want it?
If this house has been announced for years, always delayed since then, finally given a precise date range but this date range has been delayed too, and moreover if the same house has been built a long time ago by the same people but only in a different country, i'll probably tell you to go to hell and i'll start looking for another more serious house-builder :p
That one made me laugh so hard, I think I cracked a rib. QFTFT!!!
I don't know who said it up there... but it has to be true that the details are already established, and you all are working on the technical side of doing it. Therefore, the details should be released so we can prepare for them.
We have a right to prepare for them. For instance: Let's say we can't bring epics. Then they have to be sold, traded, whatever we choose. If we can only bring so many adena, so much armor, mats, weapons, we need to prepare our toon for transfer. It is only good relations to give us that info. The technical can be worked on in the meantime.
I don't get this. Why do you _need_ the details before the service is launched?
You can still sell your stuff and prepare your characters after the service is working.
****ed this new _give me everything now_ generation... :p ;)
You know what people in the normal world do, when they want to implement something that potentially will earn them MILLIONS of dollars?
They spend a little bit of money, hire a couple of coders and get this dang services in place ASAP, not announce 2 months out from CT1 that they are gonna put it in when it launchs, then put it back at least a month and still have NO WORD for us and say "its testing". Testing something thats CREATED dosnt take too long to get right, then again it is ncsoft as we know, put in ct1 with the level 40 quest on test not working and dont even fix it there till its live.
Honestly sick of them cutting funds for lineage2, outsourcing to india etc all tech support blah blah. Shows how much they care, they even silence the CM from commenting on things and they turn her job into basicly updating crappy website info(not bagging what she does) just i find being the CM should involve communicating with us not limiting what she says.
Shows how much they care, they even silence the CM from commenting on things and they turn her job into basicly updating crappy website info(not bagging what she does) just i find being the CM should involve communicating with us not limiting what she says.
why do you think mistryl quit, and moved on some place else, not even at NCsoft any more.
I don't know who said it up there... but it has to be true that the details are already established, and you all are working on the technical side of doing it. Therefore, the details should be released so we can prepare for them.
We have a right to prepare for them. For instance: Let's say we can't bring epics. Then they have to be sold, traded, whatever we choose. If we can only bring so many adena, so much armor, mats, weapons, we need to prepare our toon for transfer. It is only good relations to give us that info. The technical can be worked on in the meantime.
I don't get this. Why do you _need_ the details before the service is launched?
You can still sell your stuff and prepare your characters after the service is working.
****ed this new _give me everything now_ generation... :p ;)
its not "now". its since 2004.
why you need to know things earlier? easy!
there will be polls and posts, to what server people is gonna move to.
for example, id wish to move from lionna to some other (id wish for euro) server, but if transfers wont be allowed towards euro server and IF many players from emptier than Lionna server decide to come to lionna, then i d see no reason to move, so i could start playing, xping, making trades etc again.
this idle situation, w8ing and not knowing what to do, is killing our gameplay aka our fun.
transfers are announced and because of this, people still quitting, players that returned with the hope that will meet with their friends in other server, going inactive again and so on.
i hope you got my point, and believe me, each one of us, has his reasons for waiting tranfers.
its not "now". its since 2004.
why you need to know things earlier? easy!
there will be polls and posts, to what server people is gonna move to.
for example, id wish to move from lionna to some other (id wish for euro) server, but if transfers wont be allowed towards euro server and IF many players from emptier than Lionna server decide to come to lionna, then i d see no reason to move, so i could start playing, xping, making trades etc again.
this idle situation, w8ing and not knowing what to do, is killing our gameplay aka our fun.
transfers are announced and because of this, people still quitting, players that returned with the hope that will meet with their friends in other server, going inactive again and so on.
i hope you got my point, and believe me, each one of us, has his reasons for waiting tranfers.
Yeah, I've been waiting for the transfers since they first announced them back in 2004.
What keeps you from playing/xping now? The xp transfers with the char... (I'd hope so at least! :p )
LOL, I am hardly the "give it to me now" generation. That's pretty funny.
Nope, I am from the generation where customer service was at its peak and public relations had some meaning and was practiced earnestly. To announce something like this, something the player base is hungry for, and to withhold information for whatever reason is simply poor public relations and shows a disrespect to their customers.
I can see you are of the generation that just bows its head and thinks it is lucky to just be given the promise of a breadcrumb, and never questions "authority". Yes, some people are cynics, it's true. It doesn't mean that the treatment is acceptable.
+1 what Grazzt said. Yes, Alyra posted, but absolutely nothing new. There's no defending that.
We already know there are no details and we have to wait. Salt in the wound, to say that again IMO.
She did state what year this time...
Can anyone translate how it is done in Korea?
Also - this whole thing has turned into a PR death strike to NCNA (not blaming you Alrya cuz we all know that you are not allowed to post anything without permission) but we are fed-up with all the customer service issues that have been building for YEARS. It almost has the feeling that the ship is sinking, but we have not been told yet.
LOL, I am hardly the "give it to me now" generation. That's pretty funny.
Nope, I am from the generation where customer service was at its peak and public relations had some meaning and was practiced earnestly. To announce something like this, something the player base is hungry for, and to withhold information for whatever reason is simply poor public relations and shows a disrespect to their customers.
I know what you mean. I've been there too. Those were the days.
But thats not the way the business world goes nowdays. Corporations are notorious for keeping information to themselves until the last minute. They hold the information because they're afraid that if they release it too early, and it has errors they will get blamed/sued/etc for releasing faulty information.
It might be a result of two or more business cultures clashing or just some individuals clashing with each other.
You've seen it here too.
