Hello everyone.
I was wondering if people could advise me a bit about strategies for a bladedancer to successful duel against tanks (SK,TK,Pal,DA) on a 1vs1 basis.
I have been suffering several sore defeats in fun-duels in the past and would like to hear what you can think of.
Oh and by the way please stick to A grade or lower strategies - I don't play end-game and probably never will, so I won't profit from advice like "do dance of medusa". :P
We're not saying BD totally SUCK!! But as Ashley says, some classes are hard if not impossible to beat if the player is present by his keyboard.
I remember one time a BD ganked me while I was browsing forums and resting for MP, he had all my CP gone and 1/3 of my HP. Stun Shot and kite killed him very very fast, I didn't even have a Drac bow at 76 at that time.. :p
You can do very good though if you're smart. Don't know how good demonic blade dance lands, but it'll help. I see many BDs use a drac bow for PVP, and daggers close up. With a bow you can kite and do sweet damage, especially if you manage to obtains some boss jewels. You got OK speed so you can kite certain classes and slow them with freezing strike. Remember your Arrest skill too, very useful.
Best advice I can give, practice practice practice.
You can do very good though if you're smart. Don't know how good demonic blade dance lands, but it'll help. I see many BDs use a drac bow for PVP, and daggers close up. With a bow you can kite and do sweet damage, especially if you manage to obtains some boss jewels. You got OK speed so you can kite certain classes and slow them with freezing strike. Remember your Arrest skill too, very useful.
Hmm so you suggest kiting the tank with a bow? Somehow I thought deflect arrow would make that a hard endeavour.
As for a dagger: according to L2calc I would need a Naga Storm +5 to do more damage than I do with my duals and I just haven't got so much adena - also not for boss jewellery. ^_^
Well but maybe one time I will afford me a bow, just to see if it's that good as all say...
- Neumond
P.S.: Yesterday I defeated a DA 5 levels below me - barely. And a HE one time out of 4. Maybe I will get better in time. ^_^
Maybe we start the other way round. What class does a BD have good chances against, and why (i.e. what strategies/skills/factors make the difference) ?
Following are just my experiences, might be they're all wrong but anyway...
Well atm i find it possible to defeat archers on a decent basis as long as they're my level or below (and i'm in majestic with resist shock), powerbreak, demon, hex, sting, arrest all help (if they run freezing strike). In ct1,5 it will even be easier though you'll have to get a bow for that. (I'm not s grade yet, so that might probably chance then, cause i know they get lethal shots then and stuff).
If you count arbalesters as archers, then they're the exception, that arrow resist debuff they do is a pain, especially cause their stun trap seems to land more then their root trap...
Tried tanks quite a few times, but as mentioned before, my crits tend to do equal or lower damage then my regular hits.
Fought against a necromancer a couple times, but always ended in defeat, the tp stuff he's got is a pain even if you get him to bleed & land pbd on him he'll still outlive you. What i never quite got is why necromancers only use their summon in pvp to absorb damage and just let it stand there instead of also sending it in to attack <<... (sure its slow as hell but melees have to go to the necro to do damage) Oh and well, as far as i know all nukers got fear so yeah, not much that you can do about that.
I tried vs buffers/healers a few times and it just ended up in a semi endless fight with me getting rooted, they getting rid of their poison or bleed and healing up all the arrows i shoot at em.
(and if they got a nuke augment yeah <<....)
In all mentioned situations buffs were equal (clanhall or hiero + selfbuffs) and it was 1v1.
Maybe we start the other way round. What class does a BD have good chances against, and why (i.e. what strategies/skills/factors make the difference) ?
- Neumond
You can beat up on Dwarfs that use Duals and 1 handed Swords. SE, Bishop, you can try EE but they normally just hit return. same with PP they just hit return. SWS should be easy if they don't have uber gear. or a weapon with focus. And SB. :D
Depends what you are talking here, end game with end game buffs, or low A grade? B grade?
