Ok, so what about us who purchased a Server Transfer last week in order to transfer to Teon, but who had to wait til maintenance because of Clan Leading rights or anything else, and now who cant transfer because the transfer to Teon was only available for one week ?
Can we get a refund for our now-useless Server Transfer purchase ?
Honestly, i'm so tired of this game giving me nothing but frustration after frustration, i'd just like a refund so i can then forget about L2, uninstall it for good and go play WOW...
Ok, so what about us who purchased a Server Transfer last week in order to transfer to Teon, but who had to wait til maintenance because of Clan Leading rights or anything else, and now who cant transfer because the transfer to Teon was only available for one week ?
Can we get a refund for our now-useless Server Transfer purchase ?
Honestly, i'm so tired of this game giving me nothing but frustration after frustration, i'd just like a refund so i can then forget about L2, uninstall it for good and go play WOW...
I dont understand your logic.....
You fully understood Teon wasnt going to be open for long, as it had been originally closed, then open for like 6 days, and closed again....
You fully understood Teon wasnt going to be open for long
Yes of course, but i never thought it would be only open for one week, with the system they put in place in which you also have to wait for one week for a lot of things (Clan Leader rights, dissolving a Clan, ...) that are required to transfer...
I dont understand their logic...
Yes i saw that, but me & a lot of other ppl just couldnt go through the transfer process because of Clan stuff, that, once again, take one week to complete...
So how can you possibly ask us to wait for one week for these Clan things to complete, and in the same time close the server after only one week ???
And dont tell me "you should have planned in advance", they told us in advance that Transfer to Teon was not gonna be available, and then when they told us it was gonna be available after all, we didnt have time to plan anything because they closed it just one week after that...
Nope, you cant have it because I want it. I made alts on all the servers just for things like this. After I get all of the toddlers stuff, then I can transfer it to my server. I love impatience, it makes people rich :D
Grazzt, how did you purchase it? My ex-clan leader couldn't purchase it because he had to change clan leadership and wait until today for it to take effect, so now he's SOL. this is why, since it was NCSoft rules that prevented him from applying, that the Clan Leaders should get a special dispensation from the rules... Now his clan has gone to Teon, and he can't go? no no no. That doesn't work at all.
Knowing Grazzt he didn't even look into it--he just blundered ahead with no thought and when it didn't turn out his way he decided to whine and cry again.
It's always SOMEBODY'S fault in the Grazzt-world. Not his. 3 months everyone who ever logged into this forum knew server transfers were coming "sometime in February 2008" but did he transfer clan lead (or drop it) in Dec, Jan, or first part of February? Nope.
So NCSoft sucks, of course.
Jesus--just go to wow and for Christ's sakes STOP whining!
The line for the 'chronically injured headed to WoW' forms at the right....bye.
Grazzt, how did you purchase it? My ex-clan leader couldn't purchase it because he had to change clan leadership and wait until today for it to take effect, so now he's SOL. this is why, since it was NCSoft rules that prevented him from applying, that the Clan Leaders should get a special dispensation from the rules... Now his clan has gone to Teon, and he can't go? no no no. That doesn't work at all.
Well, i purchased it because i thought i could apply it on the website, and at the same time get back in game, ask for Clan Leading transfer, and everything would take effect during next maintenance.
That's actually what Alyra implied (or so i thought) when she said that they had to test this service longer than expected because of problems that could happen during maintenantce with ppl that were "still tagged"... So yeah, to me at that time it meant that you could apply for Server Transfer even if you were still tagged.
Anyway, i agree with you, purchased or not purchased, this a very very bad things for Clan Leaders who wished to transfer to Teon...
And i'm just tired of very very bad things coming from L2...
Or just take it to support and see if they will make allowances. IF THEY DO (BIG IF) don't be going and filling everyone in on it... as that will lead to, to many wanting special treatment.
I must say tho, that as a guild leader you took a huge gamble here. .... and I find it hard to believe that you didn't realize it. Everyone I've spoken with this past week realized that the window of oportunity for moving to Teon would be very small.
Well, i'm not asking for a special treatment only for myself, as this is the General Discussion board i'm just talking about (yet another) screwed-up feature for all Clan leaders who had to wait one week and now who cant transfer to the server they'd like to transfer to...
And, i'm gonna repeat this once again for the mentally-challenged ppl like Drakkos who apparently arent capable of reading, we couldnt plan this in advance in December or January because at that time transfer to Teon was supposed to be unavailable...
It was only because they gave no warning, just made the transfers available... and not even allowing for the time to transfer leadership. imo, they need to give them dispensation and move them to server of their choice.
Drakkos, can you stop posting ?
No one cares about what you have to say, so please go back playing with the other little kiddies and let us grown-ups have a real conversation.
And you wonder why Spud and you got pked all the time on your server ? I dont :p
(oh well, i've got an idea for my remaining month of subscription : instead of wanting to transfer to Teon, maybe i could transfer some of my toons to Lionna, join one of the big clans left there, level very fast and do the same, at least i'll have some fun and you'll have some reasons for whining about the "ubers" like you always do :D)
So why did you have to wait a week anyway? (sorry I don't run our guild Ashane does so this might be a stupid question)
Because, if you're a Clan leader, you have to wait one week in order to transfer your Clan leading rights to someone else, then be able to leave the Clan.
Or, if you want to dissolve your Clan, you also have to wait one week.
Hence the problem with Teon being closed after only one week :p
100% agree here. As comunity leaders you folks know the in's and outs. You can come and take your "issue" up here on the forums to have it picked apart by other's (or garner support) but in the end ...
Sorry sonny-boy, you have it wrong.
I've never been pk'd on my main on Lionna. You have me confused with someone else. There's nothing wrong with my reputation in the game or on the forums.
As for your leveling to come onto Lionna--bring it on. You've never managed to accomplish anything else in L2 so I'm not overly worried. I noticed you indicated you'd have to join a big alliance to have me pk'd.
Now THAT is a man's threat--lol.
And for the record--the name calling started on your end so I assumed that's how you understood things most easily.
I hate to say it Grazzt, but I don't suspect you'll be that missed.
Noone will be that missed Jay, not me of course, and not even you.
There's a sentence i love, by a great French leader (General De Gaulle) : "cemetaries are filled up with indispensable people"...
That's just the thing: There are people that are missed that much.
No, it's the exact opposite !
Maybe the translation doesnt turn this sentence right, but what it means is that ppl who think they are indispensable, who think they're gonna be so missed, all end up in cemetaries in the end, and other ppl take their place, and the earth keeps on turning nevertheless, so noone is that important...
And certainly not in a no-life pixel-animated nearly-ending computer game :)
Woah...
Can you people read ?
Server Transfers were known to begin in February, with the exception of Teon which was supposed to be unavailable...