As to the original subject, releasing the information now, maybe they're still tuning the system and do not have all the details yet.
I can see you are of the generation that just bows its head and thinks it is lucky to just be given the promise of a breadcrumb, and never questions "authority". Yes, some people are cynics, it's true. It doesn't mean that the treatment is acceptable.
No it does not. I however don't think I'm with that generation.
But thats not the way the business world goes nowadays. Corporations are notorious for keeping information to themselves until the last minute. They hold the information because they're afraid that if they release it too early, and it has errors they will get blamed/sued/etc for releasing faulty information.
Yes, yes, I know. And I'm sure you also know there is a whole language skill on how to CYA when you release tentative details. This day and age that has become an art and a highly paid skill. I'm sure they do know what works... and what isn't working... and the parts that work, those details could be coming out for us to use to make our decision. The parts that don't work could be a completely different paragraph of "What's to come" --- so many ways to do it that would take care of this major PR faux pas.
They could also not be releasing the info because they know once they do all the customers that came back for server transfers will quit again because it's not how they wanted it to work.. just a thought
They could also not be releasing the info because they know once they do all the customers that came back for server transfers will quit again because it's not how they wanted it to work.. just a thought
Which is why the CUSTOMERS want it now rather than 6 months from now, after they have paid for 6 months worth in order to find out that NCsoft is full of Fail.
NA and Korean are totally different. We play the game completely different. The economies of any of the servers would be destroyed if they did it that way.
NA and Korean are totally different. We play the game completely different. The economies of any of the servers would be destroyed if they did it that way.
If you think about it, Korean's have far more boss jewels, far more +16 items, etc then any US server.
So yeah, you'd think it would be the other way around. That it would be a totally useless feature in Korea.
Arguments can swing both ways, it was a simple question answered, thats all :)
Best question yet? I would think it will be basically the same.
Its already been posted before...
Transfer naked, with a amount of adena dependent upon level.
We all assumed it would be the same, but Alyra's cryptic answer of "You wont go naked" has us all wondering.
Given all of the testing, you would think that it has to be more than just naked with a corresponding amount of adena. I mean how difficult could that be to arrange?
And if there is an adena limitation according to level, I sure hope they set it accordingly:
Level 1-19............50 million adena max
" 20-39...............100 million adena max
" 40-51...............500 million adena max
" 52-60...............900 million adena max
" 61-up...............Whatever You Can Frikkin Carry in Inventory
Level 1-19............50 million adena max
" 20-39...............100 million adena max
" 40-51...............500 million adena max
" 52-60...............900 million adena max
" 61-up...............Whatever You Can Frikkin Carry in Inventory
I hope you talking about people who have been playing this game for a long time and for unknown reason want to move an alt to another server.
If you think about it there are very few players who have anywhere close the the Adena you have suggested. Atleast not on thier first character throught the lvls in your list.
Once you figure out how to play the market or are part of the dominating clan/alliance you may have that kind of adena. But just starting this game and having 50 mil at lvl 1-19! I don't think so.
Well, I have been watching these threads and i would like to add my own follow up questions to the last STAFF response.
but first I ask you all to read this..... It is long but please read before quoting or replying to it.
For the people bashing the angry or dissapointed players here that are simply asking for details, and saying it is unreasonable.
These are the people who have gone through many dissapointments caused by the powers that be.
For example, this game may be your hobby. You may not goto the movies every weekend, or bowling or whatever,
you play here instead. You cancel plans or schedule around an event that is announced because you are looking forward to it.
Days before HORDES, of you know what blatantly standing in MDT on all servers. Then no mobs when their shoud be.
Or how about letters? same story again, and no answers from anyone. Just a bunch of dissapointed customers who
are not getting any answers.
Sure a few days later it was fixed, and a short note of sorry about that.
Thats just 2 recent examples of many.
These people are making a stand here. They are simply expecting to be dissapointed yet again, and it seems so far,
They have not been given a reason to quell that anticipation.
Before you reply that they have no life or any kind of negative rebuttle, This thread isnt about that opinion.
And by creating those replies you detract from the credability of the thread.
Create a new topic, and call it I think the people asking about server xfers are whiners or have no life or whatever.
Every thread that turns into a bashing session like this on these originally legit threads asking for a direct answer from specific people becomes locked and useless.
I notice more people joining on the side of this is enough, were asking a direct an easy question please stop giving us indirect answers. The feeling of neglect from customer support is growing. I dont think it is fair for them not to have a chance to have a reasonable thread on the topic.
I also have to say some people see it as a not so important thing and dont see why they should have to know anything until nc feels like telling them. Bashing on them and calling them fanboy isnt helping the case and leads to the same result each time this thread is started.
The direct question is forgotten about and its an attack on eachother and you end up with no answers.
I would like to ask a few direct questions based on the last reply from a staff member.
I can only ask out of respect for the people who are trying to keep some kind of follow through here,
if you have anything other then a question of the nature or addon to the original post, you make a new thread.
I am sure as a community you have the respect to allow what little exchange there is here between staff and the askers to continue.
Im trying to rescue this thread and asking for cooperation.
#1) Do you know what the details or if any, conditions of the xfers are going to be?
#2) If you do know the details or conditions if any, can you please tell us what they are?
#3) If you do know and can not release them can you please give a reason why?
#4) If this thread becomes useless can you please post the answers in a sticky topic??
#5) If that sticky topic gets posts that are bashing or off topic can you please have your moderators move those posts or remove them?
This would allow customers that do not want to sift through all the non related material to log in, and easily check for an
update. It is difficult to have to find a thread like this and read through it hoping for something solid.
Thank you.
