The smell of new server?

General Discussion Started Last reply 136 posts
Teon is out of availability for transfer now. Franz will be very soon too.
What does NC plan to do with Euros that want to play at their timezone and cannot get to any of those two servers?
Tell them "tough luck"? Havent really seen any interest in what the community thinks...
Turn Gustin to new European !
Where is your source for teon not being available?
LOL!!!
Good for you that it's a secure connection, or your coffers would be empty. Next time take a screenshot, making sure to omit your info.
imo just hit Teon with a bot ban stick to make room for us ;)

hope NC Soft did check how many lvl1 chars have been made on Teon the last few weeks to reserve for transfers as I know I did ^^"

Turn Gustin to new European !



Agree !

imo just hit Teon with a bot ban stick to make room for us ;)



There would be no one left if that happened... :eek:

Turn Gustin to new European !



Agree++++
Please make Gustin a new European server. We have a TON of Europeans who stay up to ridiculous hours of the night(morning really) in order to siege and compete in the Olympiad. It's ridiculous.

If all NCsoft did was change the time on the server to Euro that would help a lot of folks. I think it would be something easy that NCsoft could do to make the player base(about half Europeans) happy.
Don't think Lionna has any americans left, the ones that still are there haven't realized they've already moved :P
If I live in Europe and I transfer to an Euro server I would like to have euro time but also euro ping ^^
Oi!

Bloody [censored]!

You know not what you speak of!

:P
Turn Lionna into a Euro server...there are almost only greeks on that server
amen to that.
Cant we just ban the greeks? :P
That would be nice as they are violating the EULA every 5 minutes in the chat (in greek so the GMs can't tuch them :( )
yeah, we re kind of rebels by nature.
but thats what im talking about. we re quite so many, give us OUR server to play (utopia)
and call it bnb lol
nah.
nothing to do with that.


Turn Gustin to new European !



Agree !



While I sympathize with the sleeping issues for Euros on Gustin, I must disagree.

Yes I am not a Euro in Gustin, however, I disagree with changing the time line in an existing server.

I would much rather see an existing server, say Gustin, merge with another and then go to Euro time.

I dont care which server I play on, As long as I have good people to play with and I dont have to come home early from work to do Oly.

So make a third Euro server when Franz fills up. :cool:
You can make Hindemith Euro server, but don't merge it with anything, pls :D

If I live in Europe and I transfer to an Euro server I would like to have euro time but also euro ping ^^


Hm yeah but what if those massive amount of Euro servers are not available for trasnsfer? Not one of them?

and call it bnb lol



I lol'ed.
I'm wondering if you can return to Teon, if you have moved to another server and aren't happy with it, after, what is it 6 months? I'm guessing no
Why the *** would u move from Teon when its one of best servers in NA.
Make Gustin Euro server - yes.
Make a golden hammer ban for Greeks - yes
Make Erica merge with Kain and sieghart + place all greeks there - yes
Please consider those facts Greeks are even worse then Russians lmao !
Whats the point in suddenly changing server times now? Those who wanted to move to a Euro based server should have done so when Teon/Franz came out or make the server transfer now, but swapping an entire server to a different timezone doesnt make sense. Yes it makes things easier for Euro players, but how bout those of us in the US?

Merging servers just creates more complications. Not only do we suddenly have to transfer everything over, but we also have to see how many people have characters of the same name. We also create a more crowded environment for players because its bad enough we fight to find a room w/ bots and farmers but with a few thousand extra players its going to be hell.

Yes it makes things easier for Euro players, but how bout those of us in the US?




Live with it. Like we did. Or transfer to a NA server. Soon we won't have that option as europeans.
YOU CAN NOT TRANSFER TO TEON. Simple enough for you to understand? Franz will soon be full too, it is only about 500 connections behind Teon. That means the majority of European players wanting to transfer CAN NOT do so. And what stopped people from leaving when the servers first came? Well, how about their levels, gear, alliances, clans etc. they had accumulated? If you dont like your server becoming an Euro one, why dont you reroll to another one as a lvl 1? Surely you can do that if you're willing to suggest it to others.

Whats the point in suddenly changing server times now? Those who wanted to move to a Euro based server should have done so when Teon/Franz came out or make the server transfer now, but swapping an entire server to a different timezone doesnt make sense. Yes it makes things easier for Euro players, but how bout those of us in the US?




Same old arguments like always from US ppl.
When the Game came out there where no Euro servers.
However there where a few NA servers that where unoffical Euro servers means a lot europeans choose them.

Changing US time server to euro time is logical because just look at the connections Euro servers have and then look what US time servers have.
So why not change that unoffical euro servers from the past to euro servers now if the demand is that high ?

