Two Account Services Are Now Live

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I'm pleased to announce that the first installment of account services are now live. Active players can now log into their PlayNC master account and purchase a Character Name Change or a Character Gender Change. Check out the full details here (http://www.lineage2.com/my_account/account_services1.html).
Character Server Transfers are on their way and we will have them up and running very soon. I expect to see them live in the month of February, and we'll have details posted about the transfer process no later than next week.

This is a really exciting time for Lineage II and we are very happy about finally getting some of the player requested services out the door. I look forward to seeing the player reaction to these services and will be closely monitoring the impact they have on the servers. It's our goal to provide a positive gaming experience for all players.

Thank you for your continued support and feedback,

Tim "Ornery" Tan

I'm pleased to announce that the first installment of account services are now live. Active players can now log into their PlayNC master account and purchase a Character Name Change or a Character Gender Change. Check out the full details here (http://www.lineage2.com/my_account/account_services1.html).
Character Server Transfers are on their way and we will have them up and running very soon. I expect to see them live in the month of February, and we'll have details posted about the transfer process no later than next week.

This is a really exciting time for Lineage II and we are very happy about finally getting some of the player requested services out the door. I look forward to seeing the player reaction to these services and will be closely monitoring the impact they have on the servers. It's our goal to provide a positive gaming experience for all players.

Thank you for your continued support and feedback,

Tim "Ornery" Tan



Ten Thousand! ;)
thanks :)

I plan to rename my dwarf.
Too late... But maybe if server and account transfers will be ready really next month, this can be useful.
finally ! thanks NC ^^
NIIICE!
YAY!!! i never thought i would live to see the day!
[censored]
at least we got some news finally.
waiting for transfer news next week
After 3 years !!! AWSOME !!!
HOLY CRAP... they actually gave a difinitive time frame.
Good, if it's not that expensive i might use one of them.

HOLY CRAP... they actually gave a difinitive time frame.



Haha. Well its good to know theres progress being made. Ill be looking forward to further info! :D
Below are the prices for the Lineage® II Character Name Change Service.

* Euros: €19.99
* Pounds: £14.99
* US Dollars: $29.99

30 dollars to change your name? LOL

Its funny that they can change your name for free if somebody reports you for having an inappropriate name. What a scam LOL
Yea 30$ is a bit steep tbh....
10 and 30 dollars to change two fields in a db table...
easy $$
I still hate the idea of names changes(ripe for abuse), but even though I might not like it I have to give NCsoft credit for getting two new services out the door and putting forth a definitive timeline on a third. It's a strong statement on the part of NCsoft in regards to their competency in this arena and willingness to add requested services to the game.
So are server transfers going to cost $50 I take it? This is a complete scam, LOL.
Thank you for the news, Ornery.

And now we're seeing what many of us predicted (and were called fanboys for):

You all have the information, and yet you still complain.

So are server transfers going to cost $50 I take it? This is a complete scam, LOL.



You gotta pay for the 3 years worth of development dude.
For Name Change:


You must remove the character who will be receiving a name change from his or her clan/alliances before you request a name change.


In Step 12 +13:

Please note that your selection is applied during a maintenance window. It may take up to ten business days before the change appears in game.



So:
Does one need to detag, apply for name change and wait for the change to occur before retagging? A possible 2 weeks?

or

Apply for name change, detag on a Monday night, change occurs on Tuesday, can retag Tuesday? Or need to wait for change to occur before retagging?

If it really does take 10 business days (2weeks), might have some annoyed untagged people out there :o


So are server transfers going to cost $50 I take it? This is a complete scam, LOL.



You gotta pay for the 3 years worth of development dude.



lool

Thank you for the news, Ornery.

And now we're seeing what many of us predicted (and were called fanboys for):

You all have the information, and yet you still complain.



We're talking MMO gamers man(cheap + negative + vocal). Calling your shot by saying that they were going to complain is like saying the sun is going to rise tomorrow morning. They'll get props from folks who are willing to give them and jeers from those who aren't. Either way, NCsoft was asked to produce these services and they did. That's the news as far as I am concerned.

Added: the pricing and limitations assuage some of my concerns.

Thank you for the news, Ornery.

And now we're seeing what many of us predicted (and were called fanboys for):

You all have the information, and yet you still complain.



No... you were called fanboys for saying "its ok that it takes them 3 years to develop this and that they wont give us a time frame".
So how are we able to track who changed there names ?
As this was the initial plan, so people could still see that xxxfarmerlvledaccountxxx is changed to xnormalplayernamex
I had the same fears when it comes to name changes. Im glad the made the cost a bit steep. But then again if people are going to pay what they do to get a lvl 75 fully geared toon named AU8234835 another 29 bucks isnt much to change the name.

It will however discourage the average player from changing names.

As far as changing the sex on a toon, 9 bucks is cheep but whats the point it does nothing to make the toon better.

So how are we able to track who changed there names ?
As this was the initial plan, so people could still see that xxxfarmerlvledaccountxxx is changed to xnormalplayernamex



Once a character's name is changed, the old and new name will be logged on a special section of the official Lineage® II web site.
I am actually kind of glad the name change price is that high, I don't like the idea of people changing their names in a game like L2. And as asked before, is there a way to see a name record for a player or something? (sexes I am not that worried about, although its odd.)
There will be a web page you can go to in order to check who changed names. It will be separated by server, and will be available after the first process executes next week.

And now we're seeing what many of us predicted (and were called fanboys for):

You all have the information, and yet you still complain.



I actually dont see much complaining.

Little grumbling about the price, but thats to be expected. (After all, WoW is what.. $9?)

Happy they finally gave a date for transfer info, but then, they did that for CT1 too, so we'll see.

Little grumbling about the price, but thats to be expected. (After all, WoW is what.. $9?)



My character transfer was free. That being said, the prices quoted by NCsoft are neither unwarranted or unreasonable. The services took a long time but they are here and at a price that isn't that big of a deal.

There are a lot of things I complain about, this won't be one of them.
Yeah, I expect grumbling, but not many out right flames.

Alot of complaints will depend upon server transfer prices/rules. If those transfers are like $100, expect some serious *****in.

You must create a new character with the desired name in order to reserve the name.



You're kidding, right?

It's bad enough some people had to delete a toon to make a Kamael. Now they have to delete another one just for a name change?
well i doubt that name change is sooo mcuh important so just dont do it iof you have sooo many chars


You must create a new character with the desired name in order to reserve the name.



You're kidding, right?

It's bad enough some people had to delete a toon to make a Kamael. Now they have to delete another one just for a name change?



I was thinking the same thing (10,001).

Now, not to mention the unmentionable game (WoW) but you can change your name by going to the website, picking the server and the character whose name you want to change.

You then put in the new name, and if it's not taken your name will be changed within a short amount of time.

So essentially it's all on the web.

What I don't understand is why the same thing can't be done here. You go to the account site, pick your character, put in the new name, the server's name database is queried, and if it is not taken you get a name change.

It also could be because the NC devs just didn't work any of this into their code and essentially what happens is that it is a bit of "patchwork". Probably why it had to be tested for a bit.
I am glad the name changes are as restrictive as they are (having to have a free spot for a toon etc.) If they were $5 and needed nothing else it would be a little crazy. I know there is a way to track the names, but not alot of people will check it after the first month or so. Your name and how people know you in this game mean alot more than in a game like WoW. A maxed out toon in L2 changing their name to escape their bad rap would be alot worse than one doing it in WoW, where you can max a toon in a few weeks.
"You must remove the character who will be receiving a name change from his or her clan/alliances before you request a name change" is ridiculous.
I may never use this service, but thanks for giving us this option.
Agree - I have no reason to use this service, but happy that is it finally here.

But, one thing I see, is that if you do not have a free slot you can not get your name changed... lame.
whats the point of changing your name if theres a track record of what name you had b4?
you must really hate the name you picked if you wanna pay 30 dollars for that
Thanks!!!

whats the point of changing your name if theres a track record of what name you had b4?
you must really hate the name you picked if you wanna pay 30 dollars for that



Well, for one, if you want to change the sex of your character, in many cases you will want to change the name. Also, you could have wanted a particular name and at the time you joined it was taken.

Now, it's available so you can have it. Also, and I won't mention any names, (cough, one of my clan mates) if you happened to come back to the game and made a kamael, and... not realizing because you had too many beers, you spelled your character's name slightly wrong (not realizing until lvl 11) you might want to use the name change to spell it correctly :)

whats the point of changing your name if theres a track record of what name you had b4?
you must really hate the name you picked if you wanna pay 30 dollars for that



The point is we will now have a reduction in EMO post about our community’s incredible need for these services. The mass exodus of those begging for these crucial services has been abated. Thousands of past players will return and game for a minimum of 6 hours a day. Each server’s economy will return to realistic levels. Rainbows will be seen across Aden and the L2 community will come together in harmonious song and dance.
Awesome job NCSoft!
You did a rather poor job of explaining it.. Could you please be a bit more detailed in the process? e.g how long does it take and such..
Very nice, now I have to decide if I really want a female cardinal... :)

As far as changing the sex on a toon, 9 bucks is cheep but whats the point it does nothing to make the toon better.



