Spam honestly, Kamael Hero on Franz?

I know your busy with constant stuff but the Spotlight should of went off on this one. 76/75 in less then 40 days? Do you really have to investigate this to know its blatant botting?

I want to honestly know how the youngest server in L2 can have the first Kamael hero in under 40 days when it is not humanly possibly to gain that many levels in that little time?

It is humanly possible.

Being the youngest server has absolutely nothing to do with this. It's not like Franz just came out a couple of months ago. It's been around long enough to have plenty of high-level established players, clans and alliances.

Having a 76/75 hero in 40 days will raise some eyebrows regardless of the server it was done on.

LOL it's one of the same people from the same clan that did it right after Franz launched. That is beautiful. Nothing ever changes.


(how many days are left on my account?)

oh charmille please explain how 1 person can play that much in 40 days i would guess less because but i havent check when he got noble I have to guess latest he got hero was 1/29 because his matches started on 1/30.

So he went 76/75 did his sub class quest and noble quest all in 37 days? which for your information is 111 total levels. Very likely im sure /rolls eyes

Well, for starters, Bat is a mega grinder. He's online pretty much all the time. Secondly, as Ashane said, his wife/gf whatever plays when he does not. Thirdly, he has bossjewels, OE'd S-grade and an army of high lvl buffers and players to help him level. Being that he is/was the leader of RM(not entirely sure about Franz stuff, he was on Teon tho).

That means AoE groups to powerlvl, best possible solo exp you could get, possible Zariche and Akamanah leveling so yeah, why not?

It is humanly possible.

Umm
lvl 1 -lvl 76 = 931,282,188 XP
lvl 40 - lvl 75 = 788,807,469 XP

CT1 came out on dec12 meaning he got noblesse in 44 days
44 days = 1056 hours

Which means that guy did 24 hours a day xp, no bathroom breaks no soulshot restock (cause kamael con allows you to carry loooooooooooots of ss) at an average rate of 1,628,873 XP an hour

Sure it's possible yeah

PS he didnt get zariche or akamanah at all
plus nobody ever saw him exp, the story is he only exped at rift

Cant aoe group to powerlevel anymore you noob. Cant wear boss jewels or sgrade till 76. So want to try this logic yet again?

You might wanna check how much a FoG group makes per hour.

Cant Group with a FOG group till 58 on both classes. And how many hours straight can one go? And one bad aoe bamn the kamael with its great hp is dead.

Good try, keep digging that hole charmille, you just want to think its humanly possible because the obvious thing for everyone else is he bots, jut like all the people said he did on his first toon on franz that got 76 in under a month of the server live with no high level buffers no sgrade blah blah blah.

It is humanly possible.

And if its humanly done, I am sure the person doesn't mind being investigated.

Cant aoe group to powerlevel anymore you noob. Cant wear boss jewels or sgrade till 76. So want to try this logic yet again?

LOL. 1-40 go rift, boom boom hella fast with prophecies. 40-60 you can join a AoE group that is 59 lvl at most, again, hella easy. After that, FoG calls. And are you dense or what? YOU CAN EQUIP S-grade even if you're lvl 1.

LOL. 1-40 go rift, boom boom hella fast with prophecies. 40-60 you can join a AoE group that is 59 lvl at most, again, hella easy. After that, FoG calls. And are you dense or what? YOU CAN EQUIP S-grade even if you're lvl 1.

Just a question here...I didn't think you could get in the rift until you were past a certain level?

That'd be lvl 20, but do you really need it broken down for you? 1-20 is a few hours. Something not even worth mentioning.

With just newbie buffs and a +'d S weapon you can probably get 40 in a day or two.

You can solo kill RBs to get some real power exp at the 1-40 phase.

That person has no life lol

You can solo kill RBs to get some real power exp at the 1-40 phase.

That's true, you typically gaina level or so from 20-40 per boss and it doesn't take long at all.

I know your busy with constant stuff but the Spotlight should of went off on this one. 76/75 in less then 40 days? Do you really have to investigate this to know its blatant botting?

I want to honestly know how the youngest server in L2 can have the first Kamael hero in under 40 days when it is not humanly possibly to gain that many levels in that little time?

Investigate him all you want.