Also if that is so bad for you because ur US why not reroll to an other US server then like u suggested for the Euro players ?

There are simply to less euro servers and a lot empty US time servers.

Turn Lionna into a Euro server...there are almost only greeks on that server



Preferable one of the east coast servers should be turned.
Obviously the 200+ ping on the others is not that cool to play on.

Whats the point in suddenly changing server times now? Those who wanted to move to a Euro based server should have done so when Teon/Franz came out or make the server transfer now, but swapping an entire server to a different timezone doesnt make sense. Yes it makes things easier for Euro players, but how bout those of us in the US?




thats called capitalism!!! earn money from 5000 euros or dont earn money cause of 1000 US guys???

your lucky that NCNA seems to be a comunistic company who dont wanna earn money^^
It's an interesting discussion, one that has been going since Teon came on the map tbh, but also tbh NCSOFT never even hinted they were interested in moving a NA to a European location. It is ridiculous, yeah, considering for eg devianne or gustin are pretty much 80% european players but hey when have you seen NCSoft doing the obvious?
It would be cool if the servers could have geographic areas distributed. So it'd be shared environment, but (suppose) everything north of Aden were hosted in Europe
{ Goddard, Rune, Schuttgart, Orc Vil, Dorf Vil }
and all the south stuff were hosted in NA
{ Aden, HV, Oren, Giran, Gludio, Dion, TI, Heine, Gludin, Elf, DE }.

Then people might "gravitate" their grind to areas where they had better performance (less lag) - and also seats of power might reflect geographic affinities. Already people join clans with like language use.

I know the architecture for this could be worked out, but I don't know if NCSoft has the technology. There is a space-oriented MMORPG coming out that is going to revolutionize server architectures for these things.

IBM Gameframes: http://ebiquity.umbc.edu/blogger/2007/04/27/ibm-announces-gameframe-servers-for-mmorpgs/
That's just freaky.

It would be cool if the servers could have geographic areas distributed. So it'd be shared environment, but (suppose) everything north of Aden were hosted in Europe
{ Goddard, Rune, Schuttgart, Orc Vil, Dorf Vil }
and all the south stuff were hosted in NA
{ Aden, HV, Oren, Giran, Gludio, Dion, TI, Heine, Gludin, Elf, DE }.

Then people might "gravitate" their grind to areas where they had better performance (less lag) - and also seats of power might reflect geographic affinities. Already people join clans with like language use.

I know the architecture for this could be worked out, but I don't know if NCSoft has the technology. There is a space-oriented MMORPG coming out that is going to revolutionize server architectures for these things.

IBM Gameframes: http://ebiquity.umbc.edu/blogger/2007/04/27/ibm-announces-gameframe-servers-for-mmorpgs/


WOW ! JUST WOW !
I'm impressed never thought about it !
sounds like everyone over 76 will have to move to europe then, or go exp in Dion
It would make sense for more Euro server capacity to be developed.

I can't imagine there won't be shake-ups to servers some time in the future...after account transfer effects settle in.

NCSoft knows more about who pays for what and where they log in from than anyone posting here. They'll make the business decisions in their best interest in the end.

I just hope Lionna stays NA and relatively unpopulated for quite awhile (lol).

::shameless self-interest::
cool idea

couldnt go to some "countries" due to lag though.

would be an interesting development :D i like the idea.

would bring a real world feel into the game as well as give a sense of identity and culture to the differant townships. perhaps it should be tested on a PTS.
That wouldnt work well. Tbh i dont have lag issues generally. But it would be unfair to some wanting to exp at a specific place..
Changing one of the other servers to Euro time such as Gustin or LOLionna might be a good idea as long as they are willing to allow free full account tranfers for those who arent euro who would be essentially screwed over by the change.
And before you whine about what is fair for the euros, they knew the conditions of the server when they got there.

Changing one of the other servers to Euro time such as Gustin or LOLionna might be a good idea as long as they are willing to allow free full account tranfers for those who arent euro who would be essentially screwed over by the change.
And before you whine about what is fair for the euros, they knew the conditions of the server when they got there.



I can't remember...were there even Euro servers back then?
And why not make it the other way around - Make Euro server and allow Euros full account transfer there? For free of course. America claims to be most economically developed country, won't hurt them if they pay for something that Euros get for free :p

In other words: stop making one-sided discriminating suggestions. This game did not even have Euro servers, now it has whooping two. NC did big mistake that they did not realise potential of this game for Europe. If they loose Euro customers now, they loose majority. And they WILL loose them if things stay at current status quo with blocked transfers for 2 anmd only Euro servers. They better do something fast.

