I think we should have a thread, with just "/sign" from literally hundreds or thousands of people, so that NcSoft NA will listen to it.
With Server transfer Looming, and the system not really working for the majority of the NA market that wants to transfer, Let's suggest a Change.
In the opinion of many, It would be better to let toons take their inventory with them, as well as some ability for clans to be transfered even with the idea that the system could be abused.
Clan Transfer could work just like the toon transfer,
Clan Is created level 1 on another server, when xfer happens, Everything, Rep Points, Skills, and CWH get transfered.
Even if you wanted to make an additional fee for it, I'm sure TONS of clans would pay for it.
We are NOT the Korean L2 market that has tens of thousands of people jam packing every server we have.
We need different things sometimes than a direct copy/paste from another L2 market.
Maybe post an official poll Alyra? You'll see the massive response from the community.
To wait 4 years and give us a direct copy of what Korea has had in place for a while, is a pretty powerful slap in the face to those who have waited patiently for the service.
no. the minute you allow a full inventory to transfer, you unbalance economies. suddenly theres only 4 trillion adena in circulation on one server, but 17 trillion on another because one level 40 dwarf farmer paid for one transfer and brought with him 20 of each epic jewel.
theres a reason the no inventory is a good thing and i think you really are clueless to just how fair it really is.
The economies aren't balanced in the first place. Theres nothing wrong with the origional suggestion. Though of course it will never happened as its molded after korea.
It is royally screwing over those of us with Subclasses that have elite gear, as well as any buff pets we want to bring over.
I don't necessarily know if what I suggested is the best form, But I dont think it's fair someone who has waited over 3 years for transfer, gets told..
"You can pay xxxx of RL dollars, but all the time you spent getting those Nicely ++'d weapons, Epic Jewels, and Armor sets, doesn't count for anything."
Answer me one question, Classes such as Titan, That require a 2 Handed Sword as well as a Pole.
One guy on my home server, has a +6 of each, S grade.
Do you really think 300 - 700m will be enough to buy a new +6 s grade weapon on the new server, where prices will skyrocket overnight?
Like I said, Not saying my solution is best, I'm just thinking it's not a fair system, and definately not one worth the 50$ (+) they will charge for it.
actually, they are, to a degree. prices for most things arent off by much more than 10% +/-
few things are unbalanced, yes, but the majority of items are the same price. some weeks some things are higher price than others, true enough, ancient adena kind of governs a lot of those things.
but even if you consider economy to be a moot point, consider how allowing an inventory to travel actually renders adena capping moot.
Transfer 1 char per week, in two weeks you can have two full sets of gear on your new server and since epics are the most compact form of wealth you can even bring over all of your money.
:P Spud, I do agree with the point of Adena cap being moot.
BUT
having a cap does limit xxx illegitimate farmer toon from xfering 2b in cash on one toon to be gotten rid of in methods that break the EULA.
the same is true if you allow inventory transfers.
S gear for a noble (2 sets) amounts to more than 4b if you include epics. you would ban a farmer for transferring 2b, but you'd LOVE to have an inventory worth easily 2-3 times that in gear not cash.
Assuming that it's 50$ per transfer you can possibly transfer hmm a 7.5bil boss jewel set a 2bil S grade +6 set a 2bil worth +7-8 weapon. And 700mil cash. Seems good deal to me...Just transfer your buffpet and if needed another toon lvl 40.
Maybe post an official poll Alyra? You'll see the massive response from the community.
To wait 4 years and give us a direct copy of what Korea has had in place for a while, is a pretty powerful slap in the face to those who have waited patiently for the service.
I agree with you - I still wonder why it took so long since it has been available to NCK for sooooooo long. I'm starting to think that there is only a few people left at NCNA that are allowed to work on L2.
The thing that people miss about inventory transfer is that you're moving items, not raw adena. While someone may move an item worth 1b, that doesn't drop 1b into the other servers economy. When someone buys that item, it simply transfers the money from one player to another. It does not create that money.