If Teon was supposed to be available, i'm not that stupid, thank you, i would have prepared myself like everyone else...
And there are many people that I miss very much. And that others in the clan miss quite a lot.
But you know what? There are others that have left that, while I remember them, I don't really miss them. They've gone on to other clans, or other games, or just dropped off the face of the planet.
Check out the "Splatter hurt but Okay" thread in off-topics.
When Jute was gone the forum community certainly was less.
There are some who would argue Darkmotion is missed (okay-not me, but I'll bet many would).
If Sovrath didn't post anymore I would certainly miss his wisdom...and jkoster has always been a fun and at the same time steady, wise voice.
Turalyon teaches me more about my class than just about anyone although there are a number of really knowledgeable tanks I would miss hearing from.
Ellie and Maline know as much about L2 as just about anyone.
I'd miss Charmille and Listof since they are the two that make me think and re-examine my own biases and perspective the most.
"And Physics4ever is my hero in everything L2 and it would crush me if there were no more words of wisdom and fun between us"
I think there are a number of folks who would be missed.
The people I've listed here right off the top of my head would be missed by many--and there are many I haven't added.
When we turn to the game/server--there have been dozens who were missed on Lionna. And we're going to genuinely regret the loss of some number of those set to transfer too.
Edit to include Ashane as the person who most often tells me I'm wrong.
TheObserver for person who most often makes me laugh.
Spud for the person who most often makes me admire his courage.
......and everyone else I've read religiously, argued with, joked with, and for the ones who have patiently taught me things that I never said anything back to.
....hopefully that will cover more folks (lol--I was just using EXAMPLES).
Check out the "Splatter hurt but Okay" thread in off-topics.
When Jute was gone the forum community certainly was less.
There are some who would argue Darkmotion is missed (okay-not me, but I'll bet many would).
If Sovrath didn't post anymore I would certainly miss his wisdom...and jkoster has always been a fun and at the same time steady, wise voice.
Turalyon teaches me more about my class than just about anyone although there are a number of really knowledgeable tanks I would miss hearing from.
Ellie and Maline know as much about L2 as just about anyone.
I'd miss Charmille and Listof since they are the two that make me think and re-examine my own biases and perspective the most.
I think there are a number of folks who would be missed.
The people I've listed here right off the top of my head would be missed by many--and there are many I haven't added.
When we turn to the game/server--there have been dozens who were missed on Lionna. And we're going to genuinely regret the loss of some number of those set to transfer too.
You jerk, i have like 3500 posts, obviously i'm here all the time. I'm going to have to start pking you like you're spudnik.
So why did you have to wait a week anyway? (sorry I don't run our guild Ashane does so this might be a stupid question)
Cant you just dissolve the guild? Or passing it off to someone else takes a week ? <unsure here>
Probably because I'm not a [censored] Kali and knew when transfers would be coming and was prepared.
Seriously, everyone KNEW they were coming IN FEB. Its your OWN fault if you werent ready.
I let my clan know well ahead of time.. Teon and Franz would be going off limits. Bartz likely would as well. If you wanted to transfer, be PREPARED in ADVANCED and watch the forums like a freaking hawk so you can get in immediately.
You had plenty of warning. Your own fault frankly. Dont take this as me supporting NCSoft.. since my opinions on this company are well known. Its more just being smart about it yourself.
I'v not yet been subjected to the Spud treatment and want to steer clear of it if possible for a few more levels. 66 is right around the corner and I have a chance of hitting 70 (finally) sometime before I actually die.
*GASP* jkoster being mean for no reason! Who woulda thunk it? :eek:
Seriously, most everyone would be missed by someone. There are tons of people who used to play this game that I miss. I might be the only person who even remembers them, but you can't say they aren't missed.
Anyway...
I believe that they should make an exception for clan leaders. I mean, a few players here and there aren't gonna crash the server.
Some of you seem to have been totally oblivious to what was happening these past 2 weeks (in both this thread and the other thread on the same topic) and are saying that these clan leaders should have "prepared". Obviously your memory is a bit faulty because NCsoft didn't give them any time to prepare.
Around CT1 release: They announced server transfers were coming.
Wed. Feb. 6th: They announced details about server transfers (including the fact that you'd have to drop clan), but said Teon would be closed.
Wed. Feb. 13th: They opened Teon up for transfers.
Tues. Feb. 19th: Teon/Franz closed.
So basically, these clan leaders had only ONE maintenance period in which they could transfer clan leadership - during which time Teon was closed, with no word from NCsoft giving them hope that it would ever be open.
Many people did not want to go to Franz and I can understand how they might have been wary of transferring their clan's leadership when they were indecisive about where to go (since Teon was closed). But as I said, there was only one maintenance period during which time they could have transfered leadership. So they wait a few days, trying to figure out what to do and BOOM, too late. (And it takes 7 days to dissolve a clan as well, so Wed. + 7 days = tomorrow.)
What sucks is that there are clan leaders who are now stuck on empty servers, alone, while all their clan members were able to transfer to Teon.
What sucks more is that most of them would have been happy to go to the new server but now their clannies are stuck on teon for 6 months unless NC decided to give those folks a second chance.
Yeah, and that sucks. Clan Leaders are important. They lead the clan for a reason... to be without them just totally sucks. I'm sorry, that's the only word I know to describe it... and I'm going to a different server than Maurin, but I know the other BWs will sorely miss his leadership, let alone how it is awful that he is stuck on Lionna with most of his clan gone. It needs to be fixed.
To the OP: you still can transfer wherever you wish beside teon and franz so stop crying. Yes, life is cruel. Sometimes sh*t happens. No one promised the opposite. :)
Around CT1 release: They announced server transfers were coming.
Wed. Feb. 6th: They announced details about server transfers (including the fact that you'd have to drop clan), but said Teon would be closed.
Wed. Feb. 13th: They opened Teon up for transfers.
Tues. Feb. 19th: Teon/Franz closed.
TBH your timetable is rather...oh hell I dont know how to say it.
Anyone with half a clue realized you would not be able to transfer tagged. That would make the database transfer alot harder.
I'm sorry if some people just didnt think ahead.. although frankly from all I've spoken too (which is at least 9 full guilds), they ALL were prepared well in advance. Had clan leadership xfered to a Alt, had all stuff sold except for what they were wearing, etc.
Its your fault if you werent ready. Its your fault if you didnt do the research. Bottom line.
TBH your timetable is rather...oh hell I dont know how to say it.
My timetable is what? Accurate? It's based off of the actual post dates by HGMSpam.
I understand what you're saying about knowing that you'd have to be untagged to transfer, but since Teon was supposedly unavailable, they can't be called stupid for not untagging when they had no plans to transfer.