Well, I have been watching these threads and i would like to add my own follow up questions to the last STAFF response.
but first I ask you all to read this..... It is long but please read before quoting or replying to it.
For the people bashing the angry or dissapointed players here that are simply asking for details, and saying it is unreasonable.
These are the people who have gone through many dissapointments caused by the powers that be.
For example, this game may be your hobby. You may not goto the movies every weekend, or bowling or whatever,
you play here instead. You cancel plans or schedule around an event that is announced because you are looking forward to it.
Days before HORDES, of you know what blatantly standing in MDT on all servers. Then no mobs when their shoud be.
Or how about letters? same story again, and no answers from anyone. Just a bunch of dissapointed customers who
are not getting any answers.
Sure a few days later it was fixed, and a short note of sorry about that.
Thats just 2 recent examples of many.
These people are making a stand here. They are simply expecting to be dissapointed yet again, and it seems so far,
They have not been given a reason to quell that anticipation.
Before you reply that they have no life or any kind of negative rebuttle, This thread isnt about that opinion.
And by creating those replies you detract from the credability of the thread.
Create a new topic, and call it I think the people asking about server xfers are whiners or have no life or whatever.
Every thread that turns into a bashing session like this on these originally legit threads asking for a direct answer from specific people becomes locked and useless.
I notice more people joining on the side of this is enough, were asking a direct an easy question please stop giving us indirect answers. The feeling of neglect from customer support is growing. I dont think it is fair for them not to have a chance to have a reasonable thread on the topic.
I also have to say some people see it as a not so important thing and dont see why they should have to know anything until nc feels like telling them. Bashing on them and calling them fanboy isnt helping the case and leads to the same result each time this thread is started.
The direct question is forgotten about and its an attack on eachother and you end up with no answers.
I would like to ask a few direct questions based on the last reply from a staff member.
I can only ask out of respect for the people who are trying to keep some kind of follow through here,
if you have anything other then a question of the nature or addon to the original post, you make a new thread.
I am sure as a community you have the respect to allow what little exchange there is here between staff and the askers to continue.
Im trying to rescue this thread and asking for cooperation.
#1) Do you know what the details or if any, conditions of the xfers are going to be?
#2) If you do know the details or conditions if any, can you please tell us what they are?
#3) If you do know and can not release them can you please give a reason why?
#4) If this thread becomes useless can you please post the answers in a sticky topic??
#5) If that sticky topic gets posts that are bashing or off topic can you please have your moderators move those posts or remove them?
This would allow customers that do not want to sift through all the non related material to log in, and easily check for an
update. It is difficult to have to find a thread like this and read through it hoping for something solid.
Thank you.
I agree with what you said but you dont seem to know about the "find posts by gm's/admins" feature. So here it is...
Luney - nice post and I think you have restated what we all have been saying for sometime.
We (the players) are done with taking the cr@ppy customer service from NCSoft and we will not put up with it any more. They either fix it and fix it fast or people will leave in droves never to come to a NC game again.
PTS - I truely believe that was the last straw for people - which is why I see a lot more anger in the boards.
im dissapointed in NC support staff, in mine whole life i didnt see such a bad support as for L2
L2 is already well known for its bad support in world, some will say any kind of advertisement is good, but i disagree, its just sad and i lost all hope that they will change some things to do tham better...
Level 1-19............50 million adena max
" 20-39...............100 million adena max
" 40-51...............500 million adena max
" 52-60...............900 million adena max
" 61-up...............Whatever You Can Frikkin Carry in Inventory
I hope you talking about people who have been playing this game for a long time and for unknown reason want to move an alt to another server.
If you think about it there are very few players who have anywhere close the the Adena you have suggested. Atleast not on thier first character throught the lvls in your list.
Once you figure out how to play the market or are part of the dominating clan/alliance you may have that kind of adena. But just starting this game and having 50 mil at lvl 1-19! I don't think so.
Let me clarify...
Those numbers are MAXIMUM not minimum allowances. That is to say that a player that wants to transfer a level 1 - 19 toon to another server can only take 50M at most with them. Obviously this figure was set with an eye to higher level gamers who have a low level re-roll that they want to transfer. It's enough starting capital/funds to get them through to C grade, but not so much that they can sway the economy or the competitive advantage of the server that they are transferring to. Small pebbles falling from low heights should have small impacts, and negligible aftershock.
And the big stones? Obviously if someone wants to transfer a level 80 to another server, there should be nothing meek about his/her arrival. Far too much time and energy is invested in toons at this level. They should be able to transfer everything that they can carry in their personal inventory.
I make no suggestions about what any player should have at any given level, but I am suggesting that they can only transfer the prescribed amounts above if they wish to move to another server.
People know how to lookup posts of the staff, and when the answer is not there, they'll keep pushing for it. For their own reasons, they want to see these services put into game, and only see a lack of any useful updates. "we're currently testing transfers and working on a problem that turns your transfered character into a penguin". Sarcastic ofc, and not an answer or update people want but its a RESPONSE none the less. And thats what alot of players are complaining about here. Others say why not reroll to the server you want to be on, but incase you haven't experienced the joys of hitting endgame (76/75, noble ect) ....no one in their right mind would want to redo that, only to find out transfers were actually coming after all that "work". Answers are all these players are looking for...its that simple. Derail the thread all you want with whatever garbage you need to, the fact remains the answers are vague and seldom questions are answered to begin with. And that is why you'll see 50 more topics on this till someone from NCSoft posts an update thats somewhat informational and more detailed then "its coming".