Having played FFXI extensively, I've been through server transfer issues like this. That game added server transfers last summer with full inventory movement (roughly 240 items for a full inventory + storage). The effect on the economies was negligible, and prices balanced themselves out within a month or two of the transfer service going live. While I'm not as well versed in L2 as many people here, I know enough to believe the same thing would happen in this game.
Didn't know it was bannable, considering there's 18073596345893649 threads of random garbage about the same thing, figured it would be better to get it in one thread.
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I didn't know.
Transfers are fine as is, people cried for them for so long, they finally got them and yet they cry for more.
When people heard "server transfers are coming" they assumed that it wouldn't be as limited as it was. I think most people understood that there would be some limits but not so strict.
i m not gonna sign. Allowing the carry whole inventory is gonna [Censored] up the other sever economy.
How do you know? It will balance itself out over time. NCsoft doesn't even know if it will or will not. The main reason the transfers are so strict is to limit the abuse of the transfers. Which I can understand but things like clans are not something you can buy or abuse since it takes time.
i m not gonna sign. Allowing the carry whole inventory is gonna [Censored] up the other sever economy.
I'm sorry but i'll just have to LOL at you (and at Spud and every other fanboy for that matter) :D
The main characteristic of this game is its already completely [censored]-up bot-run economy !!!
Allowing full inventory transfer wouldnt change a thing...
And dont think for a minute that this was a big plan or anything, it's just that the 3 ppl left who're working on L2 at NCNA were just too lazy to do anything besides a "copy & paste" from the Korean service :)
i m not gonna sign. Allowing the carry whole inventory is gonna [Censored] up the other sever economy.
I'm sorry but i'll just have to LOL at you (and at Spud and every other fanboy for that matter) :D
The main characteristic of this game is its already completely [censored]-up bot-run economy !!!
Allowing full inventory transfer wouldnt change a thing...
And dont think for a minute that this was a big plan or anything, it's just that the 3 ppl left who're working on L2 at NCNA were just too lazy to do anything besides a "copy & paste" from the Korean service :)
Or Korea said "this is how you are going to do it".
NCNA has never been free to do what it wants. Why? Because they are part of NC Korea. NC Korea calls the shots.
My office is a division in a large global company. We write sofware for handhelds that are then integrated into the larger "workforce solutions" (blah, blah, blah).
In no way do we go off and do what we want without the main company knowing everything we do or in some cases dictating what they want us to do.
I do know that they indicated they wanted to make a service that could not be easily abused.
I guess what they are saying is that if you "really" don't want to reroll to another server then this is the solution we have for you. It's better than rerolling but not as good as if it was your home server.
Essentially, it's a compromise. Otherwise people will be screaming that the system is too easy to abuse.
I won't sign, actually I expected same as Korea had previously (naked, nothing, just Adena). I am very happy with stuff I can carry with me.
I would be happy to bring Special Xmass Trees from my WH too but if not, then not. Level, skills and a bit of Adena to survive start is all that's needed IMO.
I won't sign, actually I expected same as Korea had previously (naked, nothing, just Adena). I am very happy with stuff I can carry with me.
I would be happy to bring Special Xmass Trees from my WH too but if not, then not. Level, skills and a bit of Adena to survive start is all that's needed IMO.
qft
NC has it's reasons. i don't know them, may not like them at times, but still
I won't sign, actually I expected same as Korea had previously (naked, nothing, just Adena). I am very happy with stuff I can carry with me.
I would be happy to bring Special Xmass Trees from my WH too but if not, then not. Level, skills and a bit of Adena to survive start is all that's needed IMO.
I've also made my peace with the server transfer guidelines. I wish I could take more adena, but given a headstart like that which was proposed, anyone can easily rebuild wealth.
i m not gonna sign. Allowing the carry whole inventory is gonna [Censored] up the other sever economy.
As opposed to selling in mass equipment to liquify before transfer and buy in mass on the new server...
Yeah really...
Economies ARE balanced. And w/e mess happens, it will rebalance afterwards. You just have to remove from your head that economy balance = I can get stuff easily.