Maybe then it will shut people up about it.

If you dont KNOW him, or watched him exp... please dont talk.

I both know him, and watched him exp. Hell I was in the rift a majority of the time with him getting PoF from his prophet.

You can say he has no life, but as far as I know thats not a crime.

Was keeping up with him for awhile too, but he started zooming once he hit A and was able to group with RM more for RB's :X

That person has no life lol

You forgot to add "OMG he needs to get laid!"

Sounds like a comment from youtube.
Tetris Attack top high score in 1:37
- OMG impossible it's a fake!
- Man it's easy if I had time I would do that too
- LOL he needs to get laid
- no life! he's been trying for years 24/7
- get a life doh!
- etc


And gratz SlyCutter for your great knowledge of the game. Good theories and all.

I found the level 80 wolf on Lionna impressive also >.>

I don't doubt it's humanly possible. Without botting at all no less.

I do however think it's total BS you can get that high, that fast. Period. No matter how it's done.

I don't doubt it's humanly possible. Without botting at all no less.

I do however think it's total BS you can get that high, that fast. Period. No matter how it's done.

I'd agree.

The main issue I found was that you could enter the rifts solo. That should NEVER be possible.

It was never intended for you to hunt 6X mobs at such low levels and in such numbers solo.

I don't doubt it's humanly possible. Without botting at all no less.

I do however think it's total BS you can get that high, that fast. Period. No matter how it's done.

I'd agree.

The main issue I found was that you could enter the rifts solo. That should NEVER be possible

It was never intended for you to hunt 6X mobs at such low levels and in such numbers solo.



Rifts solo on what server since as an Overlord if clan isn't on i have to solo .

You just need to have 4 ppl in party, but they can be anywhere really. Easy way to enter Rift solo.

I found the level 80 wolf on Lionna impressive also >.>

Yep I remember that one, it was in a bot train for a month, then it was sold in Giran

You just need to have 4 ppl in party, but they can be anywhere really. Easy way to enter Rift solo.

Was reduced to 2 now.

Its dumb.

Even Bishop's/EE's can wth rock the Rift with Turn Undead and get far more exp then they would in say a pagan's side room.

They reduced the limit? LOL.

Botting was never the fastest way to lvl. I dunno why people think that..

Botting was never the fastest way to lvl. I dunno why people think that..

Right, that's why there are people who will professionally power level you and that's not exactly botting, but someone will play for 24x7 nonetheless:p

Botting was never the fastest way to lvl. I dunno why people think that..

Right, that's why there are people who will professionally power level you and that's not exactly botting, but someone will play for 24x7 nonetheless:p



Not sure what you are trying to say here.. Powerlvling is not the same as botting.

Botting was never the fastest way to lvl. I dunno why people think that..

Right, that's why there are people who will professionally power level you and that's not exactly botting, but someone will play for 24x7 nonetheless:p



Not sure what you are trying to say here.. Powerlvling is not the same as botting.



Your right it's not the same sooooooo go go Pro-power level teams!!!

Botting was never the fastest way to lvl. I dunno why people think that..

Right, that's why there are people who will professionally power level you and that's not exactly botting, but someone will play for 24x7 nonetheless:p



Not sure what you are trying to say here.. Powerlvling is not the same as botting.



Your right it's not the same sooooooo go go Pro-power level teams!!!


Powerleveling is ok as long it is not a paid service and/or with automated characters. And of course the powerleveled character must be able to answer a GM, ie not be afk. It can be boxed.


BTW I once went in Rift at lvl 6X with a Destro+BD and Doomcryer buffs, and I must say the XP was awesome. So I guess if you can solo it's even better.

I found the level 80 wolf on Lionna impressive also >.>

Go to Dino Island and you will see where all the lvl 70-80 wolfs and top a weapon rec's/parts are coming from and I know which dwarf in Giran owns those bots, but I can't post the name here because of forum rules (the ones that play on Lionna knows who he is)

Top A parts now come from the Bingo game in Aden as well.

Solo exp in Pagan's Temple Anteroom = win.

I doubt bots could level that fast. or there would be dozens for sale in all the servers.

a group of determined people with the right buffers/gear. in the right xp spots. that doesnt sound out of the question at all.