Not for nothing, but if a clan as a whole intends on moving to another server the leader should have been prepared.
Clan leadership could have easily been transfered to an alt, weeks ago.
And if transfers didnt come about, leadership could have just as easily been transfered back from the alt.
No offense meant here but you need to take some responsibility for being unprepared.
TBH your timetable is rather...oh hell I dont know how to say it.
My timetable is what? Accurate? It's based off of the actual post dates by HGMSpam.
I understand what you're saying about knowing that you'd have to be untagged to transfer, but since Teon was supposedly unavailable, they can't be called stupid for not untagging when they had no plans to transfer.
Sure they are accurate, but they dont reflect the actual posts by players and others who KNEW how this was going to go down.
What harm would it have done to xfer leadership over to a alt for a few weeks? None. Why didnt you? You were lazy.
Grazzt, how did you purchase it? My ex-clan leader couldn't purchase it because he had to change clan leadership and wait until today for it to take effect, so now he's SOL. this is why, since it was NCSoft rules that prevented him from applying, that the Clan Leaders should get a special dispensation from the rules... Now his clan has gone to Teon, and he can't go? no no no. That doesn't work at all.
You went from a strange painting, to a kamael, to a box?
What harm would it have done to xfer leadership over to a alt for a few weeks? None. Why didnt you? You were lazy.
Again... I'm not a clan leader, so there was no laziness on my part. Thanks.
(But I do disagree w/ your statement.)
I say to everyone worried about Teon/Franz being closed to just wait and see what happens. I present the following:
"The server transfers to Teon and Franz this week have been so popular that the activity has put both servers near their maximum player capacity. We regret to announce that we will be suspending both of these servers as available transfer locations for the time being. (All server transfer purchases to Teon and Franz that were made prior to 5:30 PM Central Time today will go through.) Please keep in mind that this does not necessarily mean that Teon and Franz will be forever closed off to transfers. This also doesn’t affect the gender change, name change, and character server transfer services on and to the rest of our servers."
Because they do not want you transfering clans to other servers otherwise they would of made that possible they want you to join existing clans on the servers your moving to.
And here is a radical idea if your such an important clan leader, why wouldn't your clannies wait till you were ready to move to make the move with you?
I know when there core group of my clannies will probably stick with me till the end of l2 and move games with us when the day the doors close here or something actually better does come out.
You should be yelling at your clannies not at ncsoft. They warned you that Teon and Franz had very limited space and almost didnt allow the people who transfered to the servers today there. So why would you think it be there in 2 weeks?
I'm Horde on Twilight's Hammer. No horrible grind, PvP for fun, no big cross-faction ego/emo wars and CS that is actually visible by it's actions. Oh, and a complete server transfer service that is even free sometimes. And guess what, you don't need to run an army of buffers just to XP. I now play one PC instead of three, it's so relaxing. :)
Umm you guys are making no sense ... server transfer specifics were announced last week, nobody knew for a fact they had to be untagged to transfer ... everybody can untag in 5 seconds except the clan leader.
So aside from fanboism nothing supports the whole "you should have been prepared" thing ... Personally i feel for people that got left behind when their whole clan moved simply because of a technicality ... fair way to do things, since ncsoft probably knew teon/franz would close off, would have been to take servers down on monday, process all clan transfer requests/unhero requests THEN give people a day to do their transfers ....
PS no I have no personal interest in this, I play in one of the closed servers
you knew for almost 3 weeks you couldnt be a hero or clan leader, and common sense would tell you you had to be.
I mean it does not take a genius to figure out you cannot be a clan leader and transfer your toons causing a server crash because a clan needs to have a leader to exist.
I swear sometimes people forget to log in with their brains sometimes.
I requested twice a short server restart so that the problem
with the clan leading is solved. Instead of that I got a mail by
Alyra that told me explicitely that Teon wouldn't be closed this
week and waiting shouldn't be a problem. That's why i'm
strongly critizing the whole story.
Personally it sucks but [censored] happens and for me it's not such a
problem because i transfered 2,7b and 2 of my Epics to Teon
on toons of my clannies. I even can play an almost same toon:
Archmage L78/ES L78
I knew very well I need to transfer the leadership but in a pvp
clan you think twice about it before you do it.
Signing up for fortresses, x-times access to the cwh each day
and so on. It's a pain to do all this with an alt.
Nevertheless it's ******ed how some ppl play captain obvious.
NCSoft messed up almost everything or do you think that 14
hours downtime was planned ?
Umm you guys are making no sense ... server transfer specifics were announced last week, nobody knew for a fact they had to be untagged to transfer ... everybody can untag in 5 seconds except the clan leader.
Quit being a Noob. Fact of the matter is, you can't even delete a Char when it's tagged. Why in the hell would you/anyone assume that anything would be different with transfers?
Cause no one from NCSOFT had the sense to say
"Hey guys transfers will be available from Feb 13th"
instead they went with "transfers will be available soon(TM)"
and "we ll tell you transfer conditions soon(tm)"
Then within a week transfer conditions were announced, transfers started and 2 servers closed
Come and play Euro-WoW.
I'm Horde on Twilight's Hammer. No horrible grind, PvP for fun, no big cross-faction ego/emo wars and CS that is actually visible by it's actions. Oh, and a complete server transfer service that is even free sometimes. And guess what, you don't need to run an army of buffers just to XP. I now play one PC instead of three, it's so relaxing. :)
Trying the 10-day free trial right as we speak, and kinda enjoying it so far :p
And, judging form the hordes of ppl i see in the noobs areas, it seems like i'm far from being the only one :)
No they won't, and people wouldn't want them to either.
I mean think about it, with all the people doing the transfers to Teon/Franz especially, they gonna need all the 'help' they can get :p
So aside from fanboism nothing supports the whole "you should have been prepared" thing ... Personally i feel for people that got left behind when their whole clan moved simply because of a technicality ... fair way to do things, since ncsoft probably knew teon/franz would close off, would have been to take servers down on monday, process all clan transfer requests/unhero requests THEN give people a day to do their transfers ....
I got called a fanboy, awesome! :)
Sorry, your all just being entirely stupid.
If you had sat and thought about it for even half a freaking second, you'd have realized "Hey, I need to be untagged.. oh [censored], I have a clan, WHAT DO I DOOOOOOOO?!!?!".
If you had sat and thought about it for even half a freaking second, you'd have realized "Hey, I need to be untagged.. oh [censored], I have a clan, WHAT DO I DOOOOOOOO?!!?!".
You're the one being stupid here (ahhh it feels so good to disagree with you again, that whole "Grazzt and Ashane agree on how NCNA sucks" was just some kind of alternate universe thing i guess :p)
What you (and some others) still dont realize even though we've tried to explain it in every possible way is that TRANSFER TO TEON WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE AVAILABLE.
