Should it take this long to get an S armor recipe?

I have been hunting Ketra orcs with me SH/SE combo since level 70. At the very beginning of level 75 for my SH, I started saving molars for a main armor recipe. This weekend I finished getting the molars (only my SH has the quest), and my SH (subclass) became a Storm Screamer. The SE has also gone up a level during this time.

Does anyone else think this way too much effort to get a recipe? How many levels are you expected to spend doing this quest?

Too bad I didn't get the recipe, just the crappy 850k adena. I still need IC BP and gaiters recipe (need IC for my main). Looks like I will have to spend another level in Ketra.

please let the bots do it for you, as designed by NC USA.

please let the bots do it for you, as designed by NC USA.

Lol, my wife would kill me if I paid for that many accounts. Some areas in Ketra are consistently filled with bots. My understanding is that most of the dominant clans use bots to gather resources, so they can spend more time griefing people.

I prefer to have some pride in my accomplisments.

Its not too much for a repice(just a recipe) that sells 300mil it self. Just my thought.

take 3 hours for me to get 750 molers.......at ketra

Lol, my wife would kill me if I paid for that many accounts. Some areas in Ketra are consistently filled with bots.

what 5 accs, maybe 6.

SH/ SH/ BH/ SE/ PP/ EE. BH leads, the SH's nuke what maybe 2 times per each SH. 6 chrs to leach recipes. spoils, and all support needed. (yeah I've thought about it some, seems the best idea, tho I could be wrong :) And no I didn't mention using any programs!)

take 3 hours for me to get 750 molers.......at ketra

That is consistent with what other botters have told me.

take 3 hours for me to get 750 molers.......at ketra

That is consistent with what other botters have told me.




botting kills slower then real players do you know l2 botting is just over a long time meaning killing without ss drrrrrrrr

but i guess you dont aoe :(

but i guess you dont aoe

Ketra is mostly a single kill area. It takes 6-8 shots to kill a single mob (warrior on up). My AOE (Tempest) is weak. If I attacked group mobs with that I would quickly die.

A nine man bot crew will kill just as fast as a single SH at Ketra. They can also handle the group mobs easier. A botter once told me he got 2000 molars a day. I am happy when I get 100 molars in a 3-4 hour evening.

but i guess you dont aoe

Ketra is mostly a single kill area. It takes 6-8 shots to kill a single mob (warrior on up). My AOE (Tempest) is weak. If I attacked group mobs with that I would quickly die.

A nine man bot crew will kill just as fast as a single SH at Ketra. They can also handle the group mobs easier. A botter once told me he got 2000 molars a day. I am happy when I get 100 molars in a 3-4 hour evening.



he obviously isn't a nuker

but i guess you dont aoe

Ketra is mostly a single kill area. It takes 6-8 shots to kill a single mob (warrior on up). My AOE (Tempest) is weak. If I attacked group mobs with that I would quickly die.

A nine man bot crew will kill just as fast as a single SH at Ketra. They can also handle the group mobs easier. A botter once told me he got 2000 molars a day. I am happy when I get 100 molars in a 3-4 hour evening.



You know, there's these classes called Warlord, Warsmith, Bounty Hunter and Destroyer which all have these neat polearm skills. You can pole both Varka and Ketra so really, getting lots of molars in a short time does not imply botting. And perhaps you should team up... AoE nuker groups seldom are 1 man groups, duh.

acually i am a SH

and i aoe mobs from a rock above a bot team pulling to aoe SO GF ill take my 750 molers every 3 hours and my 20% kk thanks

acually i am a SH

and i aoe mobs from a rock above a bot team pulling to aoe SO GF ill take my 750 molers every 3 hours and my 20% kk thanks

Isn't that environment exploiting?

Not really since the mobs can still get to you.

but i guess you dont aoe

Ketra is mostly a single kill area. It takes 6-8 shots to kill a single mob (warrior on up). My AOE (Tempest) is weak. If I attacked group mobs with that I would quickly die.

A nine man bot crew will kill just as fast as a single SH at Ketra. They can also handle the group mobs easier. A botter once told me he got 2000 molars a day. I am happy when I get 100 molars in a 3-4 hour evening.



have you noticed that different mobs have different drop rates of the molars too?
the group mobs dont give molars at all, same with the ketra hound. (this might have changed since i hunted there but i dont think so. i changed to hunt silenos back in c5)
"soldier" mobs have the worst drop rate, "captains" have decent and "generals" have best. but in my expirience the captains is usually best to hunt as they are fairly easy to kill and still have decent drop rate of molars.

You can pole both Varka and Ketra so really , getting lots of molars in a short time does not imply botting. And perhaps you should team up... AoE nuker groups seldom are 1 man groups, duh.

Several problems with teaming.
1.) Almost noone in my ally will hunt Ketra, as a consequence I am only level 5 in ally.
2.) Teaming with someone who is after badges seems to kill the molar drop rate.
3.) You need to team with someone who does not have either quest, but XP is crap and noone will do it.