We have less than a week left in the month! Once Feb comes around, people are really going to question your ideas of the word 'shortly.' All we got in this post from Alyra was clarification of Ornery's words, which made them much more flexible than some readers caught the first time around. As far as "jumping the gun", Im pretty sure that was already done prior to kamael release. Perhaps since NCSoft failed to deliver, they could make up for their mistakes in keeping the community informed, rather than keep us in the dark. If you were making steady progress, dont you think wed be interested in knowing that? Dont assume we have faith in you, because from the countless posts in various threads you will see thats not the case. So if youre not giving us what we want right now, give us the next best thing, an explanation, an update. Not a vague idea of updates that could come tomorrow, next week, next month, or next quarter. Your job is all about communication, and you havent communicated anything useful in a month. Perhaps you cant make any solid progress in 1-2 weeks, or even a month. Whichever the case, you should be updating us, or at least lying to us, and giving us something. Leaving us in the dark until you come up with something on your own time is a terrible way of taking care of your customers. Can somebody go out of there way from NC staff over there for 2-5minutes and throw us a bone? I know Im asking a lot here from your weekly schedules, and I really hate to put you guys out! Honestly, what have you accomplished since December 12th of last year. Anything you think wed be interested in knowing?
There have been numerous threads about this. All have pretty much fallen on deaf ears. No offense to the hearing impaired, of course. I mean we can't fault the deaf for what Nature wrought. But NCSoft? Well, there's a different story.
I don't really think any further appeals to their sense of customer service will be any more effective than the others. What it comes down to is this: you either continue to subscribe and wait them out, knowing full well that you aren't going to get complete disclosure when you want/expect it, or you log off for good and find another hobby. It's as simple as that.
knowing full well that you aren't going to get complete disclosure when you want/expect it
Good luck finding a place that gives you full exposure. I want to know why Valve shamelessly delayed Half Life 2 Episode 2 despite assurances to otherwise.
I have to say thank you, So far almost every post since the
one I wrote has been constructive. As far as Half life 2 and
Civilization 4 and Other titles that the fans have had to wait
years for their release, (Very worth every wait).....
The fans were not paying a monthly subscription for sometimes
multiple accounts, and hanging on in limbo in the mean time.
As a direct negative effect there have been a large amount of new
comers to the server i play on using their own methods of catching
up to their own levels and gear of their old server.
Certain adds are comming in every 10 mins and less now
to myself and anyone in my alliance and who i know so far and have
asked. Market Prices are skyrocketing.
Thats another topic which If i can think of a constructive way to write
it and have constructive solutions brought forth without it turning into
a flame war I will post.
I noticed some suggestions about what people would be satisfied with
hearing and it does seem like a reasonable request.
I will keep checking back to see if someone from the staff has either
answered my questions or at least posted that they are not at liberty to
answer them at this time. I would be satisfied with something like that.
In the mean time way to post in a civilized manner and have a conversation.
Thanks again.
serious amazing.
is only thing i can say.
they r working on server transfer for like 3 month(assuming that they actually made effort to try give server transfer before kamael come online).
how long u guys need to provide something that was promise almost 2 months ago?
or was a tecnique to keep the bored ppl playing to get few more monthly payments.
is even worth to keep belive that ncosft will actually provide services they promise?
no wonder we have 8 servers that r light everyday and every hours.
the other 2 r mass ilegit servers that have basicly no control.
is so sad to see great game ruin by lack of proper support
Why are you people still posting about this? ~All you need to know about NCSOFT~
1.They dont care about you
2.They dont care what you have to say
3.THEY DONT CARE ABOUT YOU
how long u guys need to provide something that was promise almost 2 months ago?
or was a tecnique to keep the bored ppl playing to get few more monthly payments.
is even worth to keep belive that ncosft will actually provide services they promise?
no wonder we have 8 servers that r light everyday and every hours.
the other 2 r mass ilegit servers that have basicly no control.
is so sad to see great game ruin by lack of proper support
The others are of course illegit, but that's due to the number of people who, tired of the delay by NCsoft NA, have taken matters into their own hands: They have rerolled the sanest way possible.
Unfortunately, I think that if it was only a matter of a couple months, those bored people would have kept paying and playing. Now, however, those bored people have either joined the masses of illegal immigrants or quit with little intention of returning. More vanished than rerolled.
Oh, and it has been more than two months. It has been since 2004. From an L2 newsletter about "Character Transfers in the Works!": the results of evaluation and implementation of this "most requested feature" would be offered in the "very near future". Yay.
really i mean come on, how long does it take to code a server migration front+back end? its already been DONE in korea! all they need to do is port it over. i bet i could dev it inside 20 minutes.
not even joking.
Why are you people still posting about this? ~All you need to know about NCSOFT~
1.They dont care about you
2.They dont care what you have to say
3.THEY DONT CARE ABOUT YOU
I know that the transfers will be live a few weeks after the information is made available.
I just want to know what items you can take if any. Or X amount of adena.
Some thing like this would work for me and likely make most others happy too:
We are still testing, so some of the information may change .
Transfer Limits:
One set of armor and one weapon and 50 million adena.
You're hired you start monday ;) i just want the account transfers so i can move my one buffer over to the other account i got ^^
I know that character server transfers are supposed to happen, but swapping chars between accounts on the same server ?
They have it in Korea, and I would love to know if we are getting this service as well. Has anyone heard for sure if we are/are not getting character account transfers? Could someone from NCSoft let us know if this is even in the plan?
Hey look whos around! Im sure she has more important things to do as a community manager than manage an upset community looking for answers directly from her. Like.. locking threads, that moderator 1-x could be doing..
I kinda think that they are scrapping the whole "transfer" idea and may be really working on the "merge" idea instead.
But I could be wrong, it happens once in a while.