So, for all of us Clan Leaders who first had wished to transfer to Teon, we didnt need to untag or anything as we were not going to transfer (hence the part where we agreed on how NCNA sucks :)).
And then, when and only when Server Transfers went live, they told us that in the end Teon was open and we could actually transfer !
So that's when we started untagging and preparing for transfer, but it was too late cos Teon was closed right after the first maintenance where we could lose our tag.
I really dont know how to explain it any more than this...
Hate ?
I dont see any hate...
I do not take any of this seriously, in the end we're only talking about a freakin video game that's just a small insignificant fraction of our lives !
And i sure hope the other posters dont take it seriously neither, or else it would be really sad...
But, once again, thank me for yet another very successful thread where all the fanboys can get their post count up by saying "you're so stupid and NCSoft is so right about everything, go play WOW and leave us on our dying server in this dying game" :cool:
its cause some of these people will fight tooth and nail to defend NCNA's good (heh) name, no matter if they're right or wrong...and most of them are packed into this one thread.
Grazzt has a valid point and I don't see how he could possibly explain it any better than he has, but it seems that some people still can't figure it out.
its cause some of these people will fight tooth and nail to defend NCNA's good (heh) name, no matter if they're right or wrong...and most of them are packed into this one thread.
Grazzt has a valid point and I don't see how he could possibly explain it any better than he has, but it seems that some people still can't figure it out.
Yeah, because Charm and I are SOOO pro NCSoft.
Freaking moron.
Even knowing Teon went live for transfers, you STILL had enough time unless you decided "Hey, I'm not going to check the boards for 3 days..".
its cause some of these people will fight tooth and nail to defend NCNA's good (heh) name, no matter if they're right or wrong...and most of them are packed into this one thread.
Grazzt has a valid point and I don't see how he could possibly explain it any better than he has, but it seems that some people still can't figure it out.
Yeah, because Charm and I are SOOO pro NCSoft.
Freaking moron.
Even knowing Teon went live for transfers, you STILL had enough time unless you decided "Hey, I'm not going to check the boards for 3 days..".
Your. Own. ****. Fault.
Stop being an idiot and open your **** eyes. Learn to read ffs.
Not to mention I didn't name you or Charmille, but you obviously knew who I was talking about, didn't you? Stop being so stubborn and defending their poor decisions. They said one thing and did another, and that's his fault how, exactly?
Stop being an idiot and open your **** eyes. Learn to read ffs.
Not to mention I didn't name you or Charmille, but you obviously knew who I was talking about, didn't you? Stop being so stubborn and defending their poor decisions. They said one thing and did another, and that's his fault how, exactly?
THEY didnt say anything. THEY never said TEON was closed. Unless you can find me a post by Alyra or any of the team saying it would be?
You cant, because ANYONE who PM'ed Alyra KNEW it was going to be open.
BunchaGuys: "This server kinda sucks, we've done just about everything and killed/get killed by just about everyone, let's all switch servers. They say they'll be available sometime before Christmas of 2010."
Clan Leader of BunchaGuys: "Sounds good. Let's pull all the stuff out of the CWH and liquidate it, and divvy the adena amongst the lot of us so we can carry it all. I'm going to transfer CL to BunchaGuysAlt_01 today, so I can make the jump the following week, if they're ready that soon. If not, we'll just keep BGA_01 as the leader toon, and jump when we can.
Smithy, put S gear on all the alts that are jumping, sell the rest. The rest of you lot gather up as many of the UberQuest Drops as you can in the meantime."
How Noobs do Server Transfer:
BunchaGuys: "Server Transfers tomorrow! OMG OMG OMG! Sell my stuff! Trade my adena! Crap! Drop my clan!"
ClanLeader of BunchaGuys: "But, wait, what? Why didn't you tell me they had server transfers ready for tomorrow?! I need to pack! Get my hair done! Walk the dog! Dissolve the clan! wait! Dissolve the clan! Crap! That takes a week! Oh, why didn't I have BunchaGuysAlt_01 made leader-toon six months ago? Why? WHY!?"
I just have to chime in here and say my piece. The details of transfers were announced 2/06/08 in This Thread (http://boards.lineage2.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=1028824&an=0&page=1#Post 1028824) . It specifically said Teon would not be available for transfer at this time. Wich means, it will be available later. Then they announced it would be open about a week later.
While I think they could have planned it better, and on the surface, it seems like they screwed the pooch so to speak; I really think it will pan itself out, they WILL open Teon again once the initial dust settles, and the people complaining will be satiated.
So, i'd say you guys can quit with the doomsday, "oh woe is me" posts and prepare for the next transfer batch.
Knowing Grazzt he didn't even look into it--he just blundered ahead with no thought and when it didn't turn out his way he decided to whine and cry again.
It's always SOMEBODY'S fault in the Grazzt-world. Not his. 3 months everyone who ever logged into this forum knew server transfers were coming "sometime in February 2008" but did he transfer clan lead (or drop it) in Dec, Jan, or first part of February? Nope.
So NCSoft sucks, of course.
Jesus--just go to wow and for Christ's sakes STOP whining!
The line for the 'chronically injured headed to WoW' forms at the right....bye.
Have you seen WOW forums they Wine QQ and put up a fuss just as much as the cry babies here. What I find is the biggest problem with people is they complain about information and then when given the information they don't even read it.
Hey I have a lvl 61 Glad on Teon havent played him since C3. If someone can get NcSoft to do it Ill give up my spot on there for them to move to Teon. I just want him on Devianne but im tooooooooo cheap to pay for the move LOL.
Grazzt,
Why make this thread? If you want a refund, email support or call NC and ask for one.
Almost every post you make recently sounds like a five year old girl crying and stamping her feet to try and get what she wants. Do you really expect to get results like that?
But, once again, thank me for yet another very successful thread where all the fanboys can get their post count up by saying "you're so stupid and NCSoft is so right about everything, go play WOW and leave us on our dying server in this dying game" :cool:
1) you're the one who made this useless thread and are posting on almost every page
2) you're the one who keeps bringing up WoW and how you want to go there
3) whether you are correct or not, you probably shouldn't talk about whether a server is dying or not, since you never really contributed to the life of the server you are on (except in RP perhaps, I don't know)
Serieux, arrete le ouin-ouin mec et fais des critiques *constructives*.
edit: by the way, remember Teon isn't closed forever. People may quit or go to the new euro server when it comes, etc, thus making it free to transfer again. And ofc there is the new euro server which you now have ample time to prepare to transfer to ^^
Almost every post you make recently sounds like a five year old girl crying and stamping her feet to try and get what she wants. Do you really expect to get results like that?
It what he does. When he gets called on it he says something like "oh, I'm just laughing here at all of you" or calls everyone fanbois. Rinse, repeat.
