NC is famous for their choice of SA's. Light is their flagship SA. Some more excelent choices are critical poison on fists or critical drain on blunts. GJ NC.
NC is famous for their choice of SA's. Light is their flagship SA. Some more excelent choices are critical poison on fists or critical drain on blunts. GJ NC.
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Yes, Health would be the best option. As long as mage weapons have Acumen, every melee weapon should get Focus and Health as an option.
He was complaining about leveling though. Health doesn't do much for that.
Health SA is easily the best SA for a tyrant in my opinion.
If you even try bison 60% with haste SA, you can't take VR of any kind (nm/boss jewel/SE vr/Dance of Vampire) or no matter what, you can't keep bison on. I'm referring to equipping a Conversion SA to drop HP to 60% then putting the fists back on btw. With haste or focus, it puts you at 60% HP. With Health, it puts you on 48%. From 48% it's much, much easier to drop your HP the rest of the way to 30%, and do it with a huge margin of safety. (3kish HP even with just bless the body)
So strategically, not putting Health on fists really is a problem in my eyes.
Haste barely adds anything to your skill reuse timer. I don't like it that much. I'm probably just going to OE splinters or grinders.
Oh and tyrant kills the fastest of any 1vs1 melee class; they don't level too slow after level 68. The dps is higher than an archer, the only problem is running from point A to point B to get in range. In places like Pagans, it's quite nice to level a tyrant.
Not when most of your dmg comes from skills in PVP. Only good thing about Haste is that it makes the reuse faster, but still, larger HP pool means you will survive longer. And without PVE, there is no PVP.
Critical drain is on 2h swords too (guardian sword). 8 hp drain on a critical. Isn't it great?
No wonder no one wants to buy my 60% guardian sword recipe:-( And I killed 22727 mobs to get it!
i dont think u would use bison in pvp.. if s80 is meant for pvp, then u want haste or focus.
dont u want focus?!
Trust me, if a tyrant get smacked low enough and hp elixir is refresing, you GLADLY switch to bison. +30% Patk = more skill dmg = weeee. Hell if you get kicked to 30% hp and can pot spam cp back to survive for a bit, you are in heaven steam rolling anything you get close to with 460-500 crit rate, 1k atk spd and pushing out 1-2.5k dmg on crits.
And I must agree with the OP, rsk. evasion? Rsk. haste? Haste? In any scenario I would consider them crap past lvl 68, let alone 80+ lol
i dont think u would use bison in pvp.. if s80 is meant for pvp, then u want haste or focus.
dont u want focus?!
I do use bison. It's better to kill the target before they can react, and what better way than with 30% bison+zealot? By the time you're on radar range, you should be able to zip right in and go for the kill. With Health SA, I do it with ~3k CP? I forget but also with ~3k HP, so it's not unsafe at all. Even if I can only do 60% bison, I'm always as 5k-6k HP and full CP. Those numbers are just with btb, nothing fancy. If I get a prophecy or vitality, it's a hell of a lot more HP.
There is nothing unsafe about bisoning in pvp....it's far less safe to simply be an archer/dagger/healer with full HP/CP than it is to be a tyrant with bison up. You're kinda losing damage if you don't bison. Thought I guess puma really isn't that bad either. My point is mostly just that unless you completely gutted your HP through -con and not getting Health SA, you can easily bison it up without a problem.
Focus on the other hand does virtually nothing for a tyrant in pvp. All you accomplish is slightly higher crit when the only time you should use regular hits in pvp is when you're at 30%- HP....which already has so much critical, you don't need the additional when compared to the HP bonus of Health.
If you ask me, if you dont want to bison in pvp at all, you should have made a Gladiator. They're better for skill spam.
I'm not saying Focus or Haste are useless. There are uses for them. But this tyrant really won't use any other SA than Health.
Edit: Oh yeah, for those who don't know, bison adds a crazy amount of P.Atk. It boosts skill damage noticeably.
Critical drain is on 2h swords too (guardian sword). 8 hp drain on a critical. Isn't it great?
No wonder no one wants to buy my 60% guardian sword recipe:-( And I killed 22727 mobs to get it!