Economy works very well. Those last days, Teon's Giran is flooded with DC Robes. In a few months the price went from 20 to 17 millions. It balances. A little while there was a lack of C-Grade crystal. The price of BSPS C went up. It balances.
Stop crying "omagad economy is screwed, there's so many zeros in prices!".
I dont understand people's arguments that you shouldnt be able to transfer your inventory because it will change the economy too much. The economy is going to go crazy now that everyone has to sell all their extra equipment for adena and then buy them again on the other server. Prices will drop on servers that will probably lose more people than they gain (Sieghardt) while prices will skyrocket on Bartz & some others.
Transfers are fine as is, people cried for them for so long, they finally got them and yet they cry for more.
When people heard "server transfers are coming" they assumed that it wouldn't be as limited as it was. I think most people understood that there would be some limits but not so strict.
Ummm I have been saying from day 1 that this service will be kinda good, but for those that have 2 or 3 subs, they are screwed....
you have any idea what your signing? And besides petitions are a bannable offense on these boards if you cannot read the rules.
Sly - just in case you have not noticed... the Forum rules have kinda turned into a "Don't ask, don't tell" policy... not saying that it is a bad thing.. actually I think it is a good thing, at least lately you can actually see/read what people are upset about.
what do people think they are contributing by going /sign
Means nothing to ncsoft because added no value to the reason why or why not they get zero feedback and the /sigh things starts being lemming orientnated lol
Considering the global/cumulative population of all the NA servers combined, a more realistic plan by NCSoft should be to consolidate servers. Teon, Franz, and Bartz are healthy in size without being so crowded that stifling lag and impossibly camped xp spots are driving people away. The remaining ones could easily be consolidated into 2 servers, with healthy population sizes, yet room for growth.
However, consolidating servers isn't profitable. Transfers, however, are. They are especially good money makers if you place limits on gear transfers so that players are pushed to pay for the transfer of multiple toons to mule their gear over. PlayNC may lack in customer support at times, but they know how to chase profit.
Sadly, its quite possible transfers will be even more overpriced than gender and name changes were. Instead of inspiring old school players to pull up and relocate, there are good odds many will just give up on L2 altogether.
I'm not planning on transferring but I don't understand why they'd limit the transfer so much. Did NC really forget most people have a subclass that also needs gear?
Honestly it just seems like it'll further fuel the farmer companies doing "3rd party" adena transfers across servers.
If somebody is good enough to start with nothing and (honestly) get megaRich on server(old), then they are good enough to start with several hundred million adena and get rich again on server(new).
Server transfers as now offered are plenty generous. I disagree with the OP.
I think that the fact that L2 is so much better than WoW (and other NA games) proves that we are far better off with the current system of Korean Development rather than NA development. I think that those who 'complain' about us getting Korean content rather than NA customized content are misguided. NA content would make the game worse, in my opinion, not better.
But, really, there are some ideas that are good. For example, they can allow to transfer, let's say, 50m adena only, but anything you want in your inventory also... I think this transfer limitations are like strange. But, well, it's still much better than nothing. So, after 4 years of waiting, we can feel a bit happy. The only thing which crosses out all joy is the fact we have nowhere to jump. Teon is closed and Franz will become closed pretty soon. :(
I think that the fact that L2 is so much better than WoW (and other NA games) proves that we are far better off with the current system of Korean Development rather than NA development. I think that those who 'complain' about us getting Korean content rather than NA customized content are misguided. NA content would make the game worse, in my opinion, not better.
Both are the same, it's all about the money. Whatever keeps the money coming in gets implemented. For NcKorea its what thier very large player base wants and we (NA a very small player base in comparison) get the leftovers. If NCNA could taylor the game to the NA market they would. Doesn't matter what part of the world the dev team is on, it only matters where the majority of the player base is from and for L2 that is Korea. Obviously alot of NA players like the way it is being run or they wouldn't be playing the game. Reading these forums in no way represent the majority of the player base for NA. If you haven't noticed NA/EU players complain about everything. There is always someone unhappy with the results.
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