He's the current Grumpy0dorf, if anyone remembers that moron.
Knowing Grazzt he didn't even look into it--he just blundered ahead with no thought and when it didn't turn out his way he decided to whine and cry again.
It's always SOMEBODY'S fault in the Grazzt-world. Not his. 3 months everyone who ever logged into this forum knew server transfers were coming "sometime in February 2008" but did he transfer clan lead (or drop it) in Dec, Jan, or first part of February? Nope.
So NCSoft sucks, of course.
Jesus--just go to wow and for Christ's sakes STOP whining!
The line for the 'chronically injured headed to WoW' forms at the right....bye.
Have you seen WOW forums they Wine QQ and put up a fuss just as much as the cry babies here. What I find is the biggest problem with people is they complain about information and then when given the information they don't even read it.
Why would he transfer clan leadership in Dec, Jan or Feb if he thought the server he wanted wasn't going to be available? Contrary to the tripe that Ashane spews, they did indeed announce that Teon was unavailable, the link is in Pop's post. Although at the time it wasn't stated, NC's trademarked "soon" statements can drag on for years. They're notorious for never giving concrete information or solid deadlines..I wouldn't have transferred leadership either, until I was certain about a timeframe, which leads to my next point:
Why do anything on an "assumption" when it comes to NCSoft? We all know how that works, at least those of us that aren't blinded with fanboy-like love for NCNA.
what REASON do you have to believe you can transfer your toon WITH a clan? what the F___ happens to everyone ELSE in the clan that doesnt want to move?
Why would he transfer clan leadership in Dec, Jan or Feb if he thought the server he wanted wasn't going to be available? Contrary to the tripe that Ashane spews, they did indeed announce that Teon was unavailable, the link is in Pop's post. Although at the time it wasn't stated, NC's trademarked "soon" statements can drag on for years. They're notorious for never giving concrete information or solid deadlines..I wouldn't have transferred leadership either, until I was certain about a timeframe, which leads to my next point:
Why do anything on an "assumption" when it comes to NCSoft? We all know how that works, at least those of us that aren't blinded with fanboy-like love for NCNA.
You need engrish lessons if you think what was posted in that link meant teon woudnt be open for transfer.
Why woudnt you transfer leadership? Especially in Grazzt's case. Hes NOT a PvP clan. Hes NOT in any sieges or fortress sieges, etc. He DOSENT own a clan hall. Hell, I dont think his clan is even level 6.
A clan like Blue Wolves (who posted here earlier in thread) is a little bigger of a issue, since they are active in all of the above. However, you've still got how many clans that did it just fine.
If its only a issue for 2-3 clans, and 20-30+ did it just fine, some of which even revoked HERO's for god sakes... dont you think your whining just a tad too much?
Ok, so what about us who purchased a Server Transfer last week in order to transfer to Teon, but who had to wait til maintenance because of Clan Leading rights or anything else, and now who cant transfer because the transfer to Teon was only available for one week ?
Can we get a refund for our now-useless Server Transfer purchase ?
Honestly, i'm so tired of this game giving me nothing but frustration after frustration, i'd just like a refund so i can then forget about L2, uninstall it for good and go play WOW...
really you dropped the ball here man, nothing stopped you from transferring leadership you an alt on your acct until you knew for sure or not whether you would be able to xfer to teon. if you blame anyone start with yourself...
Why would he transfer clan leadership in Dec, Jan or Feb if he thought the server he wanted wasn't going to be available? Contrary to the tripe that Ashane spews, they did indeed announce that Teon was unavailable, the link is in Pop's post. Although at the time it wasn't stated, NC's trademarked "soon" statements can drag on for years. They're notorious for never giving concrete information or solid deadlines..I wouldn't have transferred leadership either, until I was certain about a timeframe, which leads to my next point:
Why do anything on an "assumption" when it comes to NCSoft? We all know how that works, at least those of us that aren't blinded with fanboy-like love for NCNA.
You need engrish lessons if you think what was posted in that link meant teon woudnt be open for transfer.
Why woudnt you transfer leadership? Especially in Grazzt's case. Hes NOT a PvP clan. Hes NOT in any sieges or fortress sieges, etc. He DOSENT own a clan hall. Hell, I dont think his clan is even level 6.
A clan like Blue Wolves (who posted here earlier in thread) is a little bigger of a issue, since they are active in all of the above. However, you've still got how many clans that did it just fine.
If its only a issue for 2-3 clans, and 20-30+ did it just fine, some of which even revoked HERO's for god sakes... dont you think your whining just a tad too much?
I'm not whining at all, and I think there's different ways he could've handled it. But I also think that NC is party to blame for lack of communication and solid deadlines. However some of you will jump all over anybody that dares to make any derogatory comments towards NCNA, when, truth be told, they could have handled it alot better than they did.
The link he provided is a thread that linked to the availability page, which at that time listed Teon as unavailable.
I'm not whining at all, and I think there's different ways he could've handled it. But I also think that NC is party to blame for lack of communication and solid deadlines. However some of you will jump all over anybody that dares to make any derogatory comments towards NCNA, when, truth be told, they could have handled it alot better than they did.
The link he provided is a thread that linked to the availability page, which at that time listed Teon as unavailable.
Could it have been done better? Far better. Hell, could have been done 3 years ago. That would have rocked. Wasnt though, sucks, but really we all know NCSoft NA is a screw up of a company.
That page was wrote by a web designer.. period. No one of any official capacity did that. All it took was a simple PM to Alyra and you'd have gotten your answer.. or ask anyone who PMed her.
Heck, they were even giving out the info via support when they were revoking Hero status for players... another thing they said they woudnt do, but of course they'll do it. (A simple email, again.. easy)
You can only blame NCSoft so far. Certain things are players just being downright lazy.
but exactly there is a part of the problem - that's a part of an email :
"You will need to wait until clan leadership passes on to the person you chose before you will be able to transfer servers. (It's only one week, right?) I don't think you need to worry about Teon closing right away. We will be announcing something later today that will explain why (sorry to be so cryptic, but the announcement isn't prepared yet). "
Three days later they do the complete opposite. But like i said
i critisize the whole story. I only hope one day to transfer my
real own main to Teon. It's abit odd to play a human mystic
suddenly - lol
Anyways it could have been done much better and noone can
decline this. I think we can all agree about this.
When he gets called on it he says something like "oh, I'm just laughing here at all of you"
I am. Indeed. Very hard.
Especially at Spud and Drakkos and how they take everything so seriously and personal and think their opinions have the slightiest importance to me, and dont even realize anymore that this is a game and i couldnt care less about all this.