Hope they learned for future, other shiny new games did, they'll be happy to accept leftlings from here anyway.
all the people complaining asking for euro servers are new players after C2 on

NEWS FLASH NA HAVE EURO SERVERS 6 months after launch!!!! WOW. Highest players in NA were only mid 60's before c2. Whose fault is it you didnt want to start on a new server?

Anyone who registered after 12/04 stop posting because you don't have a leg to stand on in this argument.

Anyone who registered after 12/04 stop posting because you don't have a leg to stand on in this argument.


Haha, I played beta but I registered after 12/04.... However I'm perfectly fine on Kain, thank you.

Though at launch a lot of euros players started on Lionna, then many rerolled to Teon but some are still there and maybe some of them changed their mind and want to move to an euro server. It is not allowed to change mind?


Anyone who registered after 12/04 stop posting because you don't have a leg to stand on in this argument.



I play since the last week of open beta. I dont even have a game package because at that time you could not buy L2 in Europe, if you wanted to play you had to purchase a serialcode online from NC. I just did not reg at offical forums back then. Why ? because i did not need to.
For infos i had the prima guide and other stuff i could read here without to register.

Looking on reg dates from this forum and think ppl joined game then is really stupid.
Plus it dont even matter because its fact that only franz is open for transfers and there a lot more ppl franz cant hold of.

Whats wrong with changing almost dead NA servers to euro times so euro players can join that server ?
Why make a new one when u can use an old server ?
If you dont like it you can still reroll on an other US time server ( like u suggest for euro ppl to do or they should have done ).
Because your forcing people to change while no one has ever stopped someone from going to a euro server regardless when you started.

Europeans do not understand what Liberty and rights are, in US people have freedom of choice, you may not like the choices offered but you HAVE THE CHOICE TO MOVE. No is forcing you to do anything, you can easily just never play l2 again, but when you rip something away and force people to change thats when the game dies. IE SWG .... SOE changed and forced people to alter the way they play and removed classes it killed the game.

Europeans do not understand what Liberty and rights are



What the heck kind of messed up statement is that?
is kind of statements euros make about NA people


Europeans do not understand what Liberty and rights are



What the heck kind of messed up statement is that?



a very blindly-judgemental one tbh

<--- <3s America, but i dun like seeing statements like that


back on topic.....i think the chances for a new server are slim at best, even if there are some signs that say yes
Almost every country in Europe revolves around socialism how would they understand choice and freedom?
No wonder why he's homeless.
loc has to do with not having a castle since c3 >.>

Anyone who registered after 12/04 stop posting because you don't have a leg to stand on in this argument.



lol you just proved you weren't around when this was in beta as NC Soft redesigned their forums in prelude and everyone had to resign up on these forums and it wouldn't surprise me if not everyone did that as in those days everyone was at Ltwo0rpus (hehe that site is long gone since then but still censured)..

not even going to bother to comment on the rest of your posts here
Don't look now but your ignorance is showing.

No wonder why he's homeless.


Please don't judge all of us Americans by someone like him.
Decision will be made by NCsoft. Patriotism, Liberty and all that stuff you're so proud of has nothing to with that. It's pure business here.

all the people complaining asking for euro servers are new players after C2 on

NEWS FLASH NA HAVE EURO SERVERS 6 months after launch!!!! WOW. Highest players in NA were only mid 60's before c2. Whose fault is it you didnt want to start on a new server?

Anyone who registered after 12/04 stop posting because you don't have a leg to stand on in this argument.



I play since C1 but I registered on forums years later ... So, I don't have a leg to stand on this argument,right ?

Europeans do not understand what Liberty and rights are, in US people have freedom of choice, you may not like the choices offered but you HAVE THE CHOICE TO MOVE


That's what the chinese people were doing in the ancient times when China was separate kingdoms, they couldn't revolt against the taxes but they could "vote with their feet" by going to another kingdom less harsh.

Now what do you prefer? It's obvious Teon is full and Frantz will be after server transfers are open.

Once the transfer will be done who will still log in underpopulated servers? A new euro server opened and an old US server closed, that's what you'll get if you prefer it that way.


Europeans do not understand what Liberty and rights are



What the heck kind of messed up statement is that?



I guess you have to be an amerircan with a gun in the hand to uderstand that comment.


Europeans do not understand what Liberty and rights are, in US people have freedom of choice



freedom of choice? liberty? wake up man, money rules the world!!!!
Sweet Jesus, one dude throws out some flamebait and I guess everyone is hungry enough to eat it up. Give the comment the attention it deserves: none.
Sly, what you don't seem to understand is that: If a new server was introduced the remaining empty US servers would be even more empty. This is an attempt to bring back activity to atleast one of them.
You don't have to like it, but if that is what the majority wants then i think that is what should happen. Afterall it's money for NCsoft.