You just need to have 4 ppl in party, but they can be anywhere really. Easy way to enter Rift solo.

Was reduced to 2 now.

Its dumb.

Even Bishop's/EE's can wth rock the Rift with Turn Undead and get far more exp then they would in say a pagan's side room.



Thats why I want double exp days.

80-100k a kill in hero rift on my EE. Thank you plz.

In all seriousness. 1-40 is possible in mere hours. Solo low level raidbosses. Think about it.

40-60 is pretty easy too with buffers+gear
60-75 is all about long grind sessions. Level a day is totally possible.

1-78 is 2 months in 9man all day groups from what I was told.That is pretty close to getting 76/75 exp.
76/75 is doable in the days listed if you get powerleveled.Not doable with bot. Fog aoe / solo exp with sws,bd,cat,cov and OE weapon . If he is no lifer and has friends that do aoe or really good groups it wouldn't be that hard for him I guess.

TBH Solo rift trumps **** near everything but AoE plvl.

Later on hitting Hero rift in duo with BD like he did is also freaking amazing exp... use up alot of dim frags, but who cares. (To make sure you tag a good 8 room always)

I know your busy with constant stuff but the Spotlight should of went off on this one. 76/75 in less then 40 days? Do you really have to investigate this to know its blatant botting?

I want to honestly know how the youngest server in L2 can have the first Kamael hero in under 40 days when it is not humanly possibly to gain that many levels in that little time?

There are ways to get there that fast without botting lol.

Well, for starters, Bat is a mega grinder. He's online pretty much all the time. Secondly, as Ashane said, his wife/gf whatever plays when he does not. Thirdly, he has bossjewels, OE'd S-grade and an army of high lvl buffers and players to help him level. Being that he is/was the leader of RM(not entirely sure about Franz stuff, he was on Teon tho).

That means AoE groups to powerlvl, best possible solo exp you could get, possible Zariche and Akamanah leveling so yeah, why not?

Char - you mean to tell me.. that you support a player that full admits to adena transfering to Franz - LOL enjoy the ban!

I know your busy with constant stuff but the Spotlight should of went off on this one. 76/75 in less then 40 days? Do you really have to investigate this to know its blatant botting?

I want to honestly know how the youngest server in L2 can have the first Kamael hero in under 40 days when it is not humanly possibly to gain that many levels in that little time?

Investigate him all you want.

Maybe then it will shut people up about it.

If you dont KNOW him, or watched him exp... please dont talk.

I both know him, and watched him exp. Hell I was in the rift a majority of the time with him getting PoF from his prophet.

You can say he has no life, but as far as I know thats not a crime.

Was keeping up with him for awhile too, but he started zooming once he hit A and was able to group with RM more for RB's :X



Ash - so.. in public you support a player that on other boards has said that he transfered adena and you still stand behind him??? so my question to you Ash- how many toons have you botted? God willing you will get banned off of any server you are on - only botted toons stand behind/defend botted toons.

Ash - so.. in public you support a player that on other boards has said that he transfered adena and you still stand behind him??? so my question to you Ash- how many toons have you botted? God willing you will get banned off of any server you are on - only botted toons stand behind/defend botted toons.

I've been playing this game for 5+ years, and I've yet to be banned, warned, or any infraction what-so-ever.

Good luck ever seeing me banned considering I do nothing thats illegal.

For one, you go on about how adena transfering is so wrong, then you throw in the "only botted toons stand behind other botted toons!"...

So are you accusing him of boting, which by the way, is a infraction against these forum rules? Or accusing him of transfering adena (which again, is against these forum rules?)?

Looks like I'm not the one breaking the rules there little buddy :)

bla bla.. this game didn't exist for 5 years yet.

back on topic: It's a guy from RM, a guy from franz. It's self explanatory. Something is shady about it. And as mr "i've been here 5 years" said. ppl dont get banned. especially not the ones who should get banned the most.
It just is like that. And i would not be surprised if there was a //admin>add lvl +++ involved with this this kamael hero case.

You're assuming hes talking about NAL2. He didn't say anything about "here". L2 in general has been playable for quite sometime. I remember hoping on the Japanese beta long time ago. Some people went to great lengths to sneak into the closed Korean beta. That was **** near 6 years ago

Some of the people here have been in the Korean betas...

