Yeah its always been this way, but we never noticed before. The old charge system meant that after every sonic skill all charges were lost/used and it was almost never seen.
It can be seen more often since the new charge system doesn't consume all your charges. Most people in the new system charge to full charges, use a blaster, recharge the missing charges. Never allowing themselves to fully dispel all there charges and never reseting the 10 minute timer that charges have.
Imagine your first charge was almost 10 mins ago, you hunt normally, never completely losing all your charges, the problem is that when you charge again, always keeping your charges full, it doesn't refresh that initial charge timer, so in theory it is possible to have full charges, hit TSS, you reach the 10 mins mark, you lose all your charges before the animation of the attack completes, and the result is "Not enough Luck".
I suggested many many times that each charge you do should refresh your timer. It is the case with Kamael souls, why cant they do the same for Sonic/force chargers. It would be devastating for a kamael to lose all his souls before a fight, this is also the case for Gladiators.
Also why cant we keep our chargers after getting rezzed like Kamaels do. Really inconvenient in PvP...
I suggested many many times that each charge you do should refresh your timer. It is the case with Kamael souls, why cant they do the same for Sonic/force chargers. It would be devastating for a kamael to lose all his souls before a fight, this is also the case for Gladiators.
Also why cant we keep our chargers after getting rezzed like Kamaels do. Really inconvenient in PvP...
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******ed that they STILL haven't managed to fix this bug, yes it's a BUG!
I suggested many many times that each charge you do should refresh your timer. It is the case with Kamael souls, why cant they do the same for Sonic/force chargers. It would be devastating for a kamael to lose all his souls before a fight, this is also the case for Gladiators.
Also why cant we keep our chargers after getting rezzed like Kamaels do. Really inconvenient in PvP...
because... kamaels have a harder time getting souls then a glad has getting charges
because... kamaels have a harder time getting souls then a glad has getting charges
If only that was true.
Skill to refill souls to max -> check
Skill to gain souls (not at max) for health -> check
Passive ability to gain souls via critical hits -> check
VS
Ranged Sonic generator (cant get 8th charge however!) -> check
Focus -> check
You said Kamael's have a harder time getting souls. Thats complete BS.
No one mentioned anything about how much HP, ranged skills, etc Glad's or Berserkers do or do not have.
A Kamael should be going *into* a fight with full souls. He or she should be able to fully refill them once during the fight (maybe twice..), not to mention any critical hits have a very high chance to refill souls later on in levels.
The Kamael classes all have issues, but souls isnt one of them. (The Zerker will run out of mana before his soul's run out due to the lowest regen in the game bar none)
On zerker with every toggle on and spamming rushes and skills, both souls and mp will be gone very fast
What level is your zerker? :P
If you have one you should know their MP regen rate absolutely blows.
Our Zerker (almost S grade) can blow all of his MP before he even goes through his first set of souls, not even counting his second set which he can get via the skill.
Sorry but the discussion is about charges fading and not about skills/stat differences between these 2 chars.
Fact 1. Both classes need to have souls/chargers to use skills. Not having these means or having them fade mid fight would ruin everybody.
Fact 2. Our amount of charges is directly related to how much damage the skill does while it does not matter for a kamael to have 1 or 99999 souls. Kamael have more ways to get charges while duelis/glad have 1 (2 at 78, which doesnt increase you to 8 chargers)
Thats true, gladiators can recharge by using sonic focus or sonic rage. Thats all. The good part of this system is that these skills are based in attack speed and that you can, always, use duelist spirit to incress your attack speed and the skill reuse/casting speed.
The bad part is that (before lvl 78) you must stop everything you are doing to recharge like a batery to hit again.
Once gladiator's normal hit isnt one of the strong points of the class in pvp you have to recharge like an idiot all time. ( you can always use energystones to hit lvl 2.)
Sorry for offtopic, but I must say that stating, that Kamaels can get their souls up faster than gladiators is a complete nonsense and not even funny one. Once you have used soul gathering skill you are screwed. This skill refreshes about half an hour not depending on speed buffs, from what I can tell. Body to Soul skill refreshes wayy too slow and takes very much HP (Kamaels DONT have any to begin with) for a couple of souls. You have to spam this skill for about 5-10 minutes to reach your maximum soul count. Gladiator can do that during err... 30 seconds max? With barely noticeable HP loss?
Don't make me laugh about that critical hits thing, have you ever seen any Kamael, apart Arbalester, using regular swings in PvP? Yeah, right.
On topic, this gladiator charges dissapearance should be fixed.