AND PLEASE read up a little before spitting out more bs about europe. You obviously have no clue. Go back to yer trailer.
If americans can talk about political governing wth us greeks are supposed to do ?
Anyway back to the topic. Merging is believing :P
I'd be well up for switching a server to euro. Then give everyone free transfers to and from this new server - like we were promised when the first euro server went online!

Europeans do not understand what Liberty and rights are, in US people have freedom of choice, you may not like the choices offered but you HAVE THE CHOICE TO MOVE



lol
americans = apachee , cherokee


No wonder why he's homeless.


Please don't judge all of us Americans by someone like him.


Don't worry, there are people like that everywhere. :)

Almost every country in Europe revolves around socialism how would they understand choice and freedom?



Im european and i have a minor in political science from a US University. My major is in mass communication.

Im having a hard time writing an answer to that statement since im laughing so hard from the ignorance it exposes.
really? Because there is no such thing a captialist country in the world. The US is a mixed economy but most european and even cananda is socialist.

Socialism has nothing to do with politics its about economies i guess you need to go back to school for that.
After saying this


Europeans do not understand what Liberty and rights are, in US people have freedom of choice, you may not like the choices offered but you HAVE THE CHOICE TO MOVE



I really don't think you have the space to be lecturing anyone.
Im not going to go into semantics with you. Everyone know what you were trying to say and it speaks for it self.

There will be no more responses from me, case closed as far as im conserned.
Its unfair to change a us server to a European one just like that. However if the demand is there for another European server it makes sense to create one more not only for the transfers but also for the potencial increase in revenue.

....in US people have freedom of choice, you may not like the choices offered but you HAVE THE CHOICE TO MOVE.



As us Europeans don't understand that we have the choice to move, change a server to Euro times and any remaining Americans will understand just what to do...............MOVE. ;)
Make Sieghardt the new euro server. It's dead anyway. There's no one left that will mind. Better it lives as a euro server than not live at all :p

really? Because there is no such thing a captialist country in the world. The US is a mixed economy but most european and even cananda is socialist.

Socialism has nothing to do with politics its about economies i guess you need to go back to school for that.



I suggest you take your own advice and learn some proper English, yankee boy.
oh boy....here we go again >.<

*jar-jar voice* Me outta dis one

yankee boy.



Why you gotta hate mang?
forgive charmille he is from finland. he just likes to think he can hang with the real big boys of the world ^^
Nevermind....

+1 >.<

Why you gotta hate mang?



Take the blindfold off and you might realise for yourself.

Almost every country in Europe revolves around socialism how would they understand choice and freedom?



ROFL


Why you gotta hate mang?



Take the blindfold off and you might realise for yourself.



Time to roll some Sakura! :mad:
**** charmille really seems like one of those people that hates america just cause its cool to hate america.

This was a topic about a new server, and it turns into a euro vs usa thread because of a few colorful people. Get a grip people. Myself included.
LOL the moderators failed to remove the statement that started it all...seems like it's ok to trashtalk Europe, but not USA
Yep. The very inapropriate and untrue comment that started this has to blame it self for the USA hatin'. Even if that happens to be a 12yo kid not knowing anything but "USA is teh bestest, cause that's what daddy told me"
And I really hope that is the case, cause when grownups aren't more enlightened it gets scary. It's enough that Fred Flintstone is your president already.
/sigh

If you see a babbling idiot on a street corner screaming nonsense...do you stop and debate him? Don't blame crazy/spiteful people for being such. Blame the supposed "sane" people who are all too willing to roll up their sleeves and dive head first into a ******ed fight over nothing. Un-[censored]-believable.

This thread had merit. Sure, NCsoft never would have taken any of this information and actually done something with it but it was a good thread.

/sigh

If you see a babbling idiot on a street corner screaming nonsense...do you stop and debate him? Don't blame crazy/spiteful people for being such. Blame the supposed "sane" people who are all too willing to roll up their sleeves and dive head first into a ******ed fight over nothing. Un-[censored]-believable.

This thread had merit. Sure, NCsoft never would have taken any of this information and actually done something with it but it was a good thread.



Very true. But ppl in street corners don't give +1 post :(


/sigh

If you see a babbling idiot on a street corner screaming nonsense...do you stop and debate him? Don't blame crazy/spiteful people for being such. Blame the supposed "sane" people who are all too willing to roll up their sleeves and dive head first into a ******ed fight over nothing. Un-[censored]-believable.

This thread had merit. Sure, NCsoft never would have taken any of this information and actually done something with it but it was a good thread.