@forgottensoul, being butthurt much? Cant fight Bat so you need to tarnish his name? This is a game, not life. Get over it. I couldnt care less what he did or did not do, but the fact is that getting to those levels legitly is POSSIBLE and DOABLE. Now, go learn some reading comprehension skills and some common sense. Might wanna learn something about the game too.

PS. you're the only one who seems to be looking for a ban. Shall we help you in your quest of getting it?

Well, for starters, Bat is a mega grinder. He's online pretty much all the time. Secondly, as Ashane said, his wife/gf whatever plays when he does not. Thirdly, he has bossjewels, OE'd S-grade and an army of high lvl buffers and players to help him level. Being that he is/was the leader of RM(not entirely sure about Franz stuff, he was on Teon tho).

That means AoE groups to powerlvl, best possible solo exp you could get, possible Zariche and Akamanah leveling so yeah, why not?

Char - you mean to tell me.. that you support a player that full admits to adena transfering to Franz - LOL enjoy the ban!



Seriously?

"This thread has been locked due to constant flaming and unconstructive posts"

I can see it now...

bla bla.. this game didn't exist for 5 years yet.

back on topic: It's a guy from RM, a guy from franz. It's self explanatory. Something is shady about it. And as mr "i've been here 5 years" said. ppl dont get banned. especially not the ones who should get banned the most.
It just is like that. And i would not be surprised if there was a //admin>add lvl +++ involved with this this kamael hero case.

I played in the Korean closed beta... kkthx. (Granted, all I remember most was "ooo panties!", but I was there :P)

Believe what you will TBH. It dosent affect Bat in the slightest, and since no one (and I mean NO ONE) has provided any proof, nor will they ever.... well, I know who to trust in. It aint some random ******s, compared to a person I've known for 2+ years.

Of course, nothing is ever good enough for you guys, because even if he dosent get banned like we all know he wont, you'll just say "Oh NCSoft never bans the players anyway!".

So whatever, take your accusations and shove em bud. You certainly wont hurt my reputation in game... one thats been gotten over the course of longer then you've been playing MMO's in general.

ok... off topic and completely hijacking this thread...

Why is it again that we can not play on the Korean servers?

and it doesn't sound like "forgottensoul" is buthurt, more like drunken, p!ssed off ranting - God know we all have been there before.

ok... off topic and completely hijacking this thread...

Why is it again that we can not play on the Korean servers?

You could before.

Some of us still can :)

ok... off topic and completely hijacking this thread...

Why is it again that we can not play on the Korean servers?

Because they don't want us there, amongst loads of other things i think comments like "ZOMG LOL LOL YOU LOL JUST LOL GOT LOL WTH" in shout chat would be enough to destroy the market :p

ok... off topic and completely hijacking this thread...

Why is it again that we can not play on the Korean servers?

You could before.

Some of us still can :)



only those with a Korean social security number can play on those servers so unless you're a Korean native I would be very carefull about saying you can play on their servers as when found out using a fake/stolen social security number getting a ban is the least of your worries

ok... off topic and completely hijacking this thread...

Why is it again that we can not play on the Korean servers?

You could before.

Some of us still can :)



only those with a Korean social security number can play on those servers so unless you're a Korean native I would be very carefull about saying you can play on their servers as when found out using a fake/stolen social security number getting a ban is the least of your worries



LOL, thanks for the "warning".

Although its funny you think legal action would be used for fake KSSN's.

ok... off topic and completely hijacking this thread...

Why is it again that we can not play on the Korean servers?

You could before.

Some of us still can :)



only those with a Korean social security number can play on those servers so unless you're a Korean native I would be very carefull about saying you can play on their servers as when found out using a fake/stolen social security number getting a ban is the least of your worries



LOL, thanks for the "warning".

Although its funny you think legal action would be used for fake KSSN's.




Have you already looked up the consequences for taking a KSSN and claming it as yours? Are there any? JW...

Beware Ash, there'll be a red light between your eyes before you'll say "I did it!". They don't joke with Outlanders.

ok... off topic and completely hijacking this thread...

Why is it again that we can not play on the Korean servers?

You could before.