I don't know, Kruken. It's not a major issue, but I can't stand the way my female HE looks wearing Majestic Light. I'd pay the 9 just to change that!
Any answer to my previous questions? ;)


Thank you for the news, Ornery.

And now we're seeing what many of us predicted (and were called fanboys for):

You all have the information, and yet you still complain.



No... you were called fanboys for saying "its ok that it takes them 3 years to develop this and that they wont give us a time frame".



They haven't taken 3 years to develop this, this is something that was developed for Chaotic Throne 1. Please stop using the old erronous announcement by a CM ages back that isn't even here anymore.
Thank you Ornery for the information :) Your announcement is appreciated.



Thank you for the news, Ornery.

And now we're seeing what many of us predicted (and were called fanboys for):

You all have the information, and yet you still complain.



No... you were called fanboys for saying "its ok that it takes them 3 years to develop this and that they wont give us a time frame".



They haven't taken 3 years to develop this, this is something that was developed for Chaotic Throne 1. Please stop using the old erronous announcement by a CM ages back that isn't even here anymore.



It was a NEWSLETTER.
Yeah, it was a newsletter. And just because a CM that quit said something doesn't make it null and void forever. They are effectively talking as Ncsoft.
it costs that much to discourage using it only those desperate will use it
I know its splitting hairs here, but if I recall correctly, the only thing discussed 3+ years ago was server transfers not sex changes and name changes or accounts transfers (if indeed this last part actually exists). However the topic of Server Transfers has been talked about on and off for 3+ years and was as MrTeedOff said in a newsletter back then as an up and coming additional service.
YAY! now my friend can change his toons gender nothing like waiting 60 some lvls to say "**** man i should have made a guy toon so ppl dont keep calling me a chick" but w/e. Eagerly awaits info about server transfers, would very much like to bring my SE over.
LOL :) Right, or in my case, nothing like realizing everyone would take "AmberDrake" as a girls name, like Amber Drake instead of Amber like the color. I'll go girl for a few weeks to see how I like it XD

LOL :) Right, or in my case, nothing like realizing everyone would take "AmberDrake" as a girls name, like Amber Drake instead of Amber like the color. I'll go girl for a few weeks to see how I like it XD



hmmm, to be honest Ellie, I don't think there are many guys who would adopt the name "Amber" as a first name that associates itself with the color.

They might have something like "Rusty" or "Black Bart" but Amber is very feminine feeling regardless.

Might be generalizing but even I, a self proclaimed metro-sexual, feel that that is a bit less masculine!
Woah...
I guess they are alive after all...
Now let's see if for once they can stick to their word and really give us Server Transfer in February...
Another 15$ to wait then...

And for all the fanboys out there that are only able to say "yes Master, thank you Master", all of this situation with the community could easily have been avoided with just a little bit more communication on NCNA's part :eek:
Thank you for the few services. Thank you for thinking of a way to find out who is who by looking on their name ( previous name : hongfengbot01 ) .
I dont like the parts that you need to be out of clan , to create a new toon , to take up to 10 days to complete.
The cost of those is a bit harsh imo , but I dont plan on using them so who cares :).

It was a NEWSLETTER.



Which is something the CM writes up. I mean really, just drop the 3 year angle...I can understand it was a frustrating wait after the CT1 deadline was broken, but this whole 3 year thing is silly.

Yeah, it was a newsletter. And just because a CM that quit said something doesn't make it null and void forever. They are effectively talking as Ncsoft.



Everyone makes mistakes...He probably heard the news from Korea that they were coming and got ahead of himself. A stupid mistake, but really who can claim to know employees or companies that never make mistakes?


Yeah, it was a newsletter. And just because a CM that quit said something doesn't make it null and void forever. They are effectively talking as Ncsoft.



Everyone makes mistakes...He probably heard the news from Korea that they were coming and got ahead of himself. A stupid mistake, but really who can claim to know employees or companies that never make mistakes?



Did NCSoft ever correct their newsletter?
It was from a book.. siiiiigh :)
Forced to have one free character slot and to leave clan? Oo
Unacceptable conditions IMHO. You pay, you get your name change. There's no other game where it's so complicated. It's their job to check if the name is taken, and why would you need to leave clan? In order to prevent scam? Scam is ok in L2, told me Mr GM.
I'm rather amazed.

How is it hard to have the same naming text box than at the creation of a character on a website if you want it to be chosen on the website, or ingame through an undroppable, unsellable coupon in your character inventory (use limited in time) that triggers a window to choose the name when you double-click it?
LOL 30 bucks LOL koreans LOL


It was a NEWSLETTER.



Which is something the CM writes up. I mean really, just drop the 3 year angle...I can understand it was a frustrating wait after the CT1 deadline was broken, but this whole 3 year thing is silly.



Ok then, you dont want to say 3 years? Fine..

2 years 6 months then, since thats how long Korea has had it.

Game, Set, Match. :P
I'm guessing you have to leave clan because of the clan rights/list/clan skills/ranking.

Like if AmberDrake is in ClanA who gets the clan speed bonus, the luck bonus, is a heir status, has general rights to the clan hall, then suddenly Amber no longer exists but YellowDrake shows up out of nowhere... maybe it'll cause errors because the clan functions are looking for an AmberDrake that doesn't exist any more.

:shrugs: Just a thought :)

Did NCSoft ever correct their newsletter?



Did they ever correct themselves about moving closer to releasing simultanous with korea?

It was wishful thinking thats all. Regardless of whether its 3 years or 2 years, its stupid to keep bringing it up as if its really all that related to the current development.

But hey fine, if you really need something to harp about over and over again, then sure go ahead. Please pass NCSoft your timemachine so they can undo this, that seems the only way you'll be happy with anything.
Nah, they could start with banning bots. Another thing they claim to do, lol.
Good Job!
Thank you.
but just because we re greedy ****s, we want even mOre. :cool:
The only thing that I can think of why you would have to leave your clan, is that they are "copying" all the data in the DB about the new to the new toon.

Example (and a bad one at that):

Current toon named AmberDrake (yes Ellie I am using your example) has a system_id = 1

The new toon named YellowDrake has a system_id = 2

The DB team, duplicated all child relationship from system_id 1 to system_id 2

Now.. the only way to make sure that you can get the name is to reserve it ahead of time - so... when the monkey (aka jr DBA) is given a list of toon names to change he/she does not need to know when the name was created or if it was all ready taken, since the app already has the "no duplicate names" mod already programed, hence they just run a java script (or how every they want to do it) for each request.

I say this because, if I read the rules correctly it could take up to 10 days - if it was automated, it should only take a max of 24 hours - but again what do I know.

If I am correct - sloppy way of doing it, but at least it works, and if I am correct - LOL NC you pay your devs way too much money.


Did NCSoft ever correct their newsletter?



Did they ever correct themselves about moving closer to releasing simultanous with korea?

It was wishful thinking thats all. Regardless of whether its 3 years or 2 years, its stupid to keep bringing it up as if its really all that related to the current development.

But hey fine, if you really need something to harp about over and over again, then sure go ahead. Please pass NCSoft your timemachine so they can undo this, that seems the only way you'll be happy with anything.



I don't want your interpretation of this. I want the facts. Yes or No?
oO 10 days out of clan? That's a lot of time... and has a lot of repercussions: i.e. CH rights/buffs, it could encompass sieges and all of that, so you can't participate in the sieges ... If you are in wars, your enemies will still go after you, clanned or not, and so then you get a 4% penalty instead of the 1% penalty.... That is a lot of time. The only thinking I have about that is it is put in place to discourage name changes.

However, I think that if they have this need for you to de-clan, they can give you at least 24 hours notice that the name change will take effect, so you must de-clan if you want the change right away. Something like that. And then you are only out of clan for a day. Anyone can handle that, I think.
Well, thanks for the announcement.

So *IF* I needed a name change I would have to:

(1) request leadership transfer of my clan
(2) wait for tue maitenance
(3) leave my clan
(4) request name change (and pay you $30)
(5) wait for my name to be changed (tue maitenance)
(6) rejoin the clan
(7) request leadership transfer
(8) wait for tue maitenance

and at the same time also:

(1) select a character to delete
(2) Wait 7 days
(3) Make a new character with the desired name


Wow.
Questions

Does the character name change level 1 character have to be on the same account? and if so, how exactly does a person with a full account change name?

