I think I know how would a SK grind for XP in either group or solo. They use either a dual for maximum damage killing easier mobs or shield+sword. No brainer here, I think.
But what about someone who's rolling a PR. I've heard that its better to go Mortal Blow(strike?) all the way till 40, using daggers or maybe even duals for faster leveling(is this true?). After 40 I've also heard that using dagger is still more effecient(time and money, though time is my only concern for now).
What I've read that a PR should go dagger/sword up until level 52 then they can start using a bow. Is this because leveling in a bow is slow?
I tried a bow but quickly turned it into a dagger, I must say Dagger is great (low C atleast), I really wasn't ready to pay massive amounts of Adena for Shots and Arrows (C arrows are the most expensive in game I believe @_@, unless maybe you can craft em yourself)
I'd have to join the Dagger till 52, or Dagger till high C grade :)
I did bow from NG - its def more expensive, almost prohibitly so now (when i started SS was ALOT cheaper). The problem is that until B grade Bows use something like 10SS per shot and dont give lots more damage (and so XP)/time than a dagger. At Bgrade bows start to use lots less SS (but the jump in cost of B+ SS versus NG/D/C SS is noticeable.
The big challenges for me for PR are/were:
weight limit ( i never tried Ava light on a PR) but Maj light weight increase is great as i can carry what i need (CP pots/A SS/Arrows) for a good period of xp time.
CON CON CON - big issue for me as a PR is the getting stunned and/or getting hit by mobs when i have crappy HP. Hence by picking your mobs carefully and kiting you dont let the mobs catch you. Tho dagger with VR/Haste is a good fast way to level and cheaper imo..
bottom line is i rolled an archer to play and archer - not to get A grade ASAFP and then get a bow and own :) but that's just me :P
i poled from 20 to 60, but since the pole nerf in c4, it's not so funny. I'd go necro/cata and use dagger with vicious stance up, hex and use the bow to pull mobs to yourself. With only se buffs you should be able to handle a room of green mobs on a pr for quite a bit into 5x
After 52, bop /cs, plated leather set and +4 str, +4 dex -8 con. If you have access to focus and dw buffs then you can kill anything in FP before it gets to you for the most part.
After 52, bop /cs, plated leather set and +4 str, +4 dex -8 con. If you have access to focus and dw buffs then you can kill anything in FP before it gets to you for the most part.
True - but there's that fun situation where you shoot a Shaman and he summons 2 Tigers to come get you as well. I don't think even with the above setup shooting them down is in the bag.
They don't summon anything. There are 2 different types of those orc shamans in FP. One which does nothing when damaged(except aggroing ofc), and one which transforms into a tiger when taking damage.
Was going to say, I killed stuff there for a LONG time and don't remember anything summoning tigers. They transformed to tigers, but never saw them summon any extra mobs.
They don't summon them like a spell-summon. They summon them like call them to attack you from nearby. This is why it's important to kill Tigers from an area first before you kill the Shamans.
It's different from group-agro, these will come to the aid of the Shaman from further away. I spent like 5 months in FP doing this recently. The transforming Shaman can and do pull Tigers toward you (in the circular valley area and up top toward giant's cave also).
This calls for like a similar test I did when Spudnik claimed the Spiteful Soul groups at doom hills to be social with the Doom mobs...
I grinded 52 - ~60 there, hunting for Kail's coins and don't remember anything like what you describe. You could be right though, since there are other mobs with a far longer social aggro range than normal, like the Hames orcs in Blazing Swamp. Off to do some testing!
edit: I give up on the testing, too many **** bots there, couldn't find any live tigers to test with ><
Tiger - tiger, they have a normal social radius. Shaman transformed into tiger, however, will " call " any tigers that are within x4 the normal radius.
The x4 statement is made up by me and it's only an approximation. Their range is huge anyhow.
Tiger - tiger, they have a normal social radius. Shaman transformed into tiger, however, will " call " any tigers that are within x4 the normal radius.
The x4 statement is made up by me and it's only an approximation. Their range is huge anyhow.
This person is correct.
When a Shaman transforms into a tiger, the regular tigers are social with it and the aggro range is a great deal larger larger than normal which may have given the illusion that the transformed shaman "summons" other mobs to its aid.
My settings;
lv1-20: Composit Bow + Hard Leather Set
lv20-44: Light Crossbow + Manticore Set
lv44-55: Eminence Bow/Cheap Shot + Plated Leather Set
lv55-62 (current lvl): Bow Of Peril /Cheapshot + PL Set
Gonna stick with PL Set until I get my Maj LA Set, which should be in about 2 months at this rate. W/ Maj LA set I am loosing 120P.Atk
A good Dye setup is +2DEX-2STR when you have PL Set, haven't tested it on PTS yet while wearing Maj LA Set, but it's a common tip I get from lv7x Phantom Rangers.
Personally I never used a dagger to level up. Having the right buff setup you can even hunt without shots (herbs, till lv37 u got haste w/ newbie buffs). Also get yourself Greater Compressed Soulshot Packages, it helps alot to keep 1k SS with you for the weight of only 500/600.