Kamael - Gladiator
Body to Soul - Sonic Focus
Soul Gathering - Sonic Rage
Critical increase - err... S80 shoulder pad ability?
Yeah, okay, we have 1 more way to increase our "focus" than glads untill s80, fine.
Doesn't even worth mentioning that it's a non factor in PvP and all the other ways seriously lacks speed...
Yeah, sonic focus takes some hp, but not ~175 for 1 charge, when you have like 2-4k max hp, ****it :/
Kamael - Gladiator
Body to Soul - Sonic Focus
Soul Gathering - Sonic Rage
Critical increase - err... S80 shoulder pad ability?
Yeah, okay, we have 1 more way to increase our "focus" than glads untill s80, fine.
Doesn't even worth mentioning that it's a non factor in PvP and all the other ways seriously lacks speed...
Yeah, sonic focus takes some hp, but not ~175 for 1 charge, when you have like 2-4k max hp, ****it :/
Your also forgetting that a Glad is capped at 8 charges and your capped at what again? ;) Yeah thought so LOL.
We also have skills that use more charges then you thus we go through them far faster.
In PvE, souls arent a issue at all.
In PvP, souls still arent a issue since most PvP's are over in under a minute and you arent going through 100+ souls that you'd have stored up. (You say you cant get them before PvP? Hit the **** gatekeeper real quick.. Duh)
In Oly again its over far before your out.
gladdies get capped at 8, sonic rage only works to 7, the dmg on our skills are directly depending on how many charges we have at the time of using the skill.
Kamael gets a by far higher cap, their skills do nowhere near consume as many souls in equivalent for what glad skills consume sonic charges. the power on their skills are not directly depending on ammount of souls.
The moment both classes start swinging regular swings they've lost
Also if i am not completely mistaken in 1 cast kamaels get more souls than we get per one sonic rage/sonic focus? so kamaels can cast that, use a few skills, do some dmg, cast it again.. while gladdie needs to recharge fully in order to do their dmg properly again. This section could be entirely wrong though.
OK for all the noob gladdies out here complaining about the kamal can I ask you two questions?
Have you Ever lost to a kamael
and
DO you think you will EVER lose to a kamael?
Also on the hp issue
charging sonic takes about 10hp per charge and takes 5secs to be full
chargign souls take 200hp per charge and takes about 5min to be full
+ the fact that Glads have other skills that don't take charges AND the fact that they're skills hit unbelievably hard without critting, when the do crit it's horrendous.
This whole thing started by simply correcting a mistake which you seem to make quiet frequently by posting about things you have absolutely no knowledge about.
+ the fact that Glads have other skills that don't take charges
What other skills is a Glad going to be using? I mean, be more clueless please.
When was the last time you saw a glad switch from his S grade duals to get a blunt or sword to do Fatal Strike or our stun's? Yeah.. never? Gotcha.
When was the last time you saw a glad switch from his S grade duals to get a blunt or sword to do Fatal Strike or our stun's? Yeah.. never? Gotcha.
I have infact seen a few glads switch to a blunt to do a quick stun and it's annoying to how your stuck there while they start pounding you and you can't move.
Also what is relevant here? All I see are some whiners complaining about kamael having full souls which is meaningless if they die to fast to use em. I mean I have a tyrant and I have a Kamael and I tell you I'm more mad about charging on my kamael than on my tyrant(btw incase anyone has to say something, Tyrants charge exactly the same as Gladiators do so don't QQ about it.) Soul gathering is basically a one time use in a fight and afterwards doing life to soul woul put you in a much much much worse situation than doing a few quick charges then doing 2k+ damage per hit in rapid succesion
I order to prepare my self for PvP, I precharge. In order for charges not to fade pre/midfight I friggin waste 300 mp using skills on NPC's so I can recharge back again.
Are you saying its hard to use soul gathering to max out your souls and do an occasional charge, which is easy healed back, to refresh your timer when ever?
Charges fading mid fight is just stupid, because 8 seconds can mean the difference between you dieing, the opponent dieing, running away etc. When is the last time a Kamael had to worry about " [censored] I don't think my 35 souls are going to last this fight?
Really, your skills takes more charges, can't be. Kamaels skills takes up to four charges each, you run out of them at the ending of the fight when you are left with about no HP and using body to soul is equal to losing 30%-50% of HP that you still have left. I've lost many fights only because I've ran out of souls and had to use BtS.
Ours skills are ALL tied to souls, yours are NOT. You can use your aoe attacks, triple slash or whatever without losing charges, while we can only use regular swings in such case.