As for poling, from your comment I guess you are not familiar with it. My main is a maestro. It takes me 20-30 swings with a weapon to kill a Ketra. Now image me having 4-6 ketra beating on me during that time, with only an SE as a healer. Not good.

If I solo a Ketra with shield and S hammer, and no healing, I will be around half health. I don't think taking on a big group is wise.

acually i am a SH

and i aoe mobs from a rock above a bot team pulling to aoe SO GF ill take my 750 molers every 3 hours and my 20% kk thanks

You should have said that in the beginning! Otherwise your post comes off as a wiseass comment from a botter, and you know that.

I have no problem with you ksing from bots. I have seen lots of bots in Ketra, but they are never poling. To ks the molars do you need most damage or last hit?

I don't think I could get away with it anyway. Lots of bots are owned by the big clans, and they will go red on you for messing with there bots. Lots of the true farmer bots use my craft shop at night. They say hi to me as the go to their hunting areas.

have you noticed that different mobs have different drop rates of the molars too?
the group mobs dont give molars at all, same with the ketra hound. (this might have changed since i hunted there but i dont think so. i changed to hunt silenos back in c5)
"soldier" mobs have the worst drop rate, "captains" have decent and "generals" have best. but in my expirience the captains is usually best to hunt as they are fairly easy to kill and still have decent drop rate of molars.

I know the dogs don't drop, but I don't hunt those areas. I did not know that the gruop mobs didn't drop, but I avoid those, unless they are physically blocking my only path. The problem with the generals is that area is heavily botted. I generally hunt warriors, soldiers, some captains and shaman (best XP). Of course I clear out the pig spawn also, although it is a waste of MP.

I think some people are missing the point. It took me 2 player levels to get molars for 1 main armor recipe.

Poling or AOE may get molars quicker timewise, but it will still take 2 player levels. Since I often clear out my hunting area with the SH (except for the group mobs that don't drop), I find it hard to believe that poling would be a huge increase in molars over time.

I have seen someone poling in Ketra, but he was a 77 paladin hero in full S grade with a cancel stick. And he still died sometimes.

KSing a bot train is a nice job, if you can get it, but it is not a strategy available to everyone.

As for poling, from your comment I guess you are not familiar with it. My main is a maestro. It takes me 20-30 swings with a weapon to kill a Ketra. Now image me having 4-6 ketra beating on me during that time, with only an SE as a healer. Not good.

If I solo a Ketra with shield and S hammer, and no healing, I will be around half health. I don't think taking on a big group is wise.

I'm a Destroyer, guess again. From your comment, I take it that you're not familiar with this thing called partying. IF you go poling, you dont go just with a Maestro+SE duo, that is a thing of the PAST and much lower lvls. Heck, I wouldnt take SE in the first place as the support toon.

Your whole post and problem boils down to the fact that you're trying to basically solo there and cant make up proper parties for it.

I think some people are missing the point. It took me 2 player levels to get molars for 1 main armor recipe.

Poling or AOE may get molars quicker timewise, but it will still take 2 player levels. Since I often clear out my hunting area with the SH (except for the group mobs that don't drop), I find it hard to believe that poling would be a huge increase in molars over time.

I have seen someone poling in Ketra, but he was a 77 paladin hero in full S grade with a cancel stick. And he still died sometimes.

KSing a bot train is a nice job, if you can get it, but it is not a strategy available to everyone.

you just suck then

acually i am a SH

and i aoe mobs from a rock above a bot team pulling to aoe SO GF ill take my 750 molers every 3 hours and my 20% kk thanks

LOL are you getting last hit on those mobs? So the bots do the work and you reap the rewards. Wicked!

I take it that you're not familiar with this thing called partying. IF you go poling, you dont go just with a Maestro+SE duo, that is a thing of the PAST and much lower lvls. Heck, I wouldnt take SE in the first place as the support toon.

I party all the time, just not in Ketra, because noone will go. But AGAIN you missed the point. A pole party might kill quicker, but the molars will be spread over more people, and you will be limited by the spawn rate.

As for the SE, that is what I have to support my SH subclass. It works fine. I don't have the luxury of multiple botted support toons.

you just suck then

I suspected from the atitude in your first post you were just a board troll looking to be a jerk. You have verified that opinion.

No, art is just a hero. And who was talking about botted support toons? Thats pretty much jumping the gun there mister. I dont know about you and your SE tag-along, but I dont support botting.

No, art is just a hero. And who was talking about botted support toons? Thats pretty much jumping the gun there mister. I dont know about you and your SE tag-along, but I dont support botting.

I dont know who art is, I am not on your server.

I have only one high level support toon, the SE leveled along with my SH subclass. You said the SE is the wrong choice, get another support toon. The implicaton being just grab another off the self. I know guys who can do that. Usually they botted up several support toons, or someone gave them an account that already had a high level buffer/healer.