Thanx dudes, you really make my day, i'm not gonna say "QQ more", i'm gonna say "post more" :D
And all the haters like you, plz do the same, i'm really enjoying it, it's a nice and healthy break from work :)
I am. Indeed. Very hard.
Especially at Spud and Drakkos and how they take everything so seriously and personal and think their opinions have the slightiest importance to me, and dont even realize anymore that this is a game and i couldnt care less about all this.
Thanx dudes, you really make my day, i'm not gonna say "QQ more", i'm gonna say "post more"
And all the haters like you, plz do the same, i'm really enjoying it, it's a nice and healthy break from work
All the smilies in the world won't hide the fact that you're extremely butthurt over the situation and need to rant on the boards.
Some people made it, some people didn't. In the grand scheme of thing, the level 55 no-name guy with 30 mil in stuff transferring him and his wife's character to Teon is no different than the level 7x/7x/7x with eleventy billion adena, ten epics, ninty thousand PVPs and a million PKs with a storage alt for all the rest of his junk... it's all subscriptions. Both of these players are worth $15 a month per account to NCSoft.
Thus, those who were prepared, those who had their eggs placed within a wicker hemisphere and ducks evenly distributed in a linear fashion when the call came got to move first.
Those CLs who took the leap of faith and got the "just in case" aspects taken care of first got to move.
Some clans were broken up over the transfers, some weren't. This was something we talked about in the dozens of threads leading up to this point.
Moreso, Teon had *long* been hailed as one of the most populated servers in the game. Did you really think there was going to be room for all of you?
Grazzt--you've made your baseless point 10 times. It isn't getting better with age.
It's not necessary to repeat it because we all understood you the first time. We don't need to have our thinking adjusted--you're just wrong.
TOON #1 on account xxx is slated to transfer in your little heart to good ol' Teon.
Toon's # 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 are staying on Lionna. You couldn't figure out ANY mechanism with your legions of in-game friends to get that clan to any of those other toons before February?
I know--I know, you misread the post and told yourself Teon was unavailable so you sat around and did....nothing.
That STILL isn't an example of NCSoft sucking. It just shows you're lazy.
As much as I love pointing out how you're a tool--let's actually suspend that a moment and look at the facts.
"Somehow" very high players with massive clans transferred TO Teon. That INCLUDES clanleaders. "Somehow" someone was ABLE to actually do it--so it was demonstrably POSSIBLE.
You couldn't carry it off--but a whole lot of people did.
How do you suppose they accomplished that?
Don't misunderstand, NCSoft DID screw the pooch all over this server transfer and they get a failing grade for their performance.
But that isn't demonstrated by your post. All your post shows is that you don't take any responsibility for accomplishing anything.
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but before the transfer service went live, the actual PlayNC site listed it as closed, when you logged into your PlayNC account.
I don't think it had anything to do with misreading a post.
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but before the transfer service went live, the actual PlayNC site listed it as closed, when you logged into your PlayNC account.
I don't think it had anything to do with misreading a post.
Right, but if you read the actual post made on the subject, it says no where that Teon will be closed for Transfer.
Also, a simple email to [email protected] would have given you the answer.. that teon would be open. A simple PM would have given you the answer too.
However, its far easier to go "Teon's closed.. " and start a thread b*tching and moaning about it, then prepare and follow up.
I got the answer that Teon will be opened like 2 hours before
they announced it and my ticket was there for almost a week.
The only thing that ****** off me was the part of the mail,
I posted prior.
Also there was like let's say 9 clans active in pvp etc.
5 of them had no intension to move - still more Pve clans
1 - a small clan - was always leaded by an alt.
LP planned for Bartz.
MO & BW planned for euro. And exactly these 2 clans face this problem now.
Beside I agree that neutrals shouldn't complain about it.
Yeah I agree, it was toughest on the top PvP clans.
Not only did you need to get hero's revoked which took a bit, but then xfer leadership and liquidate literally a WH full of equipment or xfer it over on the first wave.
Grazzt really didnt have to do anything like a BW or LP or other top clan had to do and has no real right to complain.
Only thing I can say is that I know they are stepping up their farmer control and trying to free up more spots on Teon and Franz, so dont lose hope yet ;P
Here is where they really [Censored] up a way to make more money.
So.. either you have been playing on Franz/Teon, or just was able to get a transfer. And now you want to bring over another toon, lets say you favorite little BH and you like to run around on and spoil/manor with once in a while. Currently you are unable to do so. lets just say that 500 people wanted to do that - that would be an additional $25,000.00 in the bank for NC and it would not change the "foot print" of the account in anyway. But you can just remake the toon all over again on the same account. Here is where they really messed up.
Let say tonight, instead of playing my main, I would like to play a dorf from another server - so if I could bring him over on a server that I am already playing on, it would not make a difference, since I already have a bunch of toons on Franz or Teon AND NC can make another $50.00 off of me.
Let say tonight, instead of playing my main, I would like to play a dorf from another server - so if I could bring him over on a server that I am already playing on, it would not make a difference, since I already have a bunch of toons on Franz or Teon AND NC can make another $50.00 off of me.
Does that make sence?
Yes, however, they would need to open transfers for -everyone-, not just *your* account or your friends.
Since there is currently no way to selectively open transfers for only people on Teon to Teon, its a pipe dream.
Dealing with reality, if they did open up Teon again currently, you would hit a server full message at prime euro time. Something which would not likely go over well. Hell I bet you hit server full *right now* on the weekends, especially siege weekends.
Ash - I understand what you mean - and no matter how they do it, it will make people mad, but they could also make a bunch of money off us players if someone wanted to bring over not only the 1 toon on this past Tuesday, but the other 5 toons that same player had on the old server.
Ash - I understand what you mean - and no matter how they do it, it will make people mad, but they could also make a bunch of money off us players if someone wanted to bring over not only the 1 toon on this past Tuesday, but the other 5 toons that same player had on the old server.
Just a thought.
Yeah I'd agree.
The wife and I were talking about how much money they made this week and a "lite" estimate put it at close to $500,000. I'd judge it was alot more then that but whatever.
IF there was a way to allow transfers of players already on Teon to Teon from other servers it would work great. The only way I can think of even possibly doing it would be tied directly to PlayNC main account.
Well i am one of the leaders that couldnt transfer clan and transfer to teon in time. The good for me at least is that my clan (core members) w8ed for me so if nc ***** up we would stay all together so 1 clan cant transfer cause of that.
So i would like to recommend how nc could make some spots for some REAL players maybe they could BAN like 500-1000 bots from teon that are all over Catas Woa etc etc so in this way real play would have fun and not be trapped on dead servers ++ NC would get a lot of $$$$ from farmers buying new accounts ^^
Heck, I'd even take the GMs on a tour of le banning if they cant find the bots on their own. Just to get moar live ppl on the server ^^ (more ppl buying the stuff I sell, hoho)
They could free up atleast 500 spots if they hit Varka, Ketra, WoA, HS, Disciples, Forbidden, Saint, Witch etc.