Very true. But ppl in street corners don't give +1 post :(



lol, we have a winner. :D

If you see a babbling idiot on a street corner screaming nonsense...do you stop and debate him?



Yes.


If you see a babbling idiot on a street corner screaming nonsense...do you stop and debate him?



Yes.



You can't do that! I have clearly already won!
How dare you!

really? Because there is no such thing a captialist country in the world. The US is a mixed economy but most european and even cananda is socialist.

Socialism has nothing to do with politics its about economies i guess you need to go back to school for that.



u re rly clueless arent u?

**** charmille really seems like one of those people that hates america just cause its cool to hate america.




I've served with US troops. My opinions are based on my own experiences. Now take this "popular hating" thing of yours and shove it up yours. kkthx.
i lived in Europe for the majority of my life, and i know that when asked why they hate armerica, most people cant give you a real answer. So take your self righteous indignation and shove it up yours. kkthx.

i lived in Europe for the majority of my life, and i know that when asked why they hate armerica, most people cant give you a real answer. So take your self righteous indignation and shove it up yours. kkthx.



And that is based on how many peoples answers? Haha..
You make it sound like you did some sort of survey.
Your hate for america is based off what? The news you see at 7 pm. The way our president acts? Lemme know when you get a clue. Oh, and charm, i lived on a US military base for 9 years, and there are no greater people in the world, so cry more that your country cant stand up.

88 im done here.



88 im done here.



Wth was that? You some kind of **** punk?
I don't hate America nor americans.
I just don't like the attitude some ppl have when they obviously are clueless. And once again, was that a ****** salute?
Hope you get banned.
why not just make a compromise server instead of going full euro or full NA, take one of the NA servers an roll the hours back by 1-2 it will help some but more than that itwould keep more people happy. wild idea i know

why not just make a compromise server instead of going full euro or full NA, take one of the NA servers an roll the hours back by 1-2 it will help some but more than that itwould keep more people happy. wild idea i know



This is not a half bad idea! I'm not sure what time (EST time) the sieges are now but for me (on gustin) it is around 3am i think. So sunday sieges is never possible. but with 4-5 hours earlier that could work. I can't see how this would be a problem for american citizens either since it's weekend.
But i might be wrong :)
88 means good night. Or in this context, good bye!

88 means good night. Or in this context, good bye!



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/88_(number)

Cultural significance

In Asian culture
Eighty-eight (88) symbolizes fortune and good luck since the word 8 sounds similar to the word Fā (发, which implies 发财, or wealth, in Mandarin). The number 8 is considered to be the luckiest number of all in Chinese culture and prices in Chinese supermarkets can often be found containing many 8's. The Chinese government has even been auctioning auto license plates containing many 8s for tens of thousands of dollars. The upcoming Olympics in Beijing is due to open on 8/8/08 at 8 p.m. [1]

Furthermore, Chinese speakers also use 88 as a shorthand for "good bye" in SMS and IM chats; the mandarin pronunciation of 88 is "baba" which sounds like "bye bye".


As a Neo-**** symbol
Eighty-eight is used as code among white supremacists to identify each other. H is the 8th letter of the alphabet, so 88 is taken to stand for HH which in turn means Heil ******. [2] For example, the number is used in the song "88 rock`n`roll band" by the neo-**** group Landser.14 is used similarly, referring to the so-called "Fourteen Words", often found in combination with 88 (1488, 14/88, etc.). This form of the number has inspired the naming of the groups Column 88, Unit 88 and White Legion 88.
How dumb...

He clearly meant good bye, get your minds out of the gutter ;P

Personally I never even knew 88 could be taken wrong.

Hell, soon you wont be able to say "good day" without it being some covert super secret word that identifies you as a alien believer.

How dumb...

He clearly meant good bye, get your minds out of the gutter ;P

Personally I never even knew 88 could be taken wrong.

Hell, soon you wont be able to say "good day" without it being some covert super secret word that identifies you as a alien believer.



See you learn something new everyday

and btw I just wanted to make him aware of the other meaning of 88 since he clearly didn't know the other one...things you learn in the history lessons...

Your hate for america is based off what? The news you see at 7 pm. The way our president acts? Lemme know when you get a clue. Oh, and charm, i lived on a US military base for 9 years, and there are no greater people in the world, so cry more that your country cant stand up.

88 im done here.



Gratz to you kiddo. You lived with them, that makes you automatically biased. Not to mention that the life in the base is not the same as what happens on patrols and operations. But hey, you know it all, you lived there as a kid! Great people indeed, with arm long crime records, drug rings and prostitution inside the camps.
Ok.. I don't know what happened to my post on this last nite.