If I want another support toon I will have to level it to 70+. For now, the SE works fine, and it will be a shillien saint in 2 weeks. I never intended to use it to support pole groups.

I am glad you don't support botting, I dont either.

I am trying to make a point about how much grinding it takes to get a recipe. Being in a party actually seems to take longer, which is why I chose to 2-box in ketra when my SH could handle it. Before that I used my meastro with SE (much lower then) buffer and 50+ bishop for healing. Talk about slow killing. If I got 3 ketra by accident, I had to run. In those days I use to beg for people to hunt Ketra.

You brought up getting a party, so I will tell you a story. This weekend my ally got a Ketra group going for the first time in weeks. I was hunting nearby and listening over vent. It didn't take long before I started hearing complaints, "where are the badges?". Badge drops seemed sparse, so one archer hunted away from the group to get all the drops. He got drops, but very few badges. He then dropped party, and it seems the badges started rolling in. The ally hunted for 1-2 hrs, but someone called for a rift, and everyone left, except me. Very few will hunt there for long.

This is why I have all but 2 of the S armor recs in my book, while the rest of the ally is stuck at level 3. Most people will buy their armor with purchased adena, get parts and recipes from friends who bot, or just not get S grade armor very soon.

I'm not on his server either. Art is on Lionna, I'm on Teon. As to support toons, Alliances and Clans are there for a reason. Failing that, friends are also something that usually help people with various tasks, like leveling...

To me, it sounds like your clan and ally isnt really devoted in getting equipment. If they like rift that much, meeeeh...

Btw, why are you adding the recipes in your book? Isnt there a crafter for them in Giran anyway?

You come off very bitter and somewhat ignorant if you assume most S Armor out there was obtained illegitly... What server are you from? Was Frintezza not farmed by larger allies? Just because the task seems tedious to you, you can't just assume others bypassed it, and cheated to get their sets...

well frintessa drop S grade armor etc, but you still most likely need to kill him 10-15 times before you have a full drac, arcana or IC armor set.

Btw, why are you adding the recipes in your book? Isnt there a crafter for them in Giran anyway?

That crafter would be me. I was the first crafter to set up a public craft shop for S grade equipment on my server. There are now other crafters with open shops, but I have the best recipe selection. As far as S grade, I am only missing the 2 IC main arrmor recipes.

There may be more complete collections, but those cafters don't set up shop for everyone. I am one of the highest level crafters on Erica. I have been told that several of the others were botted up to serve their clan/alliance. I guess that is why they don't set up shop.

As far has help with recipes, I have recommended to my ally that people hunt Ketra in 2 or 3 man grps for best badge/molar drop. With enough recipes we could trade around, and use the extra for my book. At this time I am the only level 5 in ally. I have been farming Ketra for well over a year, but I cannot control where others hunt. The support toons usually go someplace more intersting to hunt. That is why I have the SE. I spent way too much time hunting solo as an unbuffed WS

Man, Erica sounds so dead :P

I'll rather pay 1-5mil for the craft than put a 180mil rec in the book ;) Yay for lots of players!

You come off very bitter and somewhat ignorant if you assume most S Armor out there was obtained illegitly... What server are you from? Was Frintezza not farmed by larger allies? Just because the task seems tedious to you, you can't just assume others bypassed it, and cheated to get their sets...

I am from Erica. I craft for free for my ally. Only a few use me. Over the years I see clanies with lots of new equipment that I did not craft. I know these guys, and I know how they get their stuff. I also know (and talk to) some of the botters out at Ketra and Varka. They often craft with me, so they dont have to register recipes. Lots of the bot trains are run by guys in legitimate clans

I do know 1 guy who traded or sold every shred of equipment he had to get all his S grade, when it first came out. It now costs about 3 time what he paid. So he bought it legitimate, but he probable got it from someone who runs a bot train.

I am just commenting on what I see and hear. You may call it ignorance, I call it being observant.

If your clan is out there earning their S grade, then I think that is great. Most of my clan is also doing the same, that is why we don't have it yet.

Man, Erica sounds so dead :P

I'll rather pay 1-5mil for the craft than put a 180mil rec in the book ;) Yay for lots of players!

It was a hard choice. Should I sell the Drac armor recipe for 150+ mil, or put it in my book.

I decided to work on being the best non-botted crafter on the server. To me that requires having most of the S grade recipes, and keep trying for all of them. It also means keeping my shop up overnight in GIran. Some players have told me they appreciate my efforts. Even toons from clans that like to attack my alliance come to me for crafts. A few times I have been given recipes (Draconic gloves) by people who want me to make it available so they can craft. To me, this is part of being a successful crafter.

you still suck at farming

lol art ^^ im gonna use your trick when i need to farm out there, thanks for the tip :)

lol art ^^ im gonna use your trick when i need to farm out there, thanks for the tip :)

i hope the farmers pk you