So *IF* I needed a name change I would have to:

(1) request leadership transfer of my clan
(2) wait for tue maitenance
(3) leave my clan
(4) request name change (and pay you $30)
(5) wait for my name to be changed (tue maitenance)
(6) rejoin the clan
(7) request leadership transfer
(8) wait for tue maitenance

and at the same time also:

(1) select a character to delete
(2) Wait 7 days
(3) Make a new character with the desired name.



"...And a partridge in a pear treeeeeeeeee!!!"

Somehow you just knew it was going to be much more complicated...and much more expensive...than it had to be. It's a good thing that I only want a name change on one toon, and I have no qualms about abandoning CL rights to do it. But for everyone else, HMOG. Might as well leave a pound of flesh while you're at it.
$30, really? For:

UPDATE charactertable
SET char_name = 'newname'
WHERE char_name LIKE 'oldname';
COMMIT;

REALLY?!?
LOL.. I am SURE it is not that simple.


Questions

Does the character name change level 1 character have to be on the same account? and if so, how exactly does a person with a full account change name?



that's a pretty simple answer, have to delete a character to meet the requirements of a lvl 1 new character.



Well, it doesn't specifically state that. And it would really suck if thats true, then I can't even use the service at all, since I am full on any account I would consider using the service on.
looking at the prices charged by the korea based L2, around $20 per service for name/sex change, i had already figured i'd be spending around $40 for both, overall im happy, that we finally can do this

i made my toon back in prelude, but im not a very fast leveler, being i like the take breaks from L2 every once in awhile, during one of these breaks, someone made a toon with a very similar name, and got botted or powerleveled to high level, and made a bad rep for themself, while i doubt thier choice of name was intentional, never the less, it makes me want to change my name, just because ive been mistakenly pk'd and harassed by people thinking im the other person.

O.o and i have no ideal why this **** forum post says Re:person above me ....
So when the character transfers come available what all can we transfer everything thats on the char and in said chars WH or what? I need to know before I start selling all my gear and stuff off....

whats the point of changing your name if theres a track record of what name you had b4?
you must really hate the name you picked if you wanna pay 30 dollars for that



Well, that's the point. If your toon has a bad reputation, you SHOULD NOT be able to escape from it by changing the name. It's good everybody can have a look and see that "innocentguy" was "wellknowngriefer" or "wellknownbotaccount" until last week...

The renaming service is still very useful if you chose some "hahafunny" name three years ago and now you're sick of it, or if you change your gender because you like the looks of the other gender better, but your name then would not fit anymore.

Or if you had a problem like a clannie of mine, who created a character, died at lvl 1, restarted in town, could not find his way back to the newbie gremlins anymore and created a new char with the same name and a "1" at the end because he did not want to wait 7 days for the name to become free again...

As far as changing the sex on a toon, 9 bucks is cheep but whats the point it does nothing to make the toon better.



female toons are better; they receive less fall dmg due to their weight being less compared to their male counterparts

(no that's no joke and actually true)

that is the only difference btw :)

The only thing that I can think of why you would have to leave your clan, is that they are "copying" all the data in the DB about the new to the new toon.

Example (and a bad one at that):

Current toon named AmberDrake (yes Ellie I am using your example) has a system_id = 1

The new toon named YellowDrake has a system_id = 2

The DB team, duplicated all child relationship from system_id 1 to system_id 2

Now.. the only way to make sure that you can get the name is to reserve it ahead of time - so... when the monkey (aka jr DBA) is given a list of toon names to change he/she does not need to know when the name was created or if it was all ready taken, since the app already has the "no duplicate names" mod already programed, hence they just run a java script (or how every they want to do it) for each request.

I say this because, if I read the rules correctly it could take up to 10 days - if it was automated, it should only take a max of 24 hours - but again what do I know.

If I am correct - sloppy way of doing it, but at least it works, and if I am correct - LOL NC you pay your devs way too much money.



That's pretty much how I think it works. You reserve a spot for a new lvl 1 char with the name you want, and they then simply COPY all the information (except the name) from the old char record to the new char record (overwriting any information like class, race, level, equipment etc. of the lvl 1 char) and delete the old record. And that would (in some cases, e.g. clan is full) not work if you are in a clan, because then you would basically take up two spots in the clan for a short time (old char and new char). Or if you are a clan leader, there would be two clan leaders of the same clan, and that would cause database conflicts.

So instead of just changing the name, they just copy&paste the old char information onto a new char which has the name you want. Very weird way of doing it, but they maybe do not want to mess around with charactername<->clan associations etc, so they make the toons rejoin clans via the ingame functions (i.e. being reinvited to clan in-game instead of changing the name "by hand" in all the databases where a character could be associated with something in game).
I wonder though, if you change your character's name say from AAA to BBB, and it's recorded that you used to be AAA, will someone else (or yourself) be able to create a new character named AAA, or is AAA still off the name list? oO

So are server transfers going to cost $50 I take it? This is a complete scam, LOL.



afaik chartransfers in city of heros/villians cost $ 8.99, so lets hope its the same for LII

LOL.. I am SURE it is not that simple.



I'm also sure that (in any DB design which is actually designed instead of "hastily slapped together") it should be that simple.

UPDATE
COMMIT

5 seconds of work.
according to the information here, its not one update cuz they dont change name of your character, they transfer everything from your character to that lvl1 character, dunno why, but seems like it works that way
Umm no, where did you see that posted aside from a random person's conjecture that this is how it works? It would be pretty ridiculous doing that, ie copying everything from charA to charB when all that needs changing is a simple dbfield. my guess the lvl 1 character is needed simply to make sure the name is available and to avoid 10 people trying to rename to whatever at the same time.

Umm no, where did you see that posted aside from a random person's conjecture that this is how it works? It would be pretty ridiculous doing that, ie copying everything from charA to charB when all that needs changing is a simple dbfield. my guess the lvl 1 character is needed simply to make sure the name is available and to avoid 10 people trying to rename to whatever at the same time.


Think so also. If they did it like that you could basically transfer a character from account A to B, which is not the case IMO.

If you looked here (http://www.lineage2.com/my_account/account_services1.html) you wouldn't have had to ask that question.



I had to ask that question since it doesn't answer it. What it says is:


you must create a level 1 character with the desired name on the same server as the character whose name you wish to change. This level 1 character and everything associated with it will automatically disappear when the name change process is complete.



It doesn't specifically state it has to be the same account. Who knows, maybe we're lucky and it can figure out all the characters on the same master account.

Umm no, where did you see that posted aside from a random person's conjecture that this is how it works? It would be pretty ridiculous doing that, ie copying everything from charA to charB when all that needs changing is a simple dbfield. my guess the lvl 1 character is needed simply to make sure the name is available and to avoid 10 people trying to rename to whatever at the same time.



Maybe, but there are many ways how to avoid 10 ppl trying to rename to the same name and most of them are easier and less confusing that this one.
Hey now, you of all people should know how NCSoft works with logic. If they had a sense of logic you would not be complaining about Prophets compared to WC with the stuff they add for WC.
And how exactly does the character transfer work? Is the character transfered w or w/o stuff and adena? Now I can see ppl from older servers flooding "new" ones :eek:

And how exactly does the character transfer work? Is the character transfered w or w/o stuff and adena? Now I can see ppl from older servers flooding "new" ones :eek:



We don't know exactly. Next week like Ornery said. Or there are posts that state how it is done in Korea.
Umm question does that level 1 toon need to be on the same account as the other toon thats going to have the name change? From what I read it sounded like there just has to be a level 1 toon on any account. If this is the case what about all the people with level 1 seller dwarfs in giran are we going to have to worry about people wanting there names and our toons/adena/gear being deleted? If it does have to be on the same account what if that account is already full of toons?
so there isnt a way you can pay with time cards or somethink cause i dont have credit card from a lolbank :/
no, lvl 1 toon created on the same account...

if your account is full of toons - tough - server transfer will be same i imagine
Character names: well people often have simply stupid names, maybe they didnt have time to name the toon properly when started playing and want to have a normal name now.
When I see someone called xxxbHYkdoxxx its destroying the "mmorpg" feeling... how in all hell would any living thing be called like that... so I hope those stupid names might disapear... but thats not up to NC... and bots, well they ARE robots, so they can ceep silly names...

Gender transfer... to me its a bit stupid but ok. When someone watched the backside of a male toon for 70lvls... then I can understand why someone would want to change male butt for female butt for the rest of the game...

Server Transfers: this would be quite interesting... they could delete some servers for good... make a more dense population on som eothers... I see many people coming to EURO servers becouse thats where the people are... but what will be the server status then instead of heavy? Uber heavy? Full?

The prices... well here we see that its aimed at the desperate...

I think its good there is this option, and the terms will not allow too much abuse... I definetly will not make use of those stuff

Umm question does that level 1 toon need to be on the same account as the other toon thats going to have the name change? From what I read it sounded like there just has to be a level 1 toon on any account. If this is the case what about all the people with level 1 seller dwarfs in giran are we going to have to worry about people wanting there names and our toons/adena/gear being deleted? If it does have to be on the same account what if that account is already full of toons?


