On hindemith a clan leader has been banned, the clan owns a clan hall in goddard and apparently there's 1 billion adena in clan wh. so effectively that clan hall is out of use forever. just curious to know what GM's think of this? i think they need to be evicted.
On hindemith a clan leader has been banned, the clan owns a clan hall in goddard and apparently there's 1 billion adena in clan wh. so effectively that clan hall is out of use forever. just curious to know what GM's think of this? i think they need to be evicted.
Exactly what can a clan member with full access rights to a clan hall actually do with it?
silver you miss the point, even if they all leave clan (which they will sooner or later) no-one else can use that ch cos its paid up for like 1000 weeks..
silver you miss the point, even if they all leave clan (which they will sooner or later) no-one else can use that ch cos its paid up for like 1000 weeks..
I find that obscenely entertaining and I wish to see it take place. In fact, I think NCsoft should go as far as to commit it's art department resources towards creating alternate textures to represent the clan hall walls and floor getting dusty. NPC squatters should then move in and then it will burn down because a small cooking fire raged out of control.
The charred husk of the clan hall will then sit there as a permanent monument to remind people how funny a situation can be if a clan leader gets perma-banned.
Lots of weird Clan Hall stuff on Hindemith server. Like the MateseFalcon, MalteseFalconII, MalteseFalconIII, and MalteseFalconIV clans all owning Auction clan halls while you see almost nobody from these clans in play like ever.
What if they leaders gets unbanned after 2 months or so? Would be unfair for him to have lost his ch.
Note: I agree with you. I am just playing devils advocate
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I find that obscenely entertaining and I wish to see it take place. In fact, I think NCsoft should go as far as to commit it's art department resources towards creating alternate textures to represent the clan hall walls and floor getting dusty. NPC squatters should then move in and then it will burn down because a small cooking fire raged out of control.
The charred husk of the clan hall will then sit there as a permanent monument to remind people how funny a situation can be if a clan leader gets perma-banned.
The End
ROFL........love it :)
I'm sure they will get on it right after account services are up and running. :)
silver you miss the point, even if they all leave clan (which they will sooner or later) no-one else can use that ch cos its paid up for like 1000 weeks..
there is a reason for maintainance; sure i'm sure it is entirley possibly for a GM to pick pocket from any in game character.
They'll probably remove the adena from the WH next maintainance.
PS. the only thing that stops GM's from pick pocket characters is possibly the personal supply of adena they have ^^
I hear he got the leadership transferred. Maybe he got the ban mail while ingame and quickly transferred leader. We'll see if this is true come Tuesday.
In real life no one can benefit from a criminal enterprise, even if most of the rank and file were were completely unaware of leadership's wrong-doing.
The GM's should have banned the toon, dissolved the clan and returned any properties owned by that CL to auction/NPC control. Further, the GM's should severely restrict that character's access until the ban is complete. There should not be a chance for that toon to log on and transfer leadership, or grief other players.
It's funny how so many stick their chest out about how "hard core" this game is, but when it comes to clan punishment, they want every mitigating circumstance heard and every exception made. For all we know the clan hall was paid by ill-gotten gains.
I say seize all assets and reset. If the members of that clan are indeed strong enough, they'll rally together again down the road.
at least all his clan members still get the benefits right? go recruit more to clan imo.
Yup, and even if there was no money in clan wh, they could just put money back in there and keep the clan hall going. You can also access all ch management features even if you are not clan leader, as long as you have the privileges. Only things they cannot do anymore without a clan leader is take a castle and buy higher clan level (clan skills can still be bought by clan members with full privileges, I think).
I was banned and unbanned, i got D/C before i got the email though /shrugs
Different things for different people, my clan stuck around and so did my clan hall while the ban was in effect.
If you have full clan hall functions they could set the clan hall to auction make a new level 3 clan and bid on it with the new clan and just transfer it that way of course the money is lost but u keep use of the clan hall
Lots of weird Clan Hall stuff on Hindemith server. Like the MateseFalcon, MalteseFalconII, MalteseFalconIII, and MalteseFalconIV clans all owning Auction clan halls while you see almost nobody from these clans in play like ever.