Apparently someone deleted it. So here goes again.


THIS IS NCNA. NOT NCEU.

You are paying to play a NA serviced Game.

If there is so much interest in a EU service, I suggest to someone to get a Business Plan together and find some investors and create a EU service for Lineage 2 gameplay.

Until that time, you are dealing with NCNA... North America..

I hate to point out the obvious, but there it is. In all it's unadulterated glory.

It has nothing to do with politics. It has everything to do with the licensing of the game. As a branch of NC Soft, NCNA is responsible for servicing the North American Lineage 2 gamers.

I give much credit to NCNA for attempting to service the EU players that came to this service and even going above and beyond to institute a few EU time zone Servers.

Redboan


See you learn something new everyday

and btw I just wanted to make him aware of the other meaning of 88 since he clearly didn't know the other one...things you learn in the history lessons...



What history class did you learn that 88 had **** meaning to it?

I sure didnt learn it, neither has my son or my daughter :X

I seriously doubt you learned it in school frankly. Hell, as a avid history/discovery channel buff, I've never even seen it mentioned there.

Thats just like 629 frankly. Stupid idiotic stuff that very few people will ever know because they really dont want to know much about how the neo **** skin head culture works.. thank you very much.



See you learn something new everyday

and btw I just wanted to make him aware of the other meaning of 88 since he clearly didn't know the other one...things you learn in the history lessons...





What history class did you learn that 88 had **** meaning to it?

I sure didnt learn it, neither has my son or my daughter :X

I seriously doubt you learned it in school frankly. Hell, as a avid history/discovery channel buff, I've never even seen it mentioned there.

Thats just like 629 frankly. Stupid idiotic stuff that very few people will ever know because they really dont want to know much about how the neo **** skin head culture works.. thank you very much.



believe it or not it does. 88 is short for HH.

(well, at least according to the anti defamation league)


believe it or not it does. 88 is short for HH.

(well, at least according to the anti defamation league)



I'm sure it does.

I know I could pull up some half [censored] obscure facts about other common number/meanings too.

That dosent mean this guy is learning neo **** culture in history. Lets get real here.
Who cares what its named? What is relevant is their customers. A business that loses sight of its customers, is a failing business. Not that I consider NCNA considerate of their customers... Point is, your post is pretty dumb. It doesnt matter if NCNA had 5% NA customers, and 95% elsewhere. Businesses will act accordingly with the numbers.



believe it or not it does. 88 is short for HH.

(well, at least according to the anti defamation league)



I'm sure it does.

I know I could pull up some half [censored] obscure facts about other common number/meanings too.

That dosent mean this guy is learning neo **** culture in history. Lets get real here.



ah, fair enough.

In any case, as recro stated, regardless of the percentage elsewhere, what matters to us is "here".

It is possible that NC korea is willing to accept a certain amount of loss in order to keep things going here and keep their foothold in the West. that's not uncommon in business.

I am really going to be curious to see what happens AFTER the server transfers.

regarding any possible merges that is.
Same, theyre going to have to create an inventive idea or theyre going to take a wide hit in the euro player base imo. This is make or break point for many players.



See you learn something new everyday

and btw I just wanted to make him aware of the other meaning of 88 since he clearly didn't know the other one...things you learn in the history lessons...



What history class did you learn that 88 had **** meaning to it?

I sure didnt learn it, neither has my son or my daughter :X

I seriously doubt you learned it in school frankly. Hell, as a avid history/discovery channel buff, I've never even seen it mentioned there.

Thats just like 629 frankly. Stupid idiotic stuff that very few people will ever know because they really dont want to know much about how the neo **** skin head culture works.. thank you very much.



When I had about 2nd world war we talked alot about ****** and **** at that time and also did a brief look at what happened to the ****.
If the crafters stay there is no reason a server would become empty. I mean the crafters by the crafters corner who make shots, mats and high grade stuff all day.

If they leave you can start packing your stuff :p

Ok.. I don't know what happened to my post on this last nite.

Apparently someone deleted it. So here goes again.


THIS IS NCNA. NOT NCEU.

You are paying to play a NA serviced Game.

If there is so much interest in a EU service, I suggest to someone to get a Business Plan together and find some investors and create a EU service for Lineage 2 gameplay.

Until that time, you are dealing with NCNA... North America..

I hate to point out the obvious, but there it is. In all it's unadulterated glory.

It has nothing to do with politics. It has everything to do with the licensing of the game. As a branch of NC Soft, NCNA is responsible for servicing the North American Lineage 2 gamers.

I give much credit to NCNA for attempting to service the EU players that came to this service and even going above and beyond to institute a few EU time zone Servers.