But doing that wouldn't really solve the problem of logging in to a full server... they would just make the new toons and start all over again, still logging in, (because you will still be able to create Teon characters) thereby making the server unavailable to other players when it is full.
I know nothing of setting up or maintaining a server, but it would be sweet if they could increase the capacity.
But doing that wouldn't really solve the problem of logging in to a full server... they would just make the new toons and start all over again, still logging in, (because you will still be able to create Teon characters) thereby making the server unavailable to other players when it is full.
I know nothing of setting up or maintaining a server, but it would be sweet if they could increase the capacity.
same would apply if all of us that cant transfer to teon make new toons on teon or just make some lvl 1 toons and log em just to make server full in order to force nc soft to increase the capacity of the servers
The good for me at least is that my clan (core members) w8ed for me so if nc ***** up we would stay all together
See, here is a clan that cares about each other and actually uses their brains to think and prepare before acting. (Though IG they are evil bad guys who want to kill me omg TT )
GL man, hope transfer will work for you eventually.
Well at the begin is to transfer all mains and pets exept my main cause i was leader in clan and couldnt transfer leadership so if nc soft ****** it up we would be on teon i was going to play a pet(QQ) but at the end we decided to move as a team.
I wanted to chime in and reiterate a couple things. We understand the frustration stemming from those who were unable to transfer to Teon or Franz during the initial transfer period, and the situations for those who were/are clan leaders and heroes. We've stated that this doesn't necessarily mean that Teon and Franz will be closed to transfers for good. We'll be evaluating the performance of these two servers and if everything looks good, we'll open them back up for transfers as early as we are able.
Also, I wanted to address the initial "Teon is closed" rumor that was floating around before server transfers opened. This rumor was based on one of our website pages that is subject to change at any time, which displayed a list that was populated before the service was even available and before we launched the completed server transfer info page. If you look back, we never confirmed or stated that Teon would be closed when the service launched--those were all assumptions.
Assumptions based on NCNA's notorious lack of communication. If an official looking page that requires master account login states that Teon is closed to transfer, what do you think people will assume?
You guys could have gone about this in a much smoother fashion by communicating openly with your players instead of leaving everything up in the air, and then there's no need for assumptions.
Ashane repeatedly brings up that those who pm'd you directly knew the answers..but should we really be required to pm you constantly to get information? Do you want that? Why can't NCNA just communicate, clear the air and solve these problems before they happen?
Assumptions based on NCNA's notorious lack of communication. If an official looking page that requires master account login states that Teon is closed to transfer, what do you think people will assume?
You guys could have gone about this in a much smoother fashion by communicating openly with your players instead of leaving everything up in the air, and then there's no need for assumptions.
Ashane repeatedly brings up that those who pm'd you directly knew the answers..but should we really be required to pm you constantly to get information? Do you want that? Why can't NCNA just communicate, clear the air and solve these problems before they happen?
I absolutely couldnt have said it better.
Not that i really do care anymore anyway, Wrath Of The Lich King FTW :cool:
I wanted to chime in and reiterate a couple things. We understand the frustration stemming from those who were unable to transfer to Teon or Franz during the initial transfer period, and the situations for those who were/are clan leaders and heroes. We've stated that this doesn't necessarily mean that Teon and Franz will be closed to transfers for good. We'll be evaluating the performance of these two servers and if everything looks good, we'll open them back up for transfers as early as we are able.
Also, I wanted to address the initial "Teon is closed" rumor that was floating around before server transfers opened. This rumor was based on one of our website pages that is subject to change at any time, which displayed a list that was populated before the service was even available and before we launched the completed server transfer info page. If you look back, we never confirmed or stated that Teon would be closed when the service launched--those were all assumptions.
So with this post you're saying that Teon might open back up later. Apply the same logic to the original "rumor" that Teon was closed. this could aswell mean that Teon will never ever open up again. Right?
If a webpage that requires master account log-in info and is linked in the Thread as "Click here to see what servers are available" says that Teon is unavailable. Then what the hell do you want people to believe?
If that webpage isn't ready yet, why was it put up in the first place?
If you look back, we never confirmed or stated that Teon would be closed when the service launched--those were all assumptions.
Is this kind of a joke to you then? A cosmic political chess game? This kind of statement usually comes with big corporations who are dealing with the "little guy" or from school Principals to their students. We aren't that. We are your buying public. We deserve straightforward information... not information we have to guess and speculate about. Especially in this area, since it was dearly desired and important to so many of your customers.
I'm sorry if I appear to be a bit short-tempered on this, but this is the very problem with your organization's Public Relations/Customer Service: the lack of appropriate adequate information.
First, you provided that information willingly -- we didn't squeeze it out of you. How else would you have expected anyone to interpret it???
And then you never addressed the concerns people had from reading your own site, so you think your a** is covered...
And then you opened Teon/Franz up for transfers (knowing how many spots were open and how many were applying) without allowing the appropriate preparation time, leaving the clan leaders and heroes at your mercy... ruthless mercy, I might add... Now they have to beg for consideration from you... or be left behind by the clans they have led.
It's really pretty bad customer service, if you ask me.
And then you opened Teon/Franz up for transfers (knowing how many spots were open and how many were applying) without allowing the appropriate preparation time, leaving the clan leaders and heroes at your mercy... ruthless mercy, I might add... Now they have to beg for consideration from you... or be left behind by the clans they have led.
Just to correct, Franz was never shown as closed for Xfer. Only Teon.
Could it have been done better? Sure thing.
Did you have enough time? Yup you still did...barely.
There was no real difference between Franz and Teon anyway. Both have a huge concentration of Russian's, a mix of Euro's and a smattering of US players. Both have botted characters "the norm". Both have one dominate alliance. Both farm the same bosses (- valakas on Franz). Both have the exact same Euro time frame.
If you wanted a Euro server, you would have been prepared anyway because Franz was still open. The opening of Teon was just a bonus. If you purely wanted Teon, then you cant really complain about the Euro servers being closed, because you *just* wanted a single Euro server for some odd reason. (To be with friends already there, or whatever)
Assumptions based on NCNA's notorious lack of communication. If an official looking page that requires master account login states that Teon is closed to transfer, what do you think people will assume?
You guys could have gone about this in a much smoother fashion by communicating openly with your players instead of leaving everything up in the air, and then there's no need for assumptions.
Ashane repeatedly brings up that those who pm'd you directly knew the answers..but should we really be required to pm you constantly to get information? Do you want that? Why can't NCNA just communicate, clear the air and solve these problems before they happen?
I really hate to agree BUT, I think that could not have been stated better.