Personally I think they should scrap the whole idea of transfers and merging completely and spend time helping people get into game by removing all the GG problems and other new CT1 errors. Time could also be spent removing the bot problem and even creating events etc and also new promotions to encourage new players.
This would be time far better spent than helping player migration.
I kinda think that they are scrapping the whole "transfer" idea and may be really working on the "merge" idea instead.
But I could be wrong, it happens once in a while.
Personally I think they should scrap the whole idea of transfers and merging completely and spend time helping people get into game by removing all the GG problems and other new CT1 errors. Time could also be spent removing the bot problem and even creating events etc and also new promotions to encourage new players.
This would be time far better spent than helping player migration.
I completely agree - but this is NCSoft - they don't fix a dang thing - just keep creating new "features" (aka bugs).
I kinda think that they are scrapping the whole "transfer" idea and may be really working on the "merge" idea instead.
But I could be wrong, it happens once in a while.
Personally I think they should scrap the whole idea of transfers and merging completely and spend time helping people get into game by removing all the GG problems and other new CT1 errors. Time could also be spent removing the bot problem and even creating events etc and also new promotions to encourage new players.
This would be time far better spent than helping player migration.
agreed. fix the customer service and then start the advertisments. rejuvinate the servers.
I kinda think that they are scrapping the whole "transfer" idea and may be really working on the "merge" idea instead.
But I could be wrong, it happens once in a while.
Personally I think they should scrap the whole idea of transfers and merging completely and spend time helping people get into game by removing all the GG problems and other new CT1 errors. Time could also be spent removing the bot problem and even creating events etc and also new promotions to encourage new players.
Do you really think that will EVER happen?
Look, how many patches have we had since C1 that were aimed at correcting typos and "minor" bugs? Too many to list. And yet somehow on the Coin Quest, which I just undertook on my latest re-roll, Bernard still calls "Lakin" by the name "Rakin." Small flaw in translation? Sure, but my point is if the minor details get overlooked, you can best believe that some of the major issues will, too. Welcome to the World of Lineage II.
I don't mean to belabor the obvious, but the whole point of this thread is to call to attention that we have not yet received account services that were promised. Let's not give them a reason to get even further behind the eight ball, folks.
These comments are not directed at anyone specifically:
Lets not get off topic with the "we shouldnt even have server transfers" crap. They have already said they are going in. Don't like it? Go make your own thread to whine about it.
Back on topic:
29 days and counting.... can we get an update now? What is the hold up?
technically, you pay to play. whether or not that payment factors in the pay rate of NC's contracted employees is not your concern - its investors concern. remember NC doesnt only have L2 out there.
That would be really nice of them to tell us whats going on wouldn't it? But then again it's not like we pay for service. OH WAIT, we do.
We do... for now.
What is completely beyond me is how NCNA doesnt seem to even realize that they have to please us if they want L2 to keep on living !
I mean, those people go to work everyday thanx to us, the paying customers !
I run a small music label and God forbid i ever forget that i'm not the ultimate boss, my clients are !
When a company becomes so pretentious that they think they know better than us what's good for us, well... just take a look at what happened to Star Wars Galaxies, i guess some people were out of a job pretty soon afterwards :eek:
Or maybe L2 is now such a tiny-niche game that it only appeals to masochistic fanboys who're going "oh yes please NCNA, hurt me more" :p
Anyway, they better do this fast or else the already-negative image of this game, which is for now mostly conveyed by ppl outside of the game, will soon be joined by most of the ppl who're also playing this game...
technically, you pay to play. whether or not that payment factors in the pay rate of NC's contracted employees is not your concern - its investors concern. remember NC doesnt only have L2 out there.
True enough. While each and every one of us isnt technically owed a response, it reflects more than poorly on those who should be giving us a reply. Whether or not they implement the service at this point Ive pretty much lost patience in believing theyre able to do their job reasonably. I feel scammed tbh. :(
you feel scammed, i maintain my patience. and ive been waiting the same length of time you have.
Because it is a product you are not interested in. What "should" be of interest to everyone is them following through with their word. Who wants to be the customer of a company that lies at every turn?
you feel scammed, i maintain my patience. and ive been waiting the same length of time you have.
Because it is a product you are not interested in. What "should" be of interest to everyone is them following through with their word. Who wants to be the customer of a company that lies at every turn?
you feel scammed, i maintain my patience. and ive been waiting the same length of time you have.
Because it is a product you are not interested in. What "should" be of interest to everyone is them following through with their word. Who wants to be the customer of a company that lies at every turn?
when are you NOT the customer of a lying company?
McD's sells "healthfood" thats fattier and contains LESS food than the other stuff.
Microsoft sells a "new, 64-bit smart OS thats more stable and productive than ever" but sells re-animated XP-64 with bigger memory consumption.
Hell, go down to the non-advertised companies like Dentists. yes, they lie too. how many people know that denstists DONT make crowns? how many people know that Dentists charge 3x what their manufacturers make for them (crowns)?
even the ISO900x standarisation "rules" are complete lies. "a paperless revolution in high-tech industry" means Print that orderform 3x submit one to Purchasing who Duplicates it, and one for your own division, duplicated, and one to Head office for filing away should any of the previous 4 copies get lost.
so seriously, name me one company that always tells the truth and ill show you a river on Pluto.
yeah yeah blah blah cry cry i payed taxxes when i was in the army, so why wasnt i my own boss? instead of getting ready for the mass exodus now, why cant you just wait till you do know and then move or cry about how you can only take so and so many whatevers.
McD's sells "healthfood" thats fattier and contains LESS food than the other stuff.
Is it healthier then their other offerings? Yes, thus it is health food. Not a lie, check!
Microsoft sells a "new, 64-bit smart OS thats more stable and productive than ever" but sells re-animated XP-64 with bigger memory consumption.