Yes, we have higher cap, but we can't charge in the middle of the fight once the soul gathering is used. And in siege field you don't have any GK to hit around, are you even thinking? You just spam Body to Soul and healing potions.
This discussion is pointless. Gladiators can recharge their focus about ten times faster than any Kamael and can do that any time they wish. Kamaels have to recharge BEFORE fight and pray.
Right, our souls system is so uber to glads...
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You take 8 seconds to recharge and if Kamael loses his souls on some oponent, he is screwed.
And I do not like gladiators charges dissapearing as well, but even with this bug your charging system is five times better in pvp than Kamaels.
This whole thing started by simply correcting a mistake which you seem to make quiet frequently by posting about things you have absolutely no knowledge about.
+ the fact that Glads have other skills that don't take charges
What other skills is a Glad going to be using? I mean, be more clueless please.
When was the last time you saw a glad switch from his S grade duals to get a blunt or sword to do Fatal Strike or our stun's? Yeah.. never? Gotcha.
Triple Slash
Don't need a Charge
:p
And if kamael has 200 Souls they not going to Win a Fight with a Tryant or a Glad anyway.
The crit charge option of Kamael, does it work in PvP also or just in PvE? If it works in PvP, then what is the problem? The Kamael isnt a race that have gimped crit rate. I am not sure what class you are but I am guessing arbalester? If so then spamming skills isn't the only thing you are doing in PvP I bet.
Gladiator AoE's require you to have charges but don't consume the charges, instead they consume energy stones. Their damage is effected by the amount sonic charges you got. Triple slash damage is so low compared to a fully charged AoE, I dont see the point of wasting mp on this skill even.
A gladiator can chain skills, but each successive skill will do less damage because the damage is related to how many charges you got. For a Kamael it does not matter how much you got.
What does this mean? To do top damage you will try to get max charges. Untill lvl 78 this means you will be taking damage while not delivering any back. A Kamael can just use skills until he is out.
God ****, if this is the next generation of Kamael's no wonder everyone thinks they are gimp as hell.
If you go into a fight with full souls (which you should..), by the time you use up all them + soul gathering the fight will be over. Period. Its that freaking simple. Castle Sieges are the only exception, in which case there are enough breaks in between to fully recharge souls. (Even on your other players.. hint: deequip weapon, hit friend with fists... wee souls!)
Vs a Glad, who has no constant stream of DPS until 78. We have to stop, charge up, and restart again. (Thats 5 CP pots in case your wondering in charge time = 1K CP back)
This isnt even a discussion until the Glad gets charged up in the 40 range. Then you'd all have a point. But with a piddly 7 charges (+1 by focus sonic), your dealing with 1/4th the amount of souls a Kamael has.
Ashane
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1. you have a HE which is no where near a Gladiator so your complaining about a class that you don't even have
2. No Gladiator should lose to a kamael cause they have super low con and they don't hit that hard and kill them selves faster trying to use B2S
3. Stop crying about a new underpowered race it's not even Ct1.5 yet
3. A gladiator can wipe out a Kamael in at least 1 full unleash of all attack skills down the row if not less
4. In pvp since you spam GHP and GCPP's again there is no way you can lose to something of such low con with -50% healing effienceny
5. End the disscussion.
God ****, if this is the next generation of Kamael's no wonder everyone thinks they are gimp as hell.
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I am speaking from Soul Breakers point of view. And this character isn't nowhere close to such DD as gladiator is. I can't beat gladiator. SB strength lies not in his damage output, but in his abilities to cripple the enemy and make them extremely vulnerable targets for real dd's. This does not help to win 1 vs 1, but to underestimate his importance in group pvp would be foolish.
I actually have a Gladiator... so, you can kindly drop that one ;P
As to the rest, I'm not crying. I'm correcting you, as always, in your assumptions which, as always, are clearly wrong.
I'm frankly getting tired of you posting crap about things you know NOTHING about. Look back at the first few pages of this thread and you'll see how it started.
It started by someone simply asking why it coudnt be like Kamael soul's, in that the refresh timer is reset upon the gathering of the last soul (charge in this case since we'd like it for Glad's).
But no, you had to chime in with your typical bullsh*t posts.
This has absolutely nothing to do with what class can beat what class.
It has to do with a very simplistic issue. That being that a Gladiator's charge timer should be refreshed upon the last charge or rage used and not set at the default 1st charge/rage.