Guys it's common sense ... read the process. You login to YOUR plaync account and choose a character from YOUR game account to rename. Then you choose a character again from YOUR game account that will be sacrificed (ie loose his name and get deleted)


LOL.. I am SURE it is not that simple.



I'm also sure that (in any DB design which is actually designed instead of "hastily slapped together") it should be that simple.

UPDATE
COMMIT

5 seconds of work.



Maybe. I'm just use to programs with many many databases were a single command wouldn't work. Then again our program is kinda stupid... ;)
Considering that a GM can change an "offensive" name at the drop of a hat, this seems like a rediculously stupid process. Are they intentionally making it difficult for those who would truly like to use this?

If a name change is $30, I don't even want to think about what the server transfer process will cost.

Considering that a GM can change an "offensive" name at the drop of a hat, this seems like a rediculously stupid process. Are they intentionally making it difficult for those who would truly like to use this?



Yeah, change the name with a moments notice, with no secondary toon needed, no dropping tags or waiting for the next maintenance.

Maybe the people designing the service were not informed of this, hmm?
maybe is expensive because most ppl that gonna use r the "legit" ones
I was wondering why NCSoft would choose such a convoluted process to change names. The name change service seems to be one of the cases where it was meant to avoid being taken advantage of. Well, it seems to work, but it works too well; legitimate players with accounts full of 60+ toons can't use it, or at least can't bring themselves to delete a 60+ toon for a name change.

Okay, this is just pure speculation, so just bear with me.

Ever since beta, account users have been making all sorts of toons, trying out all sorts of classes and essentially filling up the account with seven characters. Okay?

Enter C3 and the subclass system. Instead of filling up the account with toons of different classes, players can now have one toon with a bunch of different subclasses. All it would take was to "level" to 75, then go for another class and start at 40 without having to start from the very beginning. Therefore, accounts would have fewer toons but multiple classes. With me so far?

Up until C3, a majority of accounts were full. Now, in CT1, it’s possible that a majority of the accounts have some extra slots left, and full accounts are now a minority. Seeing this, NCSoft worked on implementing the name change service based on what the majority of the accounts contained, which were accounts that still have an empty slot or two.

In essence, majority rules.

Does that make sense? Remember, this is just pure speculation. If you want to criticize, add, or just plain call it nonsense, have at it.

Did I mention this is just pure speculation? I didn’t take into account the “soulless” accounts. I have absolutely no idea how many accounts are full and how many are not.

Keyword: speculation (aka heresay, aka theory, etc.)
This way a single GM can handle all of the name changes and keep a record (that will be available to the public) from all the servers. a GM having someone change their name because it is offensive is a fish of another color. it wouldn't be public record for instance if someone made a toon named [Censored]Face and was givin the option to change it to a non offensive name instead of being banned(just an example).

Working for Koreans myself i know how complicated the simplest things can become. this name change request form looks like it will help reduce some of the administration paperwork for whoever has to do ALL of the name changes.

but in my experience it doesnt work that way and that poor soul (whoever it is) will be doing 5 times the nessisary amount of work, 3 differant spreadsheets (none of wich are remotely needed for anything), and i bet they on a low salary too, get calls in the middle of the night from their boss for no reason and still HAVE to answer with "yes sir".

this is all speculation i dont work for NCSoft and have never visited their work place i could be totally wrong.

GG :D

This way a single GM can handle all of the name changes and keep a record (that will be available to the public) from all the servers. a GM having someone change their name because it is offensive is a fish of another color.


You don't think they log all name changes now? This is just a way to make sure that no one uses it so they can say, "See? We gave you name changes and no one used it."



LOL.. I am SURE it is not that simple.



I'm also sure that (in any DB design which is actually designed instead of "hastily slapped together") it should be that simple.

UPDATE
COMMIT

5 seconds of work.



Maybe. I'm just use to programs with many many databases were a single command wouldn't work. Then again our program is kinda stupid... ;)


Do you think I should name my toon Reiker'; DROP TABLE players;-- (http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/exploits_of_a_mom.png)???
its another way to get you to buy a 2nd account.
its much easier to get a 2nd toon to 40 ( and more fun with these awesome newbie buffs and shadow weapons) then it is to get your first toon to 75. if your account is full you will need to choose a toon to delete, get a trial account, or pay for a month of service for a 2nd account. whatever i dont care i have room on both my accounts even if i like my names just fine how they are.

its another way to get you to buy a 2nd account.


They haven't said specifically (unless I missed it) but I bet the level 1 toon must be on the same account as the toon whose name is to be changed.


its another way to get you to buy a 2nd account.


They haven't said specifically (unless I missed it) but I bet the level 1 toon must be on the same account as the toon whose name is to be changed.



The tutorial shows specifically that the character must be on the same account.



its another way to get you to buy a 2nd account.


They haven't said specifically (unless I missed it) but I bet the level 1 toon must be on the same account as the toon whose name is to be changed.



The tutorial shows specifically that the character must be on the same account.


Yeah, I missed it. Which goes to show how stupid this entire process is to begin with. I'm surprised that there aren't mini games and raid bosses involved...
WTB Stratics Name Change quest guide.
Great news, thanks a lot :)
Hope the servers transfers are gonna have some nice rules as well.




LOL.. I am SURE it is not that simple.



I'm also sure that (in any DB design which is actually designed instead of "hastily slapped together") it should be that simple.

UPDATE
COMMIT

5 seconds of work.



Maybe. I'm just use to programs with many many databases were a single command wouldn't work. Then again our program is kinda stupid... ;)


Do you think I should name my toon Reiker'; DROP TABLE players;-- (http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/exploits_of_a_mom.png)???



hahahahahahahaha

oh thats good stuff.
NCsoft US FTW!
GMs can rename in a handflick.
PlayNC account service needs you to delete your character and create a new one to change its name.

The lvl 1 character + leaving the clan sounds so amateur coding... They're asking customers to fiddle with the game in order to have a plain name change! That's awesome. Nobody believes one second the ID of characters is its name. Nobody on Earth would code that. The name of the character is just a parameter.
Obviously they want you to reserve the name before the server maintenance. But they're so weak that they need YOU to reserve it. Sunday coders I tell you.

There's no game in the world that would go that down to code a name changing service. I mean, Lineage 2 has millions of players around the world, add to that the other games of NCsoft... Not like this is a small compagny working in a garage !
That's ridiculous.
At last. Tho way overpriced!
Ornery,

Maybe you can pass this along to the powers that be.

I realize that your pricing has as much to do with hiring an extra body to help monitor all of these requests as anything else, but you might want to consider revisiting said price point for name changes down the road.

As this game ages, so too does it's player base. That maturation, more than anything else, is what drives name changes. Many of us want new names that reflect our current sensibilities.

Initially I had considered changing 3 of my oldest character names, but the $30 a pop makes that prohibitive. In fact, I may not even bother with changing any of them. For 2 months of service, which is essentially what a name change asks, I could delete the character and level him/her up again. Maybe if NCSoft NA had opted for a softer price point, you could fill your coffers with my perk disbursements...instead of with just my $0.02.

Just a thought.
I'm still curious about the server transfers.... do I need to sell off all my stuff on my old toon that needs to be transfered or what?
A question for Ornery or Alyra:

Can you do both a name change and a gender change in the same maintenance cycle?

The reason I'm asking is I successfully requested a gender change on a character, but now that char name doesn't show up in the list after I click "Apply Character Rename".

I'm assuming that I need to wait until the gender change is completed and then request the name change, but any clarification of this here or on the FAQ page would be great :)

A question for Ornery or Alyra:

Can you do both a name change and a gender change in the same maintenance cycle?

The reason I'm asking is I successfully requested a gender change on a character, but now that char name doesn't show up in the list after I click "Apply Character Rename".

I'm assuming that I need to wait until the gender change is completed and then request the name change, but any clarification of this here or on the FAQ page would be great :)



That's a great question and one I'll get added to the FAQ. Only one account service per character can be completed per maintenance, so it would take a maximum of two weeks to apply a name change and gender change to the same character.

I also have an answer for those who asked about whether a name change could be done between two accounts. Name changes must be done on the same account. You cannot create a level 1 "name-holder" character on account A and have that name applied to a character on account B.

