they seem messed up. i got fighter buff instead of mage buff. i got bless body instead of bless soul and vamp rage instead of acumen =/ whats going on? am i going to get haste instead of empower too?? this is bad for me...
they seem messed up. i got fighter buff instead of mage buff. i got bless body instead of bless soul and vamp rage instead of acumen =/ whats going on? am i going to get haste instead of empower too?? this is bad for me...
L1 to L20 you get warrior buffs, (yes that includes haste) L20 to end of newbie buffs you get Mage buffs...and for the most part mage buffs suck for Orc Mystics.
Empower does next to nothing for damage or land rate on DoT spells, and the buff spells don't benefit from them either. And you'll level faster just meleeing things to death than you can do with DoT/Sleep combos. The best you could do is mix up DoT/Melee and you don't need mage buffs for that at all...much less robes.
Orc Mystics are not Nukers. The builds and setups that work for Spellhowlers or Necro's does not work the same for an Orc. Orc Mystics are more buffer/debuffer over everything else. With a smattering of DoT, Heal and CC munged in.
I'd be FAR happier if they gave Orc Shamans melee buffs, just like you get until L20.
they seem messed up. i got fighter buff instead of mage buff. i got bless body instead of bless soul and vamp rage instead of acumen =/ whats going on? am i going to get haste instead of empower too?? this is bad for me...
It's bad for anyone playing an Orc caster. I can't think of a single reason why people would opt for caster buffs. Yet another nonsensical move that shouldn't need to be corrected since it never should have been implemented in the first place.
totally agree, i just rolled a shammy for first time ever and was disappointed with mgae buffs at lvl 20, totally hindered my progress since i dont have VR now. You lot roll with Heavy armour or robes? Im in mithril at the mo for speed, but i only have 450 hp... so without vr i cant take many hits running melee but i like the speed. I have full brig set if i need it... what you think:
I do sooo think they should swap this in next update. its totally backwards for a shammy.
totally agree, i just rolled a shammy for first time ever and was disappointed with mgae buffs at lvl 20, totally hindered my progress since i dont have VR now. You lot roll with Heavy armour or robes? Im in mithril at the mo for speed, but i only have 450 hp... so without vr i cant take many hits running melee but i like the speed. I have full brig set if i need it... what you think:
Brig is clutch for 20-39. I always loved heavy armor on my WC since cast speed only really matters with your Life Drain and Dreaming Spirit(sleep) spells. With the right buffs and Soul Cry Shaman are straight melee beasts so heavy armor makes sense in regards to mitigating HP losses while bashing things close up.
I do sooo think they should swap this in next update. its totally backwards for a shammy.
Unless they gave Shaman caster buffs for a specific reason in order to keep them inline with other classes(read: balance, which makes absolutely no sense) my beef is that no player who knew anything about Orc casters would have given them caster buffs, so why is it like this even now?
It's just curious and it makes me question their thinking.
think i'll swap to my +6 brig set then. :) :) :) :) :)
give the mithril to my SO. havent managed to get that to +6 yet though, cant get enough blessed EADs.
Unless they gave Shaman caster buffs for a specific reason in order to keep them inline with other classes(read: balance, which makes absolutely no sense) my beef is that no player who knew anything about Orc casters would have given them caster buffs, so why is it like this even now?
It's just curious and it makes me question their thinking.
If I remember the blah translations correctly, (as well as past chronicles) Orc Mystics used to get the mage buffs all the way to L40. But the Koreans complained loud and hard enough that they changed the 1-20 buffs to melee.
Which makes sense, as all other mystics start with a Windstrike...and orcs get Soul Cry instead.
Why they didn't change the 20-40 buffs to match is less sensible. You don't magically get a nuke at L20, you can't spam drains and melee buffs help far more for DoT/melee and mage buffs are equally as useless for DoT/Sleep combos. (Which is highly inefficient overall anyway.)
Since I was in the process of leveling a new Orc Mystic (Warcryer to be :) ) when I saw this thread I thought I'd test something. It looks like the buff change is not based on the level that you are, but when you actually change from Mystic to Shaman.
I was out leveling to 20 and when I soe'd to town my WW had only a short time left so I buffed before heading over to change to Shaman and I still got the fighter buffs. As soon as I changed class to Shaman I came back to get buffs again and got the mage buffs.
So, in theory, if you wanted to level to 40 as melee you could just not do the class change to Shaman and get fighter buffs. Well at least until lvl 35 when they start dropping off.
I took screenshots I could post if anyone is that interested LOL :D
Sorry to revive an old thread, but I just started to play an orc mage (shes lvl26 now ... future OL) and shes getting Warrior buffs, so it looks it has been changed in some updates already. So she can solo in catas quite nicely.
"so it looks it has been changed in some updates already."
This just happened in the most recent update. I made a shaman about a week before HB went live, was getting mystic buffs as a Shaman, now I'm getting fighter buffs as Shaman. So, yeah, the Mystic AND Shaman classes are both getting Fighter buffs. :)
Well...it depends on how you play....I hate meleeing on my shaman....
If I wanted melee I would go for fighter...what I usually do is sleep/freezing flame/venom...I watch the mob get to 1hp and then it's down on 1 blow...
So,I'd rather have mystic buffs than warrior ones...
Also,exactly because of how I play,I always go for robes....extra mp ftw...
+I get to use drain to 1 shoot mobs sometimes...
Overall...I think giving the orc mystics warrior buffs is as "smart" as not giving soulbreakers the ability to convert mystic weapons to kamael ones thus not using their magical abilities at 100%...
Both classes are forced to go down only 1 path,that of melee....
Get a BB (a clean one works), head to NoS (later Pilgrims/Heretics), and beat the crap out of everything :) . That's what I did for my WC. This worked until I stopped getting VR from newbie buffs.
With my Shaman-to-OL it was a bit different. One, I didn't want to use shots and 2, I had robes and a SoL. I got mystic buffs then so I used magic attacks, hunted the way you're talking about. I much prefered soloing NoS with a BB and fighter buffs for my Shaman-to-WC.
EDIT: Come to think of it, my OL didn't have access to newbie buffs after 25(?) because of when it was made. Only my WC had access to the new newbie buff system. Changes things quite a bit, regardless, I'd rather melee a shaman than magic it.
Yeah, they changed the buffs for 1-40 to melee ones. After the second class change though you get the caster buffs again. Somehow screwed my WC up a litte bit as I have to use Steal Essence every now and then.
Unfortunately Soul Cry + Steal Essence will drain your mana pretty good.