Redboan



You post most likely got deleted because it was idiotic drivel. NCNA is a company who has got a lisence agreement with a Korean company to market and run its game to a spicific area. It would be with extreme reluctance to give up any part of its market share, expecially one as profitable as the European reigion. There would be a big legal issue if another company tried to setup an L2 server in Europe. And as the license holder for that reigion it has a certain responsibility to those customers, it cannot just say "[censored] you" to all the European customers as you seem to suggest.



believe it or not it does. 88 is short for HH.

(well, at least according to the anti defamation league)



I'm sure it does.

I know I could pull up some half [censored] obscure facts about other common number/meanings too.

That dosent mean this guy is learning neo **** culture in history. Lets get real here.


I think it's more of a skinhead, prison tattoo thing. Yes, they use it to mean Heil ******.

Not a skinhead, just going a little bald... :(
Certainly a lot of heated and circular and off-topic debate over a topic that players won't influence.

Companies with a product tend to maneuver that product in their own best interests according to their own best intelligence (guesses/facts if they have them/etc.).

This won't come down to a cultural war or any determination on the 'value of America in the modern world' (lmao). It will come down to business decisions by the company.

For the record, though all of us forget at times, the truth is that political argument is pointless. There is not one single example in the history of mankind of two people arguing opposites of politics and one guy changing to agree with the other. It's never happened and never will.
Might as well save everyone's breath.

As far as server mergers--that will all be up to NCSoft. As many Euro's have said they are under appreciated by NCSoft I can take them at their word. Perhaps merging or not will be a sentinel event for many Euro players and cost NCSoft significant funds.

On a smaller scale, it will also cost them to merge my server--at least the amount I'm paying per month. I'm done the day they merge Lionna in any way.
And about that we don't all have to argue :)


Certainly a lot of heated and circular and off-topic debate over a topic that players won't influence.

Companies with a product tend to maneuver that product in their own best interests according to their own best intelligence (guesses/facts if they have them/etc.).

This won't come down to a cultural war or any determination on the 'value of America in the modern world' (lmao). It will come down to business decisions by the company.

For the record, though all of us forget at times, the truth is that political argument is pointless. There is not one single example in the history of mankind of two people arguing opposites of politics and one guy changing to agree with the other. It's never happened and never will.
Might as well save everyone's breath.

As far as server mergers--that will all be up to NCSoft. As many Euro's have said they are under appreciated by NCSoft I can take them at their word. Perhaps merging or not will be a sentinel event for many Euro players and cost NCSoft significant funds.




QFT


You post most likely got deleted because it was idiotic drivel. NCNA is a company who has got a lisence agreement with a Korean company to market and run its game to a spicific area. It would be with extreme reluctance to give up any part of its market share, expecially one as profitable as the European reigion. There would be a big legal issue if another company tried to setup an L2 server in Europe. And as the license holder for that reigion it has a certain responsibility to those customers, it cannot just say "[censored] you" to all the European customers as you seem to suggest.



Apparently you never went to business school and your the idiot.

I never suggested what you are talking about.

I suggested that if EU players are sooooooo feeling bad then someone should put together a Business Plan (see business school and education) and find investors to buy the rights to offer a EU service for the NC Soft Lineage 2 franchise to sell to the EU players.

Jesus, sometimes you guys just don't get it. Maybe you don't understand english. But then again, maybe you don't speak english.

For the idiot that posted this drivel.... NCNA is a DIVISION OF NC SOFT. They did not buy the franchise rights to sell Lineage II to the NA Masses. The are a part and parcel of NC SOFT.

If they had of bought the rights to do so, they would then have the ability to modify the code (if purchased) and the right to have their own events (if purchased) and this would be happening as I am typing.

But since you can't think your way out of a wet paper business envelope, I'll help you out.

They didn't and don't. They are a part of NC Soft, you fool.

Don't flame me without at least doing the minimal homework necessary to at least buy your own wok.

Sovrath? How do you deal with imcompetents like this?

Redboan
Note to redboan, when insulting people with comments like not understanding english, make sure your post isnt littered with grammatical errors. Where did you go to school for your business degree? Im curious where you can graduate as an idiot..
No I didn't go to business school, not everyone does. And for your information I learnt my English in England where I was born, so I would appreciate if you would refrain from making rasist comments about buying my own wok.
And it doesn't take a genius to know that NCsoft NA would never willingly give away 1/3 there income.
Lmao, pretty sure he was trying to say 'work'.. Either statements really dont make any sense in the context of his post though. Sigh, are all people in general discussion like this.. :( What has happened to the L2 community ?!
Community? Where?
Do you all really think "Euro" server means its mostly Euro's?