Anything from high B to high A. :)
Against the DA that was 5 levels below me I found it was good to do lots of poison/sting/drain health after arresting - 'cause her damage reflect meant I was partly beating up myself. ^_^
Does anyone of you use Conc/Mystic dances in PvP to improve debuffs, poison and drains?
@Ashley
That sounds as if I was a buffer that should try to beat other buffers. :p Well in arena they won't use return at least. ;)
I never tried to fight a SwS, that's a good tip, thanks.
Dwarves will use blunts and stun in PvP, won't they? So with their HP+CP I see little chances *coughs*
ok sorry if I offended any PP or EE/SE out there. I will duel some of you and find out how strong you all are. :)
uhm Ash what class is an "SB"? o.O
Oh and next question: what are my chances against gladis, summoners and orc mystic classes?
I once had a nice 1vs1 against a griefer gladiator and won, although his gear was top A-grade (who knows what level *shrugs*), but people tell me Gladiators were stronger than BDs - so was this guy just bad?
ok sorry if I offended any PP or EE/SE out there. I will duel some of you and find out how strong you all are. :)
uhm Ash what class is an "SB"? o.O
Oh and next question: what are my chances against gladis, summoners and orc mystic classes?
I once had a nice 1vs1 against a griefer gladiator and won, although his gear was top A-grade (who knows what level *shrugs*), but people tell me Gladiators were stronger than BDs - so was this guy just bad?
- Neumond
SB =
Soul Breaker
With their magical abilities and outstanding physical attack power, Soul Breakers possess the ultimate combination of swordsmanship and magic. They are the leaders of the Kamael army. This class is available to both male and female Kamael. They fight using the most ancient Kamael combat style, a deadly mix of swift blade and dark magic.
Playstyle:
This combat style is available to both male and female Kamael. They are the ultimate swordsmen using both the rapier, which is their favored weapon, and magic at the same time. At a close range, they use the rapier attacks. When there are a large number of enemies, or when enemies are at a distance, they use soul-based dark magical attacks. Soul Breakers have unique combat patterns, such as stealing an opponent's magical buffs, and inflicting damage by turning an opponent’s magic against them.
Gladis you can win till they hit 64 and get Duelist Spirit then forget it you can't win.
Summoners are a little Tricky. If they dumb enough PVP in robes Kill the Summoner fast...Root, Sting and Hail Marry them Ignore the Summons. If they have light Armor it's a good chance your going 2 loose. you need to Kill the summon and fast and hard using sting Only once because you need out damage they heals. If your do kill the summons and your still Alive kill the summoner fast before he can resummon or it's Game Over.
OL and WC. If they using Duals and Robes go for it you have good chance of killing them. If they have Robes and a Good Acumen Weapon forget it you already lost. Light or Heavy and a Blunt? That means they can stun. Stun is bad for a BD so just avoid that fight also.
All this will change when you hit 78 mind you. You get a Drak bow with Focus (do your dances first with duals) and a few of the classes you lost 2 will now get own by you.
Also PM Rainy92 here in the forums He's a BD Nobel here on Lionna that's been Hero a Few times and is very good at PVP with his BD. I know he has a lot better tips then I have. ;)
I saw a BD beating Temple knight equal lvl and gear...but this was on c4...dunno try warlord and classes that you can use your mage capabilitys whithout taking damage when you nuke and debuff :P ,i think theres few classes a BD can beat 1vs1, tank classes maybe only TK can lose =very low chance, other tank classes forget, mages(including summoners) forget, but nevertheless i think depending of players maybe you can kill someone that dont know how to pvp :P
I saw a BD beating Temple knight equal lvl and gear...but this was on c4...dunno try warlord and classes that you can use your mage capabilitys whithout taking damage when you nuke and debuff :P ,i think theres few classes a BD can beat 1vs1, tank classes maybe only TK can lose =very low chance, other tank classes forget, mages(including summoners) forget, but nevertheless i think depending of players maybe you can kill someone that dont know how to pvp :P
Yeah.. back in C4, BDs could actually kill something.. nowadays... not that much....although yesterday I ganked 2 HEs (around same lvl)... without much hassle.. Arrest and Hex FTW! ^^
I only fight in arena and fun duels anyway. Any outside PvP would be against a griefer, and for those I fetch all the friends I got anyway. ;)
well here a setup that might you a decent chance vs tank in general some tank class might be easier or harder then other. A friend of my play an lvl 69 BD and in arena and friendly duel she uses two setup - offcourse heavy tallum and crit/haste dual and a mage setup DC robe/Mage weapon with acumen and +wit dye. You basically have to play like a mage most of the part and use robe/acumen weapon setup with mage dance and Blessspiritshot to health drain and poison/slow the tank most important keep your distance or else geting chain stun. make marco setup so u can change armor and weapan quickly and dance melee and do hex-powerbreak and jump to melee setup to do bleed effect- know when to jump back out and go back to mage setup before u get chain stun and die. repeat the process it not really practicle way to pvp as a BD but my friend and this weird mage style setup do very well with tank as long as she can keep her distance and not get chain stun/chain root.