Some of us still can :)



only those with a Korean social security number can play on those servers so unless you're a Korean native I would be very carefull about saying you can play on their servers as when found out using a fake/stolen social security number getting a ban is the least of your worries



LOL, thanks for the "warning".

Although its funny you think legal action would be used for fake KSSN's.




Have you already looked up the consequences for taking a KSSN and claming it as yours? Are there any? JW...



Its akin to downloading MP3's.

Its it "technically" illegal? Sure. Will anything *ever* happen to you? Not a chance in hell.

Its considering international identity theft and is punishable by about 10-15 years in prison in south korea.

There are several loopholes however, added on to the fact that in order to even play most Korean MMO's you have to be using a proxy from somewhere around there and you've got a situation where they cant ever find you.

However, its far easier to just find a korean on myspace, send him a message asking if he is playing Y game, and if not could he sign you up a account. There are several websites out there with numerous Korean's who will do just that as well .. all legally.

Learn to read Korean

I don't know how any one can still enjoy this game, and be concerned with what others do. That doesn't mean third party leveling, gold buying, and the like don't bother me; they do very much so. I am just saying that for this game, if one doesn't learn to focus on their own characters and enjoy the friends they make, it must be a very frustrating experience, day to day.

Well, for starters, Bat is a mega grinder. He's online pretty much all the time. Secondly, as Ashane said, his wife/gf whatever plays when he does not.

Again, I don't really care about this guy at all, but right, like I believe his wife/gf plays when he doesn't. That's very amusing if you actually believe that.

Have fun all, and top worrying what others do, legal or not. That fight was lost long ago. Enjoy the community you create for yourself in the game, and save yourself the stress. Spam and other NC folks know the stats on the servers. This is no revelation to them.

-Bam

......
So... to be very direct....

Adding the 20 level difference penalty in parties AND the VR-on-Poling-"nerf" didn't help in STOPPING POWERLEVELING AT ALL!!

GG NC-KR ....
.....

the official story is he wasnt powerleveled, he just exped 24/7 in rift, taking turns with his wife, one slept the other played
whatever

meaning the nerf on powerlvling "tools" wasn't necesary, like the party penalty was only made to help farmers not needing to delvl ever again....

he just exped 24/7 in rift, taking turns with his wife, one slept the other played

Interesting kind of family life.

Legal or not, I do not believe, that it is sane.

Insane Kitten

Again, I don't really care about this guy at all, but right, like I believe his wife/gf plays when he doesn't. That's very amusing if you actually believe that.

I find it very amusing that people who have never spoken to him and do not even know the slightest details about him can judge what he has done or has not done. You're all just a bunch of jealous little whiners who jump the bot gun when someone performs better than you.

Imho we need buffs-penalties. (except siege zone)
+-20 lvl, prophecy type bufs for 3rd prof chars only.

and I find it amusing that fanbois cant figure out it's impossible for a kamael to solo Commander/Hero rift on just pp buffs ... Unless he went in, exped for 5 minutes, came out, got pof again, got back in for 2 mins, came out got dances etc, and even then it would be pretty hard
Oh and having an oed S weapon works nice in your 30s-40s, after that you just miss too much/mobs have too much pdef to balance it out ... but anyways

I find it very amusing that people who have never spoken to him and do not even know the slightest details about him can judge what he has done or has not done. You're all just a bunch of jealous little whiners who jump the bot gun when someone performs better than you.

the official story is he wasnt powerleveled, he just exped 24/7 in rift, taking turns with his wife, one slept the other played
whatever

No one ever worked?

Who said he did it solo or with only PP buffs? Psst, Commader and Hero rift can be done nicely in a duo, especially if you have the right support classes to wait outside. Just burns alot of FoD to get to the best rooms every buffround.

OE S-grade works very well all the way to S-grade. Archer, fully buffed with an OE drac bow can level quite fast 5x->
The grade penalty is really not an issue when you have all the buffs at your disposal. And the pdef? S-grade has more pattk than the weapons you'd normally be using, so no, the pdef does not balance it out. It is still faster. And as long as you hit the mobs, there is nothing to worry about. Perhaps stop hunting high evasion red mobs?