Honestly its not. Having played on Teon, there are a good chunk of American's playing there. (UFG is alot of American's, as is Qlimax, etc etc)

Same for Franz.

They all went because both those servers are the "newest" and anyone starting when they came out most likely would choose there to at least have a chance at being competitive.

Thats not to say that another Euro server isnt needed. It is, thats for sure. Since alot of Euro's are left out in the cold on Gustin, Hindemith, Dev.
1. Noone here really hates America. They just don't care and want their next +1.

2. For NC Korea, it could be a good idea to strip NC NA from rights to L2 NA and Euro servers, and give these rights to some operator (NA or European or whatever) who would really care about the game.
I don't think they will change anything to the servers before Aion is out anyway.
13 pages and you guys are still going at it? Daammnn.
I have briefly read all this thread and I find it very actual for me. If transfer to Teon is closed right now, then Franz have less than 500 vacant connections for thousands of Euro players who are waiting it for years. This means A LOT of Euro players will get a lost instead of transfer. Remember, there are hordes of treasure hunters who plans to speculate on prices difference. Buys some OEd S-weap/gear/boss jewels and take it with yourself when you will jump to Franz. It's just easy money. They want transfers too. =)

Yes, being a Euro, I actively agree with the fact we have great lack of a server representing Euro timezone. This can a completely fresh server (the name of Luna is estimated) or 'adjusted' one (Gustin and Hinde have great percent of Euros in their populations right now) or 'resurrect dead' one (such as Sieg and Erica) - just whatever you can imagine.

You can say that I had to think more on server choice. You can say Teon was online that time etc. Yes, Teon was online that time, but even that time it was totally overloaded. I had a lot of tries and I surrendered. I had no luck even to login. So I've chosen another server with high Euro players population, Hinde. Don't grouse about it, as we want to play and that was only solution to enter retail game somehow. They corrected Teon's login issue only in C4 and SS lags still remain.

1. Launch of a new server representing Euro timezone.
It's just awesome (!) solution. This can fulfill Euro severs demand for some time. :) As we will have server transfers SOON(TM), we can have all the gears we need and some amount of adena. All minor things you can sell, share adena within your chars, then move your valuables to Luna. Btw, word 'luna' in Russian means 'moon'. So this can be special 'moon server' which makes sense. :p

2. Conversation of an old server with high Euro players population.
A worse solution but it's still great. Yes, this can impact old NA players. As I'm not American, I can care on others' senses. :D So they obviously don't like this idea. But, hey, we will have server transfers SOON(TM), so it's not a problem. Just transfer your chars to a better server. This will make game better for all. NA players can group themselves to reach higher density and to add some new efforts to gameplay. Euro players will be happy to get another server with their more or less native timezone. This obviously will make that server very popular and highly loaded. This will attract new players and old players who can't play duo to timezone difference.

3. Ressurection of a 'dead' server.
It's such previous but makes less pain for NA players, some transfer pain for Euro players and transfer fees for NC. :) The result is the same - highly loaded server of Euro players and new/reactivated accounts.

All suggested ways to improve the game for Euros are imaginary. :( Hope we'll get it into the game sometime... :)
I wanted to make discussion about possibility of new server for Euros, not ****s ... Oh well the ways of internet communication are unpredictable ;)

Stick to topic please and move discussion about political and historical mud to Offtopic, thanks :)

Loc: Slovakia, heart of Europe



new server for Euros, not ****s


LOL.

13 pages and you guys are still going at it? Daammnn.



I know...

+1 before the lock....

:)
Racist? OMG... ROFLMAO

I never played any kind of race card.

As for the grammer errors? I don't see any that are that bad.

Maybe one or two slight grammer errors, but in the context of the post I was replying to it was significantly better.

The whole issue to me is that this is a NA franchise offering and not a European Union (or any of the non-EU countries including Russia) franchise offering.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on EU's. We have alot of EU players in my clan and I love playing with most EU's i've come across, with the exception of those who blindly hate and discriminate against Americans.

I meant to suggest, if you want something changed, do it yourself. Go out and find an investor and get the franchise rights for EU. You'll be more happy in the long run as it seems that NCNA's focus is on NA.

Redboan
Everyone, who even thinks that the usa are not the God's bless for all, is automatically treated **** and racist. May God Bless The Holy Power of The USA. *praying, touches ground with the forehead*

Everyone, who even thinks that the usa are not the God's bless for all, is automatically treated **** and racist. May God Bless The Holy Power of The USA. * praying, touches ground with the forehead *



Almost had me but alas you have the wrong country there.
Locked for getting completely off-topic and turning into a flame fest. The actual relevant feedback has been read, noted, and will be forwarded to the team. Thank you.