Consider this a direct dialogue with Ornery if you will, as head of L2 in NCNA i could see this as making or breaking his job security in that position.
I think NCNA needs to take a minute and take a serious look at what sort of situation they are about to put themselves into with Xfers, they greatly risk destabalizing the player base, and disgruntling the players that have worked for a long time on their servers to raise their clans level for example.
Yes, it might be hard, but when you have mass transfers, like you will soon see, alot of people are going to get frustrated with the service they have received extremely quickly. A clan should be transferrable, you should consider it a priority, it can be as simple as transferring a character I would think, and in all reality the ONLY clans that are gonna be transferred are large, high level clans.
Create clan on new server --> Leave it level 1 --->purchase clan xfer service --> Apply it at account page from Character to new Server.
Same as character transfer, some database clicks.. it should be alot easier, and shouldnt be as much work, its transferring a LVL vs xferring gear, adena, deleteing items, and everything else.
Please use this topic as an opportunity to take some serious consideration into it.
at the end of the day, if this is what makes or breaks L2 NCNA, and causes yet another mass exodus of players from the game, the development department is in trouble, they at some point have no choice but to consider the market in NA because as much as we say "they've never done it in the past, why now" they do realize they are getting to a point where the possibility of maintaining the service could cost more than it gains. And then its job cuts baby
While I like the idea Wshi, I have a few questions:
What happens to the contents of the CWH? What happens to guard orders, clan skills, and such?
A clan cannot be made by a character below level 10. A server transfer will require that you create a level 1 and leave it such so that you can transfer.
How will that affect your idea for clan AND character transfer?
While I like the idea Wshi, I have a few questions:
What happens to the contents of the CWH? What happens to guard orders, clan skills, and such?
A clan cannot be made by a character below level 10. A server transfer will require that you create a level 1 and leave it such so that you can transfer.
How will that affect your idea for clan AND character transfer?
good question, and it's good that you worried about it enough to ask, but it's my belief the GMs can pull it off if they wanted to :p
Just like character Xfers, it will NOT xfer items in CWH, maybe just adena but no items... so you gotta empty it or the items get deleted. The guard units, clan skills, and so forth were part of the process of LEVELING and RAISING the clan, its what took so much effort by all clans to do, those would obviously xfer... thats the whole point of it.
NCsoft is making L2 more clan dependent, by increasing the size of clans, and yet here they are forcing the large clans that are obviously transferring because people been waiting for it for years, to have nothing.
I do think it's a good idea. But I think it needs to be thought out before it is fully suggested, and that was somewhat the point Wshi made in the initial post.
Would I transfer the Echoes? No. But that's because we, as a whole, are talking only at transferring IN our things from other servers.
If the clan as a whole wanted to transfer? Maybe...
No wonder you went Level 10, or you will the 19th you have announced, hoping to rally for a clan server transfer service and get it pulled over the pixels. On a dead server, level 10 is a rather empty accomplishment.
No wonder you went Level 10, or you will the 19th you have announced, hoping to rally for a clan server transfer service and get it pulled over the pixels. On a dead server, level 10 is a rather empty accomplishment.
Does transferring it to a live server make the accomplishment better?
What good is the accomplishment, if everyone transfers to other servers, leaving a level 10 clan with all the skills and possessions inactive on a dead server....
What good is the accomplishment, if everyone transfers to other servers, leaving a level 10 clan with all the skills and possessions inactive on a dead server....
Indeed... but what if the Level 10 clan is (in whole or in part) responsible for the dead state of the server they want to leave?
They made their bed, now they lie in it, so to speak.
What good is the accomplishment, if everyone transfers to other servers, leaving a level 10 clan with all the skills and possessions inactive on a dead server....
Indeed... but what if the Level 10 clan is (in whole or in part) responsible for the dead state of the server they want to leave?
They made their bed, now they lie in it, so to speak.
well this is my take on it, if they did it once then they are obviously able to do it again... might take awhile but it is doable to remake a lvl 10 clan if they did it once
well this is my take on it, if they did it once then they are obviously able to do it again... might take awhile but it is doable to remake a lvl 10 clan if they did it once
Perhaps. But just perhaps they made their level 10 clan on a server with no competition. Could they do the same on an active server?
well this is my take on it, if they did it once then they are obviously able to do it again... might take awhile but it is doable to remake a lvl 10 clan if they did it once
Considering the vast majority of the reputation points were acquired via a largely uncontested hero competition I wouldn't set it in stone like that.
Yes it is doable but there is a reason they are about to be the first and only lvl 10 clan on any NA server.
They are moving to Bartz, a server with considerably higher competition in Olympiad, they'll not be gaining 20k+ CRP every single month after the move so lvl 8 nvm lvl 10 will be taking longer than it has done this time around.
I don't think Clan transfers are fair, especially high level ones. The advancement of a clan is not something the leader does alone. A lot of clan members contribute to that. So what if a clan leader (and some members maybe) want to move but the rest don't? Isn't it unfair to them? They all put time and effort to help.
I don't think Clan transfers are fair, especially high level ones. The advancement of a clan is not something the leader does alone. A lot of clan members contribute to that. So what if a clan leader (and some members maybe) want to move but the rest don't? Isn't it unfair to them? They all put time and effort to help.
If they wanted to put in the effort and keep the clan, then they woulda lead, the clan leader deserves every single bit he gets, u dont know that until you lead yourself.
NC always strives to consolidate clans into one large entity, they will never transfer clans to different servers. Methinks they banking on those higher level toons to join the allready established clans on the servers they transfer too. Does it suck that you walk away from alot of hard work, yes, but I agree with alot of the other stuff thats been brought up. One poster pointed out that some the larger clans have aided in their own server in "dying". Carebear or not, its a true statement. I still play on my orginal server(in a smaller clan) and will stay here, if they want me to move, they will have to merge servers, and arguably being on Seighardt, I know what a dead server looks like.
Consider this a direct dialogue with Ornery if you will, as head of L2 in NCNA i could see this as making or breaking his job security in that position.
I think NCNA needs to take a minute and take a serious look at what sort of situation they are about to put themselves into with Xfers, they greatly risk destabalizing the player base, and disgruntling the players that have worked for a long time on their servers to raise their clans level for example.
Yes, it might be hard, but when you have mass transfers, like you will soon see, alot of people are going to get frustrated with the service they have received extremely quickly. A clan should be transferrable, you should consider it a priority, it can be as simple as transferring a character I would think, and in all reality the ONLY clans that are gonna be transferred are large, high level clans.
Create clan on new server --> Leave it level 1 --->purchase clan xfer service --> Apply it at account page from Character to new Server.
Same as character transfer, some database clicks.. it should be alot easier, and shouldnt be as much work, its transferring a LVL vs xferring gear, adena, deleteing items, and everything else.
Please use this topic as an opportunity to take some serious consideration into it.
clan transfer service should be paid by the whole clan, not just the clanleader or at least a co funding option where financial strong clanmembers can sponser..