Why would you take away from your str...the entire point of the PR class is to hit like a frieght train and taking away from str defeats that purpose. If you wanted to be a high dex low str archer you should have rolled an SR....
ok, enough of the rant. I agree with the last poster with the exception of 1 point. if you can not tell what that is, please get glasses.
As I said, it's a common tip I got from end-game PR's at Franz. Haven't tested it so dunno if it suits my playstyle. I agree with you rather go +2STR-2CON even with PL Set to really hit like a freight train.
And I think you disagree with the non-shot usage ^^; I have to admit I always hunted 3 levels below my own level (green mobs) to do this w/ EE buffs and herbs.
As I said, it's a common tip I got from end-game PR's at Franz. Haven't tested it so dunno if it suits my playstyle. I agree with you rather go +2STR-2CON even with PL Set to really hit like a freight train.
And I think you disagree with the non-shot usage ^^; I have to admit I always hunted 3 levels below my own level (green mobs) to do this w/ EE buffs and herbs.
No he's disagreeing about the tat setup I'd say. And rightly so.
The best tat setup EVER for lvling a PR....that with a PL set and you can 1-2 shot your way til AT LEAST 60 (I say that from experience because I always wind up perma red at 60 on my PR's...had 4 of them so far...)
Yes, but the thread says "Grind Setting" looks like they are wanting a good setup for grinding out lvls, which the best is going to be the -9 con build (con not really needed in PvE)
My settings;
lv1-20: Composit Bow + Hard Leather Set
lv20-44: Light Crossbow + Manticore Set
lv44-55: Eminence Bow/Cheap Shot + Plated Leather Set
lv55-62 (current lvl): Bow Of Peril /Cheapshot + PL Set
Gonna stick with PL Set until I get my Maj LA Set, which should be in about 2 months at this rate. W/ Maj LA set I am loosing 120P.Atk
A good Dye setup is +2DEX-2STR when you have PL Set, haven't tested it on PTS yet while wearing Maj LA Set, but it's a common tip I get from lv7x Phantom Rangers.
Personally I never used a dagger to level up. Having the right buff setup you can even hunt without shots (herbs, till lv37 u got haste w/ newbie buffs). Also get yourself Greater Compressed Soulshot Packages, it helps alot to keep 1k SS with you for the weight of only 500/600.
i approve this except the dye, +5str-5con because dex is near to useless on an archer and str is all that matters. get maj at 61 or if you re beginner and poor stay in PL set for soloing, and get a BW light for cata parties, +4 bw light is really beefy armor if you can t afford maj, more pdef than maj light, lot of mdef and lot of con, and casting speed bonus is sweet in cata melee parties for hexing mobs. hf.
i approve this except the dye, +5str-5con because dex is near to useless on an archer and str is all that matters. get maj at 61 or if you re beginner and poor stay in PL set for soloing, and get a BW light for cata parties, +4 bw light is really beefy armor if you can t afford maj, more pdef than maj light, lot of mdef and lot of con, and casting speed bonus is sweet in cata melee parties for hexing mobs. hf.
yup totally agree.. at least u can change for +3str-3con +2dex-2con (DEX is VERY important for all Archer, for exp too)
Btw i'm in Doom Light and BOP+3CS and i'm exping at lvl 56 in Field of Massacre really really good
meaybe in another game but dex is near to useless for every archer in l2. Doom light is a set for daggers, really bad compared to PL or BW on archers. But idc, go -str+dex if you guys enjoy...
P. Atk. +2.7%
MP Regeneration +2.5%
STR -1
CON -2
DEX +3
i don't think is so bad set for archer, it's depend how u want play.. at least BW give p.def (archer never have to do a close fight) c. speed and mana regen.. well i think DOOM LIGHT is more complete for exp/pvp ... ofc that's just my opinion ^^
It is teremed useless because while, yes, it affects all of those things, it really does not affect them enough to be of any real difference for an archer. Archers will kill ALMOST anything in PvE before it reaches them anyway, so extra dex has no point in grinding.
Got 2/4 of my Maj Set done now (Helmet, Gauntlets, gonna unseal tomorrow to get the Armor PDef bonus on the Gauntlets) and moved up to +2DEX-2CON. Gimme another month to collect the full Maj Set ...
Poor? No just no steady income.
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Doom Light on a PR? LOL I tried it once because my friend was on vacation and he didn't needed his Doom Light on his Tyrant. I totally disliked the whole effect. The only good thing on my hot babe was that Doom Light looks much better then PL.
Doom Light gives -1STR but also +2.7% P.Atk which equals +1STR so it will totally balance itself out.
I totally skipped B-grd because I thought all sets sucked compared to PL.
Currently being a Phantom Ranger with full Majestic (didn't took me as long as I thought I would) with +2DEX-2CON +3STR-3CON is faster and more damage output then my trusty PL set. Having almost 2000 P.Atk (+3BoP) with full lv64 PP Buffs is what makes me feel powerful. Time to earn some more adena, so I can exchange my BoP for a great looking Soul Bow.