I've also taken note of the question regarding when one must de-tag from their clan and alliance in order for the name change to go through/be available. Either I or Ornery will post with an answer shortly.
This is all just my thought: GMs can change name in a blink of an eye, but the problem is that if GM changes it, NC cannot control it and charge it. Therefore, they implemented such system with possibly no human interraction on customer's end to avoid some fraud or GMs renaming toons just for their blue eyes en masse. So you need to buy some sort of code and do the whole magic with level 1 toon. Some other systems, e.g. claiming to GM "but I bought my toon rename ..." could bring more confusion and arguing.
and while NCsoft NA is clowning us, i'll give you what it is done on korean servers (very quick translate with systrans soft) :

Main <--> subclass

Cuts updates participation chance
The class change is possible per the character only 1 time. Only, before the contents which it applies is possible being reflected to the cancellation and re-application.
Before applying, the case application of the part who applies a annexed service (before sex conversion, name change and account and before server) is impossible. After annexed service reflecting to apply at the next week, it wishes.
Once, the class change fact which is reflected wishes the rehabilitation is impossibility the 36th binary term of the sexagenary cycle giving a prudence to application.

Application possible character level
The main class level is below 80 levels above 75 levels, only the character where the subclass level is above 75 levels participation it is possible.

The case application where the main class is war Smith, the Maestro, the overlord and the Dominator is impossible.
In main class under the change boil the case where the subclass is the elf or dark elf,
To the case where the opposition race will exist in the subclass the application is impossible.
Adumbration:
The first time subclass the case application being not right where the Elder and the second time subclass will be the blade dancer

Kamael class other restrictions
It is a subclass only character which the inspector and 쥬 Dicke of the Kamael race shake off,
Conversion it is wrong in main class.
The Kamael race according to sex the characteristic occupation exists occupational change at the time of sex together becomes the change.
Adumbration:
Main class woman professional case, the change doing a main class with the berserker and the sex becoming the change with man Kamael.

Hero other restrictions
Only the condition where the case hero period which is a hero character ends application it is possible.

Inventory other restrictions
The reflection at the time of character within the inventory the case reflection to which the item possession modification is above 80 fails. Fixed period before inspecting to confirm the modification of the inventory, it wishes.

Other restrictions
It will not be able to participate to the event from test server.
The case where the account and character use are restricted, the application is impossible.
After event applying, the case where will become the account limit, does not become the reflection.



Q. The main - is the reason which does the subclass change event what?
A. The major limit of the through subclass was restricted a Kamael plus update at 80 level and only major of main class it was expanded at 85 level. More it had a big attachment in the reasoning being caused by subclass and stupefaction of the customer tilts the heart and soul in subclass voice who is big considers a point, the main - planned the subclass change event.

Q. The main - the subclass the change do the race of the case character which it will do/exterior/sex become how about?
A. When the main - the subclass becomes the change and the exterior of the character is made to follow the exterior of the main class which becomes the change and the sex is like that maintained. (Head shape all A style)
For example the change it is made to apply the hawk eye with a main class from the condition where the L passing main class and the subclass are the hawk eye from the condition where the sex is the woman when and main class with the hawk eye, the subclass becomes the change with the Elder and the exterior of the character becomes the change with the human female character.
Only, according to case sex of Kamael race the class is restricted the main - subclass change at the time of sex according to main class becomes the change.

Q. The main - the subclass after change one again the main of original - the reel possibility of turning back around with the subclass it is?
A. The main - the subclass change event damage from cold weather is provided to 1 time is not a reel possibility already after having become the change to, of turning back around in previous condition. The 36th binary term of the sexagenary cycle giving a prudence to shear event application under considering in advantage, it wishes.
Only, until before reflecting the cancellation is possible.

Q. The main - the subclass the change the acquiring one subclass authentication skill and authentication it stands it becomes how in case existing which it will do?
A. The main - the acquiring before the subclass authentication skill which it does becomes all beginning/initial in subclass change at the time of existing and the acquiring in the exchange event the authentication which it does it stands all delete to become, specially in existing subclass authentication it stands the acquiring the authentication which it does it stands all delete it becomes.
The subclass authentication and the other skill acquiring receive the main - subclass change after that again and they do.

Q. Also is the second time, third subclass the change the possibility of doing in main class?
A. The main class is possible above 75 levels the case application where below and the subclass of 80 levels are above 75 levels to the case where also the possible is second time, third subclass is above 75 levels change application.
The main class before this case makes become the change with the second time, third subclass which does a change application.

Q. Is the case event application where war Smith, the Maestro, the overlord and the Dominator are main class impossible?
A. War Smith, the Maestro, the overlord and American visit the occupation which is not the possibility of having with the subclass which four shakes off is with the subclass the change to be impossible, the application is impossible. Within the case game where the if and application will be possible the problem the character which is unusual will be able to occur is entrusting it gives understanding where the application is impossible.

Q. The inspector who is a subclass which Kamael it comes to hide, is 쥬 Dicke the change the possibility of doing in main class?
A. With only the subclass which the inspector and 쥬 Dicke shake off the acquiring the occupation which is possible is the change there is not a possibility of doing in main class. Within the case game where the if application will be possible the problem the character which is unusual will be able to occur is entrusting it gives understanding where the application is impossible.

Q. Main class the human and the first time subclass the elf and the second time subclass are the dark elf. Like this case application is impossible?
A. The set as a matter of elf within game is not a possibility of having a dark elf occupation with the subclass and a possibility also the dark elf having the occupation of the elf with the subclass there is not. There will be a subclass above 2 and when among the rest under the change boils the race is the elf/dark elf in main class, the case application which will be the race who becomes the upper castle in the subclass is impossible. But, above in case stands to the case where the if third subclass will do a change application in the bounty hunter and this main class the application is possible, opposition relationship of the dark elf and the elf the subclass beginning/initial it makes one in two classes in case and the change at the time of application possibly becomes with the occupation where the conversion is possible.

Q. Currently does the olympiad point which is piled up become how?
A. The main class becoming the change is the olympiad point becomes the beginning/initial.
Before applying to exhaust an olympiad point in advance, it wishes.

Q. Did not become the change which completes an application normally. It is what kind of reason?
A. Application the case where does not become the change which normally becomes but, to the application at the time of application condition to the reflection timely at the time of which is satisfactory but it is a case where the application condition will not be right.
According to lower part condition it inspects the condition of the character once again and under re-applying the woman it gives and it wishes.
1. The level of main class is below 80 levels above 75 levels.
After applying when until before reflecting the main class is above 81 levels or the subclass is below 74 levels, does not become the reflection.
The case where the character will be hero condition, after applying before reflecting does not become the case reflection to which becomes the hero.
2. The character item above 80 does not become the case reflection which it will have in event reflection point of view.
It will be able to have the item above case 80 of the character which expands a dwarves occupation or the inventory but above change at the time of 80 the case it can not have happens danger to be this case item evaporation and does not become the event reflection. Before reflecting to regulate an inventory item below 80, it wishes.
3. Before event reflecting does not become the case service reflection to which the account and character use are restricted.
It is caused by with up fact and a re-application again and the case condition where the reflection does not become 맞 the loach it does as a favor it does and re-application the impossible is application condition is not right not to be does not become reflection from last parking, it is not disadvantageous and to pay attention, it wishes.

Q. Before applying it is a condition which applies a annexed service. The song where the event participation is impossible?
A. The periodical inspection at the time of annexed service wyvern main - the sub conversion event reflection makes advance simultaneously and case annexed service and the main where simultaneously the application will be possible because making become - the sub conversion application does not become accomplished well and not to make be it becomes. Before applying after the event application of corresponding parking does not become in about the account which applies a annexed service advantage to refer and this week annexed service reflection becomes accomplished, event application the low hour cotton the event participation is possible normally.

Q. It advances a “Your sibling who runs in the chain” quest. The main - subclass conversion chart continuation it will be able to advance?
A. Set as a matter of “Your sibling who runs in the chain” quest within game it is a quest where does not become the main/subclass between joint ownership.
Consequently the main - it makes a subclass conversion do and the case “Your sibling who runs in the chain” quest and other item all becomes delete and the “Your sibling who runs in the chain” quest again to advance it does.


korean event (http://lineage2.plaync.co.kr/event/eventzone/l2EventView?eventID=173&category=L2EVENT)

you can read, again and again, this korean's event is for free !!

i'm a DB administrator, and if i did what NCsoft NA does for a name and sex changes, i'll be "destroyed" by my chief...

... For 2 months of service, which is essentially what a name change asks, I could delete the character and level him/her up again.


Just a thought... maybe they don't even want to do name changes for all you wishy washy gamers. Yes you are right, just re-roll the character and in two months you will be right where you want to be, happy with your new name, sex or even server. With no additional cost incurred.
I do not think that the cost is an issue - just the way you have to do it - that is the problem.

BUT...

Been doing a lot of thinking - maybe they did it this messed up way so that most people will not do it.....

I do not think that the cost is an issue - just the way you have to do it - that is the problem.

BUT...

Been doing a lot of thinking - maybe they did it this messed up way so that most people will not do it.....



Maybe it doesn't actually work and they did all this to discourage people from trying it.

So are server transfers going to cost $50 I take it? This is a complete scam, LOL.