Crt drain might be worthless. However, HP drain isn't. It's added 3% vr. its like having VR 3 with out having vr 3 that stacks.
Good SA for a dwarf soloing with out a SE/WC.
However the SA's for s80 dagger aren't that great. 3 options: focus, evasion, crt dmg. and the new icarius weapons will have basically the same SA's. No more haste, no health :( option for daggers.
but those kamaels can have health, unfair imo.
If tyrants, glads, tanks, destroyers, soul breakers/bzk, bd (S duels), sws (swords), dwarfs (blunts), OL's, WC's can have health as a SA option why are daggers excluded from the rest of the melee's?
is rsk evasion really that bad a option? for PvE id think it is, but PvP? how much lower evasion do a Tyrant have compared to say a dagger or archer of equal level? (80 ofc in this case)
@yatta7, Because you will have 25% less HP which means you're alot lower with your 30% HP and run the risk of 1-shot from Backstab more easily.
@Xalya, well, as a large number of Tyrants have gone the +STR, +CON, -DEX way, the evasion is far wose. It is also a Rsk SA which means it is very situational.
@Xalya, well, as a large number of Tyrants have gone the +STR, +CON, -DEX way, the evasion is far wose. It is also a Rsk SA which means it is very situational.
but in any case they want to be able to use Bison, if they went for dex with bison +rsk evasion wouldnt that be a decent option for PvP?
STR = Skill crits. More CON = More HP, CP and Stun resist. Going +DEX has big negatives cos you lose either STR or CON, which are the two most important stats.
@Xalya, well, as a large number of Tyrants have gone the +STR, +CON, -DEX way, the evasion is far wose. It is also a Rsk SA which means it is very situational.
but in any case they want to be able to use Bison, if they went for dex with bison +rsk evasion wouldnt that be a decent option for PvP?
I don't think it's a good idea to do that. Most everyone can spam skills nonstop except like dwarfs and TKs. Usually if they weren't using skills at first, they start once they see a miss or two.
Actually I'm whining for pleasure because i'm working hard to lvl to 78, and i'm afraid i'll never be lvl80. But anyways it shocks me to see this unbalance.
If archers get focus/cheapshot in their bows, and mages acumen in their staffs? Why can't we have at least health (wich I prefer) or focus?
I've just seen the new S80 weapons in the site library. I'm still stunned abut the crappy SA the fists got (Rsk Haste, Risk evasion and Haste).
If Tyrant is one of the most difficuld classes to lvl why these SA? Other S80 weapons got good SA. NCSoft just want even less high lvl GK?
At least to me this is not a good motivation to even think to lvl my GK to 80.
Where do you get the idea that Tyrants are one of the most difficult to level? :confused:
@yatta7, Because you will have 25% less HP which means you're alot lower with your 30% HP and run the risk of 1-shot from Backstab more easily.
@Xalya, well, as a large number of Tyrants have gone the +STR, +CON, -DEX way, the evasion is far wose. It is also a Rsk SA which means it is very situational.
Double Posted, and Melee XP just as good as Archers/Mages do on IoP.
Haven't tried a tyrant yet but i'll bet all my gear they are easier than an OL to lvl they don't get the automatic "buzz off wheres your clan at " response you get when clan isn't on and friends are higher than your lvl to party with when your an OL.
And speaking of fists why don't OL get fist skills when our very 1st weapon is fists so what fist SA would work on one if ya decided to use fists again after using focus daggers to lvl?
Even though thanks to NCSOFT not distributing time cards to Game Stop anymore i might be quiting game so question is irelevant i'm still curiouse to know.
I play a 53 LVL OL and lvl 80 if i keep playing should be able to get it by the time lineage 2 is down to 1 server and hardly anyone playing cuz rest of ya went to lineage 3.
And speaking of fists why don't OL get fist skills when our very 1st weapon is fists so what fist SA would work on one if ya decided to use fists again after using focus daggers to lvl?
Why doesn't dwarves get dagger mastery? they also get a dagger when they start.
classes at lv1 has nothing to do with classes at lv40+
I don't really think any fist SA will work well with an OL. maybe Focus or Haste.