in pvp in castle seige with mage setup and in a mage group you be very suprise how well a BD drain damage can do and you get to stay back and hang with your nuker group:)
again this is only from my seeing how my friend BD play- might not be suitable or work for all other BD.
Just if you see a DA name RedDuke or KnightOfDarkness.......RUN.
I beat redduke in open olympiad on my SD. =D
edit: :( did I mention I got a medusa to land on him and not his cat, so I killed the cat, landed hex 3 times and interupted his TOD?
basically will never be that lucky again so i'll take the 1-0-0. lol.
To be honest? Beating a tank class 1 on 1 is going to be a difficult task. Unless your gear far surpasses the gear of that tank or level. If you are equally geared, equal in level, I would say each of the tank classes have a stronger arsenal to defeat the poor SD :(
And c4 TKs are much different that CT1.5 TKs :confused:
@Neumond. your BD class has changed a lot through l2 and to be honest, your role as a buffer class is becoming more and more apparant as time goes by. That by no means tells you that you can only buff people in PVP, but my suggestion is to really just go out there and try different things and see what works for your play style and what doesn't. I used to solo pvp on my BD all the time just to gain the experience as well as get some really fun videos. Once you do that you will realize that pvp isnt so much class vs class based as much as you think about it. So many other factors go into it, such as position, gear, terrain, supplies that if you only think about the "1 v 1 MRT Duel setting" you're really doing yourself a huge dis-service. That type of pvp i mean... the excitment factor is so pale in comparison to what L2 has to offer. So be bold and don't get frustrated at losses. only think about how you can improve your game and then naturally your skill in the 1v1 setting will increase as a result.
as far as perticulars in dots etc in pvp. i personally dont use them, in small scale pvp, if I am going to put myself in a potentially dangerous situation, I am going to throw up a medusa and attempt to get a key player out of the pvp combat. the worse thing i could do is get killed and not be able to give dances to my fellow party members. I like hex, and Medusa dance, I dont use the rest. I use power break in 1v1 situations. Freezing strike if they are trying to run.
... im sorry but whoever says that archers can beat bd's then the bd they fought against sucks. ive yet to lose a 1v1 or even 1v2 against archers. i laugh when i fight against ppl cus they dont know the true dmg a bd dishes out and they end up eating dirt.
as for tanks i cant really say much cus the only time i fight em is large pvp and never 1v1. tank population is very low in our server and theres only about 3 or 4 high lvl active ones to fight. the stun is the only concern really.
... im sorry but whoever says that archers can beat bd's then the bd they fought against sucks. ive yet to lose a 1v1 or even 1v2 against archers. i laugh when i fight against ppl cus they dont know the true dmg a bd dishes out and they end up eating dirt.
as for tanks i cant really say much cus the only time i fight em is large pvp and never 1v1. tank population is very low in our server and theres only about 3 or 4 high lvl active ones to fight. the stun is the only concern really.
for high level tanks, I would be less concerned with getting stunned and more concerned with getting silenced. Also pdef+shield def+ def buff+ deflect arrow= arrow tickles
... im sorry but whoever says that archers can beat bd's then the bd they fought against sucks. ive yet to lose a 1v1 or even 1v2 against archers. i laugh when i fight against ppl cus they dont know the true dmg a bd dishes out and they end up eating dirt.