Who said he did it solo or with only PP buffs? Psst, Commader and Hero rift can be done nicely in a duo, especially if you have the right support classes to wait outside. Just burns alot of FoD to get to the best rooms every buffround.

OE S-grade works very well all the way to S-grade. Archer, fully buffed with an OE drac bow can level quite fast 5x->
The grade penalty is really not an issue when you have all the buffs at your disposal. And the pdef? S-grade has more pattk than the weapons you'd normally be using, so no, the pdef does not balance it out. It is still faster. And as long as you hit the mobs, there is nothing to worry about. Perhaps stop hunting high evasion red mobs?

RM said that's how he did it, RM beeing his clan
A Destro can duo with a bd/sws yes with oop supports outside
A kamael cant, but seriously, it's not like I care, he got 76/75 in 40 days grats, but allow be to believe that unless he had an army of russians playing that char it's not doable by 1 person single target exping

If you dont care, why post so much about it? Looks like you really care.

RM said that's how he did it, RM beeing his clan
A Destro can duo with a bd/sws yes with oop supports outside
A kamael cant, but seriously, it's not like I care, he got 76/75 in 40 days grats, but allow be to believe that unless he had an army of russians playing that char it's not doable by 1 person single target exping

Er, learn what your talking about first.

RM never said he did it. I never did.

He soloed until he was within grouping range of his wife, at which point they duoed the commander/hero rift. (Shes a 79 BD with highly OE'ed S duals)

There was a 78+ Prophet and a 78+ SE buffing them.

I find it rather amusing you think a Kamael cant duo the commander/hero rift though.

Jealousy abounds!

All the accusations in the world will go unheard if no proof is presented.

So... end of story eh?

Why doesn't everyone on Franz that thinks it isn't humanly possible just petition him? Either that or shut up.

Yes, I'm jealous as well.

Why doesn't everyone on Franz that thinks it isn't humanly possible just petition him? Either that or shut up.

Yes, I'm jealous as well.

That will only get him thouroughly investigated... If he did something wrong and it is TRACEABLE (if it's not in the logs one way or another, it never happened) things will happen. (or better said MIGHT happen..)

If it's not traceble it will be as good as it never happened. :) No matter what others may say or whatever screen shots that can't and won't proove botting in any way at any time....

Soooo, Franz people who want him investigated simply pettitio him for "suspicion of 3rd party program use" or other illicit activities and maybe the proper people will investigate him..

If he did something wrong he should be punished, no matter what triggers the initial pettition (jelousy included).

Which is exactly my point. If it bothers anyone, petition. Complaining here is useless.

Wow, 76/75 in a month or so. Seriously thats not gaming, its working at a job on some high priority project critical to the defense of your country lol. For some reason this "achievement" has struck a nerve for me. The straw that broke the camels back sorta speak as far as gaming goes. I have lost my interest in these mmo games because quite frankly I simply cannot compete with most of these folks. Ive been playing L2 now for 3 YEARS. I finally have 1 toon who reached nobleless. 1 of those years I actually spent alot of time ingame due to career change etc. probably logged on 4-6 hrs a day. Its not a matter of how its done anymore its the fact that it is done. There is something fundamentaly wrong with the fact that something that takes many months or even years to accomplish (by a normal gamer?) is done in a month. Even if legit this in a certain way ruins the experience for alot of folks who just simply come to the conclusion there is no way to compete with people who are either independently wealthy and dont need to work or simply have no life outside of the cyber world. I am one of those, I guess you can say I was finally owned by this game and mmos in general.

many people play 24/7 switching between friends. i find it funny to believe him and his WIFE ? how do they earn money to pay for their accounts? anyway thats another story, and yes im sure i will be flamed for saying that but np...

but anyway assumeing they didnt use an automated program. MANY people on other servers have access to 79 WC/PP/SE etc, and have rerolled kamael.. and play as much as they can by themselves, and we yet to see a noble kamael.

Anyway, grats to him if it was legit (Y). very well done...