I've seen people quit the game because of server politics


afaik chartransfers in city of heros/villians cost $ 8.99, so lets hope its the same for LII



I dont think so... Less ppl play CoH than LineageII. So i think they will charge at least $30. And BTW the character RENAME on CoH also costs 9.99 and the Server transfers cost 9.99 too..

Direct Quote off the CoH Site.


Both features, Character Transfer and Character Rename, carry a transaction fee of $9.99 each per use. Should a Character Transfer have a name conflict on the destination server, a free Character Rename will be made available to resolve the conflict and rename the moving character.



Full Page Here: http://www.cityofheroes.com/character_transfer.html


I dont think so... Less ppl play CoH than LineageII. So i think they will charge at least $30. And BTW the character RENAME on CoH also costs 9.99 and the Server transfers cost 9.99 too..



CoH actually has more subs in NA then L2. It always has, by a large number.
I am glad to see them come thru with at least part of the account services.
Altho I dont need either of the 2 available.
As far as the cost...... $30 to change your name......ouch!!

and while NCsoft NA is clowning us, i'll give you what it is done on korean servers (very quick translate with systrans soft) :

Main <--> subclass event
- snip -
you can read, again and again, this korean's event is for free !!

i'm a DB administrator, and if i did what NCsoft NA does for a name and sex changes, i'll be "destroyed" by my chief...



Thanks for the reminder on the main/subclass event but that has nothing to do with the name/gender change services discussed here and btw those are NOT free on Korea either just a fyi..



I dont think so... Less ppl play CoH than LineageII. So i think they will charge at least $30. And BTW the character RENAME on CoH also costs 9.99 and the Server transfers cost 9.99 too..



CoH actually has more subs in NA then L2. It always has, by a large number.



Coh/Cov has had lower amounts of concurrent users but has had almost double the subs of L2 (well, 19k short of being double). As of Sept 07 numbers NA/EU numbers


That's a great question and one I'll get added to the FAQ. Only one account service per character can be completed per maintenance, so it would take a maximum of two weeks to apply a name change and gender change to the same character.

I also have an answer for those who asked about whether a name change could be done between two accounts. Name changes must be done on the same account. You cannot create a level 1 "name-holder" character on account A and have that name applied to a character on account B.

I've also taken note of the question regarding when one must de-tag from their clan and alliance in order for the name change to go through/be available. Either I or Ornery will post with an answer shortly.



I still wonder however why can a GM change nickname online within a few seconds (if their nickname is offensive), stay in clan, even stay online, and this service can't? I know you are not the technical department and probably cannot answer this, but that really struck me as odd.




I dont think so... Less ppl play CoH than LineageII. So i think they will charge at least $30. And BTW the character RENAME on CoH also costs 9.99 and the Server transfers cost 9.99 too..



CoH actually has more subs in NA then L2. It always has, by a large number.



Coh/Cov has had lower amounts of concurrent users but has had almost double the subs of L2 (well, 19k short of being double). As of Sept 07 numbers NA/EU numbers



Thats what I said..right? :)

Concurrent users are a bit misleading, since we all know L2 has a far higher bot population then CoH/CoV. Although look at Eve Online's count, **** :P


I still wonder however why can a GM change nickname online within a few seconds (if their nickname is offensive), stay in clan, even stay online, and this service can't? I know you are not the technical department and probably cannot answer this, but that really struck me as odd.



Because they want to 'automate' the entire process. Having a GM (warm body) actually do the change would mean it costs money to change names from a 'bean counter' perspective.

If they can make the players jump through hoops, but change the name themselves through the account management interface, every time someone changes their name it's like someone giving them free money. (once the cost of setting the 'service' up is payed for.) And at $30 per change that can be a lot of 'free money'! (Although I think the bean counters have a very poor perspective on how desirable the system is, as implemented, or how often it would get used.)

Although I think the bean counters have a very poor perspective on how desirable the system is...



OMG, now this is really funny. According to the multiple threads, the community has been demanding these services for over three years. I think the perspective of how "desirable" the services have been stated. Supply and demand drives the market.



Bean counter1: The community wants these services so bad they well pay whatever we charge.
Bean counter2: This is great, I will be able to get a new corvette this year for sure!






I dont think so... Less ppl play CoH than LineageII. So i think they will charge at least $30. And BTW the character RENAME on CoH also costs 9.99 and the Server transfers cost 9.99 too..



CoH actually has more subs in NA then L2. It always has, by a large number.



Coh/Cov has had lower amounts of concurrent users but has had almost double the subs of L2 (well, 19k short of being double). As of Sept 07 numbers NA/EU numbers



Thats what I said..right? :)

Concurrent users are a bit misleading, since we all know L2 has a far higher bot population then CoH/CoV. Although look at Eve Online's count, **** :P



Exactly. I just wanted to add some numbers to support you. ;)


Although I think the bean counters have a very poor perspective on how desirable the system is...



OMG, now this is really funny. According to the multiple threads, the community has been demanding these services for over three years. I think the perspective of how "desirable" the services have been stated. Supply and demand drives the market.






The community has been wanting SERVER TRANSFERS.

Not name changes or sex changes so much.

Learn - 2 - Read.


So are server transfers going to cost $50 I take it? This is a complete scam, LOL.



You gotta pay for the 3 years worth of development dude.



Development has nothing to do with this...NC figured hey if we jack up the naming price then ppl won't abuse it cause its costs too much to abuse lol. Just sucks for the rest of us, who won't abuse it but have to pay out the nose. $29.00 really is scam though, other developers release whole expansions for $30.


The community has been wanting SERVER TRANSFERS.



When you learn how to write, I will look into a few reading classes. (hint: past tense grammar (http://www.learnenglish.de/grammar/tensesimpast.htm))



Quick, call the grammer police!

Bad boys bad boys, whatcha gonna do, whatcha gonna do when they come for you!

......

Nothing relevant to say because your wrong (as usual) huh? Did you just buy that character or what Mr Ketra gives you weapon recipes? (roffles)



The community has been wanting SERVER TRANSFERS.



When you learn how to write, I will look into a few reading classes. (hint: past tense grammar (http://www.learnenglish.de/grammar/tensesimpast.htm))



Quick, call the grammer police!

Bad boys bad boys, whatcha gonna do, whatcha gonna do when they come for you!

......

Nothing relevant to say because your wrong (as usual) huh? Did you just buy that character or what Mr Ketra gives you weapon recipes? (roffles)


Looks like you can dish it out, but can’t take it. Three attacks upon me in one post, very impressive. Get over it and move on.
Arent you the one responding?

Arent you the one responding?



Hes slow like that.

Some things are priceless, for all others... Mastercard! :p
While I think the name change server is horribly overpriced, I believe the biggest complaint is with the awful process they dreamt up for this. If someone, anyone, can explain the thinking that went into this, I'd love to hear it (and use it as an example of how not to do something).

While I think the name change server is horribly overpriced, I believe the biggest complaint is with the awful process they dreamt up for this. If someone, anyone, can explain the thinking that went into this, I'd love to hear it (and use it as an example of how not to do something).


Looking away form the price. What's wrong with the process?


While I think the name change server is horribly overpriced, I believe the biggest complaint is with the awful process they dreamt up for this. If someone, anyone, can explain the thinking that went into this, I'd love to hear it (and use it as an example of how not to do something).


Looking away form the price. What's wrong with the process?


1. Must create a new toon on the same account (many already have 7 toons on their accounts).
2. Must withdraw from clan (sucks to be a clan leader).
3. Must wait until after a maintenance cycle to complete.

As opposed to a GM changing an "offensive" name which happens instantly.

Coh/Cov has had lower amounts of concurrent users but has had almost double the subs of L2 (well, 19k short of being double). As of Sept 07 numbers NA/EU numbers



Thats because CoX doesn't have shops sitting in 24/7 and our dear 24/7 "friends" either.
In regards to the question of when one must de-tag from your clan/alliance when doing a name change, simply put you just need to do it before maintenance time. Now, I wouldn't recommend doing so 30 seconds before the servers go down before maintenance, but it doesn't have to be days beforehand either.
I would also recommend de-tagging from your clan and then going into the system and applying the name change code. You can control when you wish to apply your code after you purchase it. Just keep in mind that the process executes during each weekly server maintenance.
I have to agree that the entire process to change a name seems to involve far too many steps.
Any insight as to why it seems so.......um......unnecesarrily complex, Alyra or Ornery ?
No one will answer that question. They finished the testing, two services are now available, and that's it. Their efforts will now shift to server transfers.

Even if they do answer, it will be more along the lines of:
"If you don't like it, don't use it."

And here is where they shift the blame:
"You shouldn't have named your character that in the first place," or "You shouldn't have filled up your account."

Of course, it wouldn't be exactly like that; they'll use what's called business-speak. They will do their absolute best to "put the monkey on your back," meaning, it's now your problem, not NCSoft's.

Customer service is dead.