Alrya & Spam: As it was shown with the Transfers flop, it would be in our best interest to just PM you with our questions instead of info being shared to the whole user base or posting the questions on the message boards. I am not trying to be hateful or make it personal, but this was a HUGE PR flop for NC. When people come on the boards and say "well if you would have only PM'd the GMs or Support, you would have known. You have to admit that you saw the questions comming in, and for what ever reason deciede only to share the info on a 1-on-1 basis instead of posting them on the boards. We all know you both are painfully understaffed but there are somethings that have happened that will drive this game into the ground, and there are a lot of us that do not want to see that happen.
Also, I wanted to address the initial "Teon is closed" rumor that was floating around before server transfers opened. This rumor was based on one of our website pages that is subject to change at any time, which displayed a list that was populated before the service was even available and before we launched the completed server transfer info page. If you look back, we never confirmed or stated that Teon would be closed when the service launched--those were all assumptions.
No, no, no. When my main account page brings up a table stating to me which servers are available for transfers and clearly reads that Teon is NOT available, this is not an assumption. This is a fact.
It also read the table was subject to change at any given time, so I will give you that.
As for not confirming the said table, this is how PRs work, isn't it? Although it seems more like politics to me: we throw the news to check their reactions. If a revolution puts our reign at stake, we step back a bit. :p
for what ever reason deciede only to share the info on a 1-on-1 basis instead of posting them on the boards.
Ever think if they shared that information then Teon would have become way too flooded with people?
Its already full... if they would have let MORE in you coudnt log in to it period. Thats not what players want. Can you even imagine the threads it would generate? Hell, just look at how much uproar it caused on PTS. A live server would be hell.
No i'm not.
And, seriously, i would be very interested (and amused) to see how many customers NCNA actually lost because they put up a new "service" !
That's got to be a new case study in the MMO industry, just like the way SOE screwed up with Star Wars Galaxies when they put up their crappy NGE...
No i'm not.
And, seriously, i would be very interested (and amused) to see how many customers NCNA actually lost because they put up a new "service" !
That's got to be a new case study in the MMO industry, just like SOE screwed up with SWG when they put up their carppy NGE...
Hard to tell, but if you look at the # of accounts logged in over a 24 hour period two weeks ago... vs now... its a net increase of 2,000 +/-.
I'd say they gained customers by transfers. I know a freaking truck load reactivated to go to Bartz. Entire guilds even.
Granted its not scientific, but losing you and your 2 guild members didnt really hurt them very much :)
Are you new? You expected differently from NCSoft?
No, seriously, are you new?
Are you still playing? Are you still paying?
Then NCSoft doesn't care. Why are any of you still surprised at this?
Of course I am still playing - and why do I post somethings, because there is a little part of me that hopes, that just once, they listen to us and make improvements. L2 is great game, one of the better ones out there, just the customer service is not what it could be and has a lot of room to improve.
Assumptions based on NCNA's notorious lack of communication. If an official looking page that requires master account login states that Teon is closed to transfer, what do you think people will assume?
You guys could have gone about this in a much smoother fashion by communicating openly with your players instead of leaving everything up in the air, and then there's no need for assumptions.
Ashane repeatedly brings up that those who pm'd you directly knew the answers..but should we really be required to pm you constantly to get information? Do you want that? Why can't NCNA just communicate, clear the air and solve these problems before they happen?
Because that would be a Full time job and NC is not going staff someone just for that......In fact who would take the Job?
This isn't a personal slight but they must keep her **** busy in the Web Editing job because I see a massive lack of community liaison on these boards of late.
well remember, there are a LOT more NCmoderated boards than Lineage2.
a LOT more websites for NC stuff. give credit where its due - Alyra communicating with MANY teams for SPECIFIC games to put up patch notes, suggest fixes, moderate forums, put up event info, and maintain DB's for all those games is a LOT more work than it looks.
ever seen the Vault or Stratics networks? they provide more info, new info, wiki's and all kinds of things because they have DECENTRALISED staffing (staff for each board, webbie in the ring) where NC has one such team for all its games.
What are you talking about.. LOL.
Your clueless. NCSoft has a staff for each game, duh.
For example, CuppaJo works as the Community rep for Tabula Rosa. Its not Alyra.
For Guild Wars, its Andrew Patrick, who also happens to not be Alyra. (In fact, hes a guy! WOW! the other two are girl's)
It's one thing to make mistakes, everyone makes mistakes, but it's quite another to brag about something like you always do, when in the end you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about...
I'm really gonna enjoy your posts and Drakkos' ones even more from now on :cool:
It's one thing to make mistakes, everyone makes mistakes, but it's quite another to brag about something like you always do, when in the end you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about...
I'm really gonna enjoy your posts and Drakkos' ones even more from now on :cool:
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the ... hell ?
where did i brag about anything? i am a proud legit player and RolePlayer, that is all. i have no in-game accomplishments to speak of and neither do you. you own no boss jewelery, you have no subclass, you arent noble, you dont even PVP worth your weight in beans.
nor do i!
now, what was the point of mocking me when i was ADMITTING to un-knowingly post false information then EDITING out what i didnt want posted?
now, what was the point of mocking me when i was ADMITTING to un-knowingly post false information then EDITING out what i didnt want posted?
Woah, you're a slow thinker now arent you ?
I'm just making fun of you, like i do with Drakkos, cos i enjoy watching the ridiculous reactions of both of you :D
But now i think i'm gonna stop cos it's not enough fun anymore, it's too easy, there's no real challenge anymore :p
now, what was the point of mocking me when i was ADMITTING to un-knowingly post false information then EDITING out what i didnt want posted?
Woah, you're a slow thinker now arent you ?
I'm just making fun of you, like i do with Drakkos, cos i enjoy watching the ridiculous reactions of both of you :D
But now i think i'm gonna stop cos it's not enough fun anymore, it's too easy, there's no real challenge anymore :p
Now with the insults ? See ? I told you it was too easy :D
So, ok, from now on i'm just gonna ignore every post made by you & Drakkos, i've had my fun with you guys, thanx for that, time to move on and stop polluting the boards...
Besides, the both of you dont really need me to make ridiculous posts anyway :)
ebay more clues. youre good at that it seems. your highly intelligent french butt just derailed its own thread trying to flame me but failing oh-so-miserably.
i expected as much. youre french. you start stuff you cant finish.
Sure he spoke quickly, but he did admit it and edit it out quickly too so as not to give anyone false idea's/impression's.
[censored], I just gave the box of fries credit. /Slit
doesn't matter much anyway. his post is quoted in the next one (yours)
Also GuildWars has multiple community (relation) managers. There's Gaile Gray and Andrew Patrick, Gaile does PvE and Andrew does PvP