They might have a bunch of casinos. Or 300k $ in the bank. Who knows :P

**** BOTTER!!! LOL I HEARD EVERY SERVER HAS BOTTERS :>

Quite a few of the power gamers, meaning people that are in seemingly 24/7 claim to be independantly wealthy. I must suck though because I'm not sure how a person who plays nearly 24/7 could have had the motivation to earn enough to then play 24/7. Won the lottery maybe? Inheritance? :shrugs::

Quite a few of the power gamers, meaning people that are in seemingly 24/7 claim to be independantly wealthy. I must suck though because I'm not sure how a person who plays nearly 24/7 could have had the motivation to earn enough to then play 24/7. Won the lottery maybe? Inheritance? :shrugs::

Sorry Ellie, that comment makes absolutely no sense.

Generally people become wealthy because they are driven individuals.... who want whatever now, not later.

The exact same in Lineage 2. Generally driven individuals will be far ahead of the pack of "casual's" who take years to reach nobless.

I fail to see any difference :X In fact, its way too similar for most casual's liking (see that big post by the one guy who broke the camael's back or whatever LOL)

My point was, people who are wealthy IRL are generally driven in IRL. You can be driven in a GAME but I'm not seeing how you can be also driven IRL. Know what I mean? How do you have time to work if you play 15+ hours a day?

Wow, 76/75 in a month or so. Seriously thats not gaming, its working at a job on some high priority project critical to the defense of your country lol. For some reason this "achievement" has struck a nerve for me. The straw that broke the camels back sorta speak as far as gaming goes. I have lost my interest in these mmo games because quite frankly I simply cannot compete with most of these folks. Ive been playing L2 now for 3 YEARS. I finally have 1 toon who reached nobleless. 1 of those years I actually spent alot of time ingame due to career change etc. probably logged on 4-6 hrs a day. Its not a matter of how its done anymore its the fact that it is done. There is something fundamentaly wrong with the fact that something that takes many months or even years to accomplish (by a normal gamer?) is done in a month. Even if legit this in a certain way ruins the experience for alot of folks who just simply come to the conclusion there is no way to compete with people who are either independently wealthy and dont need to work or simply have no life outside of the cyber world. I am one of those, I guess you can say I was finally owned by this game and mmos in general.

/agreed
would be same for me

My point was, people who are wealthy IRL are generally driven in IRL. You can be driven in a GAME but I'm not seeing how you can be also driven IRL. Know what I mean? How do you have time to work if you play 15+ hours a day?

I dont know about you but if I hit that spot, I woudnt work a day again in my life, period.

I cant be the only one to think that way :P

With everyone and their dog using ultra-fast powerlevelling and other methods to advance so fast is it any wonder the rest of us have to put up with crap like AOE nerfs ? You muppets spoil the game for the rest of us. It is still just a game, right ?

Everything in life or in game is not equal.
you can play 2 hours a day in one spot, or in another, and the xp is going to be completely different.

and someone might pay you 100 bucks for a lap dance, but not to iron a shirt.

been lots of people in this game, who have found a xp spot, that under the right conditions yield a ridiculous amount of xp. and bots aren't going to be able to survive in those places.

My point was, people who are wealthy IRL are generally driven in IRL. You can be driven in a GAME but I'm not seeing how you can be also driven IRL. Know what I mean? How do you have time to work if you play 15+ hours a day?

If you can play 15 hours a day with expensive gear, high buffers, and no capital limit. And you electicity and net doesn't get turned off. One would say you no longer have to be driven in life to succeed.(Aka hes already rich and bored as hell. At least well off.)

From what I've noticed really rich people have nothing to strive for. Your wealth accumulates to the point everything is just handed to you. So they must find something to be good at to get that feeling of accomplishment. Sports, business, arts....videogames... whatever. Gotta give your life meaning.

Don't need to be Billgates either. If you have even 3million dollars say from small buiness, inheritance, investing. Whatever. You put it in a fairly safe 4% fund. It'd pull in over 100k a year. Your average person could live off that fairly easy and basically do....nothing.

Yeah, you'd figure someone driven would want a challenge to something other than their patience. ;)

But then, I suppose the game is a safe enough outlet for that kind of thing.

From what I've noticed really rich people have nothing to strive for. Your wealth accumulates to the point everything is just handed to you. So they must find something to be good at to get that feeling of accomplishment. Sports, business, arts....videogames... whatever. Gotta give your life meaning.

You forgot...

Release a RAP ALBUM!

Please god no more. Shaq was bad enough.

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