There's a suggestion to make Hindemith a euro-time server. Actually, Hindemith's population is mostly european. I can't judge for the whole server, but the majority of hi-end players, who actually do sieges and oly, live in euro time zone. Such clans and allies as FS, Divine, DarkSun, BraveHeart, Imperivm, GDL, Titans, Revelations, Ignis consist of like 90% europeans, and there are lots of europeans in Genesiz, IN, Armada, Agony... The clans and allies listed above have been controlling ALL Hinde castles for at least last 2 years with very few exceptions.
But oly starting at 3a.m. everyday and sieges/manor at 5a.m. are very disappointing if you do it regulary. That's why we have only 30-40% online at sieges.
So let's discuss.
I can't find how to make a vote here, so lets just post your agree/disagree/doesn't matter, and some more words if you like.
I vote yes for this.
As was said the population of Hindemith is mostly european, many of the NA players left or are about to leave as well to other servers.
i disagree to making it full euro server, while the "top" clans may be half r more euro thats not taking into account the clans that arent on your war list :P i understand your pov and i agree the hours should be pushed back some but making it full euro imo woud be unfair to the NA players who played here under the understanding this is a NA server
btw every euro player wants his/her server to be euro :P
btw every euro player wants his/her server to be euro :P
There are 8 (!) light NA servers and 2 full euro servers. Adding a 3rd euro server will lead to 8 very light NA servers and 3 full euro servers. Bad idea imho.
So far we ve had requests for Hindemith - Gustin - Lionna and Devianne becoming Euro servers.
What all of you fail to understand is NCsoft said they will open a *new* euro server.
Besides, the assertion that most of server x are Europeans is kinda irrelevant. Even if 10 people on NA time play there they will need to make provisions for them, cause after all all these servers were NA time when you guys joined them
Teon also was an NA server for first 6 months.
When most of top clans were established, there weren't any euro servers at all.
The problem is you cannot transfer a clan to another server. You will loose clan hall, clan warehouse and all clan points you ever earned; this is like ~60k clan points for my clan.
I have much respect for our euro brothers that play L2, yet I am torn on the subject of converting an existing server, no matter which it is, to make it Euro time or make a new one. Yes I understand all aspects of what is going on. Euro's have to seige and oly in middle of night and that its not always the easiest decision to transfer a clan of people and lose the clan lvl, castle, CH and what not. But you started the game knowing all this and accepted the terms as they were when you bought the game. I understand that as a whole there are ALOT of euros that play, but that doesnt give them the right to demand ea day that one or another of the NA servers to be converted to Euro times. What will come of the less than populated servers, that shouldnt be an issue for discussion, they have said that they are going to make another euro server to fill your needs. If they decide to consolidate the NA servers, so be it, they are still NA servers. It's either transfer or keep playing the game you have since you started. Either way, it wouldnt be fair to the server, change it and all the NA will be mad, if you make a new one, the euro's will be mad for having to transfer.
I guess I stay in the "minority" then, I actually think Ill like my server a little better than before with alot of the idiots that have quit or transfered off recently. If they merge me, so be it, but i think our server(Seighardt) will be a better place for awhile.
Across over 150 players in my alliance on Hindemith I would say at least 70% are from the US and Canada.
So no thank you.
I do like the idea of NCSoft opening up a server in Russia, however, and letting DHI, FS, GDL, Ignis and all the others we often can't even communicate with move to a place where they can play together with more language overlap.
The Europeans in my alliance (Danish, British, Dutch, and Portuguese) honestly seem to enjoy the connection with the NA people and they play our times because it better fits their schedules.
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Here's another thought... people transfering to Hindemith are most likely NOT going to be Euro players. The Euro players will either wait until Teon/Franz are free or wait for the new Euro server.
So Besides the good North American populatioin, Hindemith will be gaining more North Americans.
Across over 150 players in my alliance on Hindemith I would say at least 70% are from the US and Canada.
So no thank you.
I do like the idea of NCSoft opening up a server in Russia, however, and letting DHI, FS, GDL, Ignis and all the others we often can't even communicate with move to a place where they can play together with more language overlap.
The Europeans in my alliance (Danish, British, Dutch, and Portuguese) honestly seem to enjoy the connection with the NA people and they play our times because it better fits their schedules.
/reject
Agreed.
IF Hinde was made a euro server, the only way I would continue to pay the $15/month for my 3 accounts was if I got a free transfer, with everything included, for 2 characters off each account. You know, since they will have screwed up the server I've played on for **** near 4 years.
So the people that don't actually participate in sieges and olympiad don't want the times altered for sieges and olympiad?
gotcha.
I doubt any of you even checked to see what those times would be changed to.
I think there are many people who want to participate in Olympiad when we get there. Keep in mind, not everyone has the time to put in the game that others have.
As far as sieges, again, I'm sure more of us would love to participate. However, at the moment Hindemith has a somewhat interesting political situation and getting the forces to take a castle is just not realistic at this time.