Fail to see how thats a lie either. Vista is newer, with many brand new core components completely changed, virtually eliminating Blue screen's, etc thus making it more stable and productive.
Hell, go down to the non-advertised companies like Dentists. yes, they lie too. how many people know that denstists DONT make crowns? how many people know that Dentists charge 3x what their manufacturers make for them (crowns)?
Show me one dentist that has said they make their own crowns. Then it would be a lie. Good luck!
so seriously, name me one company that always tells the truth and ill show you a river on Pluto.
Show me one company (other then NCSoft) thats flat out lied to its customers and I'll sell you that river in Pluto.
McD's sells "healthfood" thats fattier and contains LESS food than the other stuff.
They also give you the nutrition info so you can see for yourself.
Microsoft sells a "new, 64-bit smart OS thats more stable and productive than ever" but sells re-animated XP-64 with bigger memory consumption.
Yeah, but everyone knows not to touch a microsoft product until its been out for 2 years. Honestly, I would rather NOT deal with microsoft, but they sort of have a firm grip on the OS market.
Hell, go down to the non-advertised companies like Dentists. yes, they lie too. how many people know that denstists DONT make crowns? how many people know that Dentists charge 3x what their manufacturers make for them (crowns)?
Marking up the price on something is not lying.
so seriously, name me one company that always tells the truth and ill show you a river on Pluto.
My statement was about continuous lies that NCSoft spits out.
Someone asked about
Korean Server Transfer Service details
Things you can take with you:
Equipped items, character level, skills, quests (including quest items)
Pets (Initialize the names)
Tattos, Dwarven/Common recipe books.
Transferable amount of adena per level.
lv40-51: 50m
lv52-60: 100m
lv61-70: 200m
lv71-75: 300m
lv76-77: 400m
lv78-79: 500m
lv80+: 700m
Things you cannot take:
Tradeable quest items
Unequipped items in inventory.
Items in warehouse/freight
Demonic swords
Friendlist, mail, macro
Olympiad points, Noblesse gate passes, seven sign infomation
Seal stones given to Priests
Limitations:
Same character can't transfer for 6 months after the first transfer was made.
Must be lv40 or higher and finished 2nd class transfer.
Only 1 character per week on same account.
Heroes can't transfer.
So lets just say that this is how it is going to be for us, the red-headed step children....
I see a lot of things be sold off, but still.. the adena amounts, very low at the higher levels BECAUSE you only can go with the items equiped and no WH or tradeable inventory items.
But within a month.. on one account bring over 1B adena.
So lets just say that this is how it is going to be for us, the red-headed step children....
I see a lot of things be sold off, but still.. the adena amounts, very low at the higher levels BECAUSE you only can go with the items equiped and no WH or tradeable inventory items.
But within a month.. on one account bring over 1B adena.
Who says what you are carrying has to be the same grade as you? Just bring over a lvl 40 with full drac leather, a drac bow, boss jewels, and a zaken hat.
Someone asked about
Korean Server Transfer Service details
Things you can take with you:
Equipped items, character level, skills, quests (including quest items)
Pets (Initialize the names)
Tattos, Dwarven/Common recipe books.
Transferable amount of adena per level.
lv40-51: 50m
lv52-60: 100m
lv61-70: 200m
lv71-75: 300m
lv76-77: 400m
lv78-79: 500m
lv80+: 700m
Things you cannot take:
Tradeable quest items
Unequipped items in inventory.
Items in warehouse/freight
Demonic swords
Friendlist, mail, macro
Olympiad points, Noblesse gate passes, seven sign infomation
Seal stones given to Priests
Limitations:
Same character can't transfer for 6 months after the first transfer was made.
Must be lv40 or higher and finished 2nd class transfer.
Only 1 character per week on same account.
Heroes can't transfer.
Alyra, Ornery, someone...please confirm if this is how the server transfers will work here.
Also, does ancient adena have the same allocation bins as adena, or will it be treated as an unequippable item in inventory or a tradeable quest item (granted, extremely loose constructionism there, but you get the gist), which cannot be transferred? Thanks!
***
Anyone else foresee high volume commodity liquidations in the not too distant future? Like all worldly goods upon death, you can't take it with ya! Might as well sell them to my 1 adena buy mats shop. :D
i payed taxxes when i was in the army, so why wasnt i my own boss?
Wrong, unless you were in some sort of non-governemnt mercenary army, state was paying taxes for you. You as state employee was paying again to state. Just reallocating resources from one resort to another :p
Back to topic: are you sure you can transfer items that you equip? I heard (read) in Korea you go naked, just with max amount of money by that table above.
But within a month.. on one account bring over 1B adena.
Not a month, a week. And not 1B, but billions . How many accounts do you have?
Who says what you are carrying has to be the same grade as you? Just bring over a lvl 40 with full drac leather, a drac bow, boss jewels, and a zaken hat.
Also, I made the assumption that the equiped items must be grade specific - yes you could bring over hordes of level 40 kamels (cuz you can go 1-40 in about a week or less assuming you know what you are doing) with S grade equipment but gotta think that that would not be allowed.
and I have 4 accounts between me and the better half.
But lets just say that what Yurha posted was the rules.
No - AA, mats, parts, recs (unless in a craft book), tradeable quest parts and anything that can not equiped on a toon.
The markets will be all messed up with people trying to sell/craft all they can and as fast as they can to transfer adena (or a toon) to another one - which in a way is a good idea.
Now if they allow a toon to take any grade items regardless of level - LOL OE drac bow w/focus here I come.