Customer service is dead.



u're wrong, it can't be dead, coz it never existed !! :D
So what are people who have full accounts supposed to do then?

So what are people who have full accounts supposed to do then?


Get everyone you know to petition your name as offensive. Honestly, I doubt they care.

So what are people who have full accounts supposed to do then?



Here's the unwanted and, most likely, only answer:

NCSoft: "Delete a character, pay, and go through the process."
Player: "But all my toons are level 60+."
NCSoft: "Not our problem. Deal."

So what are people who have full accounts supposed to do then?


Well then you have to ... ummm ... wait till server xfers are available, move one toon to another server, then create new char at server's vacant spot, then move that char back to it's original place. Simple as that!
(Genius am I, right?)
I suddenly got a bad feeling about the server transfers.. I'm sure it'll be G to the IMP compared to the korean example.
This is SICK, it is just another way for PNC to make more money. $30, come on are you serious? These type of automated changes should cost nothing. PNC is a constant reminder of how not to do bussiness. This game went from alot of fun in C1, to pretty darn crappy now. It used to be great bang for the buck in entertainment, for me this is no longer the case. I get the feeling it is the same for many others
They aren't a CHARITY.

They aren't a CHARITY.



That's for sure, and they know how to prove it. There is no other, more horrible way to make these "services".

I want an answer on this: Why can't you hire more people to take care of the community?
The community is huge, but the customer support isn't there.
1. Is it because of low/bad economy? (I doubt that)
2. Is it because you want more money for yourselves? (sharing can be hard, we've all been through that phase in life)
3. Is it pure lazyness?
4. Is it because you don't care? (most likely)
5. ...
I just don't know where some of you are coming from, you want a service, you gotta pay for it. It's certainly not going to be free. I don't really know why a name change is 30, that seems excessive, but free is just crazy.
I can't think of any MMO game that has had a free char transfer service or name change. I remember paying for transfers back in the days of Everquest.
I think we all knew the services wouldn't be free. Yes, the name-change seems a bit pricey, but it's the process that really bothers some, like me.

The name-change process seems to be more administrator-friendly than user-friendly. This seems to be the theme of NCSoft lately.

I would think the least they could do was add an extra character slot if they chose this kind of a name-change process. Rumor has it that Korea NCSoft gave two extra slots at CT1's release.
Yeah :/ I was really hoping for a name-swap personally.
Nothing ever pleases you guys...

Have u even taken into consideration how hard its probably been for them to get this stuff working while having everything else to do on the servers... iv seen very few people actually thank NCsoft for the hard wrk they have put into it regardless of how long its taken them...
YES the communication between admins and players could have been better but still... not everyones purfect.
Ofcourse u need to make a new toon with the name u want how else can u guarentee its gonna be available?? If u dont have the slots thats ur problem not theirs....
Its gonna be expensive so ppl are discouraged from doin so farmers cant just change their names every 6 months to lose track of ppl killing them... they may have said they will ban bots, but ppl are probably so dedicated to farming l2 they'd work around the clock to find loop holes to get in dont u think? i recons its pretty **** hard to ban bots completely so give them some credit, god ****!
And as for GMs doing it instead of having to wait for the next maintence can u imagine how many ppl will use this service? thats just making more work for GMs i know i wouldnt wanna be doin it thats for sure...

My opinion is they have done a good job. Well done NCsoft
Alyra wrote:

In regards to the question of when one must de-tag from your clan/alliance when doing a name change, simply put you just need to do it before maintenance time. Now, I wouldn't recommend doing so 30 seconds before the servers go down before maintenance, but it doesn't have to be days beforehand either.


OrneryNC wrote:

I would also recommend de-tagging from your clan and then going into the system and applying the name change code. You can control when you wish to apply your code after you purchase it. Just keep in mind that the process executes during each weekly server maintenance.



Yes, detag... but why?
maybe they use character name as primary key in db -.-
Well, the process for "name change" it's really odd and anoying >< would be nice to get 2 more character slots!

Anyways, it's good that we finally get some acc services and it seems that server transfers are coming Soon (tm) too :)

Bit late maybe, but well, better late than never :p

Almarë
There is an easy way for you to check if a name is already taken on your server. Type /block insertnamehere. If the block is successful then the name is already taken. Otherwise it is available. But bear in mind that a name might be available when you sign for it but you can still fail if someone ahead of you requested the name. I don't know the mechanics of the name change so it is possible the name gets reserved as soon as you ask for it or it has to wait for a maintenance cycle and then do a search and change.

maybe they use character name as primary key in db -.-


This is obviously not true since GMs can change an "offensive" name at the drop of a hat (no detagging, etc).
I don't think that anyone here is not happy that we finaly are geting the services - what we are complaining about is how messed up it is to get your name changed - the whole de-tag from clan thing is what really has people wondering. IDK, I still think that it works like I posted before..

:)
So we wont be able to do account transfers? Transfer 1 toon from 1 account to another account?

So we wont be able to do account transfers? Transfer 1 toon from 1 account to another account?



God I hope not - even thought I would love to transfer one of my dorfs to another account. This would be exploided in so many bad ways.....
I am hoping they do allow transfers between accounts.
I dont see how this feature could get exploited.
they have said that they are aiming for server transfers to be available in febuary. i believe u can change one char to another server on the same account and u can only do it once every 6 months and u can only take items equipped and a limited amount of adena (depending on your level)

TailChaser - i dont think u can reserve names so even if u did try to block the name u wanted someone might take it while ur waitin for ur name change....
Of course you reserve the name ... you create a lvl 1 char with the name you want. God RTFM
BordrX can u read? i was saying that to tailchaser cos he was saying u should be able to reserve the name without makin a new toon cos he dont have the space...
where exactly is he saying that, do enlighten me, cause methinks it's you that cant read ...

here's his post ->

There is an easy way for you to check if a name is already taken on your server. Type /block insertnamehere. If the block is successful then the name is already taken. Otherwise it is available. But bear in mind that a name might be available when you sign for it but you can still fail if someone ahead of you requested the name. I don't know the mechanics of the name change so it is possible the name gets reserved as soon as you ask for it or it has to wait for a maintenance cycle and then do a search and change.


where exactly is he saying that, do enlighten me, cause methinks it's you that cant read ...

here's his post ->

There is an easy way for you to check if a name is already taken on your server. Type /block insertnamehere. If the block is successful then the name is already taken. Otherwise it is available. But bear in mind that a name might be available when you sign for it but you can still fail if someone ahead of you requested the name. I don't know the mechanics of the name change so it is possible the name gets reserved as soon as you ask for it or it has to wait for a maintenance cycle and then do a search and change.





Hes trying to find a way to reserve a name without making a lvl 1 char.... and im saying u cant reserve a name without making one
first if all, I am very familar with game developement, I do know what is involved. Secondly, the monthly fees go way beyond any maitainance costs they are encurring. Thridly, when they use us as testers, then fix things that should have been fixed before a realse and call them features. I call it Microsoftidus. Fourthly, bah, nevermind!
After reading some of the 1st pages, I just realized I saved myself 20Euro.

Tell me NCsoft: What is the point to change name if it can be seen by anyone else? Just to change names on botted accounts like A01sadajk to some "VeryCoolName"?

Name change won't let you get away from enemy war lists, if they pay attention on this web page. Why bother changing?
I repeat myself, but some of us have chosen names that we are now tired of for one reason or another (nearly made a much worse mistake choosing a new name, but I had the good sense to google the new desired name before applying it :p). I have no problem with people being able to see my name change, other than I prefer to stay out of the spotlight (though I'm not counting on any spotlight).

Hes trying to find a way to reserve a name without making a lvl 1 char.... and im saying u cant reserve a name without making one


In fact that's not the problem of the customer. We shoudln't have to reserve the name, it's their job. They're at the best place to do it.
Im sure if someone can make a script that reserves names automatically so no lvl 1 char is required then they wouldnt turn it down. i still say that with the amount of work they have to do already then doing these services on top they've done a good job n all u guys do is [censored] n moan about somethin new.
You cant reserve a name without making a new char. someone may already have the name u want or take it in the mean time... if u dont like this service DONT USE IT. quit ur crying over $30 and **** character slot... its not like its gonna change the admins minds anyways so ur wasting ur time.
Isnt wasting time what its all about ?

Think about it.
soooo this means bots will p level there little chars off , sell them to players a player goes hell w/e name change!. then joins a big clan and goes i rifted my way up to 78 :] hehe... yah sure.
(obviously i know its not that simple..) just an example :]
wud be nice if you could check up on someone and see there chars previous name.