Gosh - how could they possibly work that? ^.^
lol and one member of MalteseFalcon was recently begging money in dion from my alt char. maybe they just do it like this :)
Lots of weird Clan Hall stuff on Hindemith server. Like the MateseFalcon, MalteseFalconII, MalteseFalconIII, and MalteseFalconIV clans all owning Auction clan halls while you see almost nobody from these clans in play like ever.
Gosh - how could they possibly work that? ^.^
lol and one member of MalteseFalcon was recently begging money in dion from my alt char. maybe they just do it like this :)
I have doubts about that, if its true send me the name.
They say its permanent but all bans are reviewable by the senior gm staff IE HGMSpam and the the 4 other upper tier gms, if you get a response back from them then its permanent.
I really cant go into the reasons behind my banning because it might reveal certain things the gm staff might not want revealed. Some things are judgment calls thats all I will say on it.
If something like this ever happens to me I hope one or two of those HGMs play their regular toons in my clan. Cross fingers, cross toes, and cross my cats tails.
So .. ok .. say then after 4 weeks of the ban being reviewed, and the ban sticks the, clan disolved, CH put back on the market, CWH items go poof. Yes it s@cks for the clan members, but if you clan leader was not a fool, then it would not have happened in the first place.
IMO - same thing should happen if a clan leader quits and closes the account - of course this can be avoided if they transfer leadership.
Why should everyone suffer for the independent actions of a single member? Seems to me it would be proper and right to transfer the leadership of the clan to the next most senior clan meber if the lcan leadr is going to get banned.
Otherwise we end up with an Enron problem, where only the senior management knew knew and were responsible for the majority of the problems which were not known to most of the employees who were still investing their own savings into the company while the upper management were selling their shares off.
Elisande. Being a leader means you assume full responibility for everything. All under him/her suffer (or benefit) from his/hers decisions. That's the way it is.
And what is a "billing mistake" and how can it get you banned? Never heard of that.
Elisande. Being a leader means you assume full responibility for everything. All under him/her suffer (or benefit) from his/hers decisions. That's the way it is.
Why should everyone suffer for the independent actions of a single member? Seems to me it would be proper and right to transfer the leadership of the clan to the next most senior clan meber if the lcan leadr is going to get banned.
Why do you think the "next most senior clan meber" would be any different?
Billing mistakes are permanent though. Clannie got banned for that and NCSoft made it clear that they were never getting that account back.
I need an example of a billing mistake. This sounds a little scary. I mean I make mistakes... I never really look at my billing account. I would hate for some mistake that I am unaware of to get me banned. *shudders*
An example would be if I canceled the card my account is being charged on, and forgot to change it to my new card, the account get marked as a CC fraud account and banned. So if you ever switch cards, be sure to change it in your play NC account.
Yikes! I am glad you told me that. That actually happened to me once, but thank goodness they didn't ban me. My account just went dead, like I decided to cancel so when I tried to log in and couldn't I remembered that we changed cards. Paid them and it reactivated. I feel bad for anyone that has happened to. It would be an easy thing to forget when changing cards.
If you cancel/company cancels the card, then you're still ok, I believe.
Personally, I pay for 3 months at a time. When I can't log in anymore, I go to the nc website, I pay. Then, I cancel. That way they don't try to charge my card again in 3 months..
Charge back will get you banned, that's when Ncsoft bills you and you call your CC company and say, I didn't authorize this and the CC takes the money away from NCsoft.
I remember this happened to someone who was in the middle of a divorce once.
BTW the old nole posts clearly state it was hacked, with a rather hilarious link to a hero shout on Kain about a third party program.
Since the person starting this thread is a sworn enemy of that clan, no shock he is trying to harm them more. I think if any clan leader is banned or his/her acct goes inactive, the clan leadership should auto transfer to the next senior (longevity) clan member. Dozens of people in a clan should not suffer because one person decides to leave, or gets banned.
I'm sorry.. but if your clan leader gets banned - then tough luck for the rest of them. If the clan leader cared enough for the clan, then that clan leader should NOT do anything that would get him/her baned.
Its is called tough love ppl - and I bet the first time it happens, you will never see a Clan Leader being baned again for doing things against the rules because of what happends - loss of clan, loss of CH, etc.