Ashane
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1. you have a HE which is no where near a Gladiator so your complaining about a class that you don't even have
2. No Gladiator should lose to a kamael cause they have super low con and they don't hit that hard and kill them selves faster trying to use B2S
3. Stop crying about a new underpowered race it's not even Ct1.5 yet
3. A gladiator can wipe out a Kamael in at least 1 full unleash of all attack skills down the row if not less
4. In pvp since you spam GHP and GCPP's again there is no way you can lose to something of such low con with -50% healing effienceny
5. End the disscussion.
Agreed with knight here for sure. Fought many Kamaels (beserkers really) as a paladin to me they are easy as hell to kill in pvp.
1. Alot sacrifice thier con for STR
2. Animations they do take hella long and i just shield stun and repeat.
They are awesome though, and I'm sure will get tweaked better and for worse in the coming patches.
And what I posted is that you can recharge effective immediatly as if it actually hurts you do to a few quick charges then unleash tremendous damage on people while kamaels do not have that kindof firepower and since ALL, not some, not most but ALL of their skills need souls, it is only right and salutary that they have more ways of replenishing them. And one way of doing that drastically hurts them. Which is why I'm am saying that it's pointless for a gladiator or a Tyrant, both built to be on the top 10 of biggest damage dealers on top of being hard to kill, should not be complaining about something so minor and insignificant.
By the way Ashane you need to stop with the cursing and swearing and grow up and act like your grown with some good common sense and posture. I know your better than that.
And what I posted is that you can recharge effective immediatly as if it actually hurts you do to a few quick charges then unleash tremendous damage on people while kamaels do not have that kindof firepower and since ALL, not some, not most but ALL of their skills need souls, it is only right and salutary that they have more ways of replenishing them.
Every damage skill a Glad is going to be using is taking or using charges too.
Dont even come off with Triple Slash or you'll get laughed off this forum.
By the way Ashane you need to stop with the cursing and swearing and grow up and act like your grown with some good common sense and posture. I know your better than that.
Get use to it kiddo. After 13 years playing these things I doubt I'm going to change for some random emo.
And what I posted is that you can recharge effective immediatly as if it actually hurts you do to a few quick charges then unleash tremendous damage on people while kamaels do not have that kindof firepower and since ALL, not some, not most but ALL of their skills need souls, it is only right and salutary that they have more ways of replenishing them.
Every damage skill a Glad is going to be using is taking or using charges too.
Dont even come off with Triple Slash or you'll get laughed off this forum.
Every skill a kamael has takes souls, the difference is kamael takes to long to charge and when they do they have little hp left of the little hp the have to begin with
By the way Ashane you need to stop with the cursing and swearing and grow up and act like your grown with some good common sense and posture. I know your better than that.
Get use to it kiddo. After 13 years playing these things I doubt I'm going to change for some random emo.
Heh 13 years and you still act like a child. Truly pathetic and irrelevant. However some people are like that and will almost never change so their usually the scourge of society that is best to be ignored. Good bye AshaneB, it's been a nice little debate, but as I said earlier, it's done and over with.
And what I posted is that you can recharge effective immediatly as if it actually hurts you do to a few quick charges then unleash tremendous damage on people while kamaels do not have that kindof firepower and since ALL, not some, not most but ALL of their skills need souls, it is only right and salutary that they have more ways of replenishing them.
Every damage skill a Glad is going to be using is taking or using charges too.
Dont even come off with Triple Slash or you'll get laughed off this forum.
By the way Ashane you need to stop with the cursing and swearing and grow up and act like your grown with some good common sense and posture. I know your better than that.
Get use to it kiddo. After 13 years playing these things I doubt I'm going to change for some random emo.
I said Triple Slash and no one laughed me off this forum. :p
Also how you post is a very strong indicator of how you act in real life and is also a inside look on your true feelings about life and the people around you.
Any way thank you for calling. :D
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Also how you post is a very strong indicator of how you act in real life and is also a inside look on your true feelings about life and the people around you.
LOL Ashley :)
You played with me some in game, and pm me all the time and you still post that? You know better.
Its not my job to make sure complete morons dont get their feelings hurt on a internet forum. Dont like it, dont read the forums... simple.
Also how you post is a very strong indicator of how you act in real life and is also a inside look on your true feelings about life and the people around you.
LOL Ashley :)
You played with me some in game, and pm me all the time and you still post that? You know better.
Its not my job to make sure complete morons dont get their feelings hurt on a internet forum. Dont like it, dont read the forums... simple.
O Come on you can see from the rest of the post I was just having some fun :D