(let the spying begin)...
Read the thread then. You can see previous names.
Accont character transfer is of higher demand, than any of changes mentioned in the first post.
I want to split my chars to two acconts, I can pay for both and I willing enough to pay transfer fee.
It is sole increase in NCsoft income but why the hell they do not implement it?
i guess its because you could have a "friends" account... and you might "scam" him. and alot of people would complain that there levdl 78/78/78 all of a sudden dissapeared... heh to much hassle for NC soft. and to many scammers/greedy/morons out there :}

but im sure they could figure away around it O_o

i guess its because you could have a "friends" account... and you might "scam" him. and alot of people would complain that there levdl 78/78/78 all of a sudden dissapeared... heh to much hassle for NC soft. and to many scammers/greedy/morons out there :}

but im sure they could figure away around it O_o



Yes, make them only transferable to accounts on the same NC master account. Hell, make them open a new game account on the master account. I've been saving an epic collection serial code in anticipation of this, and it looks like I don't get it.


i guess its because you could have a "friends" account... and you might "scam" him. and alot of people would complain that there levdl 78/78/78 all of a sudden dissapeared... heh to much hassle for NC soft. and to many scammers/greedy/morons out there :}

but im sure they could figure away around it O_o



Yes, make them only transferable to accounts on the same NC master account. Hell, make them open a new game account on the master account. I've been saving an epic collection serial code in anticipation of this, and it looks like I don't get it.


This would solve many peoples problems, I'd be more than happy to make a new game account if I could move my sh to it. Although it has been mentioned before, and I'm hoping NC will offer this service soon. Not their soon, but maybe with the release of kamael plus.
I don't know if this has been asked but what happens if an arbalester gets a sex change? Do you get a male arbalester? And I'm not talking about subbing here.
No, one of the rules for the gender change is kamael may not receive it. I thought about it too, but it's posted in the details. I kinda wanted a female berserker.

Yeah :/ I was really hoping for a name-swap personally.



Indeed, I would have loved a name swap feature. Oh well.

i guess its because you could have a "friends" account... and you might "scam" him. and alot of people would complain that there levdl 78/78/78 all of a sudden dissapeared... heh to much hassle for NC soft. and to many scammers/greedy/morons out there :}

but im sure they could figure away around it O_o



Firstly, knowing game account is not enough to login to plaync, secondly, account sharing is stupidiest idea.
If I've given my acc/pass to someone else, I should not complain about any loss inspired by this idiocy of me.
I can continue theretising, but I'd better point to the bigger game than L2 where character transfer long time implemented in the favor of both players and game owners.
BTW, name change service is the WORST idea ever.
when you create a new char, u don't have to reserve it !! the game checks it on the moment. Why NCSoft didn't do the same system on their website? it's so easy to know if a name already exists... If it doesn't, it adds the choosen name in a temporary table. the main table could be updated at maintenance...
too easy for our great devs?


i guess its because you could have a "friends" account... and you might "scam" him. and alot of people would complain that there levdl 78/78/78 all of a sudden dissapeared... heh to much hassle for NC soft. and to many scammers/greedy/morons out there :}

but im sure they could figure away around it O_o



Firstly, knowing game account is not enough to login to plaync, secondly, account sharing is stupidiest idea.
If I've given my acc/pass to someone else, I should not complain about any loss inspired by this idiocy of me.
I can continue theretising, but I'd better point to the bigger game than L2 where character transfer long time implemented in the favor of both players and game owners.
BTW, name change service is the WORST idea ever.



I'm sorry but I have to agree. If you give a friend access to your account and lose everything thats YOUR fault.

I think if you know the username and password of 2 accounts you should be able to transfer anything you want between those accounts, including characters...because the ONLY way to get those 2 pieces of info for any account is if you own it or sum1 told you their info. And like I said if you misjudge your friends thats YOUR FAULT for being a poor judge of character!
Odd that not many seem to complain that to change servers you can only take what you carry and some cash. Gonna be some naked noble subs, lol . . . .

Odd that not many seem to complain that to change servers you can only take what you carry and some cash. Gonna be some naked noble subs, lol . . . .



wrong post num :) they arent so much complaining as wondering why ncsoft is screwing players with subclasses and want to change server.
yea that is messed up for people with subs, but... 700M adena... I know you can not buy everything you had, but maybe close.
700m is one set S-grade, then you're out of money.
I know Char - but just saying... it could have been worse.
pretty much everyone in NA that has a sub also has 1-2-3-x oop support toon's, and he's bound to take at least one of them to his new server

700m is one set S-grade, then you're out of money.


700 mill is **** lots of money and adena yo
But why spending it for s-grade set ...while u can invest it pretty well and get around 500 mill CLEAN a month yo !
I would do so and i will if i will decide to transfer.
now what would be killer... would be able to increase the character selection options.... for example, human characters, between figher/mystic, the additional appearances would be killer...


700m is one set S-grade, then you're out of money.


700 mill is **** lots of money and adena yo
But why spending it for s-grade set ...while u can invest it pretty well and get around 500 mill CLEAN a month yo !
I would do so and i will if i will decide to transfer.



Now let's imagine. You've spent last year for that buy-and-sell stuff. You have some money. You have your wardrobe. You have sub-class and you're noblesse. Now they tell you - forget it. You can stay ONE set, ONE weapon, ONE jewels set and ONE hair item (all cool hair items take 2 slots). But you have at least 2 sets, 2 weapons, different boss jewels for different use and a number of hair items. Why for do they force you repeating that frustrating activities? What did you do wrong recently to get that punishment? You played L2, I think. :)

As I'm a man and my sub uses same gear set as main and I have buffers, I can deliver a lot of goods and some more adena to another server. Once I decided to limit myself, that helps me now. I have no variety of goods, my gears are pretty massive and inter-server prices are moderate. :p

But what should do my girlfriend as she has three or four gear sets, four or five weapons and really unnumbered hair items. You know, girls love many different gears even if they actually dont need so many and never put on some things. I saw how she gathered her stuff. Anything made by wasting hours at spoiling/farming/fishing/trading etc. When she realized the limitation of transfer, she get in panic. She loves her stuff and it was sometimes painful to gather it. The transfer limitation cannot meet amount of adena she can get if she would like to sell all 'unnecessary' stuff. And I understand her. :)

The only way I can see now is to sell some 'unecessary' thing and, as I have no much items/adena as it never was my goal, I can take with my buffers some items/adena for her. :o

I thing it was ok if transferred things become 'undroppable'/'untradable' forever. I mean this can solve 'economic impact' which obviously will occur once transfers are offically launched.
I have a question about Heroes and server xfers. If we compete and get rank 1 but don't claim hero can we still transfer?

I have a question about Heroes and server xfers. If we compete and get rank 1 but don't claim hero can we still transfer?



The way I understand it - yes you can transfer - but you will not be hero or have any of your passes on the transfered server (too lazy to quote Ornery).

I have a question about Heroes and server xfers. If we compete and get rank 1 but don't claim hero can we still transfer?



good question


I have a question about Heroes and server xfers. If we compete and get rank 1 but don't claim hero can we still transfer?



good question



Agreed, good question. The answer is no, you would not be able to transfer.
so basicly that means if you want to transfer do not compete in Olympiad ok

so basicly that means if you want to transfer do not compete in Olympiad ok



You can compete - just point feed someone so that you will not #1
whats the point of changing your name for that price then having it listed so ppl can know? isn't the point of name change so you can avoid drama
Well, you made typo in your name when creating it and it's too late for you to reroll. You changed sex and B00bieCute is not much of a male name. You named your toon after your ex and now you are not dating anymore. You started to love roleplaying and Pwnz0r in not quite something you would imagine as name tied to lore. You took different name because the one you wanted while creating toon was occupied, and now it's free. Your brother/wife started to play that toon and abandoned it. You don't like xX-Xx or oO-Oo in your name now.

Or you just don't like your current name.

whats the point of changing your name for that price then having it listed so ppl can know? isn't the point of name change so you can avoid drama


Avoid drama? Like your clan is doing on Hindemith now? Just lol.

whats the point of changing your name for that price then having it listed so ppl can know? isn't the point of name change so you can avoid drama


Just changing a name won't help you anyway.

whats the point of changing your name for that price then having it listed so ppl can know? isn't the point of name change so you can avoid drama



No, it's because you want to change the name for any reason other than escaping a bad past.


whats the point of changing your name for that price then having it listed so ppl can know? isn't the point of name change so you can avoid drama



No, it's because you want to change the name for any reason other than escaping a bad past.



The whole change name to avoid your bad rep thing is silly to me. I mean once an jerk always a jerk the name does not change the person.... (yes I wanted to use another word instead of "jerk", but it was blocked.. something like A shots hole).
I am a belliver. I bellive people can change. If they can change their name the point of changing attitude is much higher.
It's time to change names into dlfskfd, and it's time to change names instead of that.
Do they simply change your mane, or they transfer everything to the new lvl 1 toon ? Isn't that way to much work compare to just change someones name.
Lol that's toon is just to make sure you've input a name that doesn't kept by anyone. They are about to delete that toon, that your old toon get that name. Bigno!