And let me help and answer for Alrya/Orney/Spam: "We will let you know the rules Soon (TM)"
Oh, and not being able to take "friendslist/mail/macros" - NERF!!!! LOL
Oh, and not being able to take "friendslist/mail/macros" - NERF!!!! LOL
It only makes sense. Characters from the friends list and mail may or may not exist on the new server. Macros can reference players (/target name) that may or may not exist either.
This service is going to be exploited very badly. Not knowing the official rules yet, we can only speculate what the exploits will be. IMO, they should only allow one transfer per account every 6 months and gear should be within grade. Creating a new level 40 character once a week and transfering epics/OE A- and S-grade gear and lots of adena won't be good for either server.
Yea, to be honest, maybe they did some analsys on the player accounts, and figured out that we, the players, would WTH OWNED server transfer and are figuring out the best way to make it so that you do not want to transfer.
OMG, 13 pages of worthless text. They will let you know when the service is ready. They will let you know what the "rules" of the service when they have worked all that out. They will let you do it when they are ready to offer the service. What is so hard about this?
OMG, 13 pages of worthless text. They will let you know when the service is ready. They will let you know what the "rules" of the service when they have worked all that out. They will let you do it when they are ready to offer the service. What is so hard about this?
You obviously are missing a few brain cells if you coudnt figure it out and actually read all 13 pages.
Someone asked about
Korean Server Transfer Service details
Things you can take with you:
Equipped items, character level, skills, quests (including quest items)
Pets (Initialize the names)
Tattos, Dwarven/Common recipe books.
Transferable amount of adena per level.
lv40-51: 50m
lv52-60: 100m
lv61-70: 200m
lv71-75: 300m
lv76-77: 400m
lv78-79: 500m
lv80+: 700m
Things you cannot take:
Tradeable quest items
Unequipped items in inventory.
Items in warehouse/freight
Demonic swords
Friendlist, mail, macro
Olympiad points, Noblesse gate passes, seven sign infomation
Seal stones given to Priests
Limitations:
Same character can't transfer for 6 months after the first transfer was made.
Must be lv40 or higher and finished 2nd class transfer.
Only 1 character per week on same account.
Heroes can't transfer.
no limitation on light and heavy servers?
wierd. :eek:
Yeah, like it takes a brain surgeon to figure out 13 pages of crying about something you can’t change and asking for someone to tell you something they don’t know. When they know how the service will be run the will tell us. When they know when the service will be available they will tell us.
Posting in a thread for 13 pages is not going to change anything or get them to tell you something.
Yeah......well it lets them know that the community which they are supposed to be serving isnt very happy with them.
Maybe after 25 pages or so it will sink in.
Allot of folks might just be serious enough about this to quit due of the inability of NCNA to deliver on something they have been hinting about for ages, and stated woul be available with the CT1 update.
Something very much desired by a large number of us.
Understandably not everyone is interested in said services, so move on.....read another thread......stop puting down the folks trying to fight for our rights.
Yeah, like it takes a brain surgeon to figure out 13 pages of crying about something you can’t change and asking for someone to tell you something they don’t know. When they know how the service will be run the will tell us. When they know when the service will be available they will tell us.
You think NCSoft NA is making these rules?
ROFL.
The rules are already there, we simply need the confirmation. They've also said they are testing it, so they obviously know a few things.
They've also given a timetable, which they havent kept.
Yeah, like it takes a brain surgeon to figure out 13 pages of crying about something you can’t change and asking for someone to tell you something they don’t know. When they know how the service will be run the will tell us. When they know when the service will be available they will tell us.
Posting in a thread for 13 pages is not going to change anything or get them to tell you something.
You see it as crying eh? I guess you should proceed through life without asking questions and accepting whatever you are given. Good sheep! :D
Things you cannot take:
Unequipped items in inventory.
Please tell me as soon as possible that this will also be the case here in NA/Europe so i can quit right now and save myself the 15$ a month for the endless months where you'll be lying to us saying that it's gonna come "soon"...
Heck, even in SWG, when you change server, you can take your houses with you !!! :mad:
This is so unrealistic. What if you are Main/Sub/Sub/Sub... you need a set of armor for each, plus a weapon for each. Maybe these rules were established before subclasses were put into effect? I suppose you could sell all of that before you go and re-buy the stuff on the new server... but then there is too much adena flooding the economy, creating a false economic situation. Haven't we learned enough from the Federal Reserve fiasco?????
They need to test things like integration into the website so you can look up name changes for instance.
Ummm.... that shouldn't take a month to test. Until they tell us what they are doing, the only thing we can assume is that they are testing our patience.
I really think it's just another example of how NCNA has completely given up on Lineage II...
I mean, the website hasnt been updated since C4, and the only update they made (the Kamael) doesnt even have the right Class names (Dragoon/Trooper) !
All the CT1 bugs still havent been fixed (chatbox, undockable windows, ...) , even these forums arent monitored during the weekend, how amateurish is that ?
To be honest, i can totally understand why they dont give a [censored] anymore about this game, with less and less and less ppl playing it, but at least they could be honest for once and say "look, we're very busy preparing for Aion and Lineage III (if our codes dont get stolen for the 3rd time :p), so enjoy Lineage II as it is right now or quit, because from now on it wont be supported anymore"...
I said "Things like", I am sure there's plenty of things to test. They already told you what they were doing, that they are testing it.
Thats like saying "i'm working on it" when the boss asks you for a report and you are too busy playing tetris to give a real answer.
I am sick of the vague answers. How would you like it if you took your car in for an oil change and they wouldnt tell you how long it would take, just that it would be done "soon". 3 years later they call you up and tell you come on in to the shop, it will be done "soon".