I say to NC, make an example of the toon and the clan so that others will not do the same.
And btw I have no idea who the toon or clan is - if fact I could careless. I'm just happy that someone got banned for doing something they are not supposed to do.
And for those of you who say "well it was a credit card issue cuz I closed the account, bla bla bla" pffffss - so what you are telling me is that you are not smart enough to keep track of how your money is spent - then to that I say LOL got banned for being stupid.
Some of the credit card issues have been caused by the BANKS, not the persons using them. GG idiot. One such occurance was caused by a German bank which resulted in around 20 bannings or so.
Char - but those can be fixed, you get a letter from your bank stating that was the reason and send it to the company that you are trying to pay - if you don't believe me, then call your bank and ask them what happens when they (the bank) screws up, they will fix it for you. Now if your bank/credit card company does not do that, then you got what you deserved.
Also - Charm - is that what happened to you, or did you read that somewhere?
afaik (and keep in mind I dont play Hinde so afaik = what I heard on the rumor mill) that particular clan leader was banned for racial slurs not for credit card issues or whatever ... and those bans are never reversed tbh
So yeah, that clan hall will sit there unvailable for everyone until the money in cwh runs out, at least that 's what happened in a similar case in gustin in c3-c4
Char - but those can be fixed, you get a letter from your bank stating that was the reason and send it to the company that you are trying to pay - if you don't believe me, then call your bank and ask them what happens when they (the bank) screws up, they will fix it for you. Now if your bank/credit card company does not do that, then you got what you deserved.
Also - Charm - is that what happened to you, or did you read that somewhere?
gg right back at ya.
Dont know the difference between Germany and Finland, eh? No, it did not happen to me. It happened to a clannie and it took way too long for NC to fix it. You see, they dont really care even if the bank says its their mistake.
You have this childish faith in the system, dontcha? There's a fair number of unfair bannings that newer are lifted. Some of them due to credit card issues, some to just mass petitioning your enemy.
Char - but those can be fixed, you get a letter from your bank stating that was the reason and send it to the company that you are trying to pay - if you don't believe me, then call your bank and ask them what happens when they (the bank) screws up, they will fix it for you. Now if your bank/credit card company does not do that, then you got what you deserved.
Also - Charm - is that what happened to you, or did you read that somewhere?
gg right back at ya.
Dont know the difference between Germany and Finland, eh? No, it did not happen to me. It happened to a clannie and it took way too long for NC to fix it. You see, they dont really care even if the bank says its their mistake.
You have this childish faith in the system, dontcha? There's a fair number of unfair bannings that newer are lifted. Some of them due to credit card issues, some to just mass petitioning your enemy.
Being banned != bot, ebayer, EULA breaker.
Sue the bank. They caused damage through their negligance and owe you compensation.
No I am not familiar with the banking laws of Germany and Finland - I will give you that one... :)
Are there some unfair bans - I'm sure it happens, but from reading other accounts, sometimes you find the person did break the rules or you find out that they let their little brother used their account and guess what, did something againist the rules - Did the person who owned the account do something bad, no, but because the was used for something bad, it got banned (again, that is why u do not let others use your account) - this is just one example.
Now, I find it very hard to believe that if you presented proof from your bank that it was their mistake that NCSoft would not reactivate the account. And I agree with Hieverybody - sue the heck out of our bank if they do not fix the mistake.
Also, I am a little confused - you stated that it took NC took way too long to fix it, but was it fixed in the end - cuz we all know how fast NC is with things.
Still back on topic - I still think the whole clan should get disbaned (not the toons in the clan if they are legit) if the clan leader broke the rules and the CH goes up for sale.
One way to avoid the banking issues is to use time cards. It is inconvenient because you have to go and find the cards (or order with CC) and you have to login to your master account each time increasing the chance a key logger really gets you.
Tail - that is a good idea and when the timecards go on sale (at BestBuy no less) I will get a few and used those instead of having the fee charged to my CC.
Jackl - you are right that the forts kinda fixes the issue, but clan halls are so much more valuable - and yea, if the clan leader quits/banned, then the hall should go back on the auction block.