as for tanks i cant really say much cus the only time i fight em is large pvp and never 1v1. tank population is very low in our server and theres only about 3 or 4 high lvl active ones to fight. the stun is the only concern really.
for high level tanks, I would be less concerned with getting stunned and more concerned with getting silenced. Also pdef+shield def+ def buff+ deflect arrow= arrow tickles
oh theres no way im gonna try and bow a tank thats for sure. duals for that but its still gonna suck pvping a tank.
... im sorry but whoever says that archers can beat bd's then the bd they fought against sucks. ive yet to lose a 1v1 or even 1v2 against archers. i laugh when i fight against ppl cus they dont know the true dmg a bd dishes out and they end up eating dirt.
as for tanks i cant really say much cus the only time i fight em is large pvp and never 1v1. tank population is very low in our server and theres only about 3 or 4 high lvl active ones to fight. the stun is the only concern really.
for high level tanks, I would be less concerned with getting stunned and more concerned with getting silenced. Also pdef+shield def+ def buff+ deflect arrow= arrow tickles
oh theres no way im gonna try and bow a tank thats for sure. duals for that but its still gonna suck pvping a tank.
unfortunately now the only way one will kill the other is who has the most cp pots. a tanks def will keep it alive but also its lesser dmg will also keep the bd alive. but if we r talking olympiad then tank hands down.
To be honest? Beating a tank class 1 on 1 is going to be a difficult task. Unless your gear far surpasses the gear of that tank or level. If you are equally geared, equal in level, I would say each of the tank classes have a stronger arsenal to defeat the poor SD :(
from 76 to 81 a bd doesnt change much... only thing that will help fight a tank, specifically a DA, would be medusa and the few hp u get from lvling.
look at a tank 76+, every lvl they get something that ups their advantage.
overall bd's do extremely well, especially for a support class
unfortunately now the only way one will kill the other is who has the most cp pots. a tanks def will keep it alive but also its lesser dmg will also keep the bd alive. but if we r talking olympiad then tank hands down.
Lesser damage ha thats funny, my panther alone out damages most people nonetheless me and my panther together, also Hate lock FTW
bow crit the panther and hes dead... so yeah its an inconvenience for a second. and who on earth r u pvpin? C graders? no way teh panther out dmgs most people lol
bow crit the panther and hes dead... so yeah its an inconvenience for a second. and who on earth r u pvpin? C graders? no way teh panther out dmgs most people lol
have you seen the pattk on this thing? even's its mdef is pretty high, although it's p def needs major help :(
bow crit the panther and hes dead... so yeah its an inconvenience for a second. and who on earth r u pvpin? C graders? no way teh panther out dmgs most people lol
have you seen the pattk on this thing? even's its mdef is pretty high, although it's p def needs major help :(
yeah my friend used to play, he was a 76 da so i know what ur talking about, and its def is definitely its weakest point
bow crit the panther and hes dead... so yeah its an inconvenience for a second. and who on earth r u pvpin? C graders? no way teh panther out dmgs most people lol
have you seen the pattk on this thing? even's its mdef is pretty high, although it's p def needs major help :(
yeah my friend used to play, he was a 76 da so i know what ur talking about, and its def is definitely its weakest point
... im sorry but whoever says that archers can beat bd's then the bd they fought against sucks. ive yet to lose a 1v1 or even 1v2 against archers. i laugh when i fight against ppl cus they dont know the true dmg a bd dishes out and they end up eating dirt.
as for tanks i cant really say much cus the only time i fight em is large pvp and never 1v1. tank population is very low in our server and theres only about 3 or 4 high lvl active ones to fight. the stun is the only concern really.
for high level tanks, I would be less concerned with getting stunned and more concerned with getting silenced. Also pdef+shield def+ def buff+ deflect arrow= arrow tickles
oh theres no way im gonna try and bow a tank thats for sure. duals for that but its still gonna suck pvping a tank.