Yeah... cause thats not long at all. Oh sorry boss, that big project thats worth a mil or 2 got pushed back a month cause lvl 15 on tetris kept screwing me up. Do I still get that bonus I was promised for being on time?
lol exactly. "I'm working on it" doesn't fly in just about all jobs. People need to stop making excuses for the horrible delay, unless they work for Ncsoft. IMO.
Someone asked about
Korean Server Transfer Service details
Things you can take with you:
Equipped items, character level, skills, quests (including quest items)
Pets (Initialize the names)
Tattos, Dwarven/Common recipe books.
Transferable amount of adena per level.
lv40-51: 50m
lv52-60: 100m
lv61-70: 200m
lv71-75: 300m
lv76-77: 400m
lv78-79: 500m
lv80+: 700m
Things you cannot take:
Tradeable quest items
Unequipped items in inventory.
Items in warehouse/freight
Demonic swords
Friendlist, mail, macro
Olympiad points, Noblesse gate passes, seven sign infomation
Seal stones given to Priests
Limitations:
Same character can't transfer for 6 months after the first transfer was made.
Must be lv40 or higher and finished 2nd class transfer.
Only 1 character per week on same account.
Heroes can't transfer.
no limitation on light and heavy servers?
wierd. :eek:
Yes, sorry I forgot to include.
You cannot transfer to servers that are extremely heavy.
When you try to transfer, it shows the servers that you can transfer. Since Korea has relax/non pvp servers, some servers are not transferable due to their different settings.
Though I don't think NCNA would put limits on what servers we can transfer to since Korean heavy server doesn't equal to our heaviest server.
Someone asked about
Korean Server Transfer Service details
Things you can take with you:
Equipped items, character level, skills, quests (including quest items)
Pets (Initialize the names)
Tattos, Dwarven/Common recipe books.
Transferable amount of adena per level.
lv40-51: 50m
lv52-60: 100m
lv61-70: 200m
lv71-75: 300m
lv76-77: 400m
lv78-79: 500m
lv80+: 700m
Things you cannot take:
Tradeable quest items
Unequipped items in inventory.
Items in warehouse/freight
Demonic swords
Friendlist, mail, macro
Olympiad points, Noblesse gate passes, seven sign infomation
Seal stones given to Priests
Limitations:
Same character can't transfer for 6 months after the first transfer was made.
Must be lv40 or higher and finished 2nd class transfer.
Only 1 character per week on same account.
Heroes can't transfer.
no limitation on light and heavy servers?
wierd. :eek:
Yes, sorry I forgot to include.
You cannot transfer to heavy servers.
When you try to transfer, it shows the servers that you can transfer. Since Korea has relax/non pvp servers, some servers are not transferable.
Thanks for giving us the heads-up. It will be interesting to see what happens next...if anything.
Well, technically, its a little over 2 years overdue, considering the first newsletter said they were coming "soon".
Yeah, but that really doesn't count, as that was a
(censored) by previous CM to even mention it....he got ahead of himself and posted something that was planned back then in Korea, but didn't materialize until later even over there afaik.
This is so unrealistic. What if you are Main/Sub/Sub/Sub... you need a set of armor for each, plus a weapon for each. Maybe these rules were established before subclasses were put into effect? I suppose you could sell all of that before you go and re-buy the stuff on the new server... but then there is too much adena flooding the economy, creating a false economic situation. Haven't we learned enough from the Federal Reserve fiasco?????
I believe this service was established after subclass system was updated, and still is in force in Korea.
It is to prevent people from abusing transfer service.
But I do think it's a little too harsh.
I wish they would at least let us take what's in our inventory.
If I ever transfer, I'll get very rich (according to my standards)!
I got 1 lvl 54 toon on Franz, 1 lvl 54 and 1 lvl 55 on Lionna + 2 lvl 40 on Franz and 1 lvl 40 on Lionna => in 5 weeks time, I can transfer them all to another server and get 650 mil. And I never had more than 3.5 mil on a toon :P
When you transfer you don't get adena Rapetout!
The amount of adena that has been listed next to the character levels shows the maximum amount of adena that you are allowed to bring.
technically, you pay to play. whether or not that payment factors in the pay rate of NC's contracted employees is not your concern - its investors concern. remember NC doesnt only have L2 out there.
TBH all I heard was
" Spudnik: technically, I am a huge fan boy"
Yay, all those years of crying have finally paid off. If you guys didn't post in all these threads over the past two years it would have taken much longer [/sarcasm]. It is sad that most of you believe these threads made a difference.
Fanboi or not, I did not stress over “when” these services would be made available and yet they are here today. Nothing earth shattering about this, those that can afford them will make the changes.
Just another day, nothing to see here, so move along.
Yay, all those years of crying have finally paid off. If you guys didn't post in all these threads over the past two years it would have taken much longer [/sarcasm]. It is sad that most of you believe these threads made a difference.
Fanboi or not, I did not stress over “when” these services would be made available and yet they are here today. Nothing earth shattering about this, those that can afford them will make the changes.
Just another day, nothing to see here, so move along.
I'm sorry, but I like to hold companies I deal with to higher standards than kindergarten special ed children. If thats all you expect from NCSoft, then by all means, invest in my time machine company. I promise I will have it built by the end of the year.
When you make a time machine then talk to me. Your post makes no sense at all. I do not invest in NCSoft. I highly doubt you invest in NCSoft. I pay for the services they currently have available. My monthly fee is not an investment in the future services promised. The fees I pay allow me to login and use what is currently functioning. These fees do not grant me the authority to cry about what NCSoft should do with their product or the services they provide me.
The self-righteous posture, in which you guys demand stuff from NCSoft, just because you pay them to play their GAME, is laughable.