In the end it is a North American Server. Advertised as a North American Server. And though I more than understand why someone from Europ/Asia might be inconvenienced by Olympiad/Siege times, in the end you made the decision to come to a North American Server (or, if Teon wasn't available when you came then you just made the choice to play a game based in NA with NA event times).
So why Should they change? Not to minimize how much of a pain in the neck it is for non-NA people but if the NA people have come here so that when they do siege, go to the Olympiad and manor, they can do it at times that are reasonable and advertised.
Granted, one can say that the Euro/Asian people have had to put up with atrocious times but that's NC's fault for not having the forsight to add a Euro Server at the start, have transfers when those servers were added and then, once server transfers were added, not make the appropriate arrangements to accomodate all of their Euro customers.
Because essentially what is then being said is that they have advertised up front a server with NA event times but now we are going to just change it. I'm not convinced it is more Euros because quite frankly no one has really brought up those numbers. And though I know plenty of Euro players I know more NA players, and quite a few of them. So it's hard to buy into the idea that there are more Euro/Asian players.
So yeah, if I'm the only NA player left and everyone else was Euro, I'm not going to be a jerk and say "don't do it".
But when I see quite a few NA players, all with their own agendas in the game, I can't really see why it should be changed.
Mostly European? Well, most of the people I know are U.S./Canadian and there are many of them.
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+1.
I agree. I guess the Euro's think they are the ONLY ones on the server because when they are playing, we are at work. When WE are playing, they are SLEEPING.
I keep hearing this, but I sure don't see it. When I play weekday evenings, it's almost all Canadian and US players. On the weekends, we blend in with the Euro's during the morning, early afternoon hours.
I certainly would not say they make up the majority, since what I have personally seen is mostly US/CAN players.
Mostly European? Well, most of the people I know are U.S./Canadian and there are many of them.
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+1.
I agree. I guess the Euro's think they are the ONLY ones on the server because when they are playing, we are at work. When WE are playing, they are SLEEPING.
I keep hearing this, but I sure don't see it. When I play weekday evenings, it's almost all Canadian and US players. On the weekends, we blend in with the Euro's during the morning, early afternoon hours.
I certainly would not say they make up the majority, since what I have personally seen is mostly US/CAN players.
To further that point, I was home sick for two days last week. So, I decided, what the heck, I'll do a little logging.
My first reaction was "who the heck are these people!" as I didn't recognize all the new banners/clans/alliances and yet didn't see many of the banners/clans/alliances that I normally saw.
I am pretty sure Hinde has more euro than US players, but not by a huge margin. If you look at those current players/server diagrams (link has been posted a few times now, I am sure you know which one I mean), you can see that Hinde has its "peak" during Euro play times. The curve is actually quite similar to the Teon/Franz ones, just waaaaay less players overall, of course. But the difference between euro and US play times is not so big that you can say that Hinde clearly is a euro server. It is a mix of euro/US, with a little bit more euro.
I am pretty sure Hinde has more euro than US players, but not by a huge margin. If you look at those current players/server diagrams (link has been posted a few times now, I am sure you know which one I mean), you can see that Hinde has its "peak" during Euro play times. The curve is actually quite similar to the Teon/Franz ones, just waaaaay less players overall, of course. But the difference between euro and US play times is not so big that you can say that Hinde clearly is a euro server. It is a mix of euro/US, with a little bit more euro.
Ok, well that at least is an explanation I can buy.
I'm for making fiew American servers Europe. Since as we all know,EU servers are heavy allmoust all the time,while NA ari usualy light. Rare normal for Bartz. Why the hell we need another new server? Ppl will transfer there and again - 3 heavy EU servers, dead NA servers. 10 servers are just fine. Just need to balance NA and EU so no extra heavy and dead.
/agree with AuCu
IF Hinde was made a euro server, the only way I would continue to pay the $15/month for my 3 accounts was if I got a free transfer, with everything included, for 2 characters off each account. You know, since they will have screwed up the server I've played on for **** near 4 years.
/cosigned (but I've only been on for a year...) :-P
Across over 150 players in my alliance on Hindemith I would say at least 70% are from the US and Canada.
So no thank you.
I do like the idea of NCSoft opening up a server in Russia, however, and letting DHI, FS, GDL, Ignis and all the others we often can't even communicate with move to a place where they can play together with more language overlap.
The Europeans in my alliance (Danish, British, Dutch, and Portuguese) honestly seem to enjoy the connection with the NA people and they play our times because it better fits their schedules.
/reject
Agreed.
IF Hinde was made a euro server, the only way I would continue to pay the $15/month for my 3 accounts was if I got a free transfer, with everything included, for 2 characters off each account. You know, since they will have screwed up the server I've played on for **** near 4 years.
/agree 3.5 yrs here but hey ..... A solution might be move siege times to afternoon in NA times which would make things later evening in Europe. Oly I couldn't say because most people work during the days and its not possible for them to be home to compete .... /quit job for L2 :P ... but sieges makes sense as it is the weekends. imo
Devianne, much like Hinde is an Euro server as well. IMO NCsoft should change these both servers to Euro (US east-coast location is good enough for a pretty low ping around 100) and give "free migration" for non-Euro players to the US servers...
About the launch of Luna... I think the week after it's launch, it'll be compeltely full, like Franz and Teon. I'm in doubt to transfer there by now...
Big NO. I wouldn't have come from Gustin to Hinde if it had been Euro. If they decide to go Euro, I would hope they would offer a FULL transfer of all characters on my accounts. And I mean FULL transfer of everything that I have on all my toons. Euro people knew this was NA server when they joined. Thank you and GG.
Umm.... how about Euros move to euro servers if the time is an issue? I mean, i guess i do know 1 or 2 euro people on hindemith... but they dont seem to mind it. I see now that there must be more.
Umm.... how about Euros move to euro servers if the time is an issue? I mean, i guess i do know 1 or 2 euro people on hindemith... but they dont seem to mind it. I see now that there must be more.
not everybody want to throw extra €30 / toon to move to another server, especially when a couple owns 2 accounts each and have on each account 1 toon.
Some servers are dying ( if not already ) and imho NCsoft need to do something on that or will they let those servers bleed dry ? :(
Umm.... how about Euros move to euro servers if the time is an issue? I mean, i guess i do know 1 or 2 euro people on hindemith... but they dont seem to mind it. I see now that there must be more.
not everybody want to throw extra €30 / toon to move to another server, especially when a couple owns 2 accounts each and have on each account 1 toon.
Some servers are dying ( if not already ) and imho NCsoft need to do something on that or will they let those servers bleed dry ? :(
And to that end, why would U.S. players want to also throw 50.00 to move to another server if such a thing were to occur?
lol it's better make completely new server, gather money from euro players, then close down 2-3 of NA servers because of no population. i mean number of servers decreased after server merger process. where is some logic? they're ncsoft. let's them do their business.
Umm.... how about Euros move to euro servers if the time is an issue? I mean, i guess i do know 1 or 2 euro people on hindemith... but they dont seem to mind it. I see now that there must be more.
not everybody want to throw extra €30 / toon to move to another server, especially when a couple owns 2 accounts each and have on each account 1 toon.
Some servers are dying ( if not already ) and imho NCsoft need to do something on that or will they let those servers bleed dry ? :(
And to that end, why would U.S. players want to also throw 50.00 to move to another server if such a thing were to occur?
the most US. players moved already to other servers or they waiting to be 80 before moving. :eek:
if u dont wanna pay for transfer then dont complain about timezones.
if 30 euros or 50 dolares is more important for u instead of having fun on better timezone/more populate server u have no right and cry about current state of servers.
ppl cry when was no transfer avaible.now ppl cry that is avaible but they dont wanna transfer.
ncsoft gave u option.take it or [censored]
In actuality this is a moot point. The technical complexity and potential for data integrity problems or even the logistics of doing this outweigh such a request.
NCSoft recognized added demand and activity in Europe and created Luna. It's the most sensible solution from a business and technical sense. Offering free transfers for a limited time to a limited demographic would be fair, IMO.
if u dont wanna pay for transfer then dont complain about timezones.
if 30 euros or 50 dolares is more important for u instead of having fun on better timezone/more populate server u have no right and cry about current state of servers.
ppl cry when was no transfer avaible.now ppl cry that is avaible but they dont wanna transfer.
ncsoft gave u option.take it or [censored]
where do you see me cryng? im happy on the server im on, just throwing my 2 cents in, not everyone have support from mommy and daddy tho :p
if u dont wanna pay for transfer then dont complain about timezones.
if 30 euros or 50 dolares is more important for u instead of having fun on better timezone/more populate server u have no right and cry about current state of servers.
ppl cry when was no transfer avaible.now ppl cry that is avaible but they dont wanna transfer.
ncsoft gave u option.take it or [censored]
lol so dumb point of view. i'm glad to give them my 30 euros to move my char to a european server. but *THEY DON'T* want give me such option...
Personally i would settle for GMT-3, as opposed to the GMT-6 we have now. Seiges would be easier, the Euros would get to play some of the Oly's without having to stay up past 2am, we would all get cheaper GK ports, and the events that start when we are in bed would be more welcome.
possessionne maybe next time transfer on 1st week.
not my fault that u prefer to wait for whatever reason
it took a week for my bank to make a credit card for me as i didn't have any... i don't know why ncsoft made unavailable another payment options which were in their demonstration materials before this services went live. i clearly remeber some e-money service was that time, but some time late they just removed it... why am i talking something to you, if you think i'm guilty for whatever you can imagine. :)